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00:02:40,050\n那我們撇除掉凱凱的案例這確實是一個特例我覺得未來大家要想像的是更多更多的通案而這麼多沒有依靠的兒少他們的替代性照顧這到底是不是國家的責任是地方的責任是中央的責任還是整體地方跟中央必須要承擔的責任這個部分我也想要請部長有所表態因為如果我們不去想這件事情所有的政策我們都會覺得只是為了補這一次的破網\n\n9\n00:02:41,912 --> 00:02:43,354\n這其實就是國家的責任國家是包括地方跟中央的\n\n10\n00:02:57,568 --> 00:03:00,150\n我們很開心聽到部長您說是國家的責任我們在去年有一個質詢我們也跟部長討論到關於社安網的漏洞光是在電腦系統裡面我們就可以看出這個問題\n\n11\n00:03:14,656 --> 00:03:43,186\n部長我跟你分享在頁面的左邊這個綠色藍位的標頭這個是CRC根據CRC公告的中央的網站說相關違反兒少事件必須要公佈姓名的案例右邊是新竹縣也就是說在新竹縣的2022年1月到2024年1月我只是以新竹縣為例在這兩年之間的案例發生在新竹縣衛福部公告23筆可是地方政府公告了41筆\n\n12\n00:03:45,910 --> 00:03:51,425\n這應該是一樣的事情他只是登錄在兩個系統但是為什麼會有這麼大的數字上的落差\n\n13\n00:03:57,257 --> 00:04:13,713\n這部分是因為中央公告的網站跟地方公告的地方不一致那我剛剛有請同仁我們是不是針對那個怎麼樣子來更新怎麼樣子兩邊資料可以隨時聯動這個部分我們在系統上面我們來做進進來做改進\n\n14\n00:04:15,496 --> 00:04:38,424\n應該是說其實去年部長就去年12月部長就已經答應但是我相信部長你一定不知道發生了什麼事情我再跟部長分享其中一個案例我們隨便點進去一個畫面你就會發現每一個上傳到中央這個CRC系統的地方有地方政府他只有上傳一個桌面截圖你按進另外一個事件呢那個地方政府就很認真的把這個案由又寫出來但是有地方政府呢他要公告相關的公文\n\n15\n00:04:39,204 --> 00:04:54,283\n也就是說相關的兒少事件中央並沒有跟地方有一個好的默契到底我們要公告什麼樣的資料供一般民眾查詢因為基本上CRC這個網站是可以供一般民眾查詢那這個問題到底出在哪裡我們之前已經問過\n\n16\n00:04:55,444 --> 00:05:14,249\n那我們來看一下這個是衛福部給我們辦公室的回覆你們說這是你們說的你們說各縣市呢光是公告的位置在網站上不一樣有人放在財閥專區有人放在政府公告有人放在地方政府的最新消息區那甚至在教育部是放在全國課後照顧服務中心資訊網或者是還有實體公布欄\n\n17\n00:05:16,590 --> 00:05:44,926\n也就是說你們認為你們沒有相關權限可以要求地方政府在這些事情上統一所以如果民眾要查詢相關資訊的時候他們必須要自己到各個縣市政府去往海撈證相撈資料撈不出來可是回到CRC你們又沒有規定他們要上傳到CRC甚至公告期間不一致這也是非常嚴重的問題公告後不下架或者是地方政府覺得這個罪很輕我放兩天就下架還是到底要不要定期上架下架這件事情你們也沒有態度\n\n18\n00:05:45,726 --> 00:05:58,116\n好那我們再來看你們告訴我們目前難以執行的原因你們說你們只能定期以行政指導的方法喊請各地方政府通知內部財閥單位要配合到CRC而造法財閥專區登錄案件你們還說跟教育部有關一旦有跨部會職責你們也不能管可是我們發現就有非常多的遺漏啊\n\n19\n00:06:07,423 --> 00:06:21,130\n那所有這些無照經營的脫穎中心虐待小孩的人相關的處罰採取的結果大家就查不到啊那查不到後續到底還能夠做什麼那你們告訴我們說你們必須要修兒少全法才能解決這個問題\n\n20\n00:06:24,290 --> 00:06:37,415\n請理事回應一下,真的只能修法嗎?我們其實研究過,相關的執法細則就可以解決這個問題,真的要等到兒少全法,那不然我們就問,兒少全法什麼時候可以修得完?光是公告這件事情就有這麼大的落差。\n\n21\n00:06:38,642 --> 00:06:54,216\n因為依這個的依法的規定公告是縣市政府要去公告是這個我們都很清楚就在他們的各個業務單位他們去公告那現在我們衛福部西蘭西這個的部分是把大家公告的部分再看怎麼樣子\n\n22\n00:06:55,297 --> 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那我們再來看你們告訴我們目前難以執行的原因你們說你們只能定期以行政指導的方法喊請各地方政府通知內部財閥單位要配合到CRC而造法財閥專區登錄案件你們還說跟教育部有關一旦有跨部會職責你們也不能管可是我們發現就有非常多的遺漏啊\n367423\t381130\t那所有這些無照經營的脫穎中心虐待小孩的人相關的處罰採取的結果大家就查不到啊那查不到後續到底還能夠做什麼那你們告訴我們說你們必須要修兒少全法才能解決這個問題\n384290\t397415\t請理事回應一下,真的只能修法嗎?我們其實研究過,相關的執法細則就可以解決這個問題,真的要等到兒少全法,那不然我們就問,兒少全法什麼時候可以修得完?光是公告這件事情就有這麼大的落差。\n398642\t414216\t因為依這個的依法的規定公告是縣市政府要去公告是 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那我們再來看你們告訴我們目前難以執行的原因你們說你們只能定期以行政指導的方法喊請各地方政府通知內部財閥單位要配合到CRC而造法財閥專區登錄案件你們還說跟教育部有關一旦有跨部會職責你們也不能管可是我們發現就有非常多的遺漏啊\n那所有這些無照經營的脫穎中心虐待小孩的人相關的處罰採取的結果大家就查不到啊那查不到後續到底還能夠做什麼那你們告訴我們說你們必須要修兒少全法才能解決這個問題\n請理事回應一下,真的只能修法嗎?我們其實研究過,相關的執法細則就可以解決這個問題,真的要等到兒少全法,那不然我們就問,兒少全法什麼時候可以修得完?光是公告這件事情就有這麼大的落差。\n因為依這個的依法的規定公告是縣市政府要去公告是 這個我們都很清楚就在他們的各個業務單位他們去公告那現在我們衛福部西蘭西這個的部分是把大家公告的部分再看怎麼樣子\n建立查詢然後再做彙整所以在這個時間點我們會再去看怎麼樣做經濟那我們可能需要在法規這部分就要求說地方政府的公告要在哪個地方公告可能會\n那可不可以有機會在耳哨犬法沒有辦法大修的情況下在三個月內有相關的執法因為我剛剛說了撇除凱凱這個個案假設我是一個一般的媽媽我想要找保姆我想知道這個保姆過去有沒有虐兒的事件我去查CRC嗎還是我要去全台灣22個縣市政府的網站我才能查到某某某他到底有沒有虐兒的事件發生\n我這個部分我們會找再把縣市政府找來因為我覺得剛剛同仁講說縣市政府可能有一些抗議那我覺得他抗議的點可能是在於說同仁他必須在不同的地方登錄是增加他們工作上的一個\n陳培瑜議員\n李慧琼議員\n陳培瑜委員提出這個問題\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.532 --> 00:04.773\n主席\n\n00:13.646 --> 00:38.682\n部長辛苦了我想我們就社安網快速跟部長討論喔就是這一次我想很多大家討論的焦點都在社工身上那我們認識非常多在第一線的社工朋友們或者是我們過往熟悉的老師朋友我覺得有件事情我想要跟部長比較積極的討論當然也許今天時間有限我們必須要後續在辦公室討論其實我相信部長您認不認同我以下要說的這段話\n\n00:39.002 --> 00:39.382\n的確啦,這一個\n\n01:01.092 --> 01:02.233\n加外安置跟照顧系統是不是需要全面檢討?\n\n01:19.107 --> 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