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10:48:44","影片長度":"00:16:01","會議時間":"2024-03-19T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。\n二、3月15日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n三、3月19日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"立法院第11屆第1會期第5次會議","id":"院會-11-1-5","type":"院會","term":11,"sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":5},"date":"2024-03-19","duration":961,"end_time":"2024-03-19T10:48:44+08:00","start_time":"2024-03-19T10:32:43+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":544,"blocks":[["葉委員元之：（10時32分）院長好，請陳建仁院長。"],["主席：請陳院長備詢。"],["陳院長建仁：葉委員早。"],["葉委員元之：院長早。院長，我現在要來爭取一下板橋的建設，因為我們板橋現在要增建第二運動中心。跟院長報告一下，板橋非常特別，總共接近60萬人，所以板橋是全臺灣唯一可以選兩個立法委員的地方，上一次我在國民黨黨團有遇到你，你那時候還不認識我，也不知道我是立委，今天有機會跟您面對面，跟您介紹一下。","板橋因為有兩個立委，所以人數非常多，我們現在也在增設第二國民運動中心，這個運動中心是地方引領期盼的一個運動中心，總共造價接近11億，大家都非常期盼。當初新北市政府說要蓋這個運動中心的時候，前年有跟中央爭取預算，但是一直沒有下文，去年好像又發了兩次文，希望可以跟中央爭取預算，但是又沒有下文，今年又再度爭取預算，但也還是沒有下文，後來因為地方實在是等不及了，所以在3月6號就已經先開工了。因為你也知道，如果晚開工的話，有些工程造價等都會往上漲，所以我想要問院長，總共12億，不曉得中央能不能補助一些，讓地方的財源可以稍微寬鬆一點？"],["陳院長建仁：按照規定，如果在核定補助前就已經開工的，我們是不予補助。"],["葉委員元之：對，不能補助。但是，我剛剛也講了，它實際上在去年就申請兩次，前年也申請了兩次，每一次都一直被打回票，所以它當然沒辦法等了嘛！所以可不可以看在之前也申請很多次的份上，看看有什麼方法可以補助一下？"],["陳院長建仁：我請部長來回答。"],["潘部長文忠：我跟葉委員報告，因為委員……"],["葉委員元之：沒關係啦！院長，因為它實際上要求的補助也不多，我知道現在中央補助，好像也都是補助一、二億，前瞻計畫很多啦！我們看高雄，那個暖市都拿非常多，暖市這幾年來在前瞻計畫我印象當中是拿1,200多億，然後自籌款只要800億，但我們新北市是只有拿900多億，自籌款是1,000多億，其實我們都感覺很不公平啦……"],["潘部長文忠：我跟委員報告，因為……"],["葉委員元之：我現在只是爭取這個選區的運動中心……"],["潘部長文忠：委員，體育署、教育部這邊對新北的體育設施補助其實額度是相當啦！我想可以統計給委員。委員在板橋，知道光板橋第一運動中心，當時辦運的時候其實整個是翻新過，當然現在第二運動中心，以板橋的人口，說實在，我們很願意支持，只是新北在提報的時候其實順位是11；再來，動工這件事情其實我們對全國是一致的啦……"],["葉委員元之：我知道、我知道，我現在沒有在講動工這個事，我的意思是其實之前就申請過，不能再等了，不可能一直等一直等，中央沒給錢我就不動工，這個對成本也會增加，我現在是說能不能中央找一個方法再補助一下，因為畢竟人家並不是都沒來申請就直接動工，是申請了二、三年，這個不知道教育部可不可以？因為也沒有多少錢。"],["潘部長文忠：委員，像這種都是大型的設施，也是要院支持，我們當時……"],["葉委員元之：所以我現在問院長嘛！我不知道為什麼是你來回答，院長……"],["潘部長文忠：對，委員，它不是隨時提，我們就有經費隨時等……"],["葉委員元之：好啦！院長，可不可以？"],["陳院長建仁：我看這樣子啦！第二運動中心既然已經開工了，而且相關的預算也有，未來看裡面的設施或者怎麼樣有需要補助的項目……"],["葉委員元之：用個別項目來申請補助，是不是？"],["潘部長文忠：這比較合適。"],["陳院長建仁：對，比較合適。"],["葉委員元之：好，謝謝院長，到時候我再請體育局，現在他們升格為體育局，準備相關資料來跟院長這邊爭取……"],["陳院長建仁：先瞭解一下，現在整個construction都已經開始的話，就比較困難。"],["葉委員元之：好，謝謝院長。","第二個、我想針對校園安全的問題跟院長討論，因為昨天部長來我們委員會，我也跟他討論了，其實我跟很多基層老師有聊過，他們最需要三件事情，我要跟院長報告一下。","第一件事情是希望有一個中介的常設組織，讓一些高關懷的小朋友離開比如觀護所什麼之類可以先不要進到學校，先到中繼的常態性組織，比如宗教或者是社福等等；第二、還是希望少年隊可以加強跟學校的聯繫，昨天部長是有講少年隊有在做，但是就是不夠，所以才會出現這個狀況，而且我要跟院長講，現在的小朋友跟以前最大不一樣的就是很多小朋友已經被幫派吸收，吸收做什麼呢？吸收做詐騙集團的車手，這是在過去比較沒有發生的，所以有些幫派的小孩以前可能跟幫派沒有那麼頻繁的聯繫，他是屬於某個幫派，但他沒有那麼常的聯繫，但現在因為做詐騙的關係，所以他常常聯繫做車手，很多，你去看很多觀護所關的小朋友，他都是在做車手，所以現在的少年隊真的應該扮演更積極的角色；第三就是我們希望增加校安人員，雖然昨天部長講多設一個人、二個人在學校，他也沒事做什麼之類，我覺得千萬不能夠這樣子講，就像高中，高中有校安人員，很多是退休教官，實際上，你請這些退休教官，這樣子既有的系統裡面在國中編制一、二位，其實就會讓大家覺得相對來說安全。因為今天我質詢的時間也比較有限，所以我直接就三個建議，不知道院長怎麼看？"],["陳院長建仁：我想高關懷個案需要來協助是相當的重要，你剛才講到中繼的這個部分，實際上，因為我本身的教會也有在做這樣的工作，我覺得這確實是很重要，在學校裡面如果要新設置一些人，這些人扮演的角色……"],["葉委員元之：我們一個一個來，比如常設的中繼組織，院長也支持，對不對？院長支持的話，大概教育部什麼時候可以做到這個？常設喔！"],["潘部長文忠：委員，所謂的常設就是本來我們目前在協調的，就是來做，現在要增設的就是有關司法少年，像新北，也有設這一種，我們在合作式的中途班，這個其實都是跟民間團體在合作，但我們現在希望能夠邀請到，也已經在做協調，就是過去有服務協助曝險少年及司法少年的，全國有33個團體，他們也願意來共同，現在在做，希望在3月底我們把這樣建置的計畫確定，然後讓縣市這邊就開始來做協助，我們希望在5月這個類型的中介基地能夠建置好。"],["葉委員元之：你說5月可以完成是不是？那我有個建議，很多老師認為這些飛行少年或是高關懷少年從觀護所出來之後不進學校，直接進中繼組織，但他們不希望全部的人都聚在一起，希望能夠個別輔導，因為如果大家全部在一個中繼組織的話，又會出現一種犯罪大學的狀況，所以有沒有辦法避免我剛剛講的情形？"],["潘部長文忠：我要補充的就是它不會是單一啦！現在我們為什麼說要全國一起來，當然縣市也有建議他們可以在一些公設的單位，我說當然可以，我們目的都一樣，但是設的型態確實可以多元，以新北來說，學生數多，我們需要去照顧、關懷的學生可能也多，就不希望只是單一的據點。"],["葉委員元之：我的問題是不要讓一堆這種從觀護所出來的少年，又把他們全部都聚在一起，讓他們一起學習，這可能也會衍生出別的問題。"],["陳院長建仁：這個就要看這個中繼組織本身的量能，還有它的作法，我所知道的一些……"],["葉委員元之：院長，這個部分你們可以去要求，對不對？你們可以請他們特別注意到這一點，這是老師的心聲。"],["潘部長文忠：委員，這個未來在做合作的時候我們就會在大家彼此合作的條件做一個約束。"],["葉委員元之：反正就是你剛剛講的，5月的時候這個常態性的中介組織就會出現，相關具體的細節辦法到時候再來跟我們討論，好不好？"],["潘部長文忠：可以。"],["葉委員元之：第二個就是有關於我剛剛講的少年隊，能不能加強少年隊的能量？昨天部長有說少年隊跟學校有機制，但我瞭解的是，少年隊就是一個少年隊的警員，它負責很多學校，所以實際上它就會變成一個例行性的工作，但如果你擴編少年隊的機制，然後讓他跟學校更緊密的互動，每個少年隊就可以去關懷那些幫派少年，甚至於關懷那個少年所屬的幫派，然後對幫派有壓制，要求幫派叫那些學生在學校不要作亂，我覺得這個會比較達到校園安全。部長，你昨天有說有在做，但是我真的覺得做得不夠，因為這個牽涉到跨部會，我請院長回答好不好？院長，我剛剛提到這部分院長願意支持嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：其實……"],["葉委員元之：就是少年隊跟學校這一塊，它的人力可以擴編，而且可以常態化。"],["陳院長建仁：因為我們今天質詢的過程內政部沒來，實際上警政署相關的少年隊可以來幫忙，這個我想……"],["葉委員元之：警政署沒來，可是我講的是教育議題。"],["陳院長建仁：對，我同意，所以我會請教育部跟內政部再商量一下，看少年隊的功能怎麼樣讓它發揮，但是警政署本身的人力也是相當的吃緊，我們來看看……"],["葉委員元之：要編預算嘛！因為我們最近來立法院聽到公家機關講最多的理由都是說我們沒有錢、沒有經費，但你們前瞻計畫的錢明明就很多，只是不願意把錢花在我們認為重要的事情上面。"],["陳院長建仁：我想不是，最重要的就是跨部會之間來協調一下，看看少年隊的功能怎麼樣來加強，加強的方式怎麼樣是最好……"],["葉委員元之：院長，這個部分是不是也請部長提一個研究的方案給我們，就是有關於學校跟少年隊怎麼樣更緊密的聯繫。"],["潘部長文忠：我跟委員補充一下，因為在之前整個治安裡面，警政署當時就是有所考量，已經擴充了少年隊，至於相關的人數怎麼樣能夠更加支持學校……"],["葉委員元之：部長，因為時間有限，我的瞭解就是不夠，我剛剛已經跟你講真實狀況，就是一個少年隊的隊員負責很多個學校，所以變成例行性的公事，他沒辦法很深入地去關心這件事情，如果人力增加的話，勢必對這個效果會更好，這是第二件事。","第三件事情，我還是非常強烈建議國中要設校安人員1到2位，不知道這可以嗎？"],["潘部長文忠：委員，我要先澄清一下。"],["葉委員元之：我請院長回答啦！"],["潘部長文忠：不是這個人沒有做什麼事……"],["葉委員元之：部長，我今天不是在委員會，我很難得有機會跟院長講話。院長，你可以請他不要講話嗎？"],["潘部長文忠：我要澄清一下，不是說這個人沒有事做，這個人未來在這個生態裡面，他其實很……"],["葉委員元之：時間暫停一下，院長，我是來總質詢陳建仁院長的……"],["主席：我知道、理解。"],["葉委員元之：不是來質詢部長的。"],["主席：沒問題，請陳院長。"],["葉委員元之：可不可以請部長下去？"],["主席：這樣部長請回。"],["陳院長建仁：沒有關係啦！他留著，我來回答。"],["葉委員元之：不是啦！他一直插話。部長，我很尊敬你啦！可是這個時間，因為是總質詢。"],["主席：那這樣我時間給你暫停，葉委員，時間暫停好不好？"],["葉委員元之：可以請你先下去嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：時間有暫停了啦！我來回答好了。"],["主席：葉委員，時間幫你暫停了，部長對不起，委員請你回座，對不起，謝謝教育部，請陳院長。"],["陳院長建仁：委員，你提的這三個問題其實教育部都有在考量，關於……"]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00:01:57,772\n所以我想要問院長總共12億不知道中央能不能補助一些讓我們地方的財源可以稍微寬鬆一點這按照規定如果已經在核定補助前就開工的我們是不能補助對但是我剛也講了他實際上在去年也申請兩次前年也申請兩次那每一次都一直被打回票所以你說他當然沒辦法等了所以可不可以看在之前也申請很多次的份上\n\n5\n00:01:59,435 --> 00:02:13,309\n對,他有什麼方法可以補助一下?我請部長來回答。因為其實實際上他要求補助也不多啦。我知道現在中央補助好像也都是補助一兩億嘛。那前瞻計畫很多啦。\n\n6\n00:02:14,056 --> 00:02:33,852\n我們看那個高雄啊暖室都拿非常多喔那暖室在這幾年來前瞻計畫他們拿一千我印象當中是拿一千多一千兩百多億嘛然後自籌款只要八百億但我們新北市是我們是只有拿九百多億但是自籌款是一千多億喔其實我們都感覺很不公平啦我現在只是爭取這個選區的這個運動中心對\n\n7\n00:02:36,454 --> 00:02:55,243\n委員這個因為提出交易部這邊對新北的提設施補助其實額度是相當的我想可以統計給委員委員在板橋知道光那個板橋第一運動中那個當時辦運的時候其實整個是麻煩心過那我現在當然第二運動中心以板橋的人口受制在\n\n8\n00:02:55,943 --> 00:03:23,304\n我們很願意支持只是新北在提報的時候其實他排在順位是11再來動工這件事情其實是對全國是一致的我知道我知道我現在沒有在講動工這個事我的意思是說其實之前就申請過那不能再等了不可能是說一直等一直等中央沒給錢我就不動工這個對成本也會增加我現在是說能不能中央找一個方法再補助一下因為畢竟人家並不是都沒來申請就直接動工是申請兩三年\n\n9\n00:03:24,827 --> 00:03:27,788\n那未來看裡面的設施或者怎麼樣有需要補助的項目\n\n10\n00:03:53,996 --> 00:03:59,579\n第二我想針對那個校園安全的問題跟院長討論因為昨天其實部長來我們委員會我也跟他討論那其實我跟很多技能老師有聊過啦其實他們最需要三件事情\n\n11\n00:04:21,015 --> 00:04:40,108\n我要跟院長報告一下第一件事情是希望有一個中介的常設組織讓一些高關懷的小朋友離開比如說關護所什麼之類可以先不要進到學校先到中記的常戶常態性的這個組織比如說宗教或者是社福等等第二還是希望少年隊可以加強\n\n12\n00:04:41,121 --> 00:04:56,673\n加強區域跟學校的聯繫昨天部長是有講啦部長是有講說少年隊有在做啊但是就是不夠所以才會出現這個狀況而且我要跟院長講現在的小朋友跟以前最大不一樣就是很多小朋友已經被幫派吸收吸收做什麼呢吸收做詐騙集團的車手\n\n13\n00:04:58,394 --> 00:05:27,004\n這是在過去比較沒有發生的所以現在的有些幫派小孩以前可能跟幫派他沒有那麼直接沒有那麼平凡聯繫他是屬於某個幫派但他沒有那麼長的聯繫但現在因為做詐騙的關係所以他常常聯繫做車手很多你去看很多關護所關的小朋友他都是在做車手所以現在的少年隊真的應該扮演更積極的角色第三就是我們希望說增加校安人員雖然昨天部長講說\n\n14\n00:05:28,188 --> 00:05:54,979\n什麼...什麼...多設一個人兩個人在學校他也沒事做啊什麼之類的我覺得千萬不能就這樣子講就像高中高中有校安人員很多是退休教官實際上你請這些退休教官這樣子既有的系統裡面在國中編制一兩位其實就會讓大家覺得相對來說安全我不知道這...因為今天我們我的質詢時間也比較有限所以我直接就三個建議不知道院長怎麼看\n\n15\n00:05:56,141 --> 00:06:20,711\n我想這一個高光牌隔岸需要來協助是相當的重要那你剛才講到這個中繼的這個部分實際上我確實因為我本身的教會也有在做這樣的工作我覺得這確實是很重要那在學校裡面如果要設置一些新設置一些人這些人扮演的角色我們一個一個來比如說這個長社的中繼組織那這個長社大概院長你支持嘛對不對\n\n16\n00:06:24,025 --> 00:06:27,038\n有想支持的話那大概教育部什麼時候可以做到這個?嘗試喔!\n\n17\n00:06:29,246 --> 00:06:57,557\n委員這個所謂的常設就是本來就是縣市我們目前在協調的就是在做現在要增設的就是有關司法少年原來像新北也有設這一種我們在合作室的中途班這個其實都是跟民間團體在合作但我們現在希望能夠邀請到已經也在做協調就是對於過去有服務協助暴險少年跟司法少年的這個全國有33個團體他們也願意來共同現在在做\n\n18\n00:06:58,297 --> 00:07:15,546\n希望在3月底我們把這樣的一些設定的建制的計畫確定,然後讓縣市這邊就開始來做協助。我們希望在5月能夠在這個類型的這個中介的基地能夠把它建成。五月可以完成是不是?那我有個建議,我有個建議,很多老師認為說\n\n19\n00:07:16,867 --> 00:07:32,461\n這些飛行少年或是高官懷少年從關戶所出來之後不進學校嘛直接進中紀組織但他們不希望說全部的人都聚在一起啦希望能夠個別輔導啦因為如果說大家全部在一個中紀組織的話又會出現一種犯罪大學的狀況\n\n20\n00:07:33,424 --> 00:07:59,906\n所以有沒有辦法避免我剛講的情形我要補充的就是他不會是單一啦因為現在我們為什麼說要把這個全國一起來當然縣市也有一個建議說如果他們再有一些公社的單位可以我說當然可以我們目的都一樣但是說社的形態確實可以多元我們也希望當然我們以新北來說啦這個學生數多我們需要去照顧的觀光學生可能也多就不希望只是單一的據點\n\n21\n00:08:01,700 --> 00:08:16,154\n我的問題我的問題是說不要讓個別學那一堆這種從官戶所的少年又把他們全部都聚在一起讓他們一起學習這可能也會衍生出別的問題這個就要看他這個中紀組織他本身的\n\n22\n00:08:17,095 --> 00:08:43,937\n亮能還有他的作法我所知道的一些...院長這部分你可以去...你們可以去要求嘛對不對你們可以說請他們特別注意到這一點嘛這是老師的信稱啦委員這個未來在做合作的時候我們就會在一個大家彼此合作的條件會去做一個約束啦反正就是說你剛剛講了嘛五月的時候這個常態性的這個中介組織就會出現嘛那相關的那個具體的系列辦法到時候再來跟我們討論好不好\n\n23\n00:08:45,037 --> 00:08:56,306\n第二個就是有關於我剛講那個少年隊能不能加強少年隊能量昨天部長有說少年隊跟學校機制但我了解是少年隊他就是一個少年隊的警員\n\n24\n00:08:57,011 --> 00:09:19,933\n他負責很多學校,所以實際上他就會變成一個例行性的工作。但如果說你擴編少年隊的機制,然後讓他跟學校更緊密的互動,那每個少年隊他就可以進入去關懷那些幫派少年,甚至於關懷他那個少年所屬的幫派,然後去幫派有壓制,要求幫派叫那些學生在學校不要作亂。\n\n25\n00:09:20,762 --> 00:09:49,562\n我覺得這個會比較達到就是校園安全啊所以部長你昨天有說有在做但是我真的覺得做錯不夠所以能不能因為這個簽到跨部會了我請院長回答好不好院長這個我剛提到這個部分院長願意支持嗎對其實少年隊跟學生的學校這一塊他的人力可以擴編而且可以常態化這因為我們今天質詢的過程內政部沒來啦齁他實際上警政署的相關的少年隊可以來幫忙\n\n26\n00:09:50,803 --> 00:09:52,945\n我會請教育部再跟內政部再商量一下和少年隊的功能怎麼讓他們發揮。\n\n27\n00:10:06,998 --> 00:10:23,916\n警政署本身的人力也是相當的吃緊要編預算嘛好不好我們來這邊立法院聽到國家機關講最多的理由都是說我們沒有錢沒有經費那你們明明計畫的錢就很多阿只是不願意把錢花在我們認為重要的事情上面\n\n28\n00:10:24,977 --> 00:10:39,622\n我想不是。最重要的就是說這個部會、跨部會之間來協調一下看看少年隊的功能怎麼樣來加強。那加強的方式怎麼樣是最好。我想這個部分是不是也...欸不然這個部分是不是也請...\n\n29\n00:10:41,008 --> 00:10:58,309\n請部長好不好也是提一個研究的方案給我們好不好就是有關於學校跟少年隊怎麼樣更緊密的聯繫這一塊好不好我跟你們補充一下因為在之前因為整個治安裡面警政署當時就是為了考量已經擴充有關少年隊至於這個相關的人數\n\n30\n00:10:59,269 --> 00:11:03,052\n我還是非常強烈的建議就是國中要設校安人員,一到兩位。不知道這可以嗎?\n\n31\n00:11:23,809 --> 00:11:32,175\n我要先澄清一下,不是這個人沒有事做,不是說這個人沒有事做,可以請這個人未來在這個生態裡面,他其實很不榮幸。時間暫停一下,我是來總諮詢陳建遠院長的,不是來諮詢部長的。沒問題,請陳院長。請部長下去。\n\n32\n00:11:49,294 --> 00:12:09,839\n這樣部長請回沒有問題沒有關係啦他留著我來回答我來回答不是啦不是啦他一直插話我很尊敬你啦好不好可是這時間因為是總質詢不好意思我可以請你先下去他時間有暫停的啦我來回答好了院委員我時間幫你暫停那部長對不起委員請您抱對不起\n\n33\n00:12:11,476 --> 00:12:28,486\n謝謝教育部謝謝委員你提的這三個問題其實教育部都有在考量那你關於說因為委員會我為什麼今天講是因為昨天委員會部長是說他覺得國中不必要去設校安人員但我了解其實國中很需要校安人員\n\n34\n00:12:29,706 --> 00:12:54,095\n這個部分也利用這個機會跟您講所以希望院長再跟部長說好不好這是國中的需求做通盤的這樣當的演繹而且很重要的就是說校安人員他扮演的角色是什麼對當然嘛當然就是維護校園安全嘛再來我最後一個議題因為剛剛也被浪費很多時間剩3分鐘我趕快問一下因為之前院長在去年的時候包括我們現在的準總統賴清德\n\n35\n00:12:55,675 --> 00:13:24,532\n前副總統都提過說我們現在要教育平權嘛也因為要教育平權的關係所以我們現在大學不管是公立私立也都免學雜費的嘛那高中的部分是私校私立大學三、三、三、對都補助啦有補助啦就大家都一樣嘛對不對就是為了要做到平權大家然後後來也擴及到高中嘛所以本來我們高中職在這個補助學費的部分是有排付條款後來排付條款也拿掉但現在有一個漏網之魚啦\n\n36\n00:13:25,312 --> 00:13:41,444\n論壇之餘就是你如果是高中生私立高中生可是你是私立國中你直接直升上來的這群人他是被排除的我認為說他就是沒有做到教育平權那請問院長你知道這個事嗎我不太清楚那請部長上來講\n\n37\n00:13:44,598 --> 00:13:58,470\n院長這你的政策教育平權然後有一群漏網之魚基本上如果是高中執勉學會有一群漏網之魚喔他們是沒有補助學費的喔那我覺得給你30秒好不好部長\n\n38\n00:14:00,642 --> 00:14:12,026\n這是在102年我們在討論高級中等教育法的時候立法院草野委員非常清楚激烈的討論當時在56條你會幾年幾年102年7月10號102年馬政府時代馬政府時代那那個剛剛講說但是這個概念好不然可以了我要講關鍵的我不是要插話\n\n39\n00:14:20,849 --> 00:14:39,232\n當時就是因為入學失效,他就是要讀招,要用特別的方式選擇特定的學生,所以當時大院才訂出一個淡書,沒有中華民國國籍重讀跟職生,不是,這個單讀招生的。哪一年是?一百零二年啊。好,可以,因為我剩一分鐘,我現在要表達一下。\n\n40\n00:14:39,893 --> 00:15:08,768\n我們現在要補助學費的是要教育平權對吧?教育平權,院長院長院長院長是教育平權嘛對不對?教育平權應該指的是說不管你家裡面有沒有錢不管你是出生於哪裡不管你是怎麼樣入學你只要是中華民國國民你都應該是要平權嘛這才是平權概念嘛但我們現在我們現行的做法是說只要你是國中升高中是私立的不好意思你沒有補助誰叫你要直升然後還有重讀也沒有補助喔\n\n41\n00:15:09,628 --> 00:15:36,209\n誰叫你要重讀那我想問說這有達到平權嗎沒有吧我想我想如果按照高等中學教育法這邊齁畏懼有中華民國國籍重讀及符合現在不是在講法條我現在講概念就是如果平權的話不應該有任何但書嘛你不能夠以入學方式來決定他能不能得到補助因為是平權所以我希望大家可以你們可以檢討這個事情\n\n42\n00:15:51,676 --> 00:16:01,294\n謝謝葉委員：元之的質詢：也謝謝陳院長的備詢。這一步特別辛苦。請坐。謝謝。接下來我們請登記第四位。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6573\t29368\t委員長好,請陳建仁院長。請陳院長備詢。委員長早。委員長早。我先來爭取一下我們板橋的建設。因為我們板橋現在要增建第二運動中心。跟院長報告一下板橋非常特別,板橋總共有接近60萬人。\n30512\t59244\t所以板橋是全臺灣唯一可以選兩個立法委員的地方。那上一次我在國民黨黨團有遇到你,你那時候還不認識我,也不知道我是立委。今天有機會跟你面對面,跟你介紹一下。那板橋因為有兩個立委,所以人數非常多,我們現在也在增設了第二國民運動中心。那這個運動中心是地方引領期盼的一個運動中心。總共造價是接近11億,然後大家都非常期盼。\n61232\t89695\t當初新北市政府說要蓋這個運動中心的時候在前年也有跟中央要爭取預算但是一直沒有下文那去年好像又發了兩次文希望中央可以跟中央爭取預算但是又沒有下文那今年又再度爭取了預算那還是沒有下文後來呢因為地方實在是等不及了所以在3月6號就已經先開工了嘛因為現在你也知道如果說晚開工的話有些工程造價什麼都會往上\n90100\t117772\t所以我想要問院長總共12億不知道中央能不能補助一些讓我們地方的財源可以稍微寬鬆一點這按照規定如果已經在核定補助前就開工的我們是不能補助對但是我剛也講了他實際上在去年也申請兩次前年也申請兩次那每一次都一直被打回票所以你說他當然沒辦法等了所以可不可以看在之前也申請很多次的份上\n119435\t133309\t對,他有什麼方法可以補助一下?我請部長來回答。因為其實實際上他要求補助也不多啦。我知道現在中央補助好像也都是補助一兩億嘛。那前瞻計畫很多啦。\n134056\t153852\t我們看那個高雄啊暖室都拿非常多喔那暖室在這幾年來前瞻計畫他們拿一千我印象當中是拿一千多一千兩百多億嘛然後自籌款只要八百億但我們新北市是我們是只有拿九百多億但是自籌款是一千多億喔其實我們都感覺很不公平啦我現在只是爭取這個選區的這個運動中心對\n156454\t175243\t委員這個因為提出交易部這邊對新北的提設施補助其實額度是相當的我想可以統計給委員委員在板橋知道光那個板橋第一運動中那個當時辦運的時候其實整個是麻煩心過那我現在當然第二運動中心以板橋的人口受制在\n175943\t203304\t我們很願意支持只是新北在提報的時候其實他排在順位是11再來動工這件事情其實是對全國是一致的我知道我知道我現在沒有在講動工這個事我的意思是說其實之前就申請過那不能再等了不可能是說一直等一直等中央沒給錢我就不動工這個對成本也會增加我現在是說能不能中央找一個方法再補助一下因為畢竟人家並不是都沒來申請就直接動工是申請兩三年\n204827\t207788\t那未來看裡面的設施或者怎麼樣有需要補助的項目\n233996\t239579\t第二我想針對那個校園安全的問題跟院長討論因為昨天其實部長來我們委員會我也跟他討論那其實我跟很多技能老師有聊過啦其實他們最需要三件事情\n261015\t280108\t我要跟院長報告一下第一件事情是希望有一個中介的常設組織讓一些高關懷的小朋友離開比如說關護所什麼之類可以先不要進到學校先到中記的常戶常態性的這個組織比如說宗教或者是社福等等第二還是希望少年隊可以加強\n281121\t296673\t加強區域跟學校的聯繫昨天部長是有講啦部長是有講說少年隊有在做啊但是就是不夠所以才會出現這個狀況而且我要跟院長講現在的小朋友跟以前最大不一樣就是很多小朋友已經被幫派吸收吸收做什麼呢吸收做詐騙集團的車手\n298394\t327004\t這是在過去比較沒有發生的所以現在的有些幫派小孩以前可能跟幫派他沒有那麼直接沒有那麼平凡聯繫他是屬於某個幫派但他沒有那麼長的聯繫但現在因為做詐騙的關係所以他常常聯繫做車手很多你去看很多關護所關的小朋友他都是在做車手所以現在的少年隊真的應該扮演更積極的角色第三就是我們希望說增加校安人員雖然昨天部長講說\n328188\t354979\t什麼...什麼...多設一個人兩個人在學校他也沒事做啊什麼之類的我覺得千萬不能就這樣子講就像高中高中有校安人員很多是退休教官實際上你請這些退休教官這樣子既有的系統裡面在國中編制一兩位其實就會讓大家覺得相對來說安全我不知道這...因為今天我們我的質詢時間也比較有限所以我直接就三個建議不知道院長怎麼看\n356141\t380711\t我想這一個高光牌隔岸需要來協助是相當的重要那你剛才講到這個中繼的這個部分實際上我確實因為我本身的教會也有在做這樣的工作我覺得這確實是很重要那在學校裡面如果要設置一些新設置一些人這些人扮演的角色我們一個一個來比如說這個長社的中繼組織那這個長社大概院長你支持嘛對不對\n384025\t387038\t有想支持的話那大概教育部什麼時候可以做到這個?嘗試喔!\n389246\t417557\t委員這個所謂的常設就是本來就是縣市我們目前在協調的就是在做現在要增設的就是有關司法少年原來像新北也有設這一種我們在合作室的中途班這個其實都是跟民間團體在合作但我們現在希望能夠邀請到已經也在做協調就是對於過去有服務協助暴險少年跟司法少年的這個全國有33個團體他們也願意來共同現在在做\n418297\t435546\t希望在3月底我們把這樣的一些設定的建制的計畫確定,然後讓縣市這邊就開始來做協助。我們希望在5月能夠在這個類型的這個中介的基地能夠把它建成。五月可以完成是不是?那我有個建議,我有個建議,很多老師認為說\n436867\t452461\t這些飛行少年或是高官懷少年從關戶所出來之後不進學校嘛直接進中紀組織但他們不希望說全部的人都聚在一起啦希望能夠個別輔導啦因為如果說大家全部在一個中紀組織的話又會出現一種犯罪大學的狀況\n453424\t479906\t所以有沒有辦法避免我剛講的情形我要補充的就是他不會是單一啦因為現在我們為什麼說要把這個全國一起來當然縣市也有一個建議說如果他們再有一些公社的單位可以我說當然可以我們目的都一樣但是說社的形態確實可以多元我們也希望當然我們以新北來說啦這個學生數多我們需要去照顧的觀光學生可能也多就不希望只是單一的據點\n481700\t496154\t我的問題我的問題是說不要讓個別學那一堆這種從官戶所的少年又把他們全部都聚在一起讓他們一起學習這可能也會衍生出別的問題這個就要看他這個中紀組織他本身的\n497095\t523937\t亮能還有他的作法我所知道的一些...院長這部分你可以去...你們可以去要求嘛對不對你們可以說請他們特別注意到這一點嘛這是老師的信稱啦委員這個未來在做合作的時候我們就會在一個大家彼此合作的條件會去做一個約束啦反正就是說你剛剛講了嘛五月的時候這個常態性的這個中介組織就會出現嘛那相關的那個具體的系列辦法到時候再來跟我們討論好不好\n525037\t536306\t第二個就是有關於我剛講那個少年隊能不能加強少年隊能量昨天部長有說少年隊跟學校機制但我了解是少年隊他就是一個少年隊的警員\n537011\t559933\t他負責很多學校,所以實際上他就會變成一個例行性的工作。但如果說你擴編少年隊的機制,然後讓他跟學校更緊密的互動,那每個少年隊他就可以進入去關懷那些幫派少年,甚至於關懷他那個少年所屬的幫派,然後去幫派有壓制,要求幫派叫那些學生在學校不要作亂。\n560762\t589562\t我覺得這個會比較達到就是校園安全啊所以部長你昨天有說有在做但是我真的覺得做錯不夠所以能不能因為這個簽到跨部會了我請院長回答好不好院長這個我剛提到這個部分院長願意支持嗎對其實少年隊跟學生的學校這一塊他的人力可以擴編而且可以常態化這因為我們今天質詢的過程內政部沒來啦齁他實際上警政署的相關的少年隊可以來幫忙\n590803\t592945\t我會請教育部再跟內政部再商量一下和少年隊的功能怎麼讓他們發揮。\n606998\t623916\t警政署本身的人力也是相當的吃緊要編預算嘛好不好我們來這邊立法院聽到國家機關講最多的理由都是說我們沒有錢沒有經費那你們明明計畫的錢就很多阿只是不願意把錢花在我們認為重要的事情上面\n624977\t639622\t我想不是。最重要的就是說這個部會、跨部會之間來協調一下看看少年隊的功能怎麼樣來加強。那加強的方式怎麼樣是最好。我想這個部分是不是也...欸不然這個部分是不是也請...\n641008\t658309\t請部長好不好也是提一個研究的方案給我們好不好就是有關於學校跟少年隊怎麼樣更緊密的聯繫這一塊好不好我跟你們補充一下因為在之前因為整個治安裡面警政署當時就是為了考量已經擴充有關少年隊至於這個相關的人數\n659269\t663052\t我還是非常強烈的建議就是國中要設校安人員,一到兩位。不知道這可以嗎?\n683809\t692175\t我要先澄清一下,不是這個人沒有事做,不是說這個人沒有事做,可以請這個人未來在這個生態裡面,他其實很不榮幸。時間暫停一下,我是來總諮詢陳建遠院長的,不是來諮詢部長的。沒問題,請陳院長。請部長下去。\n709294\t729839\t這樣部長請回沒有問題沒有關係啦他留著我來回答我來回答不是啦不是啦他一直插話我很尊敬你啦好不好可是這時間因為是總質詢不好意思我可以請你先下去他時間有暫停的啦我來回答好了院委員我時間幫你暫停那部長對不起委員請您抱對不起\n731476\t748486\t謝謝教育部謝謝委員你提的這三個問題其實教育部都有在考量那你關於說因為委員會我為什麼今天講是因為昨天委員會部長是說他覺得國中不必要去設校安人員但我了解其實國中很需要校安人員\n749706\t774095\t這個部分也利用這個機會跟您講所以希望院長再跟部長說好不好這是國中的需求做通盤的這樣當的演繹而且很重要的就是說校安人員他扮演的角色是什麼對當然嘛當然就是維護校園安全嘛再來我最後一個議題因為剛剛也被浪費很多時間剩3分鐘我趕快問一下因為之前院長在去年的時候包括我們現在的準總統賴清德\n775675\t804532\t前副總統都提過說我們現在要教育平權嘛也因為要教育平權的關係所以我們現在大學不管是公立私立也都免學雜費的嘛那高中的部分是私校私立大學三、三、三、對都補助啦有補助啦就大家都一樣嘛對不對就是為了要做到平權大家然後後來也擴及到高中嘛所以本來我們高中職在這個補助學費的部分是有排付條款後來排付條款也拿掉但現在有一個漏網之魚啦\n805312\t821444\t論壇之餘就是你如果是高中生私立高中生可是你是私立國中你直接直升上來的這群人他是被排除的我認為說他就是沒有做到教育平權那請問院長你知道這個事嗎我不太清楚那請部長上來講\n824598\t838470\t院長這你的政策教育平權然後有一群漏網之魚基本上如果是高中執勉學會有一群漏網之魚喔他們是沒有補助學費的喔那我覺得給你30秒好不好部長\n840642\t852026\t這是在102年我們在討論高級中等教育法的時候立法院草野委員非常清楚激烈的討論當時在56條你會幾年幾年102年7月10號102年馬政府時代馬政府時代那那個剛剛講說但是這個概念好不然可以了我要講關鍵的我不是要插話\n860849\t879232\t當時就是因為入學失效,他就是要讀招,要用特別的方式選擇特定的學生,所以當時大院才訂出一個淡書,沒有中華民國國籍重讀跟職生,不是,這個單讀招生的。哪一年是?一百零二年啊。好,可以,因為我剩一分鐘,我現在要表達一下。\n879893\t908768\t我們現在要補助學費的是要教育平權對吧?教育平權,院長院長院長院長是教育平權嘛對不對?教育平權應該指的是說不管你家裡面有沒有錢不管你是出生於哪裡不管你是怎麼樣入學你只要是中華民國國民你都應該是要平權嘛這才是平權概念嘛但我們現在我們現行的做法是說只要你是國中升高中是私立的不好意思你沒有補助誰叫你要直升然後還有重讀也沒有補助喔\n909628\t936209\t誰叫你要重讀那我想問說這有達到平權嗎沒有吧我想我想如果按照高等中學教育法這邊齁畏懼有中華民國國籍重讀及符合現在不是在講法條我現在講概念就是如果平權的話不應該有任何但書嘛你不能夠以入學方式來決定他能不能得到補助因為是平權所以我希望大家可以你們可以檢討這個事情\n951676\t961294\t謝謝葉委員：元之的質詢：也謝謝陳院長的備詢。這一步特別辛苦。請坐。謝謝。接下來我們請登記第四位。\n","txt":"委員長好,請陳建仁院長。請陳院長備詢。委員長早。委員長早。我先來爭取一下我們板橋的建設。因為我們板橋現在要增建第二運動中心。跟院長報告一下板橋非常特別,板橋總共有接近60萬人。\n所以板橋是全臺灣唯一可以選兩個立法委員的地方。那上一次我在國民黨黨團有遇到你,你那時候還不認識我,也不知道我是立委。今天有機會跟你面對面,跟你介紹一下。那板橋因為有兩個立委,所以人數非常多,我們現在也在增設了第二國民運動中心。那這個運動中心是地方引領期盼的一個運動中心。總共造價是接近11億,然後大家都非常期盼。\n當初新北市政府說要蓋這個運動中心的時候在前年也有跟中央要爭取預算但是一直沒有下文那去年好像又發了兩次文希望中央可以跟中央爭取預算但是又沒有下文那今年又再度爭取了預算那還是沒有下文後來呢因為地方實在是等不及了所以在3月6號就已經先開工了嘛因為現在你也知道如果說晚開工的話有些工程造價什麼都會往上\n所以我想要問院長總共12億不知道中央能不能補助一些讓我們地方的財源可以稍微寬鬆一點這按照規定如果已經在核定補助前就開工的我們是不能補助對但是我剛也講了他實際上在去年也申請兩次前年也申請兩次那每一次都一直被打回票所以你說他當然沒辦法等了所以可不可以看在之前也申請很多次的份上\n對,他有什麼方法可以補助一下?我請部長來回答。因為其實實際上他要求補助也不多啦。我知道現在中央補助好像也都是補助一兩億嘛。那前瞻計畫很多啦。\n我們看那個高雄啊暖室都拿非常多喔那暖室在這幾年來前瞻計畫他們拿一千我印象當中是拿一千多一千兩百多億嘛然後自籌款只要八百億但我們新北市是我們是只有拿九百多億但是自籌款是一千多億喔其實我們都感覺很不公平啦我現在只是爭取這個選區的這個運動中心對\n委員這個因為提出交易部這邊對新北的提設施補助其實額度是相當的我想可以統計給委員委員在板橋知道光那個板橋第一運動中那個當時辦運的時候其實整個是麻煩心過那我現在當然第二運動中心以板橋的人口受制在\n我們很願意支持只是新北在提報的時候其實他排在順位是11再來動工這件事情其實是對全國是一致的我知道我知道我現在沒有在講動工這個事我的意思是說其實之前就申請過那不能再等了不可能是說一直等一直等中央沒給錢我就不動工這個對成本也會增加我現在是說能不能中央找一個方法再補助一下因為畢竟人家並不是都沒來申請就直接動工是申請兩三年\n那未來看裡面的設施或者怎麼樣有需要補助的項目\n第二我想針對那個校園安全的問題跟院長討論因為昨天其實部長來我們委員會我也跟他討論那其實我跟很多技能老師有聊過啦其實他們最需要三件事情\n我要跟院長報告一下第一件事情是希望有一個中介的常設組織讓一些高關懷的小朋友離開比如說關護所什麼之類可以先不要進到學校先到中記的常戶常態性的這個組織比如說宗教或者是社福等等第二還是希望少年隊可以加強\n加強區域跟學校的聯繫昨天部長是有講啦部長是有講說少年隊有在做啊但是就是不夠所以才會出現這個狀況而且我要跟院長講現在的小朋友跟以前最大不一樣就是很多小朋友已經被幫派吸收吸收做什麼呢吸收做詐騙集團的車手\n這是在過去比較沒有發生的所以現在的有些幫派小孩以前可能跟幫派他沒有那麼直接沒有那麼平凡聯繫他是屬於某個幫派但他沒有那麼長的聯繫但現在因為做詐騙的關係所以他常常聯繫做車手很多你去看很多關護所關的小朋友他都是在做車手所以現在的少年隊真的應該扮演更積極的角色第三就是我們希望說增加校安人員雖然昨天部長講說\n什麼...什麼...多設一個人兩個人在學校他也沒事做啊什麼之類的我覺得千萬不能就這樣子講就像高中高中有校安人員很多是退休教官實際上你請這些退休教官這樣子既有的系統裡面在國中編制一兩位其實就會讓大家覺得相對來說安全我不知道這...因為今天我們我的質詢時間也比較有限所以我直接就三個建議不知道院長怎麼看\n我想這一個高光牌隔岸需要來協助是相當的重要那你剛才講到這個中繼的這個部分實際上我確實因為我本身的教會也有在做這樣的工作我覺得這確實是很重要那在學校裡面如果要設置一些新設置一些人這些人扮演的角色我們一個一個來比如說這個長社的中繼組織那這個長社大概院長你支持嘛對不對\n有想支持的話那大概教育部什麼時候可以做到這個?嘗試喔!\n委員這個所謂的常設就是本來就是縣市我們目前在協調的就是在做現在要增設的就是有關司法少年原來像新北也有設這一種我們在合作室的中途班這個其實都是跟民間團體在合作但我們現在希望能夠邀請到已經也在做協調就是對於過去有服務協助暴險少年跟司法少年的這個全國有33個團體他們也願意來共同現在在做\n希望在3月底我們把這樣的一些設定的建制的計畫確定,然後讓縣市這邊就開始來做協助。我們希望在5月能夠在這個類型的這個中介的基地能夠把它建成。五月可以完成是不是?那我有個建議,我有個建議,很多老師認為說\n這些飛行少年或是高官懷少年從關戶所出來之後不進學校嘛直接進中紀組織但他們不希望說全部的人都聚在一起啦希望能夠個別輔導啦因為如果說大家全部在一個中紀組織的話又會出現一種犯罪大學的狀況\n所以有沒有辦法避免我剛講的情形我要補充的就是他不會是單一啦因為現在我們為什麼說要把這個全國一起來當然縣市也有一個建議說如果他們再有一些公社的單位可以我說當然可以我們目的都一樣但是說社的形態確實可以多元我們也希望當然我們以新北來說啦這個學生數多我們需要去照顧的觀光學生可能也多就不希望只是單一的據點\n我的問題我的問題是說不要讓個別學那一堆這種從官戶所的少年又把他們全部都聚在一起讓他們一起學習這可能也會衍生出別的問題這個就要看他這個中紀組織他本身的\n亮能還有他的作法我所知道的一些...院長這部分你可以去...你們可以去要求嘛對不對你們可以說請他們特別注意到這一點嘛這是老師的信稱啦委員這個未來在做合作的時候我們就會在一個大家彼此合作的條件會去做一個約束啦反正就是說你剛剛講了嘛五月的時候這個常態性的這個中介組織就會出現嘛那相關的那個具體的系列辦法到時候再來跟我們討論好不好\n第二個就是有關於我剛講那個少年隊能不能加強少年隊能量昨天部長有說少年隊跟學校機制但我了解是少年隊他就是一個少年隊的警員\n他負責很多學校,所以實際上他就會變成一個例行性的工作。但如果說你擴編少年隊的機制,然後讓他跟學校更緊密的互動,那每個少年隊他就可以進入去關懷那些幫派少年,甚至於關懷他那個少年所屬的幫派,然後去幫派有壓制,要求幫派叫那些學生在學校不要作亂。\n我覺得這個會比較達到就是校園安全啊所以部長你昨天有說有在做但是我真的覺得做錯不夠所以能不能因為這個簽到跨部會了我請院長回答好不好院長這個我剛提到這個部分院長願意支持嗎對其實少年隊跟學生的學校這一塊他的人力可以擴編而且可以常態化這因為我們今天質詢的過程內政部沒來啦齁他實際上警政署的相關的少年隊可以來幫忙\n我會請教育部再跟內政部再商量一下和少年隊的功能怎麼讓他們發揮。\n警政署本身的人力也是相當的吃緊要編預算嘛好不好我們來這邊立法院聽到國家機關講最多的理由都是說我們沒有錢沒有經費那你們明明計畫的錢就很多阿只是不願意把錢花在我們認為重要的事情上面\n我想不是。最重要的就是說這個部會、跨部會之間來協調一下看看少年隊的功能怎麼樣來加強。那加強的方式怎麼樣是最好。我想這個部分是不是也...欸不然這個部分是不是也請...\n請部長好不好也是提一個研究的方案給我們好不好就是有關於學校跟少年隊怎麼樣更緊密的聯繫這一塊好不好我跟你們補充一下因為在之前因為整個治安裡面警政署當時就是為了考量已經擴充有關少年隊至於這個相關的人數\n我還是非常強烈的建議就是國中要設校安人員,一到兩位。不知道這可以嗎?\n我要先澄清一下,不是這個人沒有事做,不是說這個人沒有事做,可以請這個人未來在這個生態裡面,他其實很不榮幸。時間暫停一下,我是來總諮詢陳建遠院長的,不是來諮詢部長的。沒問題,請陳院長。請部長下去。\n這樣部長請回沒有問題沒有關係啦他留著我來回答我來回答不是啦不是啦他一直插話我很尊敬你啦好不好可是這時間因為是總質詢不好意思我可以請你先下去他時間有暫停的啦我來回答好了院委員我時間幫你暫停那部長對不起委員請您抱對不起\n謝謝教育部謝謝委員你提的這三個問題其實教育部都有在考量那你關於說因為委員會我為什麼今天講是因為昨天委員會部長是說他覺得國中不必要去設校安人員但我了解其實國中很需要校安人員\n這個部分也利用這個機會跟您講所以希望院長再跟部長說好不好這是國中的需求做通盤的這樣當的演繹而且很重要的就是說校安人員他扮演的角色是什麼對當然嘛當然就是維護校園安全嘛再來我最後一個議題因為剛剛也被浪費很多時間剩3分鐘我趕快問一下因為之前院長在去年的時候包括我們現在的準總統賴清德\n前副總統都提過說我們現在要教育平權嘛也因為要教育平權的關係所以我們現在大學不管是公立私立也都免學雜費的嘛那高中的部分是私校私立大學三、三、三、對都補助啦有補助啦就大家都一樣嘛對不對就是為了要做到平權大家然後後來也擴及到高中嘛所以本來我們高中職在這個補助學費的部分是有排付條款後來排付條款也拿掉但現在有一個漏網之魚啦\n論壇之餘就是你如果是高中生私立高中生可是你是私立國中你直接直升上來的這群人他是被排除的我認為說他就是沒有做到教育平權那請問院長你知道這個事嗎我不太清楚那請部長上來講\n院長這你的政策教育平權然後有一群漏網之魚基本上如果是高中執勉學會有一群漏網之魚喔他們是沒有補助學費的喔那我覺得給你30秒好不好部長\n這是在102年我們在討論高級中等教育法的時候立法院草野委員非常清楚激烈的討論當時在56條你會幾年幾年102年7月10號102年馬政府時代馬政府時代那那個剛剛講說但是這個概念好不然可以了我要講關鍵的我不是要插話\n當時就是因為入學失效,他就是要讀招,要用特別的方式選擇特定的學生,所以當時大院才訂出一個淡書,沒有中華民國國籍重讀跟職生,不是,這個單讀招生的。哪一年是?一百零二年啊。好,可以,因為我剩一分鐘,我現在要表達一下。\n我們現在要補助學費的是要教育平權對吧?教育平權,院長院長院長院長是教育平權嘛對不對?教育平權應該指的是說不管你家裡面有沒有錢不管你是出生於哪裡不管你是怎麼樣入學你只要是中華民國國民你都應該是要平權嘛這才是平權概念嘛但我們現在我們現行的做法是說只要你是國中升高中是私立的不好意思你沒有補助誰叫你要直升然後還有重讀也沒有補助喔\n誰叫你要重讀那我想問說這有達到平權嗎沒有吧我想我想如果按照高等中學教育法這邊齁畏懼有中華民國國籍重讀及符合現在不是在講法條我現在講概念就是如果平權的話不應該有任何但書嘛你不能夠以入學方式來決定他能不能得到補助因為是平權所以我希望大家可以你們可以檢討這個事情\n謝謝葉委員：元之的質詢：也謝謝陳院長的備詢。這一步特別辛苦。請坐。謝謝。接下來我們請登記第四位。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.573 --> 00:29.368\n委員長好,請陳建仁院長。請陳院長備詢。委員長早。委員長早。我先來爭取一下我們板橋的建設。因為我們板橋現在要增建第二運動中心。跟院長報告一下板橋非常特別,板橋總共有接近60萬人。\n\n00:30.512 --> 00:59.244\n所以板橋是全臺灣唯一可以選兩個立法委員的地方。那上一次我在國民黨黨團有遇到你,你那時候還不認識我,也不知道我是立委。今天有機會跟你面對面,跟你介紹一下。那板橋因為有兩個立委,所以人數非常多,我們現在也在增設了第二國民運動中心。那這個運動中心是地方引領期盼的一個運動中心。總共造價是接近11億,然後大家都非常期盼。\n\n01:01.232 --> 01:29.695\n當初新北市政府說要蓋這個運動中心的時候在前年也有跟中央要爭取預算但是一直沒有下文那去年好像又發了兩次文希望中央可以跟中央爭取預算但是又沒有下文那今年又再度爭取了預算那還是沒有下文後來呢因為地方實在是等不及了所以在3月6號就已經先開工了嘛因為現在你也知道如果說晚開工的話有些工程造價什麼都會往上\n\n01:30.100 --> 01:57.772\n所以我想要問院長總共12億不知道中央能不能補助一些讓我們地方的財源可以稍微寬鬆一點這按照規定如果已經在核定補助前就開工的我們是不能補助對但是我剛也講了他實際上在去年也申請兩次前年也申請兩次那每一次都一直被打回票所以你說他當然沒辦法等了所以可不可以看在之前也申請很多次的份上\n\n01:59.435 --> 02:13.309\n對,他有什麼方法可以補助一下?我請部長來回答。因為其實實際上他要求補助也不多啦。我知道現在中央補助好像也都是補助一兩億嘛。那前瞻計畫很多啦。\n\n02:14.056 --> 02:33.852\n我們看那個高雄啊暖室都拿非常多喔那暖室在這幾年來前瞻計畫他們拿一千我印象當中是拿一千多一千兩百多億嘛然後自籌款只要八百億但我們新北市是我們是只有拿九百多億但是自籌款是一千多億喔其實我們都感覺很不公平啦我現在只是爭取這個選區的這個運動中心對\n\n02:36.454 --> 02:55.243\n委員這個因為提出交易部這邊對新北的提設施補助其實額度是相當的我想可以統計給委員委員在板橋知道光那個板橋第一運動中那個當時辦運的時候其實整個是麻煩心過那我現在當然第二運動中心以板橋的人口受制在\n\n02:55.943 --> 03:23.304\n我們很願意支持只是新北在提報的時候其實他排在順位是11再來動工這件事情其實是對全國是一致的我知道我知道我現在沒有在講動工這個事我的意思是說其實之前就申請過那不能再等了不可能是說一直等一直等中央沒給錢我就不動工這個對成本也會增加我現在是說能不能中央找一個方法再補助一下因為畢竟人家並不是都沒來申請就直接動工是申請兩三年\n\n03:24.827 --> 03:27.788\n那未來看裡面的設施或者怎麼樣有需要補助的項目\n\n03:53.996 --> 03:59.579\n第二我想針對那個校園安全的問題跟院長討論因為昨天其實部長來我們委員會我也跟他討論那其實我跟很多技能老師有聊過啦其實他們最需要三件事情\n\n04:21.015 --> 04:40.108\n我要跟院長報告一下第一件事情是希望有一個中介的常設組織讓一些高關懷的小朋友離開比如說關護所什麼之類可以先不要進到學校先到中記的常戶常態性的這個組織比如說宗教或者是社福等等第二還是希望少年隊可以加強\n\n04:41.121 --> 04:56.673\n加強區域跟學校的聯繫昨天部長是有講啦部長是有講說少年隊有在做啊但是就是不夠所以才會出現這個狀況而且我要跟院長講現在的小朋友跟以前最大不一樣就是很多小朋友已經被幫派吸收吸收做什麼呢吸收做詐騙集團的車手\n\n04:58.394 --> 05:27.004\n這是在過去比較沒有發生的所以現在的有些幫派小孩以前可能跟幫派他沒有那麼直接沒有那麼平凡聯繫他是屬於某個幫派但他沒有那麼長的聯繫但現在因為做詐騙的關係所以他常常聯繫做車手很多你去看很多關護所關的小朋友他都是在做車手所以現在的少年隊真的應該扮演更積極的角色第三就是我們希望說增加校安人員雖然昨天部長講說\n\n05:28.188 --> 05:54.979\n什麼...什麼...多設一個人兩個人在學校他也沒事做啊什麼之類的我覺得千萬不能就這樣子講就像高中高中有校安人員很多是退休教官實際上你請這些退休教官這樣子既有的系統裡面在國中編制一兩位其實就會讓大家覺得相對來說安全我不知道這...因為今天我們我的質詢時間也比較有限所以我直接就三個建議不知道院長怎麼看\n\n05:56.141 --> 06:20.711\n我想這一個高光牌隔岸需要來協助是相當的重要那你剛才講到這個中繼的這個部分實際上我確實因為我本身的教會也有在做這樣的工作我覺得這確實是很重要那在學校裡面如果要設置一些新設置一些人這些人扮演的角色我們一個一個來比如說這個長社的中繼組織那這個長社大概院長你支持嘛對不對\n\n06:24.025 --> 06:27.038\n有想支持的話那大概教育部什麼時候可以做到這個?嘗試喔!\n\n06:29.246 --> 06:57.557\n委員這個所謂的常設就是本來就是縣市我們目前在協調的就是在做現在要增設的就是有關司法少年原來像新北也有設這一種我們在合作室的中途班這個其實都是跟民間團體在合作但我們現在希望能夠邀請到已經也在做協調就是對於過去有服務協助暴險少年跟司法少年的這個全國有33個團體他們也願意來共同現在在做\n\n06:58.297 --> 07:15.546\n希望在3月底我們把這樣的一些設定的建制的計畫確定,然後讓縣市這邊就開始來做協助。我們希望在5月能夠在這個類型的這個中介的基地能夠把它建成。五月可以完成是不是?那我有個建議,我有個建議,很多老師認為說\n\n07:16.867 --> 07:32.461\n這些飛行少年或是高官懷少年從關戶所出來之後不進學校嘛直接進中紀組織但他們不希望說全部的人都聚在一起啦希望能夠個別輔導啦因為如果說大家全部在一個中紀組織的話又會出現一種犯罪大學的狀況\n\n07:33.424 --> 07:59.906\n所以有沒有辦法避免我剛講的情形我要補充的就是他不會是單一啦因為現在我們為什麼說要把這個全國一起來當然縣市也有一個建議說如果他們再有一些公社的單位可以我說當然可以我們目的都一樣但是說社的形態確實可以多元我們也希望當然我們以新北來說啦這個學生數多我們需要去照顧的觀光學生可能也多就不希望只是單一的據點\n\n08:01.700 --> 08:16.154\n我的問題我的問題是說不要讓個別學那一堆這種從官戶所的少年又把他們全部都聚在一起讓他們一起學習這可能也會衍生出別的問題這個就要看他這個中紀組織他本身的\n\n08:17.095 --> 08:43.937\n亮能還有他的作法我所知道的一些...院長這部分你可以去...你們可以去要求嘛對不對你們可以說請他們特別注意到這一點嘛這是老師的信稱啦委員這個未來在做合作的時候我們就會在一個大家彼此合作的條件會去做一個約束啦反正就是說你剛剛講了嘛五月的時候這個常態性的這個中介組織就會出現嘛那相關的那個具體的系列辦法到時候再來跟我們討論好不好\n\n08:45.037 --> 08:56.306\n第二個就是有關於我剛講那個少年隊能不能加強少年隊能量昨天部長有說少年隊跟學校機制但我了解是少年隊他就是一個少年隊的警員\n\n08:57.011 --> 09:19.933\n他負責很多學校,所以實際上他就會變成一個例行性的工作。但如果說你擴編少年隊的機制,然後讓他跟學校更緊密的互動,那每個少年隊他就可以進入去關懷那些幫派少年,甚至於關懷他那個少年所屬的幫派,然後去幫派有壓制,要求幫派叫那些學生在學校不要作亂。\n\n09:20.762 --> 09:49.562\n我覺得這個會比較達到就是校園安全啊所以部長你昨天有說有在做但是我真的覺得做錯不夠所以能不能因為這個簽到跨部會了我請院長回答好不好院長這個我剛提到這個部分院長願意支持嗎對其實少年隊跟學生的學校這一塊他的人力可以擴編而且可以常態化這因為我們今天質詢的過程內政部沒來啦齁他實際上警政署的相關的少年隊可以來幫忙\n\n09:50.803 --> 09:52.945\n我會請教育部再跟內政部再商量一下和少年隊的功能怎麼讓他們發揮。\n\n10:06.998 --> 10:23.916\n警政署本身的人力也是相當的吃緊要編預算嘛好不好我們來這邊立法院聽到國家機關講最多的理由都是說我們沒有錢沒有經費那你們明明計畫的錢就很多阿只是不願意把錢花在我們認為重要的事情上面\n\n10:24.977 --> 10:39.622\n我想不是。最重要的就是說這個部會、跨部會之間來協調一下看看少年隊的功能怎麼樣來加強。那加強的方式怎麼樣是最好。我想這個部分是不是也...欸不然這個部分是不是也請...\n\n10:41.008 --> 10:58.309\n請部長好不好也是提一個研究的方案給我們好不好就是有關於學校跟少年隊怎麼樣更緊密的聯繫這一塊好不好我跟你們補充一下因為在之前因為整個治安裡面警政署當時就是為了考量已經擴充有關少年隊至於這個相關的人數\n\n10:59.269 --> 11:03.052\n我還是非常強烈的建議就是國中要設校安人員,一到兩位。不知道這可以嗎?\n\n11:23.809 --> 11:32.175\n我要先澄清一下,不是這個人沒有事做,不是說這個人沒有事做,可以請這個人未來在這個生態裡面,他其實很不榮幸。時間暫停一下,我是來總諮詢陳建遠院長的,不是來諮詢部長的。沒問題,請陳院長。請部長下去。\n\n11:49.294 --> 12:09.839\n這樣部長請回沒有問題沒有關係啦他留著我來回答我來回答不是啦不是啦他一直插話我很尊敬你啦好不好可是這時間因為是總質詢不好意思我可以請你先下去他時間有暫停的啦我來回答好了院委員我時間幫你暫停那部長對不起委員請您抱對不起\n\n12:11.476 --> 12:28.486\n謝謝教育部謝謝委員你提的這三個問題其實教育部都有在考量那你關於說因為委員會我為什麼今天講是因為昨天委員會部長是說他覺得國中不必要去設校安人員但我了解其實國中很需要校安人員\n\n12:29.706 --> 12:54.095\n這個部分也利用這個機會跟您講所以希望院長再跟部長說好不好這是國中的需求做通盤的這樣當的演繹而且很重要的就是說校安人員他扮演的角色是什麼對當然嘛當然就是維護校園安全嘛再來我最後一個議題因為剛剛也被浪費很多時間剩3分鐘我趕快問一下因為之前院長在去年的時候包括我們現在的準總統賴清德\n\n12:55.675 --> 13:24.532\n前副總統都提過說我們現在要教育平權嘛也因為要教育平權的關係所以我們現在大學不管是公立私立也都免學雜費的嘛那高中的部分是私校私立大學三、三、三、對都補助啦有補助啦就大家都一樣嘛對不對就是為了要做到平權大家然後後來也擴及到高中嘛所以本來我們高中職在這個補助學費的部分是有排付條款後來排付條款也拿掉但現在有一個漏網之魚啦\n\n13:25.312 --> 13:41.444\n論壇之餘就是你如果是高中生私立高中生可是你是私立國中你直接直升上來的這群人他是被排除的我認為說他就是沒有做到教育平權那請問院長你知道這個事嗎我不太清楚那請部長上來講\n\n13:44.598 --> 13:58.470\n院長這你的政策教育平權然後有一群漏網之魚基本上如果是高中執勉學會有一群漏網之魚喔他們是沒有補助學費的喔那我覺得給你30秒好不好部長\n\n14:00.642 --> 14:12.026\n這是在102年我們在討論高級中等教育法的時候立法院草野委員非常清楚激烈的討論當時在56條你會幾年幾年102年7月10號102年馬政府時代馬政府時代那那個剛剛講說但是這個概念好不然可以了我要講關鍵的我不是要插話\n\n14:20.849 --> 14:39.232\n當時就是因為入學失效,他就是要讀招,要用特別的方式選擇特定的學生,所以當時大院才訂出一個淡書,沒有中華民國國籍重讀跟職生,不是,這個單讀招生的。哪一年是?一百零二年啊。好,可以,因為我剩一分鐘,我現在要表達一下。\n\n14:39.893 --> 15:08.768\n我們現在要補助學費的是要教育平權對吧?教育平權,院長院長院長院長是教育平權嘛對不對?教育平權應該指的是說不管你家裡面有沒有錢不管你是出生於哪裡不管你是怎麼樣入學你只要是中華民國國民你都應該是要平權嘛這才是平權概念嘛但我們現在我們現行的做法是說只要你是國中升高中是私立的不好意思你沒有補助誰叫你要直升然後還有重讀也沒有補助喔\n\n15:09.628 --> 15:36.209\n誰叫你要重讀那我想問說這有達到平權嗎沒有吧我想我想如果按照高等中學教育法這邊齁畏懼有中華民國國籍重讀及符合現在不是在講法條我現在講概念就是如果平權的話不應該有任何但書嘛你不能夠以入學方式來決定他能不能得到補助因為是平權所以我希望大家可以你們可以檢討這個事情\n\n15:51.676 --> 16:01.294\n謝謝葉委員：元之的質詢：也謝謝陳院長的備詢。這一步特別辛苦。請坐。謝謝。接下來我們請登記第四位。\n\n","segments":[{"start":6.573,"end":29.368,"text":"委員長好,請陳建仁院長。請陳院長備詢。委員長早。委員長早。我先來爭取一下我們板橋的建設。因為我們板橋現在要增建第二運動中心。跟院長報告一下板橋非常特別,板橋總共有接近60萬人。"},{"start":30.512,"end":59.244,"text":"所以板橋是全臺灣唯一可以選兩個立法委員的地方。那上一次我在國民黨黨團有遇到你,你那時候還不認識我,也不知道我是立委。今天有機會跟你面對面,跟你介紹一下。那板橋因為有兩個立委,所以人數非常多,我們現在也在增設了第二國民運動中心。那這個運動中心是地方引領期盼的一個運動中心。總共造價是接近11億,然後大家都非常期盼。"},{"start":61.232,"end":89.695,"text":"當初新北市政府說要蓋這個運動中心的時候在前年也有跟中央要爭取預算但是一直沒有下文那去年好像又發了兩次文希望中央可以跟中央爭取預算但是又沒有下文那今年又再度爭取了預算那還是沒有下文後來呢因為地方實在是等不及了所以在3月6號就已經先開工了嘛因為現在你也知道如果說晚開工的話有些工程造價什麼都會往上"},{"start":90.1,"end":117.772,"text":"所以我想要問院長總共12億不知道中央能不能補助一些讓我們地方的財源可以稍微寬鬆一點這按照規定如果已經在核定補助前就開工的我們是不能補助對但是我剛也講了他實際上在去年也申請兩次前年也申請兩次那每一次都一直被打回票所以你說他當然沒辦法等了所以可不可以看在之前也申請很多次的份上"},{"start":119.435,"end":133.309,"text":"對,他有什麼方法可以補助一下?我請部長來回答。因為其實實際上他要求補助也不多啦。我知道現在中央補助好像也都是補助一兩億嘛。那前瞻計畫很多啦。"},{"start":134.056,"end":153.852,"text":"我們看那個高雄啊暖室都拿非常多喔那暖室在這幾年來前瞻計畫他們拿一千我印象當中是拿一千多一千兩百多億嘛然後自籌款只要八百億但我們新北市是我們是只有拿九百多億但是自籌款是一千多億喔其實我們都感覺很不公平啦我現在只是爭取這個選區的這個運動中心對"},{"start":156.454,"end":175.243,"text":"委員這個因為提出交易部這邊對新北的提設施補助其實額度是相當的我想可以統計給委員委員在板橋知道光那個板橋第一運動中那個當時辦運的時候其實整個是麻煩心過那我現在當然第二運動中心以板橋的人口受制在"},{"start":175.943,"end":203.304,"text":"我們很願意支持只是新北在提報的時候其實他排在順位是11再來動工這件事情其實是對全國是一致的我知道我知道我現在沒有在講動工這個事我的意思是說其實之前就申請過那不能再等了不可能是說一直等一直等中央沒給錢我就不動工這個對成本也會增加我現在是說能不能中央找一個方法再補助一下因為畢竟人家並不是都沒來申請就直接動工是申請兩三年"},{"start":204.827,"end":207.788,"text":"那未來看裡面的設施或者怎麼樣有需要補助的項目"},{"start":233.996,"end":239.579,"text":"第二我想針對那個校園安全的問題跟院長討論因為昨天其實部長來我們委員會我也跟他討論那其實我跟很多技能老師有聊過啦其實他們最需要三件事情"},{"start":261.015,"end":280.108,"text":"我要跟院長報告一下第一件事情是希望有一個中介的常設組織讓一些高關懷的小朋友離開比如說關護所什麼之類可以先不要進到學校先到中記的常戶常態性的這個組織比如說宗教或者是社福等等第二還是希望少年隊可以加強"},{"start":281.121,"end":296.673,"text":"加強區域跟學校的聯繫昨天部長是有講啦部長是有講說少年隊有在做啊但是就是不夠所以才會出現這個狀況而且我要跟院長講現在的小朋友跟以前最大不一樣就是很多小朋友已經被幫派吸收吸收做什麼呢吸收做詐騙集團的車手"},{"start":298.394,"end":327.004,"text":"這是在過去比較沒有發生的所以現在的有些幫派小孩以前可能跟幫派他沒有那麼直接沒有那麼平凡聯繫他是屬於某個幫派但他沒有那麼長的聯繫但現在因為做詐騙的關係所以他常常聯繫做車手很多你去看很多關護所關的小朋友他都是在做車手所以現在的少年隊真的應該扮演更積極的角色第三就是我們希望說增加校安人員雖然昨天部長講說"},{"start":328.188,"end":354.979,"text":"什麼...什麼...多設一個人兩個人在學校他也沒事做啊什麼之類的我覺得千萬不能就這樣子講就像高中高中有校安人員很多是退休教官實際上你請這些退休教官這樣子既有的系統裡面在國中編制一兩位其實就會讓大家覺得相對來說安全我不知道這...因為今天我們我的質詢時間也比較有限所以我直接就三個建議不知道院長怎麼看"},{"start":356.141,"end":380.711,"text":"我想這一個高光牌隔岸需要來協助是相當的重要那你剛才講到這個中繼的這個部分實際上我確實因為我本身的教會也有在做這樣的工作我覺得這確實是很重要那在學校裡面如果要設置一些新設置一些人這些人扮演的角色我們一個一個來比如說這個長社的中繼組織那這個長社大概院長你支持嘛對不對"},{"start":384.025,"end":387.038,"text":"有想支持的話那大概教育部什麼時候可以做到這個?嘗試喔!"},{"start":389.246,"end":417.557,"text":"委員這個所謂的常設就是本來就是縣市我們目前在協調的就是在做現在要增設的就是有關司法少年原來像新北也有設這一種我們在合作室的中途班這個其實都是跟民間團體在合作但我們現在希望能夠邀請到已經也在做協調就是對於過去有服務協助暴險少年跟司法少年的這個全國有33個團體他們也願意來共同現在在做"},{"start":418.297,"end":435.546,"text":"希望在3月底我們把這樣的一些設定的建制的計畫確定,然後讓縣市這邊就開始來做協助。我們希望在5月能夠在這個類型的這個中介的基地能夠把它建成。五月可以完成是不是?那我有個建議,我有個建議,很多老師認為說"},{"start":436.867,"end":452.461,"text":"這些飛行少年或是高官懷少年從關戶所出來之後不進學校嘛直接進中紀組織但他們不希望說全部的人都聚在一起啦希望能夠個別輔導啦因為如果說大家全部在一個中紀組織的話又會出現一種犯罪大學的狀況"},{"start":453.424,"end":479.906,"text":"所以有沒有辦法避免我剛講的情形我要補充的就是他不會是單一啦因為現在我們為什麼說要把這個全國一起來當然縣市也有一個建議說如果他們再有一些公社的單位可以我說當然可以我們目的都一樣但是說社的形態確實可以多元我們也希望當然我們以新北來說啦這個學生數多我們需要去照顧的觀光學生可能也多就不希望只是單一的據點"},{"start":481.7,"end":496.154,"text":"我的問題我的問題是說不要讓個別學那一堆這種從官戶所的少年又把他們全部都聚在一起讓他們一起學習這可能也會衍生出別的問題這個就要看他這個中紀組織他本身的"},{"start":497.095,"end":523.937,"text":"亮能還有他的作法我所知道的一些...院長這部分你可以去...你們可以去要求嘛對不對你們可以說請他們特別注意到這一點嘛這是老師的信稱啦委員這個未來在做合作的時候我們就會在一個大家彼此合作的條件會去做一個約束啦反正就是說你剛剛講了嘛五月的時候這個常態性的這個中介組織就會出現嘛那相關的那個具體的系列辦法到時候再來跟我們討論好不好"},{"start":525.037,"end":536.306,"text":"第二個就是有關於我剛講那個少年隊能不能加強少年隊能量昨天部長有說少年隊跟學校機制但我了解是少年隊他就是一個少年隊的警員"},{"start":537.011,"end":559.933,"text":"他負責很多學校,所以實際上他就會變成一個例行性的工作。但如果說你擴編少年隊的機制,然後讓他跟學校更緊密的互動,那每個少年隊他就可以進入去關懷那些幫派少年,甚至於關懷他那個少年所屬的幫派,然後去幫派有壓制,要求幫派叫那些學生在學校不要作亂。"},{"start":560.762,"end":589.562,"text":"我覺得這個會比較達到就是校園安全啊所以部長你昨天有說有在做但是我真的覺得做錯不夠所以能不能因為這個簽到跨部會了我請院長回答好不好院長這個我剛提到這個部分院長願意支持嗎對其實少年隊跟學生的學校這一塊他的人力可以擴編而且可以常態化這因為我們今天質詢的過程內政部沒來啦齁他實際上警政署的相關的少年隊可以來幫忙"},{"start":590.803,"end":592.945,"text":"我會請教育部再跟內政部再商量一下和少年隊的功能怎麼讓他們發揮。"},{"start":606.998,"end":623.916,"text":"警政署本身的人力也是相當的吃緊要編預算嘛好不好我們來這邊立法院聽到國家機關講最多的理由都是說我們沒有錢沒有經費那你們明明計畫的錢就很多阿只是不願意把錢花在我們認為重要的事情上面"},{"start":624.977,"end":639.622,"text":"我想不是。最重要的就是說這個部會、跨部會之間來協調一下看看少年隊的功能怎麼樣來加強。那加強的方式怎麼樣是最好。我想這個部分是不是也...欸不然這個部分是不是也請..."},{"start":641.008,"end":658.309,"text":"請部長好不好也是提一個研究的方案給我們好不好就是有關於學校跟少年隊怎麼樣更緊密的聯繫這一塊好不好我跟你們補充一下因為在之前因為整個治安裡面警政署當時就是為了考量已經擴充有關少年隊至於這個相關的人數"},{"start":659.269,"end":663.052,"text":"我還是非常強烈的建議就是國中要設校安人員,一到兩位。不知道這可以嗎?"},{"start":683.809,"end":692.175,"text":"我要先澄清一下,不是這個人沒有事做,不是說這個人沒有事做,可以請這個人未來在這個生態裡面,他其實很不榮幸。時間暫停一下,我是來總諮詢陳建遠院長的,不是來諮詢部長的。沒問題,請陳院長。請部長下去。"},{"start":709.294,"end":729.839,"text":"這樣部長請回沒有問題沒有關係啦他留著我來回答我來回答不是啦不是啦他一直插話我很尊敬你啦好不好可是這時間因為是總質詢不好意思我可以請你先下去他時間有暫停的啦我來回答好了院委員我時間幫你暫停那部長對不起委員請您抱對不起"},{"start":731.476,"end":748.486,"text":"謝謝教育部謝謝委員你提的這三個問題其實教育部都有在考量那你關於說因為委員會我為什麼今天講是因為昨天委員會部長是說他覺得國中不必要去設校安人員但我了解其實國中很需要校安人員"},{"start":749.706,"end":774.095,"text":"這個部分也利用這個機會跟您講所以希望院長再跟部長說好不好這是國中的需求做通盤的這樣當的演繹而且很重要的就是說校安人員他扮演的角色是什麼對當然嘛當然就是維護校園安全嘛再來我最後一個議題因為剛剛也被浪費很多時間剩3分鐘我趕快問一下因為之前院長在去年的時候包括我們現在的準總統賴清德"},{"start":775.675,"end":804.532,"text":"前副總統都提過說我們現在要教育平權嘛也因為要教育平權的關係所以我們現在大學不管是公立私立也都免學雜費的嘛那高中的部分是私校私立大學三、三、三、對都補助啦有補助啦就大家都一樣嘛對不對就是為了要做到平權大家然後後來也擴及到高中嘛所以本來我們高中職在這個補助學費的部分是有排付條款後來排付條款也拿掉但現在有一個漏網之魚啦"},{"start":805.312,"end":821.444,"text":"論壇之餘就是你如果是高中生私立高中生可是你是私立國中你直接直升上來的這群人他是被排除的我認為說他就是沒有做到教育平權那請問院長你知道這個事嗎我不太清楚那請部長上來講"},{"start":824.598,"end":838.47,"text":"院長這你的政策教育平權然後有一群漏網之魚基本上如果是高中執勉學會有一群漏網之魚喔他們是沒有補助學費的喔那我覺得給你30秒好不好部長"},{"start":840.642,"end":852.026,"text":"這是在102年我們在討論高級中等教育法的時候立法院草野委員非常清楚激烈的討論當時在56條你會幾年幾年102年7月10號102年馬政府時代馬政府時代那那個剛剛講說但是這個概念好不然可以了我要講關鍵的我不是要插話"},{"start":860.849,"end":879.232,"text":"當時就是因為入學失效,他就是要讀招,要用特別的方式選擇特定的學生,所以當時大院才訂出一個淡書,沒有中華民國國籍重讀跟職生,不是,這個單讀招生的。哪一年是?一百零二年啊。好,可以,因為我剩一分鐘,我現在要表達一下。"},{"start":879.893,"end":908.768,"text":"我們現在要補助學費的是要教育平權對吧?教育平權,院長院長院長院長是教育平權嘛對不對?教育平權應該指的是說不管你家裡面有沒有錢不管你是出生於哪裡不管你是怎麼樣入學你只要是中華民國國民你都應該是要平權嘛這才是平權概念嘛但我們現在我們現行的做法是說只要你是國中升高中是私立的不好意思你沒有補助誰叫你要直升然後還有重讀也沒有補助喔"},{"start":909.628,"end":936.209,"text":"誰叫你要重讀那我想問說這有達到平權嗎沒有吧我想我想如果按照高等中學教育法這邊齁畏懼有中華民國國籍重讀及符合現在不是在講法條我現在講概念就是如果平權的話不應該有任何但書嘛你不能夠以入學方式來決定他能不能得到補助因為是平權所以我希望大家可以你們可以檢討這個事情"},{"start":951.676,"end":961.294,"text":"謝謝葉委員：元之的質詢：也謝謝陳院長的備詢。這一步特別辛苦。請坐。謝謝。接下來我們請登記第四位。"}]}}}}