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11:04:27","影片長度":"00:15:35","會議時間":"2024-03-19T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。\n二、3月15日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n三、3月19日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"立法院第11屆第1會期第5次會議","id":"院會-11-1-5","type":"院會","term":11,"sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":5},"date":"2024-03-19","duration":935,"end_time":"2024-03-19T11:04:27+08:00","start_time":"2024-03-19T10:48:52+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":644,"blocks":[["張委員嘉郡：（10時48分）主席，我想請陳院長。"],["主席：請陳院長備詢。"],["陳院長建仁：張委員好。"],["張委員嘉郡：院長，最近發生了一件讓社會大眾都為之髮指、非常難過的悲劇，就是剴剴的虐童事件，我不曉得你有沒有看到這個新聞？"],["陳院長建仁：當然有，而且我也有在大院表達說，我為中央跟地方還有委託機構沒有辦法協調到很好，我們都感到很難過、很痛心。"],["張委員嘉郡：這一點就是本席想要提出的，院長，中央跟地方不能夠互相推責，而是要趕快站出來……"],["陳院長建仁：沒有，我是第一個道歉的。"],["張委員嘉郡：非常佩服院長第一個站出來，因為原本應該要守護剴剴的社會安全制度，沒想到卻是因為這個社會安全制度的介入，才導致了這個悲劇，這真的是值得檢討。不管是社工的身心靈、不管是出養制度等等，包括未來怎麼樣能夠評鑑，希望院長能夠落實您說的這一些話。"],["陳院長建仁：好，剴剴的這個事件確實讓我們對於整個社會安全網怎麼樣再來精進，都有很好的反省，思考未來中央、地方跟委託的單位怎麼樣來做得更好。譬如出養的時候，應該由地方政府來評估，然後在找中繼保母的時候，怎麼樣讓委託機構做更好的條件選擇，以後訪視的程序也要加強。我有請衛福部一定要在1個月內，就提出相關的改進措施。"],["張委員嘉郡：要通盤重新檢討。讓每一個無助的孩子、讓社會安全網可以接住每一個無助的孩子們。"],["陳院長建仁：對，我們的目標就是這樣。"],["張委員嘉郡：接下來，本席想要問的是關於幼兒園評鑑。這幾天有一個非常夯的新聞，就是未來準公幼即將有上百間要退場。院長有沒有看到這一個新聞？"],["陳院長建仁：有，我有看到。部長也有跟我大概說明。"],["張委員嘉郡：立法院預算中心評估報告指出，到112年7月為止，有47間幼兒園經評鑑缺失，尚未改善，遭行政處罰之後，目前為止，國教署尚未對地方政府辦理幼兒園評鑑實地訪查或者後設評鑑，這一點希望教育部要儘快做到。本席看了這個資料，不曉得目前為止評鑑訪查進度為何？您知道嗎？部長，你知道嗎？幼兒園的評鑑。"],["潘部長文忠：我們會跟地方政府一起協力去做幼兒評鑑。"],["張委員嘉郡：是。我現在想要表達的是，教育部不只是有規劃的責任，還有評鑑的責任，你不能夠只當球評，你知道嗎？你不能夠只是去批判他，你有必要當教練，你有職責去指導他，所以這個事情如果只能靠地方政府各自努力，這中間如果又發現……其實剴剴的事件真的值得我們去省思，就是該開的檢討會議都沒有開，才會發生這個事情，幼兒園評鑑也是一樣啊！"],["潘部長文忠：後續進行的詳細進度，我們整理後再跟委員說明。"],["張委員嘉郡：你們應該要能夠第一手掌握這個資訊。我想要先請問一下，院長有孫子嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：有，都很大了，都已經讀小學了，有的讀高中。"],["張委員嘉郡：你知不知道現在要去報幼兒園有多麼辛苦？要能夠找到一間風評好的幼兒園有多麼辛苦，你知道嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：我有朋友有告訴我。"],["張委員嘉郡：是不是？你應該非常清楚，要找到一間好的幼兒園又有位子非常的難！現在、馬上、可能今年就有上百家的準公幼要退場，你知道這影響的家庭跟影響的層面有多廣嗎？"],["潘部長文忠：因為這個是地方政府可能……我要講的這個很關鍵，因為第3期的合作契約條件目前都在蒐集資料，預計3月底才會確定，沒有所謂現在已經有幾百家、多少的幼兒園是不合規範的。"],["張委員嘉郡：太好了，謝謝部長。是不是在草案底定之前，能夠請部長邀集這些準公幼進行討論，把他們的心聲也講出來？雙向溝通才能夠落實，不只是讓這些準公幼能夠好好的照顧孩子，也解除家長的焦慮。你知道有多少家長打電話到我的服務處來表達，他很焦慮，如果這些準公幼退場，他的孩子怎麼辦？現在他是1期付3,000塊，假設準公幼退場，他又不想轉學，你知道他每個月的負擔要多多少嗎？本來3,000要變1萬2,000，你想多少家庭可以面臨這樣子的漲幅？"],["潘部長文忠：2、3月份因為大家都很關注，也對幼兒園的教保服務品質跟行政管理，像虐兒等等的這些其實都很關注，所以國教署在2、3月就密集討論……"],["張委員嘉郡：目前我看到的是建議他們轉學，第一，轉學要轉去哪裡？第二，你知不知道幼兒有分離焦慮？我想你可能沒辦法體會幼兒好不容易適應了一個場所之後，你讓他轉學，再一次面臨不熟悉的環境，然後會恐懼，這個分離焦慮是很多爸媽的噩夢，而且好不容易父母親、家長跟這個幼兒園建立了信任關係，你要求他轉學，家長心理壓力也非常大，這一點請部長一定要銘記於心。"],["潘部長文忠：好，我用最短時間說明，前2天教育部也看到這些新聞，我們即時澄清，也做了說明，簡單的說，3月底才會把合作的條件完全確定，然後公布，之後……"],["張委員嘉郡：這點是不是也拜託院長可以幫我們幼兒園的家長們關心這件事情……"],["陳院長建仁：當然，當然。"],["張委員嘉郡：因為大家真的都很煩惱。"],["潘部長文忠：我再講一下好了，轉換的過程當中，有一個最大的原則……"],["張委員嘉郡：我繼續講，部長，針對這個草案我還有一個問題……"],["潘部長文忠：會確保家長的權益，剛才我已經說了……"],["張委員嘉郡：部長，部長……"],["潘部長文忠：沒有，我們這句話很重要啊……"],["張委員嘉郡：我先講完。"],["潘部長文忠：好。"],["陳院長建仁：等一下給他講一下。"],["張委員嘉郡：針對你的草案，本席還有一個建議，就是我看到一個缺點，這個草案是提高公幼標準沒錯，針對不當管教之處有特別處罰的條款，要提高公幼品質我非常贊同，非常好，但怎麼會只有處罰準公幼，其他的公共化幼兒園、非營利幼兒園及私立幼兒園，都沒有一體適用，意思是說你只要管……"],["陳院長建仁：沒有啦！"],["張委員嘉郡：準公幼，這個我覺得非常奇怪，應該要一視同仁的嚴格審查才對，應該用相同的標準……"],["陳院長建仁：對，都是。"],["張委員嘉郡：但目前不是，現在……"],["潘部長文忠：委員，本來就是一致的嚴格要求……"],["陳院長建仁：對啦！"],["潘部長文忠：對公立、非營利這部分的要求，嚴格程度還勝過於對私立。委員，我剛才講，因為你要讓……"],["張委員嘉郡：所以你應該要一體適用才對啊！怎麼會是讀私立學校的不嚴格要求……"],["潘部長文忠：委員，讓我用30秒跟委員……"],["張委員嘉郡：讀私立學校就不是我們國家的小孩嗎？你也應該要一體適用，公私立都應該要。"],["潘部長文忠：不是啦！委員，就是一體適用……"],["張委員嘉郡：我現在建議……"],["陳院長建仁：標準是一體的、一致的。"],["張委員嘉郡：我跟院長和部長建議，這些受影響的家長跟孩子要怎麼照顧，你們一定要提出方案，如果沒有辦法兼顧的話，請部長一定要考量是否太倉促實施，這件事情是不是應該更認真、審慎的考慮之後再實施？因為你3月突然丟出來，我告訴你，全部家長都炸鍋了，他下學期小孩要去哪裡？你知道會影響多少的家庭嗎？"],["潘部長文忠：我現在比較完整的跟委員報告，好不好？因為……"],["張委員嘉郡：因為我還有好幾個問題，你快！"],["潘部長文忠：第一個，一定會確保這些已經在園所就讀孩子跟家長的權益，包含他的負擔，這是配套裡面最重要的方向，也是要讓家長安心……"],["張委員嘉郡：好，這也是部長的承諾，你在這裡承諾本席的。"],["潘部長文忠：當然是，而且規劃就是這樣。第二個，因為在這幾個條件裡面，過去如果品質不好的，家長其實是受害者，所以一定會有退場機制，但退場條件裡面，其實不是瞬間就要就讀的孩子馬上轉園，過去就有一學期一學年緩衝的概念，這些都是考慮到家長在照顧、安置孩子上應該有的……"],["張委員嘉郡：特別特別拜託部長，一定要落實監督……"],["陳院長建仁：有配套啦！"],["張委員嘉郡：配套，然後讓這個事情能夠讓所有家長安心……"],["潘部長文忠：委員，一定是這樣。"],["張委員嘉郡：而且這些幼兒是最無助的，最需要我們去守護的，千萬不要讓他們因為政策的改變而受到波及。","接下來我想要問有關新北校園割喉案的事件。我們發現這個少年是剛從少觀所收容回來，而少觀所的矯正效果其實非常有限，所以現在大家都在討論，是不是能夠有一個中介教育基地，讓他們能夠在那裡受到更好的心理輔導跟行為輔導？"],["潘部長文忠：是，委員，我們就是朝這樣的方向，包含跟司法院都有很密切的跨院協商，會在3月開始讓縣市跟我們一起協力，5月會設置這中間的機制，就是在 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00:01:18,027\n我是第一個道歉的。對,趕快站出來,非常佩服院長第一個站出來,因為原本應該要守護凱凱的這個社會安全制度,沒想到是因為這個社會安全制度介入才導致了這個悲劇,這真的是值得檢討,就是說不管是社工的身心靈,不管是出洋制度等等,包括說未來怎麼樣\n\n4\n00:01:18,748 --> 00:01:23,143\n能夠評鑒希望院長能夠落實您說的這些話。\n\n5\n00:01:24,675 --> 00:01:47,326\n我想台台的這個事件呢確實是讓我們對於整個社會安全網怎麼樣再來精進都有很好的這個反省那未來中央地方跟委託的單位怎麼樣來做得更好比如說出洋的時候應該由地方政府來評估然後呢再找中繼的這個保姆的時候我們怎麼樣讓這一個委託的這個機構做更好的這個條件的選擇\n\n6\n00:01:51,790 --> 00:01:54,341\n以後訪視程序也要加強。\n\n7\n00:01:55,663 --> 00:02:23,207\n這一個整個我有請我們的衛福部一定要在一個月內提出相關的感染措施。讓這個社會安全網可以接住每一個這些無助的孩子們。接下來本席就想要問有關於幼兒園評鑑。這幾天有一個非常夯的新聞就是未來準公幼即將有上百間要退場。那這一個新聞我不曉得院長有沒有看到?\n\n8\n00:02:23,587 --> 00:02:47,069\n有,我有看到。那這個部長也有跟我大概有說明。就是根據立法院的預算中心評估報告裡面也有指出在112年的7月為止有47間幼兒園經評鑑缺失尚未改善然後呢遭行政處罰之後到目前為止國教署尚未對地方政府辦理這個幼兒園評鑑\n\n9\n00:02:49,811 --> 00:03:07,161\n實地訪查或者是後設評鑑,那這一點希望教育部要盡快的來做到,因為到目前為止本席看了這個資料不曉得說評鑑訪查進度為何?您知道嗎?部長您知道嗎?幼兒園的評鑑\n\n10\n00:03:16,956 --> 00:03:33,808\n我現在想要表達的就是說教育部不只是有規劃的責任,你還有評鑑的責任。你不能夠只當求評,你知道嗎?你不能夠只是去批判他,你有必要當教練,你有職責去指導他。\n\n11\n00:03:34,748 --> 00:03:52,041\n所以呢這個事情就是說如果只能靠地方政府各自努力這中間如果又發現其實凱凱的事件真的值得我們去省思就是說該開的檢討會議都沒有開才會發生這個事情那你幼兒園評鑑也是一樣啊\n\n12\n00:03:53,581 --> 00:04:08,933\n委員這個詳細我們後續進行的進度,我們在整理後再跟委員做一個說明。就是說,你們其實應該要能夠第一手掌握這個資訊,就是說其實幼兒園,我想要先請問一下院長,你有孫子嗎?有喔,都很大,都已經成年了。\n\n13\n00:04:11,235 --> 00:04:15,018\n你應該非常清楚說要找到一間好的幼兒園然後又有位子非常的難那現在\n\n14\n00:04:34,275 --> 00:04:35,656\n這個我也跟委員報告因為這個是一個地方政府他可能\n\n15\n00:04:49,762 --> 00:05:04,911\n因為我們跟第三期我講這個很關鍵第三期的這個合作的企業條件目前都是因為在收集完資料一季3月底才會確定這沒有所謂現在已經有幾百家多少的幼兒園他是不合規範的\n\n16\n00:05:06,819 --> 00:05:35,398\n謝謝部長。就是說是不是在草案底定之前能夠請部長邀集這些准公幼進行一個討論,把他們的心聲也講出來,雙向溝通才能夠落實,不只是這些准公幼能夠好好的照顧孩子,也解除家長的焦慮。你知道有多少家長打電話到我們服務處來去表達說他很焦慮說那他孩子怎麼辦?\n\n17\n00:05:36,458 --> 00:05:36,698\n﹚張嘉郡\n\n18\n00:05:55,684 --> 00:05:58,427\n目前目前我看到的建議是說建議他們轉學第一轉學要轉去哪裡第二第二我想問你你知不知道幼兒\n\n19\n00:06:20,425 --> 00:06:20,765\n﹚張嘉郡﹚\n\n20\n00:06:43,434 --> 00:06:46,218\n因為在前兩天教育部也看到這些新聞即使的去做澄清也做說明\n\n21\n00:06:59,036 --> 00:07:01,178\n我再講一下好了。這個轉換過程當中有一個最大的原則會確保家長的權益。\n\n22\n00:07:26,186 --> 00:07:37,670\n本席還有一個建議就是我看到一個缺點就是這個草案是提高公幼標準沒錯針對不當管教之處有特別罰處罰的條款\n\n23\n00:07:40,609 --> 00:07:59,089\n我覺得要提高公幼的這個品質我非常贊同非常好但是你怎麼會只有處罰純公幼你其他的公幼你其他的這個公共幼兒園公共化幼兒園還有非營利幼兒園私立幼兒園都沒有一體適用欸\n\n24\n00:08:00,430 --> 00:08:14,526\n那所以意思說你只要滾準公用這個我覺得非常的奇怪應該是要一視同仁的嚴格審查才對啊應該用相同的標準但目前不是目前現在\n\n25\n00:08:15,447 --> 00:08:36,982\n本來就是一個一致的嚴格要求功利非營利的這一部分他的要求嚴格還勝過於對勢力那委員我剛才也先講你一定要一體適用才對啊我們去獨私立學校的一體嚴格要求他獨私立學校就不是我們國家的小孩嗎你也應該要一體適用公私立你都應該要我現在建議我也給院長跟部長建議就是說\n\n26\n00:08:44,628 --> 00:09:07,543\n這些受影響的家長跟孩子要怎麼照顧,然後一定要提出方案來,如果沒有辦法兼顧的話,請部長一定要考量說是否太倉促實施了,這件事情是不是應該更認真的然後審慎的考慮之後再實施,因為你3月你突然丟出來,我告訴你,\n\n27\n00:09:08,544 --> 00:09:09,305\n因為我還有好幾個問題你快\n\n28\n00:09:21,752 --> 00:09:21,872\n﹚張嘉郡\n\n29\n00:09:39,497 --> 00:09:40,278\n特別拜託部長一定要落實監督配套\n\n30\n00:10:03,297 --> 00:10:31,729\n然後讓這個事情能夠讓所有的家長安心而且這些幼兒是最無助的最需要我們去守護的千萬不要讓他們因為這個政策的改變受到波及那接下來我想要問有關於這個新北校園割喉案發生其實我們發現說這個少年剛從這個校官所收容回來那其實校官所的矯正效果其實非常有限所以現在呢\n\n31\n00:10:32,509 --> 00:10:42,944\n大家都在討論說是不是能夠有一個中介教育基地讓他們能夠在那裡受到更好的心理輔導跟行為輔導。\n\n32\n00:10:44,577 --> 00:11:02,859\n是,委員,我們就是朝這樣的方向在跟,包含跟司法院,其實有很密切跨院的協商,就會在3月開始讓縣市跟我們一起協力,5月會設置這個中介的基地,就是在否、復選少年跟司法少年當中,尤其有可能被...那個一定要盡速的去實施,到...\n\n33\n00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:26,989\n我也想有一個問題想要請教院長就是強化校園安全跟教師管理權這件事情假設今天陳院長是陳老師A同學來跟你檢舉說B同學的包包裡有一支彈簧刀你可以在這裡告訴我說你的SOP是什麼嗎可以示範給全國老師知道說陳老師如果接到這個\n\n34\n00:11:28,825 --> 00:11:46,600\n這個訊息之後你應該怎麼做?因為一個SOP一定要業務單位會比較清楚啦現在建立的就是一個SOP你先不要回答嘛我要問院長啊院長、老師、陳老師你要收他書包嗎?\n\n35\n00:11:50,535 --> 00:12:08,180\n現在的SOP是怎麼樣我不是很清楚但是如果說這一個孩子是有比較特別的孩子高關懷的孩子的話那我會用更謹慎的方式來處理\n\n36\n00:12:10,164 --> 00:12:25,492\n那我會來考慮看看怎麼樣來瞭解他。這是所有老師現在面對的。你知道因為沒有SOP他不知道說我要收他的書包嗎?甚至說如果被學生攻擊怎麼辦?\n\n37\n00:12:26,252 --> 00:12:54,758\n如果說他收了他書包他家長告他怎麼辦老師也很無助耶他不知道怎麼做過去校園裡面是有教官在維護校園安全甚至導正行為但是中央政府政策民進黨的政策就是要這個教官退出校園那現在面對這些校園安全甚至行為偏差的孩子沒有人可以去矯正他我知道說教育部提出了部長是不是叫做學務創新人力是不是有這個\n\n38\n00:12:55,683 --> 00:13:16,121\n那個是因為教官離退後會增加一點二倍的人力是就是說學務創新人力是目的是要取代教官的因為他本來就要補強這個創新人力他包含校園安全包含心理輔導的專業都可以讓學校來徵聘是但是呢這個是不是每一個學校都需要\n\n39\n00:13:17,358 --> 00:13:22,682\n為什麼?教育部訂定了高級中學學務創新人力的要點,他明定補助的對象只有國立跟全國私立高級中學,現立的高中不予補助。\n\n40\n00:13:42,798 --> 00:13:59,250\n這不是很匪夷所思嗎?你中央政策你要欠服買單,然後這樣子這財務比較狀況不好的現實政府會增加負擔?不會增加,原來的不管公立、國立,他的人事費的費用就是在原來的教官的薪水\n\n41\n00:13:59,710 --> 00:14:04,275\n希望部長能夠一視同仁,能夠去支持一下這個學務創新人才。最後我想要問一點,現在行政院在推動那個偏鄉學校精進午餐方案,\n\n42\n00:14:40,629 --> 00:15:01,304\n如果相較於臺北,我們整個雲林縣都是偏遠學校啊。這上面的回答是說,因為山區跟非市區的一般學校相對弱勢,午餐費亦相對減低,所以你不補助他。我覺得這也很扯耶。\n\n43\n00:15:02,105 --> 00:15:03,585\n謝謝張委員嘉郡的質詢。謝謝陳院長備詢。接下來登記第5號范雲委員\n\n44\n00:15:32,305 --> 00:15:34,889\n質詢已書面提出。請行政院\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2884\t6506\t主席我想請陳院長請陳院長備詢院長最近發生了一件讓社會大家都為之髮指非常難過的悲劇就是凱凱的這個虐童事件我不曉得你有沒有看到這個新聞當然有而且我也有在\n29196\t34919\t這一點就是本席想要提出的,院長中央跟地方不能夠互相推責。\n49947\t78027\t我是第一個道歉的。對,趕快站出來,非常佩服院長第一個站出來,因為原本應該要守護凱凱的這個社會安全制度,沒想到是因為這個社會安全制度介入才導致了這個悲劇,這真的是值得檢討,就是說不管是社工的身心靈,不管是出洋制度等等,包括說未來怎麼樣\n78748\t83143\t能夠評鑒希望院長能夠落實您說的這些話。\n84675\t107326\t我想台台的這個事件呢確實是讓我們對於整個社會安全網怎麼樣再來精進都有很好的這個反省那未來中央地方跟委託的單位怎麼樣來做得更好比如說出洋的時候應該由地方政府來評估然後呢再找中繼的這個保姆的時候我們怎麼樣讓這一個委託的這個機構做更好的這個條件的選擇\n111790\t114341\t以後訪視程序也要加強。\n115663\t143207\t這一個整個我有請我們的衛福部一定要在一個月內提出相關的感染措施。讓這個社會安全網可以接住每一個這些無助的孩子們。接下來本席就想要問有關於幼兒園評鑑。這幾天有一個非常夯的新聞就是未來準公幼即將有上百間要退場。那這一個新聞我不曉得院長有沒有看到?\n143587\t167069\t有,我有看到。那這個部長也有跟我大概有說明。就是根據立法院的預算中心評估報告裡面也有指出在112年的7月為止有47間幼兒園經評鑑缺失尚未改善然後呢遭行政處罰之後到目前為止國教署尚未對地方政府辦理這個幼兒園評鑑\n169811\t187161\t實地訪查或者是後設評鑑,那這一點希望教育部要盡快的來做到,因為到目前為止本席看了這個資料不曉得說評鑑訪查進度為何?您知道嗎?部長您知道嗎?幼兒園的評鑑\n196956\t213808\t我現在想要表達的就是說教育部不只是有規劃的責任,你還有評鑑的責任。你不能夠只當求評,你知道嗎?你不能夠只是去批判他,你有必要當教練,你有職責去指導他。\n214748\t232041\t所以呢這個事情就是說如果只能靠地方政府各自努力這中間如果又發現其實凱凱的事件真的值得我們去省思就是說該開的檢討會議都沒有開才會發生這個事情那你幼兒園評鑑也是一樣啊\n233581\t248933\t委員這個詳細我們後續進行的進度,我們在整理後再跟委員做一個說明。就是說,你們其實應該要能夠第一手掌握這個資訊,就是說其實幼兒園,我想要先請問一下院長,你有孫子嗎?有喔,都很大,都已經成年了。\n251235\t255018\t你應該非常清楚說要找到一間好的幼兒園然後又有位子非常的難那現在\n274275\t275656\t這個我也跟委員報告因為這個是一個地方政府他可能\n289762\t304911\t因為我們跟第三期我講這個很關鍵第三期的這個合作的企業條件目前都是因為在收集完資料一季3月底才會確定這沒有所謂現在已經有幾百家多少的幼兒園他是不合規範的\n306819\t335398\t謝謝部長。就是說是不是在草案底定之前能夠請部長邀集這些准公幼進行一個討論,把他們的心聲也講出來,雙向溝通才能夠落實,不只是這些准公幼能夠好好的照顧孩子,也解除家長的焦慮。你知道有多少家長打電話到我們服務處來去表達說他很焦慮說那他孩子怎麼辦?\n336458\t336698\t﹚張嘉郡\n355684\t358427\t目前目前我看到的建議是說建議他們轉學第一轉學要轉去哪裡第二第二我想問你你知不知道幼兒\n380425\t380765\t﹚張嘉郡﹚\n403434\t406218\t因為在前兩天教育部也看到這些新聞即使的去做澄清也做說明\n419036\t421178\t我再講一下好了。這個轉換過程當中有一個最大的原則會確保家長的權益。\n446186\t457670\t本席還有一個建議就是我看到一個缺點就是這個草案是提高公幼標準沒錯針對不當管教之處有特別罰處罰的條款\n460609\t479089\t我覺得要提高公幼的這個品質我非常贊同非常好但是你怎麼會只有處罰純公幼你其他的公幼你其他的這個公共幼兒園公共化幼兒園還有非營利幼兒園私立幼兒園都沒有一體適用欸\n480430\t494526\t那所以意思說你只要滾準公用這個我覺得非常的奇怪應該是要一視同仁的嚴格審查才對啊應該用相同的標準但目前不是目前現在\n495447\t516982\t本來就是一個一致的嚴格要求功利非營利的這一部分他的要求嚴格還勝過於對勢力那委員我剛才也先講你一定要一體適用才對啊我們去獨私立學校的一體嚴格要求他獨私立學校就不是我們國家的小孩嗎你也應該要一體適用公私立你都應該要我現在建議我也給院長跟部長建議就是說\n524628\t547543\t這些受影響的家長跟孩子要怎麼照顧,然後一定要提出方案來,如果沒有辦法兼顧的話,請部長一定要考量說是否太倉促實施了,這件事情是不是應該更認真的然後審慎的考慮之後再實施,因為你3月你突然丟出來,我告訴你,\n548544\t549305\t因為我還有好幾個問題你快\n561752\t561872\t﹚張嘉郡\n579497\t580278\t特別拜託部長一定要落實監督配套\n603297\t631729\t然後讓這個事情能夠讓所有的家長安心而且這些幼兒是最無助的最需要我們去守護的千萬不要讓他們因為這個政策的改變受到波及那接下來我想要問有關於這個新北校園割喉案發生其實我們發現說這個少年剛從這個校官所收容回來那其實校官所的矯正效果其實非常有限所以現在呢\n632509\t642944\t大家都在討論說是不是能夠有一個中介教育基地讓他們能夠在那裡受到更好的心理輔導跟行為輔導。\n644577\t662859\t是,委員,我們就是朝這樣的方向在跟,包含跟司法院,其實有很密切跨院的協商,就會在3月開始讓縣市跟我們一起協力,5月會設置這個中介的基地,就是在否、復選少年跟司法少年當中,尤其有可能被...那個一定要盡速的去實施,到...\n663720\t686989\t我也想有一個問題想要請教院長就是強化校園安全跟教師管理權這件事情假設今天陳院長是陳老師A同學來跟你檢舉說B同學的包包裡有一支彈簧刀你可以在這裡告訴我說你的SOP是什麼嗎可以示範給全國老師知道說陳老師如果接到這個\n688825\t706600\t這個訊息之後你應該怎麼做?因為一個SOP一定要業務單位會比較清楚啦現在建立的就是一個SOP你先不要回答嘛我要問院長啊院長、老師、陳老師你要收他書包嗎?\n710535\t728180\t現在的SOP是怎麼樣我不是很清楚但是如果說這一個孩子是有比較特別的孩子高關懷的孩子的話那我會用更謹慎的方式來處理\n730164\t745492\t那我會來考慮看看怎麼樣來瞭解他。這是所有老師現在面對的。你知道因為沒有SOP他不知道說我要收他的書包嗎?甚至說如果被學生攻擊怎麼辦?\n746252\t774758\t如果說他收了他書包他家長告他怎麼辦老師也很無助耶他不知道怎麼做過去校園裡面是有教官在維護校園安全甚至導正行為但是中央政府政策民進黨的政策就是要這個教官退出校園那現在面對這些校園安全甚至行為偏差的孩子沒有人可以去矯正他我知道說教育部提出了部長是不是叫做學務創新人力是不是有這個\n775683\t796121\t那個是因為教官離退後會增加一點二倍的人力是就是說學務創新人力是目的是要取代教官的因為他本來就要補強這個創新人力他包含校園安全包含心理輔導的專業都可以讓學校來徵聘是但是呢這個是不是每一個學校都需要\n797358\t802682\t為什麼?教育部訂定了高級中學學務創新人力的要點,他明定補助的對象只有國立跟全國私立高級中學,現立的高中不予補助。\n822798\t839250\t這不是很匪夷所思嗎?你中央政策你要欠服買單,然後這樣子這財務比較狀況不好的現實政府會增加負擔?不會增加,原來的不管公立、國立,他的人事費的費用就是在原來的教官的薪水\n839710\t844275\t希望部長能夠一視同仁,能夠去支持一下這個學務創新人才。最後我想要問一點,現在行政院在推動那個偏鄉學校精進午餐方案,\n863814\t880299\t﹗\n880629\t901304\t如果相較於臺北,我們整個雲林縣都是偏遠學校啊。這上面的回答是說,因為山區跟非市區的一般學校相對弱勢,午餐費亦相對減低,所以你不補助他。我覺得這也很扯耶。\n902105\t903585\t謝謝張委員嘉郡的質詢。謝謝陳院長備詢。接下來登記第5號范雲委員\n932305\t934889\t質詢已書面提出。請行政院\n","txt":"主席我想請陳院長請陳院長備詢院長最近發生了一件讓社會大家都為之髮指非常難過的悲劇就是凱凱的這個虐童事件我不曉得你有沒有看到這個新聞當然有而且我也有在\n這一點就是本席想要提出的,院長中央跟地方不能夠互相推責。\n我是第一個道歉的。對,趕快站出來,非常佩服院長第一個站出來,因為原本應該要守護凱凱的這個社會安全制度,沒想到是因為這個社會安全制度介入才導致了這個悲劇,這真的是值得檢討,就是說不管是社工的身心靈,不管是出洋制度等等,包括說未來怎麼樣\n能夠評鑒希望院長能夠落實您說的這些話。\n我想台台的這個事件呢確實是讓我們對於整個社會安全網怎麼樣再來精進都有很好的這個反省那未來中央地方跟委託的單位怎麼樣來做得更好比如說出洋的時候應該由地方政府來評估然後呢再找中繼的這個保姆的時候我們怎麼樣讓這一個委託的這個機構做更好的這個條件的選擇\n以後訪視程序也要加強。\n這一個整個我有請我們的衛福部一定要在一個月內提出相關的感染措施。讓這個社會安全網可以接住每一個這些無助的孩子們。接下來本席就想要問有關於幼兒園評鑑。這幾天有一個非常夯的新聞就是未來準公幼即將有上百間要退場。那這一個新聞我不曉得院長有沒有看到?\n有,我有看到。那這個部長也有跟我大概有說明。就是根據立法院的預算中心評估報告裡面也有指出在112年的7月為止有47間幼兒園經評鑑缺失尚未改善然後呢遭行政處罰之後到目前為止國教署尚未對地方政府辦理這個幼兒園評鑑\n實地訪查或者是後設評鑑,那這一點希望教育部要盡快的來做到,因為到目前為止本席看了這個資料不曉得說評鑑訪查進度為何?您知道嗎?部長您知道嗎?幼兒園的評鑑\n我現在想要表達的就是說教育部不只是有規劃的責任,你還有評鑑的責任。你不能夠只當求評,你知道嗎?你不能夠只是去批判他,你有必要當教練,你有職責去指導他。\n所以呢這個事情就是說如果只能靠地方政府各自努力這中間如果又發現其實凱凱的事件真的值得我們去省思就是說該開的檢討會議都沒有開才會發生這個事情那你幼兒園評鑑也是一樣啊\n委員這個詳細我們後續進行的進度,我們在整理後再跟委員做一個說明。就是說,你們其實應該要能夠第一手掌握這個資訊,就是說其實幼兒園,我想要先請問一下院長,你有孫子嗎?有喔,都很大,都已經成年了。\n你應該非常清楚說要找到一間好的幼兒園然後又有位子非常的難那現在\n這個我也跟委員報告因為這個是一個地方政府他可能\n因為我們跟第三期我講這個很關鍵第三期的這個合作的企業條件目前都是因為在收集完資料一季3月底才會確定這沒有所謂現在已經有幾百家多少的幼兒園他是不合規範的\n謝謝部長。就是說是不是在草案底定之前能夠請部長邀集這些准公幼進行一個討論,把他們的心聲也講出來,雙向溝通才能夠落實,不只是這些准公幼能夠好好的照顧孩子,也解除家長的焦慮。你知道有多少家長打電話到我們服務處來去表達說他很焦慮說那他孩子怎麼辦?\n﹚張嘉郡\n目前目前我看到的建議是說建議他們轉學第一轉學要轉去哪裡第二第二我想問你你知不知道幼兒\n﹚張嘉郡﹚\n因為在前兩天教育部也看到這些新聞即使的去做澄清也做說明\n我再講一下好了。這個轉換過程當中有一個最大的原則會確保家長的權益。\n本席還有一個建議就是我看到一個缺點就是這個草案是提高公幼標準沒錯針對不當管教之處有特別罰處罰的條款\n我覺得要提高公幼的這個品質我非常贊同非常好但是你怎麼會只有處罰純公幼你其他的公幼你其他的這個公共幼兒園公共化幼兒園還有非營利幼兒園私立幼兒園都沒有一體適用欸\n那所以意思說你只要滾準公用這個我覺得非常的奇怪應該是要一視同仁的嚴格審查才對啊應該用相同的標準但目前不是目前現在\n本來就是一個一致的嚴格要求功利非營利的這一部分他的要求嚴格還勝過於對勢力那委員我剛才也先講你一定要一體適用才對啊我們去獨私立學校的一體嚴格要求他獨私立學校就不是我們國家的小孩嗎你也應該要一體適用公私立你都應該要我現在建議我也給院長跟部長建議就是說\n這些受影響的家長跟孩子要怎麼照顧,然後一定要提出方案來,如果沒有辦法兼顧的話,請部長一定要考量說是否太倉促實施了,這件事情是不是應該更認真的然後審慎的考慮之後再實施,因為你3月你突然丟出來,我告訴你,\n因為我還有好幾個問題你快\n﹚張嘉郡\n特別拜託部長一定要落實監督配套\n然後讓這個事情能夠讓所有的家長安心而且這些幼兒是最無助的最需要我們去守護的千萬不要讓他們因為這個政策的改變受到波及那接下來我想要問有關於這個新北校園割喉案發生其實我們發現說這個少年剛從這個校官所收容回來那其實校官所的矯正效果其實非常有限所以現在呢\n大家都在討論說是不是能夠有一個中介教育基地讓他們能夠在那裡受到更好的心理輔導跟行為輔導。\n是,委員,我們就是朝這樣的方向在跟,包含跟司法院,其實有很密切跨院的協商,就會在3月開始讓縣市跟我們一起協力,5月會設置這個中介的基地,就是在否、復選少年跟司法少年當中,尤其有可能被...那個一定要盡速的去實施,到...\n我也想有一個問題想要請教院長就是強化校園安全跟教師管理權這件事情假設今天陳院長是陳老師A同學來跟你檢舉說B同學的包包裡有一支彈簧刀你可以在這裡告訴我說你的SOP是什麼嗎可以示範給全國老師知道說陳老師如果接到這個\n這個訊息之後你應該怎麼做?因為一個SOP一定要業務單位會比較清楚啦現在建立的就是一個SOP你先不要回答嘛我要問院長啊院長、老師、陳老師你要收他書包嗎?\n現在的SOP是怎麼樣我不是很清楚但是如果說這一個孩子是有比較特別的孩子高關懷的孩子的話那我會用更謹慎的方式來處理\n那我會來考慮看看怎麼樣來瞭解他。這是所有老師現在面對的。你知道因為沒有SOP他不知道說我要收他的書包嗎?甚至說如果被學生攻擊怎麼辦?\n如果說他收了他書包他家長告他怎麼辦老師也很無助耶他不知道怎麼做過去校園裡面是有教官在維護校園安全甚至導正行為但是中央政府政策民進黨的政策就是要這個教官退出校園那現在面對這些校園安全甚至行為偏差的孩子沒有人可以去矯正他我知道說教育部提出了部長是不是叫做學務創新人力是不是有這個\n那個是因為教官離退後會增加一點二倍的人力是就是說學務創新人力是目的是要取代教官的因為他本來就要補強這個創新人力他包含校園安全包含心理輔導的專業都可以讓學校來徵聘是但是呢這個是不是每一個學校都需要\n為什麼?教育部訂定了高級中學學務創新人力的要點,他明定補助的對象只有國立跟全國私立高級中學,現立的高中不予補助。\n這不是很匪夷所思嗎?你中央政策你要欠服買單,然後這樣子這財務比較狀況不好的現實政府會增加負擔?不會增加,原來的不管公立、國立,他的人事費的費用就是在原來的教官的薪水\n希望部長能夠一視同仁,能夠去支持一下這個學務創新人才。最後我想要問一點,現在行政院在推動那個偏鄉學校精進午餐方案,\n﹗\n如果相較於臺北,我們整個雲林縣都是偏遠學校啊。這上面的回答是說,因為山區跟非市區的一般學校相對弱勢,午餐費亦相對減低,所以你不補助他。我覺得這也很扯耶。\n謝謝張委員嘉郡的質詢。謝謝陳院長備詢。接下來登記第5號范雲委員\n質詢已書面提出。請行政院\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.884 --> 00:06.506\n主席我想請陳院長請陳院長備詢院長最近發生了一件讓社會大家都為之髮指非常難過的悲劇就是凱凱的這個虐童事件我不曉得你有沒有看到這個新聞當然有而且我也有在\n\n00:29.196 --> 00:34.919\n這一點就是本席想要提出的,院長中央跟地方不能夠互相推責。\n\n00:49.947 --> 01:18.027\n我是第一個道歉的。對,趕快站出來,非常佩服院長第一個站出來,因為原本應該要守護凱凱的這個社會安全制度,沒想到是因為這個社會安全制度介入才導致了這個悲劇,這真的是值得檢討,就是說不管是社工的身心靈,不管是出洋制度等等,包括說未來怎麼樣\n\n01:18.748 --> 01:23.143\n能夠評鑒希望院長能夠落實您說的這些話。\n\n01:24.675 --> 01:47.326\n我想台台的這個事件呢確實是讓我們對於整個社會安全網怎麼樣再來精進都有很好的這個反省那未來中央地方跟委託的單位怎麼樣來做得更好比如說出洋的時候應該由地方政府來評估然後呢再找中繼的這個保姆的時候我們怎麼樣讓這一個委託的這個機構做更好的這個條件的選擇\n\n01:51.790 --> 01:54.341\n以後訪視程序也要加強。\n\n01:55.663 --> 02:23.207\n這一個整個我有請我們的衛福部一定要在一個月內提出相關的感染措施。讓這個社會安全網可以接住每一個這些無助的孩子們。接下來本席就想要問有關於幼兒園評鑑。這幾天有一個非常夯的新聞就是未來準公幼即將有上百間要退場。那這一個新聞我不曉得院長有沒有看到?\n\n02:23.587 --> 02:47.069\n有,我有看到。那這個部長也有跟我大概有說明。就是根據立法院的預算中心評估報告裡面也有指出在112年的7月為止有47間幼兒園經評鑑缺失尚未改善然後呢遭行政處罰之後到目前為止國教署尚未對地方政府辦理這個幼兒園評鑑\n\n02:49.811 --> 03:07.161\n實地訪查或者是後設評鑑,那這一點希望教育部要盡快的來做到,因為到目前為止本席看了這個資料不曉得說評鑑訪查進度為何?您知道嗎?部長您知道嗎?幼兒園的評鑑\n\n03:16.956 --> 03:33.808\n我現在想要表達的就是說教育部不只是有規劃的責任,你還有評鑑的責任。你不能夠只當求評,你知道嗎?你不能夠只是去批判他,你有必要當教練,你有職責去指導他。\n\n03:34.748 --> 03:52.041\n所以呢這個事情就是說如果只能靠地方政府各自努力這中間如果又發現其實凱凱的事件真的值得我們去省思就是說該開的檢討會議都沒有開才會發生這個事情那你幼兒園評鑑也是一樣啊\n\n03:53.581 --> 04:08.933\n委員這個詳細我們後續進行的進度,我們在整理後再跟委員做一個說明。就是說,你們其實應該要能夠第一手掌握這個資訊,就是說其實幼兒園,我想要先請問一下院長,你有孫子嗎?有喔,都很大,都已經成年了。\n\n04:11.235 --> 04:15.018\n你應該非常清楚說要找到一間好的幼兒園然後又有位子非常的難那現在\n\n04:34.275 --> 04:35.656\n這個我也跟委員報告因為這個是一個地方政府他可能\n\n04:49.762 --> 05:04.911\n因為我們跟第三期我講這個很關鍵第三期的這個合作的企業條件目前都是因為在收集完資料一季3月底才會確定這沒有所謂現在已經有幾百家多少的幼兒園他是不合規範的\n\n05:06.819 --> 05:35.398\n謝謝部長。就是說是不是在草案底定之前能夠請部長邀集這些准公幼進行一個討論,把他們的心聲也講出來,雙向溝通才能夠落實,不只是這些准公幼能夠好好的照顧孩子,也解除家長的焦慮。你知道有多少家長打電話到我們服務處來去表達說他很焦慮說那他孩子怎麼辦?\n\n05:36.458 --> 05:36.698\n﹚張嘉郡\n\n05:55.684 --> 05:58.427\n目前目前我看到的建議是說建議他們轉學第一轉學要轉去哪裡第二第二我想問你你知不知道幼兒\n\n06:20.425 --> 06:20.765\n﹚張嘉郡﹚\n\n06:43.434 --> 06:46.218\n因為在前兩天教育部也看到這些新聞即使的去做澄清也做說明\n\n06:59.036 --> 07:01.178\n我再講一下好了。這個轉換過程當中有一個最大的原則會確保家長的權益。\n\n07:26.186 --> 07:37.670\n本席還有一個建議就是我看到一個缺點就是這個草案是提高公幼標準沒錯針對不當管教之處有特別罰處罰的條款\n\n07:40.609 --> 07:59.089\n我覺得要提高公幼的這個品質我非常贊同非常好但是你怎麼會只有處罰純公幼你其他的公幼你其他的這個公共幼兒園公共化幼兒園還有非營利幼兒園私立幼兒園都沒有一體適用欸\n\n08:00.430 --> 08:14.526\n那所以意思說你只要滾準公用這個我覺得非常的奇怪應該是要一視同仁的嚴格審查才對啊應該用相同的標準但目前不是目前現在\n\n08:15.447 --> 08:36.982\n本來就是一個一致的嚴格要求功利非營利的這一部分他的要求嚴格還勝過於對勢力那委員我剛才也先講你一定要一體適用才對啊我們去獨私立學校的一體嚴格要求他獨私立學校就不是我們國家的小孩嗎你也應該要一體適用公私立你都應該要我現在建議我也給院長跟部長建議就是說\n\n08:44.628 --> 09:07.543\n這些受影響的家長跟孩子要怎麼照顧,然後一定要提出方案來,如果沒有辦法兼顧的話,請部長一定要考量說是否太倉促實施了,這件事情是不是應該更認真的然後審慎的考慮之後再實施,因為你3月你突然丟出來,我告訴你,\n\n09:08.544 --> 09:09.305\n因為我還有好幾個問題你快\n\n09:21.752 --> 09:21.872\n﹚張嘉郡\n\n09:39.497 --> 09:40.278\n特別拜託部長一定要落實監督配套\n\n10:03.297 --> 10:31.729\n然後讓這個事情能夠讓所有的家長安心而且這些幼兒是最無助的最需要我們去守護的千萬不要讓他們因為這個政策的改變受到波及那接下來我想要問有關於這個新北校園割喉案發生其實我們發現說這個少年剛從這個校官所收容回來那其實校官所的矯正效果其實非常有限所以現在呢\n\n10:32.509 --> 10:42.944\n大家都在討論說是不是能夠有一個中介教育基地讓他們能夠在那裡受到更好的心理輔導跟行為輔導。\n\n10:44.577 --> 11:02.859\n是,委員,我們就是朝這樣的方向在跟,包含跟司法院,其實有很密切跨院的協商,就會在3月開始讓縣市跟我們一起協力,5月會設置這個中介的基地,就是在否、復選少年跟司法少年當中,尤其有可能被...那個一定要盡速的去實施,到...\n\n11:03.720 --> 11:26.989\n我也想有一個問題想要請教院長就是強化校園安全跟教師管理權這件事情假設今天陳院長是陳老師A同學來跟你檢舉說B同學的包包裡有一支彈簧刀你可以在這裡告訴我說你的SOP是什麼嗎可以示範給全國老師知道說陳老師如果接到這個\n\n11:28.825 --> 11:46.600\n這個訊息之後你應該怎麼做?因為一個SOP一定要業務單位會比較清楚啦現在建立的就是一個SOP你先不要回答嘛我要問院長啊院長、老師、陳老師你要收他書包嗎?\n\n11:50.535 --> 12:08.180\n現在的SOP是怎麼樣我不是很清楚但是如果說這一個孩子是有比較特別的孩子高關懷的孩子的話那我會用更謹慎的方式來處理\n\n12:10.164 --> 12:25.492\n那我會來考慮看看怎麼樣來瞭解他。這是所有老師現在面對的。你知道因為沒有SOP他不知道說我要收他的書包嗎?甚至說如果被學生攻擊怎麼辦?\n\n12:26.252 --> 12:54.758\n如果說他收了他書包他家長告他怎麼辦老師也很無助耶他不知道怎麼做過去校園裡面是有教官在維護校園安全甚至導正行為但是中央政府政策民進黨的政策就是要這個教官退出校園那現在面對這些校園安全甚至行為偏差的孩子沒有人可以去矯正他我知道說教育部提出了部長是不是叫做學務創新人力是不是有這個\n\n12:55.683 --> 13:16.121\n那個是因為教官離退後會增加一點二倍的人力是就是說學務創新人力是目的是要取代教官的因為他本來就要補強這個創新人力他包含校園安全包含心理輔導的專業都可以讓學校來徵聘是但是呢這個是不是每一個學校都需要\n\n13:17.358 --> 13:22.682\n為什麼?教育部訂定了高級中學學務創新人力的要點,他明定補助的對象只有國立跟全國私立高級中學,現立的高中不予補助。\n\n13:42.798 --> 13:59.250\n這不是很匪夷所思嗎?你中央政策你要欠服買單,然後這樣子這財務比較狀況不好的現實政府會增加負擔?不會增加,原來的不管公立、國立,他的人事費的費用就是在原來的教官的薪水\n\n13:59.710 --> 14:04.275\n希望部長能夠一視同仁,能夠去支持一下這個學務創新人才。最後我想要問一點,現在行政院在推動那個偏鄉學校精進午餐方案,\n\n14:40.629 --> 15:01.304\n如果相較於臺北,我們整個雲林縣都是偏遠學校啊。這上面的回答是說,因為山區跟非市區的一般學校相對弱勢,午餐費亦相對減低,所以你不補助他。我覺得這也很扯耶。\n\n15:02.105 --> 15:03.585\n謝謝張委員嘉郡的質詢。謝謝陳院長備詢。接下來登記第5號范雲委員\n\n15:32.305 --> 15:34.889\n質詢已書面提出。請行政院\n\n","segments":[{"start":2.884,"end":6.506,"text":"主席我想請陳院長請陳院長備詢院長最近發生了一件讓社會大家都為之髮指非常難過的悲劇就是凱凱的這個虐童事件我不曉得你有沒有看到這個新聞當然有而且我也有在"},{"start":29.196,"end":34.919,"text":"這一點就是本席想要提出的,院長中央跟地方不能夠互相推責。"},{"start":49.947,"end":78.027,"text":"我是第一個道歉的。對,趕快站出來,非常佩服院長第一個站出來,因為原本應該要守護凱凱的這個社會安全制度,沒想到是因為這個社會安全制度介入才導致了這個悲劇,這真的是值得檢討,就是說不管是社工的身心靈,不管是出洋制度等等,包括說未來怎麼樣"},{"start":78.748,"end":83.143,"text":"能夠評鑒希望院長能夠落實您說的這些話。"},{"start":84.675,"end":107.326,"text":"我想台台的這個事件呢確實是讓我們對於整個社會安全網怎麼樣再來精進都有很好的這個反省那未來中央地方跟委託的單位怎麼樣來做得更好比如說出洋的時候應該由地方政府來評估然後呢再找中繼的這個保姆的時候我們怎麼樣讓這一個委託的這個機構做更好的這個條件的選擇"},{"start":111.79,"end":114.341,"text":"以後訪視程序也要加強。"},{"start":115.663,"end":143.207,"text":"這一個整個我有請我們的衛福部一定要在一個月內提出相關的感染措施。讓這個社會安全網可以接住每一個這些無助的孩子們。接下來本席就想要問有關於幼兒園評鑑。這幾天有一個非常夯的新聞就是未來準公幼即將有上百間要退場。那這一個新聞我不曉得院長有沒有看到?"},{"start":143.587,"end":167.069,"text":"有,我有看到。那這個部長也有跟我大概有說明。就是根據立法院的預算中心評估報告裡面也有指出在112年的7月為止有47間幼兒園經評鑑缺失尚未改善然後呢遭行政處罰之後到目前為止國教署尚未對地方政府辦理這個幼兒園評鑑"},{"start":169.811,"end":187.161,"text":"實地訪查或者是後設評鑑,那這一點希望教育部要盡快的來做到,因為到目前為止本席看了這個資料不曉得說評鑑訪查進度為何?您知道嗎?部長您知道嗎?幼兒園的評鑑"},{"start":196.956,"end":213.808,"text":"我現在想要表達的就是說教育部不只是有規劃的責任,你還有評鑑的責任。你不能夠只當求評,你知道嗎?你不能夠只是去批判他,你有必要當教練,你有職責去指導他。"},{"start":214.748,"end":232.041,"text":"所以呢這個事情就是說如果只能靠地方政府各自努力這中間如果又發現其實凱凱的事件真的值得我們去省思就是說該開的檢討會議都沒有開才會發生這個事情那你幼兒園評鑑也是一樣啊"},{"start":233.581,"end":248.933,"text":"委員這個詳細我們後續進行的進度,我們在整理後再跟委員做一個說明。就是說,你們其實應該要能夠第一手掌握這個資訊,就是說其實幼兒園,我想要先請問一下院長,你有孫子嗎?有喔,都很大,都已經成年了。"},{"start":251.235,"end":255.018,"text":"你應該非常清楚說要找到一間好的幼兒園然後又有位子非常的難那現在"},{"start":274.275,"end":275.656,"text":"這個我也跟委員報告因為這個是一個地方政府他可能"},{"start":289.762,"end":304.911,"text":"因為我們跟第三期我講這個很關鍵第三期的這個合作的企業條件目前都是因為在收集完資料一季3月底才會確定這沒有所謂現在已經有幾百家多少的幼兒園他是不合規範的"},{"start":306.819,"end":335.398,"text":"謝謝部長。就是說是不是在草案底定之前能夠請部長邀集這些准公幼進行一個討論,把他們的心聲也講出來,雙向溝通才能夠落實,不只是這些准公幼能夠好好的照顧孩子,也解除家長的焦慮。你知道有多少家長打電話到我們服務處來去表達說他很焦慮說那他孩子怎麼辦?"},{"start":336.458,"end":336.698,"text":"﹚張嘉郡"},{"start":355.684,"end":358.427,"text":"目前目前我看到的建議是說建議他們轉學第一轉學要轉去哪裡第二第二我想問你你知不知道幼兒"},{"start":380.425,"end":380.765,"text":"﹚張嘉郡﹚"},{"start":403.434,"end":406.218,"text":"因為在前兩天教育部也看到這些新聞即使的去做澄清也做說明"},{"start":419.036,"end":421.178,"text":"我再講一下好了。這個轉換過程當中有一個最大的原則會確保家長的權益。"},{"start":446.186,"end":457.67,"text":"本席還有一個建議就是我看到一個缺點就是這個草案是提高公幼標準沒錯針對不當管教之處有特別罰處罰的條款"},{"start":460.609,"end":479.089,"text":"我覺得要提高公幼的這個品質我非常贊同非常好但是你怎麼會只有處罰純公幼你其他的公幼你其他的這個公共幼兒園公共化幼兒園還有非營利幼兒園私立幼兒園都沒有一體適用欸"},{"start":480.43,"end":494.526,"text":"那所以意思說你只要滾準公用這個我覺得非常的奇怪應該是要一視同仁的嚴格審查才對啊應該用相同的標準但目前不是目前現在"},{"start":495.447,"end":516.982,"text":"本來就是一個一致的嚴格要求功利非營利的這一部分他的要求嚴格還勝過於對勢力那委員我剛才也先講你一定要一體適用才對啊我們去獨私立學校的一體嚴格要求他獨私立學校就不是我們國家的小孩嗎你也應該要一體適用公私立你都應該要我現在建議我也給院長跟部長建議就是說"},{"start":524.628,"end":547.543,"text":"這些受影響的家長跟孩子要怎麼照顧,然後一定要提出方案來,如果沒有辦法兼顧的話,請部長一定要考量說是否太倉促實施了,這件事情是不是應該更認真的然後審慎的考慮之後再實施,因為你3月你突然丟出來,我告訴你,"},{"start":548.544,"end":549.305,"text":"因為我還有好幾個問題你快"},{"start":561.752,"end":561.872,"text":"﹚張嘉郡"},{"start":579.497,"end":580.278,"text":"特別拜託部長一定要落實監督配套"},{"start":603.297,"end":631.729,"text":"然後讓這個事情能夠讓所有的家長安心而且這些幼兒是最無助的最需要我們去守護的千萬不要讓他們因為這個政策的改變受到波及那接下來我想要問有關於這個新北校園割喉案發生其實我們發現說這個少年剛從這個校官所收容回來那其實校官所的矯正效果其實非常有限所以現在呢"},{"start":632.509,"end":642.944,"text":"大家都在討論說是不是能夠有一個中介教育基地讓他們能夠在那裡受到更好的心理輔導跟行為輔導。"},{"start":644.577,"end":662.859,"text":"是,委員,我們就是朝這樣的方向在跟,包含跟司法院,其實有很密切跨院的協商,就會在3月開始讓縣市跟我們一起協力,5月會設置這個中介的基地,就是在否、復選少年跟司法少年當中,尤其有可能被...那個一定要盡速的去實施,到..."},{"start":663.72,"end":686.989,"text":"我也想有一個問題想要請教院長就是強化校園安全跟教師管理權這件事情假設今天陳院長是陳老師A同學來跟你檢舉說B同學的包包裡有一支彈簧刀你可以在這裡告訴我說你的SOP是什麼嗎可以示範給全國老師知道說陳老師如果接到這個"},{"start":688.825,"end":706.6,"text":"這個訊息之後你應該怎麼做?因為一個SOP一定要業務單位會比較清楚啦現在建立的就是一個SOP你先不要回答嘛我要問院長啊院長、老師、陳老師你要收他書包嗎?"},{"start":710.535,"end":728.18,"text":"現在的SOP是怎麼樣我不是很清楚但是如果說這一個孩子是有比較特別的孩子高關懷的孩子的話那我會用更謹慎的方式來處理"},{"start":730.164,"end":745.492,"text":"那我會來考慮看看怎麼樣來瞭解他。這是所有老師現在面對的。你知道因為沒有SOP他不知道說我要收他的書包嗎?甚至說如果被學生攻擊怎麼辦?"},{"start":746.252,"end":774.758,"text":"如果說他收了他書包他家長告他怎麼辦老師也很無助耶他不知道怎麼做過去校園裡面是有教官在維護校園安全甚至導正行為但是中央政府政策民進黨的政策就是要這個教官退出校園那現在面對這些校園安全甚至行為偏差的孩子沒有人可以去矯正他我知道說教育部提出了部長是不是叫做學務創新人力是不是有這個"},{"start":775.683,"end":796.121,"text":"那個是因為教官離退後會增加一點二倍的人力是就是說學務創新人力是目的是要取代教官的因為他本來就要補強這個創新人力他包含校園安全包含心理輔導的專業都可以讓學校來徵聘是但是呢這個是不是每一個學校都需要"},{"start":797.358,"end":802.682,"text":"為什麼?教育部訂定了高級中學學務創新人力的要點,他明定補助的對象只有國立跟全國私立高級中學,現立的高中不予補助。"},{"start":822.798,"end":839.25,"text":"這不是很匪夷所思嗎?你中央政策你要欠服買單,然後這樣子這財務比較狀況不好的現實政府會增加負擔?不會增加,原來的不管公立、國立,他的人事費的費用就是在原來的教官的薪水"},{"start":839.71,"end":844.275,"text":"希望部長能夠一視同仁,能夠去支持一下這個學務創新人才。最後我想要問一點,現在行政院在推動那個偏鄉學校精進午餐方案,"},{"start":863.814,"end":880.299,"text":"﹗"},{"start":880.629,"end":901.304,"text":"如果相較於臺北,我們整個雲林縣都是偏遠學校啊。這上面的回答是說,因為山區跟非市區的一般學校相對弱勢,午餐費亦相對減低,所以你不補助他。我覺得這也很扯耶。"},{"start":902.105,"end":903.585,"text":"謝謝張委員嘉郡的質詢。謝謝陳院長備詢。接下來登記第5號范雲委員"},{"start":932.305,"end":934.889,"text":"質詢已書面提出。請行政院"}]}}}}