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00:02:08,582\n陳秀寳議員\n\n7\n00:02:26,495 --> 00:02:54,222\n這個議題其實不管是說我在委員會還是說部長您來的時候其實我有跟你討論過那學校呢因為每次跟地方的教育局處反映他們都會說經費比較拮据沒有辦法支應所以學校都只能期望教育部這邊來協助那在經費有著落之前我們的孩子就必須一直在這樣子要持續修善的這樣的空間裡面活動只能這樣子繼續使用覺得讓人家覺得也很不捨也很心疼\n\n8\n00:02:54,622 --> 00:02:54,642\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n9\n00:03:34,352 --> 00:03:52,220\n好,謝謝委員,我想委員也了解,因為很關心教育,所以這幾年,我要謝謝我們行政院院長這邊,其實都好幾個專案,不管是操場,尤其老舊校舍應該是最優先,整整花了快500億,那現在委員所提到的這些活動中心等,如果\n\n10\n00:03:52,780 --> 00:03:54,801\n目前短影印很盛行,院長您看過短影印嗎?有。\n\n11\n00:04:16,277 --> 00:04:30,706\n對於通常他時間很短大概30秒到40秒不會超過1分鐘時間很短那種很簡單很浮誇甚至有些情境是很撒狗血的那最有名就是現在比較常使用的像抖音小紅書都很熱門\n\n12\n00:04:32,987 --> 00:04:58,293\n那不否認其實看短影音是很好殺時間的因為它是一種快速的傳達然後快速的接收那很多人手機滑下去就是一段一段一直滑下去也蠻容易讓人家上癮的那為什麼短影音很盛行其實因為很省時間很快速那短影音也帶給目前這些網路的世代呢很多被看見的機會他們製作短影音然後PO上去然後可能就會有很多人看了內容覺得有趣覺得生動就會點讚\n\n13\n00:05:00,373 --> 00:05:02,236\n目前很多孩子對短影音都相當沉迷無法自拔\n\n14\n00:05:14,349 --> 00:05:33,938\n本席今天在這邊沒有要跟院長跟部長來討論說禁止的這個問題因為不管你是禁止不禁止其實我們現在的國中生、高中生甚至小學生他們使用短影音已經都是他們的生活日常那本席在這邊想要討論就是說短影音帶給我們孩子的影響以及我們從教育端如何來協助\n\n15\n00:05:34,898 --> 00:05:34,918\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n16\n00:06:00,023 --> 00:06:20,069\n所以其實這些影響其實我們大人來聽都覺得應該還好但何況是這些還沒有成熟的孩子他們不理解不了解說這樣子的短影音的使用對他們可能會造成怎樣一個很大的影響那而且還有一個部分這些短影音很多使用的是簡體中文\n\n17\n00:06:21,269 --> 00:06:38,634\n我們的孩子長期大量的觀看這些簡體中文的這短影音的時候其實將來也會弱化孩子對於繁體中文的認知那院長及部長你們到目前面對這樣子的狀況你們有什麼方式要來影音有什麼措施規劃嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:40,317 --> 00:06:57,205\n我看委員你這個牌子寫得很好就是說我們需要來教導孩子判斷的能力然後任何的短語音我不敢說都是不好有好有壞的那怎麼樣去做判斷然後老師要\n\n19\n00:06:57,985 --> 00:07:01,849\n院長您講出了本席要提醒的就是說我們要讓孩子瞭解自己看到的是什麼也要協助教師來增加相關的知能\n\n20\n00:07:18,926 --> 00:07:18,946\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n21\n00:07:39,065 --> 00:08:03,724\n教學的這些老師們應該要進行了解如果我們只是告訴孩子說不要看、不能看這是效益很低的方式那我們透過了解教學現場的狀況那我們做出相關的規劃及整理而且要透過孩子可以理解可以接受的方式來辦理第二個希望說我們要教育孩子讓孩子知道自己看的是什麼進而來判斷自己是不是需要這樣子的訊息\n\n22\n00:08:04,505 --> 00:08:04,525\n陳秀寳議員\n\n23\n00:08:24,973 --> 00:08:24,993\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n24\n00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:53,492\n教師徵能課程的可能性端影音的影響是很長期而且很深遠的那教育部也應該要持續的長期的來收集教學現場的狀況並且納入教師徵能的課程\n\n25\n00:08:59,961 --> 00:09:17,320\n有教師的權利協助才能夠有教師的權利協助來提供這樣的訊息給教育部你們才能夠正確的做出一個相當可以妥善處理的一個規劃那而且必須要我們教育部的支持\n\n26\n00:09:17,660 --> 00:09:17,940\n部長您覺得?\n\n27\n00:09:45,766 --> 00:10:11,731\n謝謝委員很好的這樣的一個建議那我跟委員報告因為我們推進進中小學的數位計劃其實當中對於師資培訓是一個非常幾乎是全面性這當中因為資訊素養會是一個關鍵委員關心的這個短影音還有委員之前也關心網路霸凌甚至有詐騙等等的這一些都是在我們網路資訊素養裡面非常重要的內容\n\n28\n00:10:12,051 --> 00:10:37,170\n那現在委員有提到一個真的要幫助老師我們都能夠有一些教案,因為有些教案來給老師進行這方面的學生的指導會是更具體的。所以我們除了會持續的增能,老師的增能之外,我想再增加更多,因為這個變化非常的快。我們也希望在這上面隨時能夠支持老師在這上面在指導學生的時候能夠有一個更好的這樣的一個教程。\n\n29\n00:10:37,350 --> 00:10:37,890\n接下來是\n\n30\n00:11:13,100 --> 00:11:28,167\n接下來是本期一直很關心的城市語言教育的這個規劃那目前我們對城市語言教育的討論都非常的熱烈那房間甚至已經有城市語言的補習班暫停一下時間暫停時間可以了\n\n31\n00:11:41,829 --> 00:11:58,125\n甚至有私立的國中、國小把扎實的城市語言教育列為他們招生的一個宣傳。院長,請問您是不是同意接觸語言城市的教育是越早越好?\n\n32\n00:11:58,889 --> 00:12:22,948\n當然是了。我也很早,我的孩子,孫子們他們學得比較早。也很早就讓他有這樣子的機會來接受這個教育。那蘋果公司的執行長庫克有提到,其實他認為說城市語言教育從小就應該開始。甚至表示說城市語言是世界唯一的通用語言。這個部分請問院長跟部長您同意嗎?我同意。\n\n33\n00:12:26,431 --> 00:12:47,123\n其實城市語言向下延伸也是本席一直十分關心的項目也是我的政見之一那我在這邊要著重的是實務面的運用包含希望有明確的目標以及協助教師實際的作為那我們的新課綱是有納入城市語言教育這個部分是不是部長這邊先簡要的說明一下\n\n34\n00:12:47,383 --> 00:13:13,249\n是,謝謝委員,因為之前我們其實在高校部分,各個不管其他領域,城市、語言的這些學習是各個學校都全面的推開。那委員在提到的往下扎根,這是一個很重要的延伸。所以在12年國教課綱裡面,那麼國小,國中、高中都有科技領域,這當中裡面,因為這是學生不定必修的課程,\n\n35\n00:13:13,729 --> 00:13:13,749\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n36\n00:13:32,503 --> 00:13:34,525\n我在這邊大概有搜尋了一些國際間城市語言教育的例子希望針對可以加強的部分提出來跟院長跟部長討論\n\n37\n00:13:50,461 --> 00:13:51,021\n韓國國中課程\n\n38\n00:14:05,748 --> 00:14:24,295\n在沙尼亞的部分是將城市語言教育納入國小的課程規劃但是你看一下這幾個國家他們都是很明確的目標有明確的師資而且有全國一致性的教材規劃跟我們國內的這個方向不太一樣我發現說我們教育部規劃出來的方向就是一個大方向\n\n39\n00:14:25,015 --> 00:14:40,673\n並沒有很明確的規劃跟目標覺得這樣子好像有點不足因為我們希望我們孩子是可以確實的有一些目標來完成例如說我們可以確實完成編碼等等的訓練讓在每一個期程每一個學期教育的一個段落都是有一個目標來達成\n\n40\n00:14:41,894 --> 00:14:41,914\n陳秀寳議員\n\n41\n00:15:12,194 --> 00:15:29,469\n委員,國高中是不定課程,既有課程也一定要有師資啦。那小學我剛才跟委員補充報告,當時課綱雖然沒有定到科技領域,但是教育部其實是請國教院提出了這個。那師資的這部分還有他們的內容,我想這部分,謝謝委員這邊在提醒,我想我會再請\n\n42\n00:15:30,289 --> 00:15:30,549\n他們在盤一下。\n\n43\n00:15:58,882 --> 00:16:00,527\n謝謝,謝謝陳委員秀寳的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第7號。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10755\t20920\t葉主席葉主席請行政院長陳建仁院長以及潘文忠部長請陳院長教育部備詢陳委員長\n26812\t45841\t院長好部長好首先呢我在這邊要先呃代表秀寶選區的鄉親們先感謝院長現在已經正式核定呃美港公路高加化啊秀寶從第十屆上任以來一直不斷的追蹤協調爭取經過一個藉其的努力\n46241\t69750\t那很感謝院長的支持給鄉親一條安全回家的路那在這之前雖然也發生幾件遺憾的事件但我們痛定思痛我們盡快的來改善我們盡快來對這個部分來處理那這個後續呢我也會持續的來追蹤這個進度也希望院長這邊的能夠督促交通部盡快的辦理相關的程序\n70490\t92144\t我很佩服委員關心地方的交通建設,真的是民眾的福氣。謝謝院長。本席在立法院從上個屆起到現在一直都教育委員會。我也一直致力的在關心孩子們的教育以及我們學習的環境。那在這邊呢,我先跟院長跟部長這邊請教。\n93985\t112722\t⋯⋯⋯\n112782\t127060\t但是隨著時間因為很多選區的學校像我反映他們的這些活動中心陸續的都會有漏水、地瓶破損還有牆面裂開的這樣的狀況已經大概都借使用的期限了。\n128562\t128582\t陳秀寳議員\n146495\t174222\t這個議題其實不管是說我在委員會還是說部長您來的時候其實我有跟你討論過那學校呢因為每次跟地方的教育局處反映他們都會說經費比較拮据沒有辦法支應所以學校都只能期望教育部這邊來協助那在經費有著落之前我們的孩子就必須一直在這樣子要持續修善的這樣的空間裡面活動只能這樣子繼續使用覺得讓人家覺得也很不捨也很心疼\n174622\t174642\t﹚陳秀寳\n197039\t214292\t﹗\n214352\t232220\t好,謝謝委員,我想委員也了解,因為很關心教育,所以這幾年,我要謝謝我們行政院院長這邊,其實都好幾個專案,不管是操場,尤其老舊校舍應該是最優先,整整花了快500億,那現在委員所提到的這些活動中心等,如果\n232780\t234801\t目前短影印很盛行,院長您看過短影印嗎?有。\n256277\t270706\t對於通常他時間很短大概30秒到40秒不會超過1分鐘時間很短那種很簡單很浮誇甚至有些情境是很撒狗血的那最有名就是現在比較常使用的像抖音小紅書都很熱門\n272987\t298293\t那不否認其實看短影音是很好殺時間的因為它是一種快速的傳達然後快速的接收那很多人手機滑下去就是一段一段一直滑下去也蠻容易讓人家上癮的那為什麼短影音很盛行其實因為很省時間很快速那短影音也帶給目前這些網路的世代呢很多被看見的機會他們製作短影音然後PO上去然後可能就會有很多人看了內容覺得有趣覺得生動就會點讚\n300373\t302236\t目前很多孩子對短影音都相當沉迷無法自拔\n314349\t333938\t本席今天在這邊沒有要跟院長跟部長來討論說禁止的這個問題因為不管你是禁止不禁止其實我們現在的國中生、高中生甚至小學生他們使用短影音已經都是他們的生活日常那本席在這邊想要討論就是說短影音帶給我們孩子的影響以及我們從教育端如何來協助\n334898\t334918\t﹚陳秀寳\n360023\t380069\t所以其實這些影響其實我們大人來聽都覺得應該還好但何況是這些還沒有成熟的孩子他們不理解不了解說這樣子的短影音的使用對他們可能會造成怎樣一個很大的影響那而且還有一個部分這些短影音很多使用的是簡體中文\n381269\t398634\t我們的孩子長期大量的觀看這些簡體中文的這短影音的時候其實將來也會弱化孩子對於繁體中文的認知那院長及部長你們到目前面對這樣子的狀況你們有什麼方式要來影音有什麼措施規劃嗎?\n400317\t417205\t我看委員你這個牌子寫得很好就是說我們需要來教導孩子判斷的能力然後任何的短語音我不敢說都是不好有好有壞的那怎麼樣去做判斷然後老師要\n417985\t421849\t院長您講出了本席要提醒的就是說我們要讓孩子瞭解自己看到的是什麼也要協助教師來增加相關的知能\n438926\t438946\t﹚陳秀寳\n459065\t483724\t教學的這些老師們應該要進行了解如果我們只是告訴孩子說不要看、不能看這是效益很低的方式那我們透過了解教學現場的狀況那我們做出相關的規劃及整理而且要透過孩子可以理解可以接受的方式來辦理第二個希望說我們要教育孩子讓孩子知道自己看的是什麼進而來判斷自己是不是需要這樣子的訊息\n484505\t484525\t陳秀寳議員\n504973\t504993\t﹚陳秀寳\n523760\t533492\t教師徵能課程的可能性端影音的影響是很長期而且很深遠的那教育部也應該要持續的長期的來收集教學現場的狀況並且納入教師徵能的課程\n539961\t557320\t有教師的權利協助才能夠有教師的權利協助來提供這樣的訊息給教育部你們才能夠正確的做出一個相當可以妥善處理的一個規劃那而且必須要我們教育部的支持\n557660\t557940\t部長您覺得?\n585766\t611731\t謝謝委員很好的這樣的一個建議那我跟委員報告因為我們推進進中小學的數位計劃其實當中對於師資培訓是一個非常幾乎是全面性這當中因為資訊素養會是一個關鍵委員關心的這個短影音還有委員之前也關心網路霸凌甚至有詐騙等等的這一些都是在我們網路資訊素養裡面非常重要的內容\n612051\t637170\t那現在委員有提到一個真的要幫助老師我們都能夠有一些教案,因為有些教案來給老師進行這方面的學生的指導會是更具體的。所以我們除了會持續的增能,老師的增能之外,我想再增加更多,因為這個變化非常的快。我們也希望在這上面隨時能夠支持老師在這上面在指導學生的時候能夠有一個更好的這樣的一個教程。\n637350\t637890\t接下來是\n673100\t688167\t接下來是本期一直很關心的城市語言教育的這個規劃那目前我們對城市語言教育的討論都非常的熱烈那房間甚至已經有城市語言的補習班暫停一下時間暫停時間可以了\n701829\t718125\t甚至有私立的國中、國小把扎實的城市語言教育列為他們招生的一個宣傳。院長,請問您是不是同意接觸語言城市的教育是越早越好?\n718889\t742948\t當然是了。我也很早,我的孩子,孫子們他們學得比較早。也很早就讓他有這樣子的機會來接受這個教育。那蘋果公司的執行長庫克有提到,其實他認為說城市語言教育從小就應該開始。甚至表示說城市語言是世界唯一的通用語言。這個部分請問院長跟部長您同意嗎?我同意。\n746431\t767123\t其實城市語言向下延伸也是本席一直十分關心的項目也是我的政見之一那我在這邊要著重的是實務面的運用包含希望有明確的目標以及協助教師實際的作為那我們的新課綱是有納入城市語言教育這個部分是不是部長這邊先簡要的說明一下\n767383\t793249\t是,謝謝委員,因為之前我們其實在高校部分,各個不管其他領域,城市、語言的這些學習是各個學校都全面的推開。那委員在提到的往下扎根,這是一個很重要的延伸。所以在12年國教課綱裡面,那麼國小,國中、高中都有科技領域,這當中裡面,因為這是學生不定必修的課程,\n793729\t793749\t﹚陳秀寳\n812503\t814525\t我在這邊大概有搜尋了一些國際間城市語言教育的例子希望針對可以加強的部分提出來跟院長跟部長討論\n830461\t831021\t韓國國中課程\n845748\t864295\t在沙尼亞的部分是將城市語言教育納入國小的課程規劃但是你看一下這幾個國家他們都是很明確的目標有明確的師資而且有全國一致性的教材規劃跟我們國內的這個方向不太一樣我發現說我們教育部規劃出來的方向就是一個大方向\n865015\t880673\t並沒有很明確的規劃跟目標覺得這樣子好像有點不足因為我們希望我們孩子是可以確實的有一些目標來完成例如說我們可以確實完成編碼等等的訓練讓在每一個期程每一個學期教育的一個段落都是有一個目標來達成\n881894\t881914\t陳秀寳議員\n912194\t929469\t委員,國高中是不定課程,既有課程也一定要有師資啦。那小學我剛才跟委員補充報告,當時課綱雖然沒有定到科技領域,但是教育部其實是請國教院提出了這個。那師資的這部分還有他們的內容,我想這部分,謝謝委員這邊在提醒,我想我會再請\n930289\t930549\t他們在盤一下。\n958882\t960527\t謝謝,謝謝陳委員秀寳的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第7號。\n","txt":"葉主席葉主席請行政院長陳建仁院長以及潘文忠部長請陳院長教育部備詢陳委員長\n院長好部長好首先呢我在這邊要先呃代表秀寶選區的鄉親們先感謝院長現在已經正式核定呃美港公路高加化啊秀寶從第十屆上任以來一直不斷的追蹤協調爭取經過一個藉其的努力\n那很感謝院長的支持給鄉親一條安全回家的路那在這之前雖然也發生幾件遺憾的事件但我們痛定思痛我們盡快的來改善我們盡快來對這個部分來處理那這個後續呢我也會持續的來追蹤這個進度也希望院長這邊的能夠督促交通部盡快的辦理相關的程序\n我很佩服委員關心地方的交通建設,真的是民眾的福氣。謝謝院長。本席在立法院從上個屆起到現在一直都教育委員會。我也一直致力的在關心孩子們的教育以及我們學習的環境。那在這邊呢,我先跟院長跟部長這邊請教。\n⋯⋯⋯\n但是隨著時間因為很多選區的學校像我反映他們的這些活動中心陸續的都會有漏水、地瓶破損還有牆面裂開的這樣的狀況已經大概都借使用的期限了。\n陳秀寳議員\n這個議題其實不管是說我在委員會還是說部長您來的時候其實我有跟你討論過那學校呢因為每次跟地方的教育局處反映他們都會說經費比較拮据沒有辦法支應所以學校都只能期望教育部這邊來協助那在經費有著落之前我們的孩子就必須一直在這樣子要持續修善的這樣的空間裡面活動只能這樣子繼續使用覺得讓人家覺得也很不捨也很心疼\n﹚陳秀寳\n﹗\n好,謝謝委員,我想委員也了解,因為很關心教育,所以這幾年,我要謝謝我們行政院院長這邊,其實都好幾個專案,不管是操場,尤其老舊校舍應該是最優先,整整花了快500億,那現在委員所提到的這些活動中心等,如果\n目前短影印很盛行,院長您看過短影印嗎?有。\n對於通常他時間很短大概30秒到40秒不會超過1分鐘時間很短那種很簡單很浮誇甚至有些情境是很撒狗血的那最有名就是現在比較常使用的像抖音小紅書都很熱門\n那不否認其實看短影音是很好殺時間的因為它是一種快速的傳達然後快速的接收那很多人手機滑下去就是一段一段一直滑下去也蠻容易讓人家上癮的那為什麼短影音很盛行其實因為很省時間很快速那短影音也帶給目前這些網路的世代呢很多被看見的機會他們製作短影音然後PO上去然後可能就會有很多人看了內容覺得有趣覺得生動就會點讚\n目前很多孩子對短影音都相當沉迷無法自拔\n本席今天在這邊沒有要跟院長跟部長來討論說禁止的這個問題因為不管你是禁止不禁止其實我們現在的國中生、高中生甚至小學生他們使用短影音已經都是他們的生活日常那本席在這邊想要討論就是說短影音帶給我們孩子的影響以及我們從教育端如何來協助\n﹚陳秀寳\n所以其實這些影響其實我們大人來聽都覺得應該還好但何況是這些還沒有成熟的孩子他們不理解不了解說這樣子的短影音的使用對他們可能會造成怎樣一個很大的影響那而且還有一個部分這些短影音很多使用的是簡體中文\n我們的孩子長期大量的觀看這些簡體中文的這短影音的時候其實將來也會弱化孩子對於繁體中文的認知那院長及部長你們到目前面對這樣子的狀況你們有什麼方式要來影音有什麼措施規劃嗎?\n我看委員你這個牌子寫得很好就是說我們需要來教導孩子判斷的能力然後任何的短語音我不敢說都是不好有好有壞的那怎麼樣去做判斷然後老師要\n院長您講出了本席要提醒的就是說我們要讓孩子瞭解自己看到的是什麼也要協助教師來增加相關的知能\n﹚陳秀寳\n教學的這些老師們應該要進行了解如果我們只是告訴孩子說不要看、不能看這是效益很低的方式那我們透過了解教學現場的狀況那我們做出相關的規劃及整理而且要透過孩子可以理解可以接受的方式來辦理第二個希望說我們要教育孩子讓孩子知道自己看的是什麼進而來判斷自己是不是需要這樣子的訊息\n陳秀寳議員\n﹚陳秀寳\n教師徵能課程的可能性端影音的影響是很長期而且很深遠的那教育部也應該要持續的長期的來收集教學現場的狀況並且納入教師徵能的課程\n有教師的權利協助才能夠有教師的權利協助來提供這樣的訊息給教育部你們才能夠正確的做出一個相當可以妥善處理的一個規劃那而且必須要我們教育部的支持\n部長您覺得?\n謝謝委員很好的這樣的一個建議那我跟委員報告因為我們推進進中小學的數位計劃其實當中對於師資培訓是一個非常幾乎是全面性這當中因為資訊素養會是一個關鍵委員關心的這個短影音還有委員之前也關心網路霸凌甚至有詐騙等等的這一些都是在我們網路資訊素養裡面非常重要的內容\n那現在委員有提到一個真的要幫助老師我們都能夠有一些教案,因為有些教案來給老師進行這方面的學生的指導會是更具體的。所以我們除了會持續的增能,老師的增能之外,我想再增加更多,因為這個變化非常的快。我們也希望在這上面隨時能夠支持老師在這上面在指導學生的時候能夠有一個更好的這樣的一個教程。\n接下來是\n接下來是本期一直很關心的城市語言教育的這個規劃那目前我們對城市語言教育的討論都非常的熱烈那房間甚至已經有城市語言的補習班暫停一下時間暫停時間可以了\n甚至有私立的國中、國小把扎實的城市語言教育列為他們招生的一個宣傳。院長,請問您是不是同意接觸語言城市的教育是越早越好?\n當然是了。我也很早,我的孩子,孫子們他們學得比較早。也很早就讓他有這樣子的機會來接受這個教育。那蘋果公司的執行長庫克有提到,其實他認為說城市語言教育從小就應該開始。甚至表示說城市語言是世界唯一的通用語言。這個部分請問院長跟部長您同意嗎?我同意。\n其實城市語言向下延伸也是本席一直十分關心的項目也是我的政見之一那我在這邊要著重的是實務面的運用包含希望有明確的目標以及協助教師實際的作為那我們的新課綱是有納入城市語言教育這個部分是不是部長這邊先簡要的說明一下\n是,謝謝委員,因為之前我們其實在高校部分,各個不管其他領域,城市、語言的這些學習是各個學校都全面的推開。那委員在提到的往下扎根,這是一個很重要的延伸。所以在12年國教課綱裡面,那麼國小,國中、高中都有科技領域,這當中裡面,因為這是學生不定必修的課程,\n﹚陳秀寳\n我在這邊大概有搜尋了一些國際間城市語言教育的例子希望針對可以加強的部分提出來跟院長跟部長討論\n韓國國中課程\n在沙尼亞的部分是將城市語言教育納入國小的課程規劃但是你看一下這幾個國家他們都是很明確的目標有明確的師資而且有全國一致性的教材規劃跟我們國內的這個方向不太一樣我發現說我們教育部規劃出來的方向就是一個大方向\n並沒有很明確的規劃跟目標覺得這樣子好像有點不足因為我們希望我們孩子是可以確實的有一些目標來完成例如說我們可以確實完成編碼等等的訓練讓在每一個期程每一個學期教育的一個段落都是有一個目標來達成\n陳秀寳議員\n委員,國高中是不定課程,既有課程也一定要有師資啦。那小學我剛才跟委員補充報告,當時課綱雖然沒有定到科技領域,但是教育部其實是請國教院提出了這個。那師資的這部分還有他們的內容,我想這部分,謝謝委員這邊在提醒,我想我會再請\n他們在盤一下。\n謝謝,謝謝陳委員秀寳的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第7號。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.755 --> 00:20.920\n葉主席葉主席請行政院長陳建仁院長以及潘文忠部長請陳院長教育部備詢陳委員長\n\n00:26.812 --> 00:45.841\n院長好部長好首先呢我在這邊要先呃代表秀寶選區的鄉親們先感謝院長現在已經正式核定呃美港公路高加化啊秀寶從第十屆上任以來一直不斷的追蹤協調爭取經過一個藉其的努力\n\n00:46.241 --> 01:09.750\n那很感謝院長的支持給鄉親一條安全回家的路那在這之前雖然也發生幾件遺憾的事件但我們痛定思痛我們盡快的來改善我們盡快來對這個部分來處理那這個後續呢我也會持續的來追蹤這個進度也希望院長這邊的能夠督促交通部盡快的辦理相關的程序\n\n01:10.490 --> 01:32.144\n我很佩服委員關心地方的交通建設,真的是民眾的福氣。謝謝院長。本席在立法院從上個屆起到現在一直都教育委員會。我也一直致力的在關心孩子們的教育以及我們學習的環境。那在這邊呢,我先跟院長跟部長這邊請教。\n\n01:52.782 --> 02:07.060\n但是隨著時間因為很多選區的學校像我反映他們的這些活動中心陸續的都會有漏水、地瓶破損還有牆面裂開的這樣的狀況已經大概都借使用的期限了。\n\n02:08.562 --> 02:08.582\n陳秀寳議員\n\n02:26.495 --> 02:54.222\n這個議題其實不管是說我在委員會還是說部長您來的時候其實我有跟你討論過那學校呢因為每次跟地方的教育局處反映他們都會說經費比較拮据沒有辦法支應所以學校都只能期望教育部這邊來協助那在經費有著落之前我們的孩子就必須一直在這樣子要持續修善的這樣的空間裡面活動只能這樣子繼續使用覺得讓人家覺得也很不捨也很心疼\n\n02:54.622 --> 02:54.642\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n03:34.352 --> 03:52.220\n好,謝謝委員,我想委員也了解,因為很關心教育,所以這幾年,我要謝謝我們行政院院長這邊,其實都好幾個專案,不管是操場,尤其老舊校舍應該是最優先,整整花了快500億,那現在委員所提到的這些活動中心等,如果\n\n03:52.780 --> 03:54.801\n目前短影印很盛行,院長您看過短影印嗎?有。\n\n04:16.277 --> 04:30.706\n對於通常他時間很短大概30秒到40秒不會超過1分鐘時間很短那種很簡單很浮誇甚至有些情境是很撒狗血的那最有名就是現在比較常使用的像抖音小紅書都很熱門\n\n04:32.987 --> 04:58.293\n那不否認其實看短影音是很好殺時間的因為它是一種快速的傳達然後快速的接收那很多人手機滑下去就是一段一段一直滑下去也蠻容易讓人家上癮的那為什麼短影音很盛行其實因為很省時間很快速那短影音也帶給目前這些網路的世代呢很多被看見的機會他們製作短影音然後PO上去然後可能就會有很多人看了內容覺得有趣覺得生動就會點讚\n\n05:00.373 --> 05:02.236\n目前很多孩子對短影音都相當沉迷無法自拔\n\n05:14.349 --> 05:33.938\n本席今天在這邊沒有要跟院長跟部長來討論說禁止的這個問題因為不管你是禁止不禁止其實我們現在的國中生、高中生甚至小學生他們使用短影音已經都是他們的生活日常那本席在這邊想要討論就是說短影音帶給我們孩子的影響以及我們從教育端如何來協助\n\n05:34.898 --> 05:34.918\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n06:00.023 --> 06:20.069\n所以其實這些影響其實我們大人來聽都覺得應該還好但何況是這些還沒有成熟的孩子他們不理解不了解說這樣子的短影音的使用對他們可能會造成怎樣一個很大的影響那而且還有一個部分這些短影音很多使用的是簡體中文\n\n06:21.269 --> 06:38.634\n我們的孩子長期大量的觀看這些簡體中文的這短影音的時候其實將來也會弱化孩子對於繁體中文的認知那院長及部長你們到目前面對這樣子的狀況你們有什麼方式要來影音有什麼措施規劃嗎?\n\n06:40.317 --> 06:57.205\n我看委員你這個牌子寫得很好就是說我們需要來教導孩子判斷的能力然後任何的短語音我不敢說都是不好有好有壞的那怎麼樣去做判斷然後老師要\n\n06:57.985 --> 07:01.849\n院長您講出了本席要提醒的就是說我們要讓孩子瞭解自己看到的是什麼也要協助教師來增加相關的知能\n\n07:18.926 --> 07:18.946\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n07:39.065 --> 08:03.724\n教學的這些老師們應該要進行了解如果我們只是告訴孩子說不要看、不能看這是效益很低的方式那我們透過了解教學現場的狀況那我們做出相關的規劃及整理而且要透過孩子可以理解可以接受的方式來辦理第二個希望說我們要教育孩子讓孩子知道自己看的是什麼進而來判斷自己是不是需要這樣子的訊息\n\n08:04.505 --> 08:04.525\n陳秀寳議員\n\n08:24.973 --> 08:24.993\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n08:43.760 --> 08:53.492\n教師徵能課程的可能性端影音的影響是很長期而且很深遠的那教育部也應該要持續的長期的來收集教學現場的狀況並且納入教師徵能的課程\n\n08:59.961 --> 09:17.320\n有教師的權利協助才能夠有教師的權利協助來提供這樣的訊息給教育部你們才能夠正確的做出一個相當可以妥善處理的一個規劃那而且必須要我們教育部的支持\n\n09:17.660 --> 09:17.940\n部長您覺得?\n\n09:45.766 --> 10:11.731\n謝謝委員很好的這樣的一個建議那我跟委員報告因為我們推進進中小學的數位計劃其實當中對於師資培訓是一個非常幾乎是全面性這當中因為資訊素養會是一個關鍵委員關心的這個短影音還有委員之前也關心網路霸凌甚至有詐騙等等的這一些都是在我們網路資訊素養裡面非常重要的內容\n\n10:12.051 --> 10:37.170\n那現在委員有提到一個真的要幫助老師我們都能夠有一些教案,因為有些教案來給老師進行這方面的學生的指導會是更具體的。所以我們除了會持續的增能,老師的增能之外,我想再增加更多,因為這個變化非常的快。我們也希望在這上面隨時能夠支持老師在這上面在指導學生的時候能夠有一個更好的這樣的一個教程。\n\n10:37.350 --> 10:37.890\n接下來是\n\n11:13.100 --> 11:28.167\n接下來是本期一直很關心的城市語言教育的這個規劃那目前我們對城市語言教育的討論都非常的熱烈那房間甚至已經有城市語言的補習班暫停一下時間暫停時間可以了\n\n11:41.829 --> 11:58.125\n甚至有私立的國中、國小把扎實的城市語言教育列為他們招生的一個宣傳。院長,請問您是不是同意接觸語言城市的教育是越早越好?\n\n11:58.889 --> 12:22.948\n當然是了。我也很早,我的孩子,孫子們他們學得比較早。也很早就讓他有這樣子的機會來接受這個教育。那蘋果公司的執行長庫克有提到,其實他認為說城市語言教育從小就應該開始。甚至表示說城市語言是世界唯一的通用語言。這個部分請問院長跟部長您同意嗎?我同意。\n\n12:26.431 --> 12:47.123\n其實城市語言向下延伸也是本席一直十分關心的項目也是我的政見之一那我在這邊要著重的是實務面的運用包含希望有明確的目標以及協助教師實際的作為那我們的新課綱是有納入城市語言教育這個部分是不是部長這邊先簡要的說明一下\n\n12:47.383 --> 13:13.249\n是,謝謝委員,因為之前我們其實在高校部分,各個不管其他領域,城市、語言的這些學習是各個學校都全面的推開。那委員在提到的往下扎根,這是一個很重要的延伸。所以在12年國教課綱裡面,那麼國小,國中、高中都有科技領域,這當中裡面,因為這是學生不定必修的課程,\n\n13:13.729 --> 13:13.749\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n13:32.503 --> 13:34.525\n我在這邊大概有搜尋了一些國際間城市語言教育的例子希望針對可以加強的部分提出來跟院長跟部長討論\n\n13:50.461 --> 13:51.021\n韓國國中課程\n\n14:05.748 --> 14:24.295\n在沙尼亞的部分是將城市語言教育納入國小的課程規劃但是你看一下這幾個國家他們都是很明確的目標有明確的師資而且有全國一致性的教材規劃跟我們國內的這個方向不太一樣我發現說我們教育部規劃出來的方向就是一個大方向\n\n14:25.015 --> 14:40.673\n並沒有很明確的規劃跟目標覺得這樣子好像有點不足因為我們希望我們孩子是可以確實的有一些目標來完成例如說我們可以確實完成編碼等等的訓練讓在每一個期程每一個學期教育的一個段落都是有一個目標來達成\n\n14:41.894 --> 14:41.914\n陳秀寳議員\n\n15:12.194 --> 15:29.469\n委員,國高中是不定課程,既有課程也一定要有師資啦。那小學我剛才跟委員補充報告,當時課綱雖然沒有定到科技領域,但是教育部其實是請國教院提出了這個。那師資的這部分還有他們的內容,我想這部分,謝謝委員這邊在提醒,我想我會再請\n\n15:30.289 --> 15:30.549\n他們在盤一下。\n\n15:58.882 --> 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