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the certificate for Ing-Wen Tsai is clearly a fake,and the UCL one is almost certainly a 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00:02:31,401\n什麼時候?我們那個XGD應該原來就已經有第二期一、二、三棟本來就爆了第二期卓科樂是計畫第二期不是第二棟那個是要等整個那個因為現在是說卓科樂這邊在評估我要問時間什麼時候可以送到行政院針對這個部分因為他是整個桃竹棚大信武計畫的一部分嘛你剛才會不會提到他們還在規劃當中\n\n8\n00:02:33,862 --> 00:02:55,552\n具體進度到時候跟本席特別做一個報告那接下來我特別要提到就是有關於那個竹科回饋金補助地方建設經費的處理原則這個部分有簽名是0.3的一個標準嘛對不對那因為目前為止按照112年的一個狀態的時候就正常來說他應該以竹科來說\n\n9\n00:02:56,733 --> 00:03:24,705\n他應該可以回饋4.26億可是我們真正用公務預算補助出來只有8400萬因為這是固定的一個數字那大概只佔了兩成左右有沒有辦法提高院長我們請主委來應該不是千分之零點三千分之零點三是規定千分之三是上限那個按照科學園區管理局補助地方\n\n10\n00:03:25,265 --> 00:03:47,751\n政府建設經費處理原則,裡面這個部分直接規定到千分之零點三,如果千分之三的時候那很大喔。你回去這個數字你如果都還不確定你回去來再跟北京做一個報告。我這邊只是要講說因為目前每年是八千六百萬,我們覺得不夠希望提升。希望院長能夠承諾回去能夠適度的提升這個部分,可不可以?\n\n11\n00:03:49,072 --> 00:04:11,627\n按照辦法他是補千分之零點三也就是萬分之三啦。對,千分之零點三嘛。對,就是萬分之三的意思。那是最高上限啦。是是是,所以得嘛,所以本席希望能夠增加,因為目前大概只增到是上限的兩成左右而已,好不好?是,那能不能增加我想需要國科會還有這個園區呢,他們要做整個盤點,經費的盤點。\n\n12\n00:04:13,948 --> 00:04:36,937\n我跟委員報告事實上那個交通跟環境,交通在其實比較大的...議員這個部分你們有其他的專案補助的方式,我只是希望在各位院長這邊能夠固定把這個定格把它提高。接下來的部分,這個部分因為之前我曾經在委員會這邊提到,那在回應的時候我希望院長這邊能夠有些承諾能夠具體提高,好不好。我想我們可以來研議看看,但是因為...\n\n13\n00:04:37,737 --> 00:04:37,757\n﹚解釋\n\n14\n00:05:07,677 --> 00:05:25,004\n此補助了8月份50%的預算。院長你知道這個事情嗎?我知道,這裡我們是列入一般性補助款的設算當中。是,所以本席要特別提到的狀態,你們有沒有看各縣市\n\n15\n00:05:26,725 --> 00:05:43,480\n總共需要補助多少差額?你們有沒有一個統計數字?我跟委員報告的話,因為這個跟限制當時就協調好的,就是說開始啟動由中央補助二分之一啦,然後後續因為它是常態性的一個月而已嘛,因為我這邊我要特別提一下\n\n16\n00:05:44,261 --> 00:06:10,959\n因為目前以各地方政府如果是有一些富有的縣市也許問題不大那如果財務狀況沒有那麼好大家可能就會覺得很吃緊比如說以新竹市來講它大概要增加的預算叫多一點多億那以這樣的一個狀態的時候我們就會排擠到其他部分所以是不是可以請院長這邊就指示然後對於這個差額補助的部分能夠提高然後給各縣市政府有比較好的一個\n\n17\n00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:26,689\n財務的一個支持跟委員報告剛才院長也特別跟委員這邊有說明就是說第一年因為都是很及時所以用二分之一補助那後續一、三因為這是常態的費用所以會列為行政院補助的指定項目的設算\n\n18\n00:06:29,531 --> 00:06:54,145\n所以我們希望這個部分的時候能夠把這個差額補助把它持續的長期把它補助下去。所以以後每一年都會補助地方政府這個差額補助把它補上去嘛對不對。因為行政院的一般補助是每年都有而且設定、設算後它就是一個常態性的。就下去之後他們再去安排就沒有特別這個專項去補助嘛。我們希望這個部分能夠\n\n19\n00:06:55,686 --> 00:06:55,826\n﹚鄭先生\n\n20\n00:07:16,112 --> 00:07:33,886\n打到4.49%那針對營養午餐這個部分我知道過去幾年有幾次補助可是因為這兩年來整個物價上漲得太高所以物價漲成這個情況的時候針對營養午餐的補助是不是能夠加碼\n\n21\n00:07:35,067 --> 00:07:57,626\n委員這邊是不是能夠允諾,能夠加滿營養午餐補助?因為這比較細,而且這個補貼的方式有不同,那這個教育部這邊先簡單說明一下。根本不好意思,委員這邊所列的,因為過去午餐的這部分,中央協助的部分就是在張Q食材,剛才委員提到的,我們之前6塊提到10塊。\n\n22\n00:07:58,627 --> 00:08:17,763\n這是普遍喔,只要學生,不管他是分在...就是因為這兩年物價漲太多,因為食材漲到尤其翻掉了,就是民生,就是大家地方院生在道,所以我們希望能夠對營養午餐的補助,能夠在予以特別的一個...這部分是不是油膠部來跟農業部我們在做,因為這些都是上Q食材了。好,可以,好。\n\n23\n00:08:18,604 --> 00:08:21,325\n請教一下院長這句英文您可不可以唸一下是否知道這意思?\n\n24\n00:08:41,997 --> 00:09:09,617\nfor英文菜isclearlyafake,andtheUCL-1isalmostcertainlyafake。院長知不知道這意思?我當然知道,但是我不曉得這一句話的正確性是怎麼樣。這句話是從哪裡來的你知道嗎?我們再往下看。這一句話是在上一頁。這一句話的時候是倫敦政經學院學術諮詢服務經理\n\n25\n00:09:12,154 --> 00:09:34,436\n還有倫敦政經學院博士生學院副院長還有倫敦政經學院媒體關係經理他們三個人在討論的一個內容那為什麼會有這樣的一個討論呢是因為有三個美國的公民在英國告了這件事情\n\n26\n00:09:35,253 --> 00:10:01,561\n那麼法院英國的法院的行政法院英國的行政法院那麼他們就在英國行政法院裡面呢依據英國自由資訊法英國資訊委員會還有行政法院所取得的官方文件裡面的內容所以很清楚是這樣的一個情況那麼他這裡面也特別提到了就是\n\n27\n00:10:02,521 --> 00:10:29,515\n蔡英文她的一個博士的證書還有UCL所提供出來的一些資料其實是fake的一個狀態是不實的一個狀態那針對這個部分本席想要問的其實是我們找了很多之前的資料針對蔡英文總統她過去所提出的畢業時間有四個不同的版本\n\n28\n00:10:31,264 --> 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院長我們請主委來應該不是千分之零點三千分之零點三是規定千分之三是上限那個按照科學園區管理局補助地方\n205265\t227751\t政府建設經費處理原則,裡面這個部分直接規定到千分之零點三,如果千分之三的時候那很大喔。你回去這個數字你如果都還不確定你回去來再跟北京做一個報告。我這邊只是要講說因為目前每年是八千六百萬,我們覺得不夠希望提升。希望院長能夠承諾回去能夠適度的提升這個部分,可不可以?\n229072\t251627\t按照辦法他是補千分之零點三也就是萬分之三啦。對,千分之零點三嘛。對,就是萬分之三的意思。那是最高上限啦。是是是,所以得嘛,所以本席希望能夠增加,因為目前大概只增到是上限的兩成左右而已,好不好?是,那能不能增加我想需要國科會還有這個園區呢,他們要做整個盤點,經費的盤點。\n253948\t276937\t我跟委員報告事實上那個交通跟環境,交通在其實比較大的...議員這個部分你們有其他的專案補助的方式,我只是希望在各位院長這邊能夠固定把這個定格把它提高。接下來的部分,這個部分因為之前我曾經在委員會這邊提到,那在回應的時候我希望院長這邊能夠有些承諾能夠具體提高,好不好。我想我們可以來研議看看,但是因為...\n277737\t277757\t﹚解釋\n307677\t325004\t此補助了8月份50%的預算。院長你知道這個事情嗎?我知道,這裡我們是列入一般性補助款的設算當中。是,所以本席要特別提到的狀態,你們有沒有看各縣市\n326725\t343480\t總共需要補助多少差額?你們有沒有一個統計數字?我跟委員報告的話,因為這個跟限制當時就協調好的,就是說開始啟動由中央補助二分之一啦,然後後續因為它是常態性的一個月而已嘛,因為我這邊我要特別提一下\n344261\t370959\t因為目前以各地方政府如果是有一些富有的縣市也許問題不大那如果財務狀況沒有那麼好大家可能就會覺得很吃緊比如說以新竹市來講它大概要增加的預算叫多一點多億那以這樣的一個狀態的時候我們就會排擠到其他部分所以是不是可以請院長這邊就指示然後對於這個差額補助的部分能夠提高然後給各縣市政府有比較好的一個\n372560\t386689\t財務的一個支持跟委員報告剛才院長也特別跟委員這邊有說明就是說第一年因為都是很及時所以用二分之一補助那後續一、三因為這是常態的費用所以會列為行政院補助的指定項目的設算\n389531\t414145\t所以我們希望這個部分的時候能夠把這個差額補助把它持續的長期把它補助下去。所以以後每一年都會補助地方政府這個差額補助把它補上去嘛對不對。因為行政院的一般補助是每年都有而且設定、設算後它就是一個常態性的。就下去之後他們再去安排就沒有特別這個專項去補助嘛。我們希望這個部分能夠\n415686\t415826\t﹚鄭先生\n436112\t453886\t打到4.49%那針對營養午餐這個部分我知道過去幾年有幾次補助可是因為這兩年來整個物價上漲得太高所以物價漲成這個情況的時候針對營養午餐的補助是不是能夠加碼\n455067\t477626\t委員這邊是不是能夠允諾,能夠加滿營養午餐補助?因為這比較細,而且這個補貼的方式有不同,那這個教育部這邊先簡單說明一下。根本不好意思,委員這邊所列的,因為過去午餐的這部分,中央協助的部分就是在張Q食材,剛才委員提到的,我們之前6塊提到10塊。\n478627\t497763\t這是普遍喔,只要學生,不管他是分在...就是因為這兩年物價漲太多,因為食材漲到尤其翻掉了,就是民生,就是大家地方院生在道,所以我們希望能夠對營養午餐的補助,能夠在予以特別的一個...這部分是不是油膠部來跟農業部我們在做,因為這些都是上Q食材了。好,可以,好。\n498604\t501325\t請教一下院長這句英文您可不可以唸一下是否知道這意思?\n521997\t549617\tfor 英文菜 is clearly a fake,and the UCL-1 is almost certainly a fake。院長知不知道這意思?我當然知道,但是我不曉得這一句話的正確性是怎麼樣。這句話是從哪裡來的你知道嗎?我們再往下看。這一句話是在上一頁。這一句話的時候是倫敦政經學院學術諮詢服務經理\n552154\t574436\t還有倫敦政經學院博士生學院副院長還有倫敦政經學院媒體關係經理他們三個人在討論的一個內容那為什麼會有這樣的一個討論呢是因為有三個美國的公民在英國告了這件事情\n575253\t601561\t那麼法院英國的法院的行政法院英國的行政法院那麼他們就在英國行政法院裡面呢依據英國自由資訊法英國資訊委員會還有行政法院所取得的官方文件裡面的內容所以很清楚是這樣的一個情況那麼他這裡面也特別提到了就是\n602521\t629515\t蔡英文她的一個博士的證書還有UCL所提供出來的一些資料其實是fake的一個狀態是不實的一個狀態那針對這個部分本席想要問的其實是我們找了很多之前的資料針對蔡英文總統她過去所提出的畢業時間有四個不同的版本\n631264\t659764\t國是論文有6個不同的版本都很清楚的提供出來。那麼尤其是目前我們國家圖書館裡面的蔡英文總統的論文他的名字、名稱跟當時申請政大的論文名稱是不一樣的。\n661745\t678394\t對於這樣的部分是不是會涉及到有偽造文書的問題?會不會針對這部分會有變成蔡英文總統詐欺取得政大教職的問題,院長?\n680921\t696820\t這個問題的話我沒有辦法這是個案的問題我在這裡不方便做回答但是很重要的如果有相關的事實我相信法院應該宣判的或者是應該要調查的應該要去調查但是\n698268\t703370\t五二零之後蔡英文總統下任之後是不是有回到國立大學裡面的計畫?\n722978\t724680\t我想這種假設性的問題而且是個人的問題在這裡質詢我沒有辦法回答。\n742142\t742742\t委員這樣提我要講說蔡總統歷屆在\n764827\t764847\t拜訪議員\n787649\t807245\t對機密的狀態,那這個部分我想說在這邊談這個東西,因為剛剛院長也有特別提到在這邊談蔡院長的入門不一定適合,雖然去年院長曾經回應我說就是入門事件確實是一個可受公平的事情,我去年3月份在這邊問你的時候你有特別回應這個部分。\n808046\t808206\t委員﹚鄭正鈐\n826057\t836147\t從蔡總統他當這個教授等等審查,剛才講過都有完全的審查的過程。我們要尊重這個學校的教評會所做的那一套。今天一體這樣子,與國創始人任聚來講,我覺得這個不合理。\n844355\t859600\t我希望我希望在之後學校對於這樣子的事情都有更好的一個立場我接下來我要問的是另外一件事情 院長陳耀祥ACC的主委他\n860660\t875471\t之前就表示他7月底之後他就要回學校他就要回學校那麼他在NCC主委任內的時候有三大案引起非常非常多的爭議包括中天案包括淨電時案包括中佳案\n876492\t890626\t這三個案子都有很多的一個爭議,也引起了很多國人對於NCC的不信任。那麼在這個情況之下的時候呢,我們看了齁,我們列舉了它的十大爭議項目,十大爭議事項,洋洋灑灑。\n891687\t917413\t那麼整個民間對他的反應也是一面倒的覺得不太適任。很多民眾包括臺灣民意基金會跟民意友好的基金會對於這個部分要導致陳耀祥他也導致了ECC。所以我們認為他回到學校裡面去是不是會帶壞大牌的大學。我們希望臺北大學能\n925656\t926260\t謝謝鄭委員、鄭潔篪也謝謝成員長的備詢\n","txt":"主席好,我想請一下陳院長請陳院長備詢\n院長好這是520之前最後一次跟您質詢我想說先請教一下桃竹苗大細股計畫是不是已經成為我們國家重大建設計畫我們已經合併了這個計畫那確實這是對我們來講是要整體的是桃竹苗的這個產業已經是國家重大建設計畫了嗎\n因為我看這個計畫當中還有幾個指標大概4年要達到6兆就是GDP的提升然後要創造14萬人的工作就業機會然後增加7個科學園區52個產業園區然後增加42,250個\n在新竹這邊的時候,我們是不是針對竹科XGD第二期跟整個大新竹輕軌是不是都有納入整個這個桃竹苗大新武計畫裡面?\n跟委員報告,據我所知應該是有盤點。有納入計畫。那我想問一下,因為之前竹科X第一期的時候有三棟大樓,目前進度如何?然後國科會目前針對竹科X計畫第二期要納入整個桃竹貓大氣鼓計畫裡面,然後進度如何?然後什麼時候可以提報行政院核定國家重大?\n那個跟委員報告那個X基地的第一棟大樓應該快要完工。今年快要完工了嘛。第二棟、第三棟呢?正在準備當中。所以大概什麼時候可以把這個竹科X計畫第二期提報到行政院來?\n什麼時候?我們那個XGD應該原來就已經有 第二期一、二、三棟本來就爆了 第二期 卓科樂是計畫第二期不是第二棟那個是要等整個那個 因為現在是說卓科樂這邊在評估我要問時間什麼時候可以送到行政院針對這個部分 因為他是整個桃竹棚大信武計畫的一部分嘛你剛才會不會提到 他們還在規劃當中\n具體進度到時候跟本席特別做一個報告那接下來我特別要提到就是有關於那個竹科回饋金補助地方建設經費的處理原則這個部分有簽名是0.3的一個標準嘛對不對那因為目前為止按照112年的一個狀態的時候就正常來說他應該以竹科來說\n他應該可以回饋4.26億可是我們真正用公務預算補助出來只有8400萬因為這是固定的一個數字那大概只佔了兩成左右有沒有辦法提高 院長我們請主委來應該不是千分之零點三千分之零點三是規定千分之三是上限那個按照科學園區管理局補助地方\n政府建設經費處理原則,裡面這個部分直接規定到千分之零點三,如果千分之三的時候那很大喔。你回去這個數字你如果都還不確定你回去來再跟北京做一個報告。我這邊只是要講說因為目前每年是八千六百萬,我們覺得不夠希望提升。希望院長能夠承諾回去能夠適度的提升這個部分,可不可以?\n按照辦法他是補千分之零點三也就是萬分之三啦。對,千分之零點三嘛。對,就是萬分之三的意思。那是最高上限啦。是是是,所以得嘛,所以本席希望能夠增加,因為目前大概只增到是上限的兩成左右而已,好不好?是,那能不能增加我想需要國科會還有這個園區呢,他們要做整個盤點,經費的盤點。\n我跟委員報告事實上那個交通跟環境,交通在其實比較大的...議員這個部分你們有其他的專案補助的方式,我只是希望在各位院長這邊能夠固定把這個定格把它提高。接下來的部分,這個部分因為之前我曾經在委員會這邊提到,那在回應的時候我希望院長這邊能夠有些承諾能夠具體提高,好不好。我想我們可以來研議看看,但是因為...\n﹚解釋\n此補助了8月份50%的預算。院長你知道這個事情嗎?我知道,這裡我們是列入一般性補助款的設算當中。是,所以本席要特別提到的狀態,你們有沒有看各縣市\n總共需要補助多少差額?你們有沒有一個統計數字?我跟委員報告的話,因為這個跟限制當時就協調好的,就是說開始啟動由中央補助二分之一啦,然後後續因為它是常態性的一個月而已嘛,因為我這邊我要特別提一下\n因為目前以各地方政府如果是有一些富有的縣市也許問題不大那如果財務狀況沒有那麼好大家可能就會覺得很吃緊比如說以新竹市來講它大概要增加的預算叫多一點多億那以這樣的一個狀態的時候我們就會排擠到其他部分所以是不是可以請院長這邊就指示然後對於這個差額補助的部分能夠提高然後給各縣市政府有比較好的一個\n財務的一個支持跟委員報告剛才院長也特別跟委員這邊有說明就是說第一年因為都是很及時所以用二分之一補助那後續一、三因為這是常態的費用所以會列為行政院補助的指定項目的設算\n所以我們希望這個部分的時候能夠把這個差額補助把它持續的長期把它補助下去。所以以後每一年都會補助地方政府這個差額補助把它補上去嘛對不對。因為行政院的一般補助是每年都有而且設定、設算後它就是一個常態性的。就下去之後他們再去安排就沒有特別這個專項去補助嘛。我們希望這個部分能夠\n﹚鄭先生\n打到4.49%那針對營養午餐這個部分我知道過去幾年有幾次補助可是因為這兩年來整個物價上漲得太高所以物價漲成這個情況的時候針對營養午餐的補助是不是能夠加碼\n委員這邊是不是能夠允諾,能夠加滿營養午餐補助?因為這比較細,而且這個補貼的方式有不同,那這個教育部這邊先簡單說明一下。根本不好意思,委員這邊所列的,因為過去午餐的這部分,中央協助的部分就是在張Q食材,剛才委員提到的,我們之前6塊提到10塊。\n這是普遍喔,只要學生,不管他是分在...就是因為這兩年物價漲太多,因為食材漲到尤其翻掉了,就是民生,就是大家地方院生在道,所以我們希望能夠對營養午餐的補助,能夠在予以特別的一個...這部分是不是油膠部來跟農業部我們在做,因為這些都是上Q食材了。好,可以,好。\n請教一下院長這句英文您可不可以唸一下是否知道這意思?\nfor 英文菜 is clearly a fake,and the UCL-1 is almost certainly a fake。院長知不知道這意思?我當然知道,但是我不曉得這一句話的正確性是怎麼樣。這句話是從哪裡來的你知道嗎?我們再往下看。這一句話是在上一頁。這一句話的時候是倫敦政經學院學術諮詢服務經理\n還有倫敦政經學院博士生學院副院長還有倫敦政經學院媒體關係經理他們三個人在討論的一個內容那為什麼會有這樣的一個討論呢是因為有三個美國的公民在英國告了這件事情\n那麼法院英國的法院的行政法院英國的行政法院那麼他們就在英國行政法院裡面呢依據英國自由資訊法英國資訊委員會還有行政法院所取得的官方文件裡面的內容所以很清楚是這樣的一個情況那麼他這裡面也特別提到了就是\n蔡英文她的一個博士的證書還有UCL所提供出來的一些資料其實是fake的一個狀態是不實的一個狀態那針對這個部分本席想要問的其實是我們找了很多之前的資料針對蔡英文總統她過去所提出的畢業時間有四個不同的版本\n國是論文有6個不同的版本都很清楚的提供出來。那麼尤其是目前我們國家圖書館裡面的蔡英文總統的論文他的名字、名稱跟當時申請政大的論文名稱是不一樣的。\n對於這樣的部分是不是會涉及到有偽造文書的問題?會不會針對這部分會有變成蔡英文總統詐欺取得政大教職的問題,院長?\n這個問題的話我沒有辦法這是個案的問題我在這裡不方便做回答但是很重要的如果有相關的事實我相信法院應該宣判的或者是應該要調查的應該要去調查但是\n五二零之後蔡英文總統下任之後是不是有回到國立大學裡面的計畫?\n我想這種假設性的問題而且是個人的問題在這裡質詢我沒有辦法回答。\n委員這樣提我要講說蔡總統歷屆在\n拜訪議員\n對機密的狀態,那這個部分我想說在這邊談這個東西,因為剛剛院長也有特別提到在這邊談蔡院長的入門不一定適合,雖然去年院長曾經回應我說就是入門事件確實是一個可受公平的事情,我去年3月份在這邊問你的時候你有特別回應這個部分。\n委員﹚鄭正鈐\n從蔡總統他當這個教授等等審查,剛才講過都有完全的審查的過程。我們要尊重這個學校的教評會所做的那一套。今天一體這樣子,與國創始人任聚來講,我覺得這個不合理。\n我希望我希望在之後學校對於這樣子的事情都有更好的一個立場我接下來我要問的是另外一件事情 院長陳耀祥ACC的主委他\n之前就表示他7月底之後他就要回學校他就要回學校那麼他在NCC主委任內的時候有三大案引起非常非常多的爭議包括中天案包括淨電時案包括中佳案\n這三個案子都有很多的一個爭議,也引起了很多國人對於NCC的不信任。那麼在這個情況之下的時候呢,我們看了齁,我們列舉了它的十大爭議項目,十大爭議事項,洋洋灑灑。\n那麼整個民間對他的反應也是一面倒的覺得不太適任。很多民眾包括臺灣民意基金會跟民意友好的基金會對於這個部分要導致陳耀祥他也導致了ECC。所以我們認為他回到學校裡面去是不是會帶壞大牌的大學。我們希望臺北大學能\n謝謝鄭委員、鄭潔篪也謝謝成員長的備詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.107 --> 00:05.288\n主席好,我想請一下陳院長請陳院長備詢\n\n00:14.701 --> 00:37.336\n院長好這是520之前最後一次跟您質詢我想說先請教一下桃竹苗大細股計畫是不是已經成為我們國家重大建設計畫我們已經合併了這個計畫那確實這是對我們來講是要整體的是桃竹苗的這個產業已經是國家重大建設計畫了嗎\n\n00:39.045 --> 00:50.660\n因為我看這個計畫當中還有幾個指標大概4年要達到6兆就是GDP的提升然後要創造14萬人的工作就業機會然後增加7個科學園區52個產業園區然後增加42,250個\n\n00:57.685 --> 01:01.806\n在新竹這邊的時候,我們是不是針對竹科XGD第二期跟整個大新竹輕軌是不是都有納入整個這個桃竹苗大新武計畫裡面?\n\n01:16.115 --> 01:41.171\n跟委員報告,據我所知應該是有盤點。有納入計畫。那我想問一下,因為之前竹科X第一期的時候有三棟大樓,目前進度如何?然後國科會目前針對竹科X計畫第二期要納入整個桃竹貓大氣鼓計畫裡面,然後進度如何?然後什麼時候可以提報行政院核定國家重大?\n\n01:43.412 --> 02:05.759\n那個跟委員報告那個X基地的第一棟大樓應該快要完工。今年快要完工了嘛。第二棟、第三棟呢?正在準備當中。所以大概什麼時候可以把這個竹科X計畫第二期提報到行政院來?\n\n02:06.912 --> 02:31.401\n什麼時候?我們那個XGD應該原來就已經有第二期一、二、三棟本來就爆了第二期卓科樂是計畫第二期不是第二棟那個是要等整個那個因為現在是說卓科樂這邊在評估我要問時間什麼時候可以送到行政院針對這個部分因為他是整個桃竹棚大信武計畫的一部分嘛你剛才會不會提到他們還在規劃當中\n\n02:33.862 --> 02:55.552\n具體進度到時候跟本席特別做一個報告那接下來我特別要提到就是有關於那個竹科回饋金補助地方建設經費的處理原則這個部分有簽名是0.3的一個標準嘛對不對那因為目前為止按照112年的一個狀態的時候就正常來說他應該以竹科來說\n\n02:56.733 --> 03:24.705\n他應該可以回饋4.26億可是我們真正用公務預算補助出來只有8400萬因為這是固定的一個數字那大概只佔了兩成左右有沒有辦法提高院長我們請主委來應該不是千分之零點三千分之零點三是規定千分之三是上限那個按照科學園區管理局補助地方\n\n03:25.265 --> 03:47.751\n政府建設經費處理原則,裡面這個部分直接規定到千分之零點三,如果千分之三的時候那很大喔。你回去這個數字你如果都還不確定你回去來再跟北京做一個報告。我這邊只是要講說因為目前每年是八千六百萬,我們覺得不夠希望提升。希望院長能夠承諾回去能夠適度的提升這個部分,可不可以?\n\n03:49.072 --> 04:11.627\n按照辦法他是補千分之零點三也就是萬分之三啦。對,千分之零點三嘛。對,就是萬分之三的意思。那是最高上限啦。是是是,所以得嘛,所以本席希望能夠增加,因為目前大概只增到是上限的兩成左右而已,好不好?是,那能不能增加我想需要國科會還有這個園區呢,他們要做整個盤點,經費的盤點。\n\n04:13.948 --> 04:36.937\n我跟委員報告事實上那個交通跟環境,交通在其實比較大的...議員這個部分你們有其他的專案補助的方式,我只是希望在各位院長這邊能夠固定把這個定格把它提高。接下來的部分,這個部分因為之前我曾經在委員會這邊提到,那在回應的時候我希望院長這邊能夠有些承諾能夠具體提高,好不好。我想我們可以來研議看看,但是因為...\n\n04:37.737 --> 04:37.757\n﹚解釋\n\n05:07.677 --> 05:25.004\n此補助了8月份50%的預算。院長你知道這個事情嗎?我知道,這裡我們是列入一般性補助款的設算當中。是,所以本席要特別提到的狀態,你們有沒有看各縣市\n\n05:26.725 --> 05:43.480\n總共需要補助多少差額?你們有沒有一個統計數字?我跟委員報告的話,因為這個跟限制當時就協調好的,就是說開始啟動由中央補助二分之一啦,然後後續因為它是常態性的一個月而已嘛,因為我這邊我要特別提一下\n\n05:44.261 --> 06:10.959\n因為目前以各地方政府如果是有一些富有的縣市也許問題不大那如果財務狀況沒有那麼好大家可能就會覺得很吃緊比如說以新竹市來講它大概要增加的預算叫多一點多億那以這樣的一個狀態的時候我們就會排擠到其他部分所以是不是可以請院長這邊就指示然後對於這個差額補助的部分能夠提高然後給各縣市政府有比較好的一個\n\n06:12.560 --> 06:26.689\n財務的一個支持跟委員報告剛才院長也特別跟委員這邊有說明就是說第一年因為都是很及時所以用二分之一補助那後續一、三因為這是常態的費用所以會列為行政院補助的指定項目的設算\n\n06:29.531 --> 06:54.145\n所以我們希望這個部分的時候能夠把這個差額補助把它持續的長期把它補助下去。所以以後每一年都會補助地方政府這個差額補助把它補上去嘛對不對。因為行政院的一般補助是每年都有而且設定、設算後它就是一個常態性的。就下去之後他們再去安排就沒有特別這個專項去補助嘛。我們希望這個部分能夠\n\n06:55.686 --> 06:55.826\n﹚鄭先生\n\n07:16.112 --> 07:33.886\n打到4.49%那針對營養午餐這個部分我知道過去幾年有幾次補助可是因為這兩年來整個物價上漲得太高所以物價漲成這個情況的時候針對營養午餐的補助是不是能夠加碼\n\n07:35.067 --> 07:57.626\n委員這邊是不是能夠允諾,能夠加滿營養午餐補助?因為這比較細,而且這個補貼的方式有不同,那這個教育部這邊先簡單說明一下。根本不好意思,委員這邊所列的,因為過去午餐的這部分,中央協助的部分就是在張Q食材,剛才委員提到的,我們之前6塊提到10塊。\n\n07:58.627 --> 08:17.763\n這是普遍喔,只要學生,不管他是分在...就是因為這兩年物價漲太多,因為食材漲到尤其翻掉了,就是民生,就是大家地方院生在道,所以我們希望能夠對營養午餐的補助,能夠在予以特別的一個...這部分是不是油膠部來跟農業部我們在做,因為這些都是上Q食材了。好,可以,好。\n\n08:18.604 --> 08:21.325\n請教一下院長這句英文您可不可以唸一下是否知道這意思?\n\n08:41.997 --> 09:09.617\nfor英文菜isclearlyafake,andtheUCL-1isalmostcertainlyafake。院長知不知道這意思?我當然知道,但是我不曉得這一句話的正確性是怎麼樣。這句話是從哪裡來的你知道嗎?我們再往下看。這一句話是在上一頁。這一句話的時候是倫敦政經學院學術諮詢服務經理\n\n09:12.154 --> 09:34.436\n還有倫敦政經學院博士生學院副院長還有倫敦政經學院媒體關係經理他們三個人在討論的一個內容那為什麼會有這樣的一個討論呢是因為有三個美國的公民在英國告了這件事情\n\n09:35.253 --> 10:01.561\n那麼法院英國的法院的行政法院英國的行政法院那麼他們就在英國行政法院裡面呢依據英國自由資訊法英國資訊委員會還有行政法院所取得的官方文件裡面的內容所以很清楚是這樣的一個情況那麼他這裡面也特別提到了就是\n\n10:02.521 --> 10:29.515\n蔡英文她的一個博士的證書還有UCL所提供出來的一些資料其實是fake的一個狀態是不實的一個狀態那針對這個部分本席想要問的其實是我們找了很多之前的資料針對蔡英文總統她過去所提出的畢業時間有四個不同的版本\n\n10:31.264 --> 10:59.764\n國是論文有6個不同的版本都很清楚的提供出來。那麼尤其是目前我們國家圖書館裡面的蔡英文總統的論文他的名字、名稱跟當時申請政大的論文名稱是不一樣的。\n\n11:01.745 --> 11:18.394\n對於這樣的部分是不是會涉及到有偽造文書的問題?會不會針對這部分會有變成蔡英文總統詐欺取得政大教職的問題,院長?\n\n11:20.921 --> 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院長我們請主委來應該不是千分之零點三千分之零點三是規定千分之三是上限那個按照科學園區管理局補助地方"},{"start":205.265,"end":227.751,"text":"政府建設經費處理原則,裡面這個部分直接規定到千分之零點三,如果千分之三的時候那很大喔。你回去這個數字你如果都還不確定你回去來再跟北京做一個報告。我這邊只是要講說因為目前每年是八千六百萬,我們覺得不夠希望提升。希望院長能夠承諾回去能夠適度的提升這個部分,可不可以?"},{"start":229.072,"end":251.627,"text":"按照辦法他是補千分之零點三也就是萬分之三啦。對,千分之零點三嘛。對,就是萬分之三的意思。那是最高上限啦。是是是,所以得嘛,所以本席希望能夠增加,因為目前大概只增到是上限的兩成左右而已,好不好?是,那能不能增加我想需要國科會還有這個園區呢,他們要做整個盤點,經費的盤點。"},{"start":253.948,"end":276.937,"text":"我跟委員報告事實上那個交通跟環境,交通在其實比較大的...議員這個部分你們有其他的專案補助的方式,我只是希望在各位院長這邊能夠固定把這個定格把它提高。接下來的部分,這個部分因為之前我曾經在委員會這邊提到,那在回應的時候我希望院長這邊能夠有些承諾能夠具體提高,好不好。我想我們可以來研議看看,但是因為..."},{"start":277.737,"end":277.757,"text":"﹚解釋"},{"start":307.677,"end":325.004,"text":"此補助了8月份50%的預算。院長你知道這個事情嗎?我知道,這裡我們是列入一般性補助款的設算當中。是,所以本席要特別提到的狀態,你們有沒有看各縣市"},{"start":326.725,"end":343.48,"text":"總共需要補助多少差額?你們有沒有一個統計數字?我跟委員報告的話,因為這個跟限制當時就協調好的,就是說開始啟動由中央補助二分之一啦,然後後續因為它是常態性的一個月而已嘛,因為我這邊我要特別提一下"},{"start":344.261,"end":370.959,"text":"因為目前以各地方政府如果是有一些富有的縣市也許問題不大那如果財務狀況沒有那麼好大家可能就會覺得很吃緊比如說以新竹市來講它大概要增加的預算叫多一點多億那以這樣的一個狀態的時候我們就會排擠到其他部分所以是不是可以請院長這邊就指示然後對於這個差額補助的部分能夠提高然後給各縣市政府有比較好的一個"},{"start":372.56,"end":386.689,"text":"財務的一個支持跟委員報告剛才院長也特別跟委員這邊有說明就是說第一年因為都是很及時所以用二分之一補助那後續一、三因為這是常態的費用所以會列為行政院補助的指定項目的設算"},{"start":389.531,"end":414.145,"text":"所以我們希望這個部分的時候能夠把這個差額補助把它持續的長期把它補助下去。所以以後每一年都會補助地方政府這個差額補助把它補上去嘛對不對。因為行政院的一般補助是每年都有而且設定、設算後它就是一個常態性的。就下去之後他們再去安排就沒有特別這個專項去補助嘛。我們希望這個部分能夠"},{"start":415.686,"end":415.826,"text":"﹚鄭先生"},{"start":436.112,"end":453.886,"text":"打到4.49%那針對營養午餐這個部分我知道過去幾年有幾次補助可是因為這兩年來整個物價上漲得太高所以物價漲成這個情況的時候針對營養午餐的補助是不是能夠加碼"},{"start":455.067,"end":477.626,"text":"委員這邊是不是能夠允諾,能夠加滿營養午餐補助?因為這比較細,而且這個補貼的方式有不同,那這個教育部這邊先簡單說明一下。根本不好意思,委員這邊所列的,因為過去午餐的這部分,中央協助的部分就是在張Q食材,剛才委員提到的,我們之前6塊提到10塊。"},{"start":478.627,"end":497.763,"text":"這是普遍喔,只要學生,不管他是分在...就是因為這兩年物價漲太多,因為食材漲到尤其翻掉了,就是民生,就是大家地方院生在道,所以我們希望能夠對營養午餐的補助,能夠在予以特別的一個...這部分是不是油膠部來跟農業部我們在做,因為這些都是上Q食材了。好,可以,好。"},{"start":498.604,"end":501.325,"text":"請教一下院長這句英文您可不可以唸一下是否知道這意思?"},{"start":521.997,"end":549.617,"text":"for 英文菜 is clearly a fake,and the UCL-1 is almost certainly a fake。院長知不知道這意思?我當然知道,但是我不曉得這一句話的正確性是怎麼樣。這句話是從哪裡來的你知道嗎?我們再往下看。這一句話是在上一頁。這一句話的時候是倫敦政經學院學術諮詢服務經理"},{"start":552.154,"end":574.436,"text":"還有倫敦政經學院博士生學院副院長還有倫敦政經學院媒體關係經理他們三個人在討論的一個內容那為什麼會有這樣的一個討論呢是因為有三個美國的公民在英國告了這件事情"},{"start":575.253,"end":601.561,"text":"那麼法院英國的法院的行政法院英國的行政法院那麼他們就在英國行政法院裡面呢依據英國自由資訊法英國資訊委員會還有行政法院所取得的官方文件裡面的內容所以很清楚是這樣的一個情況那麼他這裡面也特別提到了就是"},{"start":602.521,"end":629.515,"text":"蔡英文她的一個博士的證書還有UCL所提供出來的一些資料其實是fake的一個狀態是不實的一個狀態那針對這個部分本席想要問的其實是我們找了很多之前的資料針對蔡英文總統她過去所提出的畢業時間有四個不同的版本"},{"start":631.264,"end":659.764,"text":"國是論文有6個不同的版本都很清楚的提供出來。那麼尤其是目前我們國家圖書館裡面的蔡英文總統的論文他的名字、名稱跟當時申請政大的論文名稱是不一樣的。"},{"start":661.745,"end":678.394,"text":"對於這樣的部分是不是會涉及到有偽造文書的問題?會不會針對這部分會有變成蔡英文總統詐欺取得政大教職的問題,院長?"},{"start":680.921,"end":696.82,"text":"這個問題的話我沒有辦法這是個案的問題我在這裡不方便做回答但是很重要的如果有相關的事實我相信法院應該宣判的或者是應該要調查的應該要去調查但是"},{"start":698.268,"end":703.37,"text":"五二零之後蔡英文總統下任之後是不是有回到國立大學裡面的計畫?"},{"start":722.978,"end":724.68,"text":"我想這種假設性的問題而且是個人的問題在這裡質詢我沒有辦法回答。"},{"start":742.142,"end":742.742,"text":"委員這樣提我要講說蔡總統歷屆在"},{"start":764.827,"end":764.847,"text":"拜訪議員"},{"start":787.649,"end":807.245,"text":"對機密的狀態,那這個部分我想說在這邊談這個東西,因為剛剛院長也有特別提到在這邊談蔡院長的入門不一定適合,雖然去年院長曾經回應我說就是入門事件確實是一個可受公平的事情,我去年3月份在這邊問你的時候你有特別回應這個部分。"},{"start":808.046,"end":808.206,"text":"委員﹚鄭正鈐"},{"start":826.057,"end":836.147,"text":"從蔡總統他當這個教授等等審查,剛才講過都有完全的審查的過程。我們要尊重這個學校的教評會所做的那一套。今天一體這樣子,與國創始人任聚來講,我覺得這個不合理。"},{"start":844.355,"end":859.6,"text":"我希望我希望在之後學校對於這樣子的事情都有更好的一個立場我接下來我要問的是另外一件事情 院長陳耀祥ACC的主委他"},{"start":860.66,"end":875.471,"text":"之前就表示他7月底之後他就要回學校他就要回學校那麼他在NCC主委任內的時候有三大案引起非常非常多的爭議包括中天案包括淨電時案包括中佳案"},{"start":876.492,"end":890.626,"text":"這三個案子都有很多的一個爭議,也引起了很多國人對於NCC的不信任。那麼在這個情況之下的時候呢,我們看了齁,我們列舉了它的十大爭議項目,十大爭議事項,洋洋灑灑。"},{"start":891.687,"end":917.413,"text":"那麼整個民間對他的反應也是一面倒的覺得不太適任。很多民眾包括臺灣民意基金會跟民意友好的基金會對於這個部分要導致陳耀祥他也導致了ECC。所以我們認為他回到學校裡面去是不是會帶壞大牌的大學。我們希望臺北大學能"},{"start":925.656,"end":926.26,"text":"謝謝鄭委員、鄭潔篪也謝謝成員長的備詢"}]}}}}