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00:02:59,790\n我完全認同而且我覺得是宜蘭人民的這個福氣有這麼好的立委然後對於剛才講的這個四大主軸的建設確實都很關心我覺得我們會一起跟您還有地方政府一起來努力好謝謝院長那未來宜蘭的關鍵黃金十年我期待能夠在院長還有我們各部會的首長這個支持之下讓宜蘭縣真的能夠來脫胎換骨\n\n7\n00:03:01,414 --> 00:03:29,773\n那我首先要就教這個院長的部分就是針對宜蘭的這個鐵路高架。宜蘭縣的這個南陽平原目前還有23座的這個平交道。那就我們目前所規劃的這個鐵路高架的範圍15.85公里的範圍內有9座的這個平交道還有4座的路橋。在未來有可能這個建設在這個進行的當中就會去移除。\n\n8\n00:03:30,626 --> 00:03:38,864\n那當然這個緊張到是大家這個比較擔憂的一個平面的一個交通的一個危險地帶\n\n9\n00:03:39,841 --> 00:03:41,322\n那在此我想請教院長就是目前我們這個鐵路高架的期程為何?\n\n10\n00:04:09,497 --> 00:04:26,587\n這一個鐵路高架化的可行性的研究我們行政院早就在109年10月26日就核定了現在正在做環評的作業當中那如果環評審查的結果是在今年的2月22日的時候環境部已經審查完了\n\n11\n00:04:27,571 --> 00:04:28,191\n議員長,115年底可以順利嗎?這個我們當然是\n\n12\n00:04:57,037 --> 00:05:13,589\n希望這個鐵道局如果能夠在環評的意見回覆上補正的更快一點,我們當然就可以更提前。那因為最近在2月份有一份這個環評的結果出來,針對這個土壤異化的部分會不會影響到工程的這個進行?\n\n13\n00:05:15,273 --> 00:05:36,225\n這個比較專業的部分我請部長就是第二次專案小組的確有談到這個課題那目前我們在補資料我們準備在4月底會把它再送到環境部去基本上應該是可以說明可以解決吧因為這未來跟這個高鐵也會有相同的問題所以我希望說應該是要一併解決\n\n14\n00:05:38,886 --> 00:06:01,702\n另外針對我們非執政的縣市,其實財政都非常困境。對於鐵路高架的部分,宜蘭縣15.85公里的部分要252億,縣政府所要編列的配額款也非常多,超過50億以上。針對這個部分,\n\n15\n00:06:04,352 --> 00:06:26,643\n中央政府是不是可以對於這個部分能夠來提高相關的這個補助,讓這個縣市政府在爭取相關重大建設的時候,不會卻步,可以勇敢的來爭取。我想所有的軌道的建設都是同樣一個標準,就是我們有相關的經費,有自籌的部分,非自籌。\n\n16\n00:06:27,663 --> 00:06:27,803\n陳俊宇議員\n\n17\n00:06:48,046 --> 00:06:48,066\n﹚陳宇\n\n18\n00:07:11,775 --> 00:07:11,895\n﹚陳俊宇\n\n19\n00:07:43,139 --> 00:07:50,244\n謝謝院長。我希望說我們這些重大的交通工程發展會帶動地方的一個實際的進步。不要因為配額款的問題讓縣市政府對於爭取的卻步。這樣應該才會能夠實際幫助到地方的發展。\n\n20\n00:08:01,864 --> 00:08:16,721\n另外我想請教院長針對高鐵延伸宜蘭,高鐵延伸宜蘭的部分目前在二階環坪的部分辦理情形如何?現在二階環坪已經在辦理當中\n\n21\n00:08:20,017 --> 00:08:46,269\n那這個交通部會努力爭取這一個二階環評能夠盡快的通過那這個要看環境部那我們是以115年底呈報這個計畫為目標然後接下來就是設計跟施工的這個部分所以這二階環評我們會努力來這個計畫送上來到行政院我們會來加速審查這二階環評很重要院長那在115年前環評會不會通過\n\n22\n00:08:50,611 --> 00:09:00,845\n大概我們目標是1、4年6月那剛才院長所提的是整個綜合規劃跟環評以及送信機的時間所以我們現在就是以明年的6月為目標讓他通過這樣\n\n23\n00:09:03,339 --> 00:09:06,620\n因為未來這個宜蘭縣他會成為我們三鐵共過的一個很主要的一個站題東部快鐵跟西部高鐵\n\n24\n00:09:30,746 --> 00:09:57,075\n那未來整個環島的這個6小時的這種高快速的這個路網能夠建置完成的話,相對可以讓整個臺灣變成一日的生活圈。那我想請教院長就是近日不是都在討論說這個環島的這種高鐵路網,那對於這個未來是不是會沉岸?環島的高鐵路網會不會沉岸?會不會影響到這個高鐵延伸?\n\n25\n00:09:58,897 --> 00:10:13,876\n我想我們目前已經有在規劃的就是宜蘭還有在屏東的部分那我們就慢慢的來一段一段的來完成那至於說要到環島的這個階段的時候我們要考慮到的成本效益等等\n\n26\n00:10:14,537 --> 00:10:40,029\n那所以在這一個部分當然我們是看看國家經濟發展的狀況還有這個成本效益能夠夠的話我們就一段一段的來完成那宜蘭的部分一定會事先現在已經在規劃了嘛剛才講的二階環評如果過的話我們就往這個目標來做但是我還是要強調一件事情很重要譬如說您剛才講的高鐵站還有台鐵站\n\n27\n00:10:41,109 --> 00:10:59,875\n實際上當這個軌道進來的時候特定區域的那個開發很重要那對行政府一定要想好清楚像在日本他們那個大阪或者是京都的鐵路站站址他那個聯合開發\n\n28\n00:11:02,458 --> 00:11:27,544\n我跟委員報告,比如說憲政中心站現在是宜蘭的站,它事實上也是鐵路的一部分,它事實上特定區的收入是可以挹注到比如說這個未來的鐵路高架的部分,高鐵是我們簽了的出資。\n\n29\n00:11:28,664 --> 00:11:54,253\n第二個反老高鐵不會影響,因為現在到宜蘭嘛,他如果下一步就是宜蘭到花蓮,那開始做可行性,這一段是不會有影響。我希望說這個高鐵特區,剛剛院長提示的高鐵特區,可以更加完善,因為這一個鐵道的工程可能是宜蘭線創線以來最大的一個重大工程,那如果要規劃的話我們也希望說就一次到位。\n\n30\n00:11:55,664 --> 00:12:23,815\n這個再拜託我們這個王部長跟我們所有的同仁一起努力另外要救教就是我們台六十二線台六十二線延伸宜蘭其實有三個最主要的理由要見第一就是因為這一個這條道路的開闢可以成為我們這個國道五號擁塞情況的一個替代型的道路另外也會成為我們這個宜花東隆特產品這個\n\n31\n00:12:44,549 --> 00:12:56,711\n這個民眾有一個不同的選擇的路線所以我認為說台62線還是非常重要一定要盡快來做這個規劃那我想請教一下說針對這個部分\n\n32\n00:12:58,568 --> 00:13:20,310\n這個可行性評估目前進度為何?五月底會不會完成?他三月底就會提出這個期末報告那這個延伸到宜蘭投誠這件的可行性評估我相信提出來以後我們報到行政院我們一定會加速來審議那看看他的可行性怎麼樣然後就來進行\n\n33\n00:13:21,281 --> 00:13:23,383\n因為宜蘭縣單靠一條國道5號對外聯絡實在是不夠,因為整個台灣的旅遊觀光的民眾會往宜花東去移動。\n\n34\n00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:55,291\n那所以才會導致這個國道5號的塞車情況那現在如果沒有再增加一條的話常常現在不是假日塞車平時就在塞車所以我請院長跟部長一定要對這個議題的關注另外就是我們目前在進行中的這個T-pass這個通勤月票的優惠我想請教一下就是說\n\n35\n00:13:56,055 --> 00:14:13,672\n因為在宜蘭縣目前每天大概有7000到8000人在做使用那在還沒有優惠之前每一個月的這個使用的費用大概是超過6000塊以上那縣政府在這個去年的7月曾經做過一個調查\n\n36\n00:14:14,537 --> 00:14:24,565\n那如果有這個優惠套票的時候會有89.1%近九成的民眾會購買那也有78.8%的民眾近八成的民眾會選擇2300型的這個月票那這個2300型當然就是我們北北基桃1200跟目前這個北宜跨城際的1800\n\n37\n00:14:38,075 --> 00:14:41,937\n所以我想請教一下部長對這個部分我們可不可以來要求相關單位來做一個這個溝通把這個兩張卡來做合併使用\n\n38\n00:15:08,327 --> 00:15:22,413\n對的確目前會有一個狀況用180加1200目前用這樣但是他們現在碰到的困難是宜蘭縣政府跟雙北在整個交通運區上面整合這個更改上面有些困難我們來協助\n\n39\n00:15:24,213 --> 00:15:45,878\n目前宜蘭縣政府是4月份會再把整個計畫送上來基本上這些方案包括未來的2300到雙北都吃飽這樣的方案我們都會支持院長這邊也都支持這個經費但是就是說溝通的部分我們也來協助看怎麼來讓雙北跟宜蘭能夠趕快溝通這是地方政府愛管理\n\n40\n00:15:48,448 --> 00:15:49,169\n謝謝陳委員、俊宇的質詢。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n49501\t53126\t好謝謝主席那有請我們陳院長麻煩再請陳院長備詢好謝謝院長\n62011\t82228\t院長我上任以來在今年年初院長您已經到過宜蘭這個實際的視察相關的產業兩次那我也特別感謝院長的用心對於宜蘭的關心當然也要感謝我們王部長王部長對於這個相關的重大工程在\n83629\t108018\t開立這個相關的這個委員會的說明會的時候我們王部長都親自帶隊到宜蘭去謝謝王部長那也特別感謝我們吳哲成政委因為他對於宜蘭縣的了解那包括宜蘭的這個中央跟這個宜蘭的相關這些建設的這個平台也開過超過35次的這個平台會議謝謝我們的這個吳政委\n112503\t140778\t那我在此我想說跟院長就教一下就是針對宜蘭縣我有這個設定了一個四大目標就是交通、醫療、產業還有觀光那這個當然交通跟醫療是重中之重我們也希望說這兩個這個面向能夠盡快來做提升來帶動整個宜蘭縣的發展\n142131\t148682\t當然交通跟醫療的相關建制如果完成之後,產業跟觀光就會隨之發展,這個院長您認同嗎?\n152183\t179790\t我完全認同而且我覺得是宜蘭人民的這個福氣有這麼好的立委然後對於剛才講的這個四大主軸的建設確實都很關心我覺得我們會一起跟您還有地方政府一起來努力好謝謝院長那未來宜蘭的關鍵黃金十年我期待能夠在院長還有我們各部會的首長這個支持之下讓宜蘭縣真的能夠來脫胎換骨\n181414\t209773\t那我首先要就教這個院長的部分就是針對宜蘭的這個鐵路高架。宜蘭縣的這個南陽平原目前還有23座的這個平交道。那就我們目前所規劃的這個鐵路高架的範圍15.85公里的範圍內有9座的這個平交道還有4座的路橋。在未來有可能這個建設在這個進行的當中就會去移除。\n210626\t218864\t那當然這個緊張到是大家這個比較擔憂的一個平面的一個交通的一個危險地帶\n219841\t221322\t那在此我想請教院長就是目前我們這個鐵路高架的期程為何?\n249497\t266587\t這一個鐵路高架化的可行性的研究我們行政院早就在109年10月26日就核定了現在正在做環評的作業當中那如果環評審查的結果是在今年的2月22日的時候環境部已經審查完了\n267571\t268191\t議員長,115年底可以順利嗎?這個我們當然是\n297037\t313589\t希望這個鐵道局如果能夠在環評的意見回覆上補正的更快一點,我們當然就可以更提前。那因為最近在2月份有一份這個環評的結果出來,針對這個土壤異化的部分會不會影響到工程的這個進行?\n315273\t336225\t這個比較專業的部分我請部長就是第二次專案小組的確有談到這個課題那目前我們在補資料我們準備在4月底會把它再送到環境部去基本上應該是可以說明可以解決吧因為這未來跟這個高鐵也會有相同的問題所以我希望說應該是要一併解決\n338886\t361702\t另外針對我們非執政的縣市,其實財政都非常困境。對於鐵路高架的部分,宜蘭縣15.85公里的部分要252億,縣政府所要編列的配額款也非常多,超過50億以上。針對這個部分,\n364352\t386643\t中央政府是不是可以對於這個部分能夠來提高相關的這個補助,讓這個縣市政府在爭取相關重大建設的時候,不會卻步,可以勇敢的來爭取。我想所有的軌道的建設都是同樣一個標準,就是我們有相關的經費,有自籌的部分,非自籌。\n387663\t387803\t陳俊宇議員\n408046\t408066\t﹚陳宇\n431775\t431895\t﹚陳俊宇\n463139\t470244\t謝謝院長。我希望說我們這些重大的交通工程發展會帶動地方的一個實際的進步。不要因為配額款的問題讓縣市政府對於爭取的卻步。這樣應該才會能夠實際幫助到地方的發展。\n481864\t496721\t另外我想請教院長針對高鐵延伸宜蘭,高鐵延伸宜蘭的部分目前在二階環坪的部分辦理情形如何?現在二階環坪已經在辦理當中\n500017\t526269\t那這個交通部會努力爭取這一個二階環評能夠盡快的通過那這個要看環境部那我們是以115年底呈報這個計畫為目標然後接下來就是設計跟施工的這個部分所以這二階環評我們會努力來這個計畫送上來到行政院我們會來加速審查這二階環評很重要院長那在115年前環評會不會通過\n530611\t540845\t大概我們目標是1、4年6月那剛才院長所提的是整個綜合規劃跟環評以及送信機的時間所以我們現在就是以明年的6月為目標讓他通過這樣\n543339\t546620\t因為未來這個宜蘭縣他會成為我們三鐵共過的一個很主要的一個站題東部快鐵跟西部高鐵\n570746\t597075\t那未來整個環島的這個6小時的這種高快速的這個路網能夠建置完成的話,相對可以讓整個臺灣變成一日的生活圈。那我想請教院長就是近日不是都在討論說這個環島的這種高鐵路網,那對於這個未來是不是會沉岸?環島的高鐵路網會不會沉岸?會不會影響到這個高鐵延伸?\n598897\t613876\t我想我們目前已經有在規劃的就是宜蘭還有在屏東的部分那我們就慢慢的來一段一段的來完成那至於說要到環島的這個階段的時候我們要考慮到的成本效益等等\n614537\t640029\t那所以在這一個部分當然我們是看看國家經濟發展的狀況還有這個成本效益能夠夠的話我們就一段一段的來完成那宜蘭的部分一定會事先現在已經在規劃了嘛剛才講的二階環評如果過的話我們就往這個目標來做但是我還是要強調一件事情很重要譬如說您剛才講的高鐵站還有台鐵站\n641109\t659875\t實際上當這個軌道進來的時候特定區域的那個開發很重要那對行政府一定要想好清楚像在日本他們那個大阪或者是京都的鐵路站站址他那個聯合開發\n662458\t687544\t我跟委員報告,比如說憲政中心站現在是宜蘭的站,它事實上也是鐵路的一部分,它事實上特定區的收入是可以挹注到比如說這個未來的鐵路高架的部分,高鐵是我們簽了的出資。\n688664\t714253\t第二個反老高鐵不會影響,因為現在到宜蘭嘛,他如果下一步就是宜蘭到花蓮,那開始做可行性,這一段是不會有影響。我希望說這個高鐵特區,剛剛院長提示的高鐵特區,可以更加完善,因為這一個鐵道的工程可能是宜蘭線創線以來最大的一個重大工程,那如果要規劃的話我們也希望說就一次到位。\n715664\t743815\t這個再拜託我們這個王部長跟我們所有的同仁一起努力另外要救教就是我們台六十二線台六十二線延伸宜蘭其實有三個最主要的理由要見第一就是因為這一個這條道路的開闢可以成為我們這個國道五號擁塞情況的一個替代型的道路另外也會成為我們這個宜花東隆特產品這個\n745043\t763797\t﹚議員\n764549\t776711\t這個民眾有一個不同的選擇的路線所以我認為說台62線還是非常重要一定要盡快來做這個規劃那我想請教一下說針對這個部分\n778568\t800310\t這個可行性評估目前進度為何?五月底會不會完成?他三月底就會提出這個期末報告那這個延伸到宜蘭投誠這件的可行性評估我相信提出來以後我們報到行政院我們一定會加速來審議那看看他的可行性怎麼樣然後就來進行\n801281\t803383\t因為宜蘭縣單靠一條國道5號對外聯絡實在是不夠,因為整個台灣的旅遊觀光的民眾會往宜花東去移動。\n814980\t835291\t那所以才會導致這個國道5號的塞車情況那現在如果沒有再增加一條的話常常現在不是假日塞車平時就在塞車所以我請院長跟部長一定要對這個議題的關注另外就是我們目前在進行中的這個T-pass這個通勤月票的優惠我想請教一下就是說\n836055\t853672\t因為在宜蘭縣目前每天大概有7000到8000人在做使用那在還沒有優惠之前每一個月的這個使用的費用大概是超過6000塊以上那縣政府在這個去年的7月曾經做過一個調查\n854537\t864565\t那如果有這個優惠套票的時候會有89.1%近九成的民眾會購買那也有78.8%的民眾近八成的民眾會選擇2300型的這個月票那這個2300型當然就是我們北北基桃1200跟目前這個北宜跨城際的1800\n878075\t881937\t所以我想請教一下部長對這個部分我們可不可以來要求相關單位來做一個這個溝通把這個兩張卡來做合併使用\n908327\t922413\t對的確目前會有一個狀況用180加1200目前用這樣但是他們現在碰到的困難是宜蘭縣政府跟雙北在整個交通運區上面整合這個更改上面有些困難我們來協助\n924213\t945878\t目前宜蘭縣政府是4月份會再把整個計畫送上來基本上這些方案包括未來的2300到雙北都吃飽這樣的方案我們都會支持院長這邊也都支持這個經費但是就是說溝通的部分我們也來協助看怎麼來讓雙北跟宜蘭能夠趕快溝通這是地方政府愛管理\n948448\t949169\t謝謝陳委員、俊宇的質詢。\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那有請我們陳院長麻煩再請陳院長備詢好謝謝院長\n院長我上任以來在今年年初院長您已經到過宜蘭這個實際的視察相關的產業兩次那我也特別感謝院長的用心對於宜蘭的關心當然也要感謝我們王部長王部長對於這個相關的重大工程在\n開立這個相關的這個委員會的說明會的時候我們王部長都親自帶隊到宜蘭去謝謝王部長那也特別感謝我們吳哲成政委因為他對於宜蘭縣的了解那包括宜蘭的這個中央跟這個宜蘭的相關這些建設的這個平台也開過超過35次的這個平台會議謝謝我們的這個吳政委\n那我在此我想說跟院長就教一下就是針對宜蘭縣我有這個設定了一個四大目標就是交通、醫療、產業還有觀光那這個當然交通跟醫療是重中之重我們也希望說這兩個這個面向能夠盡快來做提升來帶動整個宜蘭縣的發展\n當然交通跟醫療的相關建制如果完成之後,產業跟觀光就會隨之發展,這個院長您認同嗎?\n我完全認同而且我覺得是宜蘭人民的這個福氣有這麼好的立委然後對於剛才講的這個四大主軸的建設確實都很關心我覺得我們會一起跟您還有地方政府一起來努力好謝謝院長那未來宜蘭的關鍵黃金十年我期待能夠在院長還有我們各部會的首長這個支持之下讓宜蘭縣真的能夠來脫胎換骨\n那我首先要就教這個院長的部分就是針對宜蘭的這個鐵路高架。宜蘭縣的這個南陽平原目前還有23座的這個平交道。那就我們目前所規劃的這個鐵路高架的範圍15.85公里的範圍內有9座的這個平交道還有4座的路橋。在未來有可能這個建設在這個進行的當中就會去移除。\n那當然這個緊張到是大家這個比較擔憂的一個平面的一個交通的一個危險地帶\n那在此我想請教院長就是目前我們這個鐵路高架的期程為何?\n這一個鐵路高架化的可行性的研究我們行政院早就在109年10月26日就核定了現在正在做環評的作業當中那如果環評審查的結果是在今年的2月22日的時候環境部已經審查完了\n議員長,115年底可以順利嗎?這個我們當然是\n希望這個鐵道局如果能夠在環評的意見回覆上補正的更快一點,我們當然就可以更提前。那因為最近在2月份有一份這個環評的結果出來,針對這個土壤異化的部分會不會影響到工程的這個進行?\n這個比較專業的部分我請部長就是第二次專案小組的確有談到這個課題那目前我們在補資料我們準備在4月底會把它再送到環境部去基本上應該是可以說明可以解決吧因為這未來跟這個高鐵也會有相同的問題所以我希望說應該是要一併解決\n另外針對我們非執政的縣市,其實財政都非常困境。對於鐵路高架的部分,宜蘭縣15.85公里的部分要252億,縣政府所要編列的配額款也非常多,超過50億以上。針對這個部分,\n中央政府是不是可以對於這個部分能夠來提高相關的這個補助,讓這個縣市政府在爭取相關重大建設的時候,不會卻步,可以勇敢的來爭取。我想所有的軌道的建設都是同樣一個標準,就是我們有相關的經費,有自籌的部分,非自籌。\n陳俊宇議員\n﹚陳宇\n﹚陳俊宇\n謝謝院長。我希望說我們這些重大的交通工程發展會帶動地方的一個實際的進步。不要因為配額款的問題讓縣市政府對於爭取的卻步。這樣應該才會能夠實際幫助到地方的發展。\n另外我想請教院長針對高鐵延伸宜蘭,高鐵延伸宜蘭的部分目前在二階環坪的部分辦理情形如何?現在二階環坪已經在辦理當中\n那這個交通部會努力爭取這一個二階環評能夠盡快的通過那這個要看環境部那我們是以115年底呈報這個計畫為目標然後接下來就是設計跟施工的這個部分所以這二階環評我們會努力來這個計畫送上來到行政院我們會來加速審查這二階環評很重要院長那在115年前環評會不會通過\n大概我們目標是1、4年6月那剛才院長所提的是整個綜合規劃跟環評以及送信機的時間所以我們現在就是以明年的6月為目標讓他通過這樣\n因為未來這個宜蘭縣他會成為我們三鐵共過的一個很主要的一個站題東部快鐵跟西部高鐵\n那未來整個環島的這個6小時的這種高快速的這個路網能夠建置完成的話,相對可以讓整個臺灣變成一日的生活圈。那我想請教院長就是近日不是都在討論說這個環島的這種高鐵路網,那對於這個未來是不是會沉岸?環島的高鐵路網會不會沉岸?會不會影響到這個高鐵延伸?\n我想我們目前已經有在規劃的就是宜蘭還有在屏東的部分那我們就慢慢的來一段一段的來完成那至於說要到環島的這個階段的時候我們要考慮到的成本效益等等\n那所以在這一個部分當然我們是看看國家經濟發展的狀況還有這個成本效益能夠夠的話我們就一段一段的來完成那宜蘭的部分一定會事先現在已經在規劃了嘛剛才講的二階環評如果過的話我們就往這個目標來做但是我還是要強調一件事情很重要譬如說您剛才講的高鐵站還有台鐵站\n實際上當這個軌道進來的時候特定區域的那個開發很重要那對行政府一定要想好清楚像在日本他們那個大阪或者是京都的鐵路站站址他那個聯合開發\n我跟委員報告,比如說憲政中心站現在是宜蘭的站,它事實上也是鐵路的一部分,它事實上特定區的收入是可以挹注到比如說這個未來的鐵路高架的部分,高鐵是我們簽了的出資。\n第二個反老高鐵不會影響,因為現在到宜蘭嘛,他如果下一步就是宜蘭到花蓮,那開始做可行性,這一段是不會有影響。我希望說這個高鐵特區,剛剛院長提示的高鐵特區,可以更加完善,因為這一個鐵道的工程可能是宜蘭線創線以來最大的一個重大工程,那如果要規劃的話我們也希望說就一次到位。\n這個再拜託我們這個王部長跟我們所有的同仁一起努力另外要救教就是我們台六十二線台六十二線延伸宜蘭其實有三個最主要的理由要見第一就是因為這一個這條道路的開闢可以成為我們這個國道五號擁塞情況的一個替代型的道路另外也會成為我們這個宜花東隆特產品這個\n﹚議員\n這個民眾有一個不同的選擇的路線所以我認為說台62線還是非常重要一定要盡快來做這個規劃那我想請教一下說針對這個部分\n這個可行性評估目前進度為何?五月底會不會完成?他三月底就會提出這個期末報告那這個延伸到宜蘭投誠這件的可行性評估我相信提出來以後我們報到行政院我們一定會加速來審議那看看他的可行性怎麼樣然後就來進行\n因為宜蘭縣單靠一條國道5號對外聯絡實在是不夠,因為整個台灣的旅遊觀光的民眾會往宜花東去移動。\n那所以才會導致這個國道5號的塞車情況那現在如果沒有再增加一條的話常常現在不是假日塞車平時就在塞車所以我請院長跟部長一定要對這個議題的關注另外就是我們目前在進行中的這個T-pass這個通勤月票的優惠我想請教一下就是說\n因為在宜蘭縣目前每天大概有7000到8000人在做使用那在還沒有優惠之前每一個月的這個使用的費用大概是超過6000塊以上那縣政府在這個去年的7月曾經做過一個調查\n那如果有這個優惠套票的時候會有89.1%近九成的民眾會購買那也有78.8%的民眾近八成的民眾會選擇2300型的這個月票那這個2300型當然就是我們北北基桃1200跟目前這個北宜跨城際的1800\n所以我想請教一下部長對這個部分我們可不可以來要求相關單位來做一個這個溝通把這個兩張卡來做合併使用\n對的確目前會有一個狀況用180加1200目前用這樣但是他們現在碰到的困難是宜蘭縣政府跟雙北在整個交通運區上面整合這個更改上面有些困難我們來協助\n目前宜蘭縣政府是4月份會再把整個計畫送上來基本上這些方案包括未來的2300到雙北都吃飽這樣的方案我們都會支持院長這邊也都支持這個經費但是就是說溝通的部分我們也來協助看怎麼來讓雙北跟宜蘭能夠趕快溝通這是地方政府愛管理\n謝謝陳委員、俊宇的質詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:49.501 --> 00:53.126\n好謝謝主席那有請我們陳院長麻煩再請陳院長備詢好謝謝院長\n\n01:02.011 --> 01:22.228\n院長我上任以來在今年年初院長您已經到過宜蘭這個實際的視察相關的產業兩次那我也特別感謝院長的用心對於宜蘭的關心當然也要感謝我們王部長王部長對於這個相關的重大工程在\n\n01:23.629 --> 01:48.018\n開立這個相關的這個委員會的說明會的時候我們王部長都親自帶隊到宜蘭去謝謝王部長那也特別感謝我們吳哲成政委因為他對於宜蘭縣的了解那包括宜蘭的這個中央跟這個宜蘭的相關這些建設的這個平台也開過超過35次的這個平台會議謝謝我們的這個吳政委\n\n01:52.503 --> 02:20.778\n那我在此我想說跟院長就教一下就是針對宜蘭縣我有這個設定了一個四大目標就是交通、醫療、產業還有觀光那這個當然交通跟醫療是重中之重我們也希望說這兩個這個面向能夠盡快來做提升來帶動整個宜蘭縣的發展\n\n02:22.131 --> 02:28.682\n當然交通跟醫療的相關建制如果完成之後,產業跟觀光就會隨之發展,這個院長您認同嗎?\n\n02:32.183 --> 02:59.790\n我完全認同而且我覺得是宜蘭人民的這個福氣有這麼好的立委然後對於剛才講的這個四大主軸的建設確實都很關心我覺得我們會一起跟您還有地方政府一起來努力好謝謝院長那未來宜蘭的關鍵黃金十年我期待能夠在院長還有我們各部會的首長這個支持之下讓宜蘭縣真的能夠來脫胎換骨\n\n03:01.414 --> 03:29.773\n那我首先要就教這個院長的部分就是針對宜蘭的這個鐵路高架。宜蘭縣的這個南陽平原目前還有23座的這個平交道。那就我們目前所規劃的這個鐵路高架的範圍15.85公里的範圍內有9座的這個平交道還有4座的路橋。在未來有可能這個建設在這個進行的當中就會去移除。\n\n03:30.626 --> 03:38.864\n那當然這個緊張到是大家這個比較擔憂的一個平面的一個交通的一個危險地帶\n\n03:39.841 --> 03:41.322\n那在此我想請教院長就是目前我們這個鐵路高架的期程為何?\n\n04:09.497 --> 04:26.587\n這一個鐵路高架化的可行性的研究我們行政院早就在109年10月26日就核定了現在正在做環評的作業當中那如果環評審查的結果是在今年的2月22日的時候環境部已經審查完了\n\n04:27.571 --> 04:28.191\n議員長,115年底可以順利嗎?這個我們當然是\n\n04:57.037 --> 05:13.589\n希望這個鐵道局如果能夠在環評的意見回覆上補正的更快一點,我們當然就可以更提前。那因為最近在2月份有一份這個環評的結果出來,針對這個土壤異化的部分會不會影響到工程的這個進行?\n\n05:15.273 --> 05:36.225\n這個比較專業的部分我請部長就是第二次專案小組的確有談到這個課題那目前我們在補資料我們準備在4月底會把它再送到環境部去基本上應該是可以說明可以解決吧因為這未來跟這個高鐵也會有相同的問題所以我希望說應該是要一併解決\n\n05:38.886 --> 06:01.702\n另外針對我們非執政的縣市,其實財政都非常困境。對於鐵路高架的部分,宜蘭縣15.85公里的部分要252億,縣政府所要編列的配額款也非常多,超過50億以上。針對這個部分,\n\n06:04.352 --> 06:26.643\n中央政府是不是可以對於這個部分能夠來提高相關的這個補助,讓這個縣市政府在爭取相關重大建設的時候,不會卻步,可以勇敢的來爭取。我想所有的軌道的建設都是同樣一個標準,就是我們有相關的經費,有自籌的部分,非自籌。\n\n06:27.663 --> 06:27.803\n陳俊宇議員\n\n06:48.046 --> 06:48.066\n﹚陳宇\n\n07:11.775 --> 07:11.895\n﹚陳俊宇\n\n07:43.139 --> 07:50.244\n謝謝院長。我希望說我們這些重大的交通工程發展會帶動地方的一個實際的進步。不要因為配額款的問題讓縣市政府對於爭取的卻步。這樣應該才會能夠實際幫助到地方的發展。\n\n08:01.864 --> 08:16.721\n另外我想請教院長針對高鐵延伸宜蘭,高鐵延伸宜蘭的部分目前在二階環坪的部分辦理情形如何?現在二階環坪已經在辦理當中\n\n08:20.017 --> 08:46.269\n那這個交通部會努力爭取這一個二階環評能夠盡快的通過那這個要看環境部那我們是以115年底呈報這個計畫為目標然後接下來就是設計跟施工的這個部分所以這二階環評我們會努力來這個計畫送上來到行政院我們會來加速審查這二階環評很重要院長那在115年前環評會不會通過\n\n08:50.611 --> 09:00.845\n大概我們目標是1、4年6月那剛才院長所提的是整個綜合規劃跟環評以及送信機的時間所以我們現在就是以明年的6月為目標讓他通過這樣\n\n09:03.339 --> 09:06.620\n因為未來這個宜蘭縣他會成為我們三鐵共過的一個很主要的一個站題東部快鐵跟西部高鐵\n\n09:30.746 --> 09:57.075\n那未來整個環島的這個6小時的這種高快速的這個路網能夠建置完成的話,相對可以讓整個臺灣變成一日的生活圈。那我想請教院長就是近日不是都在討論說這個環島的這種高鐵路網,那對於這個未來是不是會沉岸?環島的高鐵路網會不會沉岸?會不會影響到這個高鐵延伸?\n\n09:58.897 --> 10:13.876\n我想我們目前已經有在規劃的就是宜蘭還有在屏東的部分那我們就慢慢的來一段一段的來完成那至於說要到環島的這個階段的時候我們要考慮到的成本效益等等\n\n10:14.537 --> 10:40.029\n那所以在這一個部分當然我們是看看國家經濟發展的狀況還有這個成本效益能夠夠的話我們就一段一段的來完成那宜蘭的部分一定會事先現在已經在規劃了嘛剛才講的二階環評如果過的話我們就往這個目標來做但是我還是要強調一件事情很重要譬如說您剛才講的高鐵站還有台鐵站\n\n10:41.109 --> 10:59.875\n實際上當這個軌道進來的時候特定區域的那個開發很重要那對行政府一定要想好清楚像在日本他們那個大阪或者是京都的鐵路站站址他那個聯合開發\n\n11:02.458 --> 11:27.544\n我跟委員報告,比如說憲政中心站現在是宜蘭的站,它事實上也是鐵路的一部分,它事實上特定區的收入是可以挹注到比如說這個未來的鐵路高架的部分,高鐵是我們簽了的出資。\n\n11:28.664 --> 11:54.253\n第二個反老高鐵不會影響,因為現在到宜蘭嘛,他如果下一步就是宜蘭到花蓮,那開始做可行性,這一段是不會有影響。我希望說這個高鐵特區,剛剛院長提示的高鐵特區,可以更加完善,因為這一個鐵道的工程可能是宜蘭線創線以來最大的一個重大工程,那如果要規劃的話我們也希望說就一次到位。\n\n11:55.664 --> 12:23.815\n這個再拜託我們這個王部長跟我們所有的同仁一起努力另外要救教就是我們台六十二線台六十二線延伸宜蘭其實有三個最主要的理由要見第一就是因為這一個這條道路的開闢可以成為我們這個國道五號擁塞情況的一個替代型的道路另外也會成為我們這個宜花東隆特產品這個\n\n12:44.549 --> 12:56.711\n這個民眾有一個不同的選擇的路線所以我認為說台62線還是非常重要一定要盡快來做這個規劃那我想請教一下說針對這個部分\n\n12:58.568 --> 13:20.310\n這個可行性評估目前進度為何?五月底會不會完成?他三月底就會提出這個期末報告那這個延伸到宜蘭投誠這件的可行性評估我相信提出來以後我們報到行政院我們一定會加速來審議那看看他的可行性怎麼樣然後就來進行\n\n13:21.281 --> 13:23.383\n因為宜蘭縣單靠一條國道5號對外聯絡實在是不夠,因為整個台灣的旅遊觀光的民眾會往宜花東去移動。\n\n13:34.980 --> 13:55.291\n那所以才會導致這個國道5號的塞車情況那現在如果沒有再增加一條的話常常現在不是假日塞車平時就在塞車所以我請院長跟部長一定要對這個議題的關注另外就是我們目前在進行中的這個T-pass這個通勤月票的優惠我想請教一下就是說\n\n13:56.055 --> 14:13.672\n因為在宜蘭縣目前每天大概有7000到8000人在做使用那在還沒有優惠之前每一個月的這個使用的費用大概是超過6000塊以上那縣政府在這個去年的7月曾經做過一個調查\n\n14:14.537 --> 14:24.565\n那如果有這個優惠套票的時候會有89.1%近九成的民眾會購買那也有78.8%的民眾近八成的民眾會選擇2300型的這個月票那這個2300型當然就是我們北北基桃1200跟目前這個北宜跨城際的1800\n\n14:38.075 --> 14:41.937\n所以我想請教一下部長對這個部分我們可不可以來要求相關單位來做一個這個溝通把這個兩張卡來做合併使用\n\n15:08.327 --> 15:22.413\n對的確目前會有一個狀況用180加1200目前用這樣但是他們現在碰到的困難是宜蘭縣政府跟雙北在整個交通運區上面整合這個更改上面有些困難我們來協助\n\n15:24.213 --> 15:45.878\n目前宜蘭縣政府是4月份會再把整個計畫送上來基本上這些方案包括未來的2300到雙北都吃飽這樣的方案我們都會支持院長這邊也都支持這個經費但是就是說溝通的部分我們也來協助看怎麼來讓雙北跟宜蘭能夠趕快溝通這是地方政府愛管理\n\n15:48.448 --> 15:49.169\n謝謝陳委員、俊宇的質詢。\n\n","segments":[{"start":49.501,"end":53.126,"text":"好謝謝主席那有請我們陳院長麻煩再請陳院長備詢好謝謝院長"},{"start":62.011,"end":82.228,"text":"院長我上任以來在今年年初院長您已經到過宜蘭這個實際的視察相關的產業兩次那我也特別感謝院長的用心對於宜蘭的關心當然也要感謝我們王部長王部長對於這個相關的重大工程在"},{"start":83.629,"end":108.018,"text":"開立這個相關的這個委員會的說明會的時候我們王部長都親自帶隊到宜蘭去謝謝王部長那也特別感謝我們吳哲成政委因為他對於宜蘭縣的了解那包括宜蘭的這個中央跟這個宜蘭的相關這些建設的這個平台也開過超過35次的這個平台會議謝謝我們的這個吳政委"},{"start":112.503,"end":140.778,"text":"那我在此我想說跟院長就教一下就是針對宜蘭縣我有這個設定了一個四大目標就是交通、醫療、產業還有觀光那這個當然交通跟醫療是重中之重我們也希望說這兩個這個面向能夠盡快來做提升來帶動整個宜蘭縣的發展"},{"start":142.131,"end":148.682,"text":"當然交通跟醫療的相關建制如果完成之後,產業跟觀光就會隨之發展,這個院長您認同嗎?"},{"start":152.183,"end":179.79,"text":"我完全認同而且我覺得是宜蘭人民的這個福氣有這麼好的立委然後對於剛才講的這個四大主軸的建設確實都很關心我覺得我們會一起跟您還有地方政府一起來努力好謝謝院長那未來宜蘭的關鍵黃金十年我期待能夠在院長還有我們各部會的首長這個支持之下讓宜蘭縣真的能夠來脫胎換骨"},{"start":181.414,"end":209.773,"text":"那我首先要就教這個院長的部分就是針對宜蘭的這個鐵路高架。宜蘭縣的這個南陽平原目前還有23座的這個平交道。那就我們目前所規劃的這個鐵路高架的範圍15.85公里的範圍內有9座的這個平交道還有4座的路橋。在未來有可能這個建設在這個進行的當中就會去移除。"},{"start":210.626,"end":218.864,"text":"那當然這個緊張到是大家這個比較擔憂的一個平面的一個交通的一個危險地帶"},{"start":219.841,"end":221.322,"text":"那在此我想請教院長就是目前我們這個鐵路高架的期程為何?"},{"start":249.497,"end":266.587,"text":"這一個鐵路高架化的可行性的研究我們行政院早就在109年10月26日就核定了現在正在做環評的作業當中那如果環評審查的結果是在今年的2月22日的時候環境部已經審查完了"},{"start":267.571,"end":268.191,"text":"議員長,115年底可以順利嗎?這個我們當然是"},{"start":297.037,"end":313.589,"text":"希望這個鐵道局如果能夠在環評的意見回覆上補正的更快一點,我們當然就可以更提前。那因為最近在2月份有一份這個環評的結果出來,針對這個土壤異化的部分會不會影響到工程的這個進行?"},{"start":315.273,"end":336.225,"text":"這個比較專業的部分我請部長就是第二次專案小組的確有談到這個課題那目前我們在補資料我們準備在4月底會把它再送到環境部去基本上應該是可以說明可以解決吧因為這未來跟這個高鐵也會有相同的問題所以我希望說應該是要一併解決"},{"start":338.886,"end":361.702,"text":"另外針對我們非執政的縣市,其實財政都非常困境。對於鐵路高架的部分,宜蘭縣15.85公里的部分要252億,縣政府所要編列的配額款也非常多,超過50億以上。針對這個部分,"},{"start":364.352,"end":386.643,"text":"中央政府是不是可以對於這個部分能夠來提高相關的這個補助,讓這個縣市政府在爭取相關重大建設的時候,不會卻步,可以勇敢的來爭取。我想所有的軌道的建設都是同樣一個標準,就是我們有相關的經費,有自籌的部分,非自籌。"},{"start":387.663,"end":387.803,"text":"陳俊宇議員"},{"start":408.046,"end":408.066,"text":"﹚陳宇"},{"start":431.775,"end":431.895,"text":"﹚陳俊宇"},{"start":463.139,"end":470.244,"text":"謝謝院長。我希望說我們這些重大的交通工程發展會帶動地方的一個實際的進步。不要因為配額款的問題讓縣市政府對於爭取的卻步。這樣應該才會能夠實際幫助到地方的發展。"},{"start":481.864,"end":496.721,"text":"另外我想請教院長針對高鐵延伸宜蘭,高鐵延伸宜蘭的部分目前在二階環坪的部分辦理情形如何?現在二階環坪已經在辦理當中"},{"start":500.017,"end":526.269,"text":"那這個交通部會努力爭取這一個二階環評能夠盡快的通過那這個要看環境部那我們是以115年底呈報這個計畫為目標然後接下來就是設計跟施工的這個部分所以這二階環評我們會努力來這個計畫送上來到行政院我們會來加速審查這二階環評很重要院長那在115年前環評會不會通過"},{"start":530.611,"end":540.845,"text":"大概我們目標是1、4年6月那剛才院長所提的是整個綜合規劃跟環評以及送信機的時間所以我們現在就是以明年的6月為目標讓他通過這樣"},{"start":543.339,"end":546.62,"text":"因為未來這個宜蘭縣他會成為我們三鐵共過的一個很主要的一個站題東部快鐵跟西部高鐵"},{"start":570.746,"end":597.075,"text":"那未來整個環島的這個6小時的這種高快速的這個路網能夠建置完成的話,相對可以讓整個臺灣變成一日的生活圈。那我想請教院長就是近日不是都在討論說這個環島的這種高鐵路網,那對於這個未來是不是會沉岸?環島的高鐵路網會不會沉岸?會不會影響到這個高鐵延伸?"},{"start":598.897,"end":613.876,"text":"我想我們目前已經有在規劃的就是宜蘭還有在屏東的部分那我們就慢慢的來一段一段的來完成那至於說要到環島的這個階段的時候我們要考慮到的成本效益等等"},{"start":614.537,"end":640.029,"text":"那所以在這一個部分當然我們是看看國家經濟發展的狀況還有這個成本效益能夠夠的話我們就一段一段的來完成那宜蘭的部分一定會事先現在已經在規劃了嘛剛才講的二階環評如果過的話我們就往這個目標來做但是我還是要強調一件事情很重要譬如說您剛才講的高鐵站還有台鐵站"},{"start":641.109,"end":659.875,"text":"實際上當這個軌道進來的時候特定區域的那個開發很重要那對行政府一定要想好清楚像在日本他們那個大阪或者是京都的鐵路站站址他那個聯合開發"},{"start":662.458,"end":687.544,"text":"我跟委員報告,比如說憲政中心站現在是宜蘭的站,它事實上也是鐵路的一部分,它事實上特定區的收入是可以挹注到比如說這個未來的鐵路高架的部分,高鐵是我們簽了的出資。"},{"start":688.664,"end":714.253,"text":"第二個反老高鐵不會影響,因為現在到宜蘭嘛,他如果下一步就是宜蘭到花蓮,那開始做可行性,這一段是不會有影響。我希望說這個高鐵特區,剛剛院長提示的高鐵特區,可以更加完善,因為這一個鐵道的工程可能是宜蘭線創線以來最大的一個重大工程,那如果要規劃的話我們也希望說就一次到位。"},{"start":715.664,"end":743.815,"text":"這個再拜託我們這個王部長跟我們所有的同仁一起努力另外要救教就是我們台六十二線台六十二線延伸宜蘭其實有三個最主要的理由要見第一就是因為這一個這條道路的開闢可以成為我們這個國道五號擁塞情況的一個替代型的道路另外也會成為我們這個宜花東隆特產品這個"},{"start":745.043,"end":763.797,"text":"﹚議員"},{"start":764.549,"end":776.711,"text":"這個民眾有一個不同的選擇的路線所以我認為說台62線還是非常重要一定要盡快來做這個規劃那我想請教一下說針對這個部分"},{"start":778.568,"end":800.31,"text":"這個可行性評估目前進度為何?五月底會不會完成?他三月底就會提出這個期末報告那這個延伸到宜蘭投誠這件的可行性評估我相信提出來以後我們報到行政院我們一定會加速來審議那看看他的可行性怎麼樣然後就來進行"},{"start":801.281,"end":803.383,"text":"因為宜蘭縣單靠一條國道5號對外聯絡實在是不夠,因為整個台灣的旅遊觀光的民眾會往宜花東去移動。"},{"start":814.98,"end":835.291,"text":"那所以才會導致這個國道5號的塞車情況那現在如果沒有再增加一條的話常常現在不是假日塞車平時就在塞車所以我請院長跟部長一定要對這個議題的關注另外就是我們目前在進行中的這個T-pass這個通勤月票的優惠我想請教一下就是說"},{"start":836.055,"end":853.672,"text":"因為在宜蘭縣目前每天大概有7000到8000人在做使用那在還沒有優惠之前每一個月的這個使用的費用大概是超過6000塊以上那縣政府在這個去年的7月曾經做過一個調查"},{"start":854.537,"end":864.565,"text":"那如果有這個優惠套票的時候會有89.1%近九成的民眾會購買那也有78.8%的民眾近八成的民眾會選擇2300型的這個月票那這個2300型當然就是我們北北基桃1200跟目前這個北宜跨城際的1800"},{"start":878.075,"end":881.937,"text":"所以我想請教一下部長對這個部分我們可不可以來要求相關單位來做一個這個溝通把這個兩張卡來做合併使用"},{"start":908.327,"end":922.413,"text":"對的確目前會有一個狀況用180加1200目前用這樣但是他們現在碰到的困難是宜蘭縣政府跟雙北在整個交通運區上面整合這個更改上面有些困難我們來協助"},{"start":924.213,"end":945.878,"text":"目前宜蘭縣政府是4月份會再把整個計畫送上來基本上這些方案包括未來的2300到雙北都吃飽這樣的方案我們都會支持院長這邊也都支持這個經費但是就是說溝通的部分我們也來協助看怎麼來讓雙北跟宜蘭能夠趕快溝通這是地方政府愛管理"},{"start":948.448,"end":949.169,"text":"謝謝陳委員、俊宇的質詢。"}]}}}}