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00:00:32,493\n想請部長主席各位委員同事各位官員早安主委好早安好這個是大家都知道的事情在臺灣呢每一個兒童不管是什麼身份的兒童我們都應該要尊重兒童權利公約而且用兒童最佳利益為優先考量\n\n2\n00:00:34,559 --> 00:00:50,404\n這個週末很多人都感到很傷心因為我們的虐童案還未結束但又發現有兩名失聯移工的子女疑似遭到虐待而且其中一位已經離世了另外一位我們非常希望他在好轉中\n\n3\n00:00:51,644 --> 00:01:15,117\n好,我們都知道呢在台灣的移工人數嘛大概有一半以上是女性而且78%是25到44歲的青壯年所以在這個年紀懷孕也是相當合理的但他們的生育權他們生下來的小朋友有沒有辦法讓我們台灣政府好好的保障是我們今天要來討論的議題\n\n4\n00:01:18,105 --> 00:01:33,167\n這邊很難過的看到兩位監委在111年就已經對勞動部提出糾正說到避免女性外籍移工在懷孕後被迫終止契約回國或發生失聯但\n\n5\n00:01:34,067 --> 00:02:02,235\n勞動部空有政策與措施卻落實不足導致懷孕的移工被迫解約不斷發生甚至擔心遭解約而隱忍懷孕未做產檢沒有辦法保障懷孕移工的權益而上週末的這個新聞這兩個可憐的小朋友他們就是這樣他們沒有戶口黑戶而且沒有受過任何的產檢也沒有打過任何的疫苗\n\n6\n00:02:04,056 --> 00:02:21,638\n請問部長,這個111年的糾正案文,到現在您有什麼具體的解方嗎?報告委員,那兩名小朋友,其中一位不是移工,他是在台灣的學生的小孩\n\n7\n00:02:22,459 --> 00:02:50,327\n這個我們史瓦帝尼、史瓦帝尼級的學生的小孩這個我們看到這個新聞有去了解之後那另外有一名是確實失聯移工先澄清一下那第二個就是說經常用這個糾正文其實報告委它是糾正行政院那涉及跨部會包括勞動部、衛福部還有教育部就是說因為黑戶寶寶這個問題不是只有說失聯移工它可能包括一些\n\n8\n00:02:51,447 --> 00:03:18,664\n就是非法居留的外國人。移民署目前調查起來,如果是失聯移工的黑戶寶寶,已經到了一千到兩千之間了。報告人,我們大概近二十年,我們看統計資料,近二十年黑戶寶寶大概有一萬八,然後我們失聯移工大概不到百分之二十,大概有三千五百多人,大概十九減多趴,不到我們之一。\n\n9\n00:03:19,424 --> 00:03:42,985\n三千五百多人總人數黑五寶寶是一萬八這個部分當然我們跟委員報告這件事情就正在行政院有召集跨部會協商那就是針對因為這些黑五寶寶涉及很多問題第一個他的國籍、他的安置、他的醫療、他的社福、他的教育等等所以有\n\n10\n00:03:44,146 --> 00:04:04,099\n請相關部會,目前主責的部會是衛福部,我們各部會有分工,像內政部他就是這些黑戶寶寶他的國籍他的居留,還有就是私人移工他所吸子女的安置是內政部。但是現在111年糾正到至今還沒有結案。\n\n11\n00:04:05,717 --> 00:04:32,224\n委員這個就是說糾正以後我們就是跨部會那麼大家去本於各自的權責去協助這些黑屋寶寶的相關的事務啦那像勞動部主要黑屋寶寶他們安置還有遣返的費用全部都是那個勞動部來負責其實我有把你們回覆了四份公文啦你們有提出四份報告回覆檢查我都把它看完了\n\n12\n00:04:33,004 --> 00:04:54,849\n但裡面大部分的內容很多是複製貼上那越來越長所以其實等一下我們來一起檢討一些數據因為看起來這兩位監察員很密切的在追蹤這個案子他們115年才要退休但是我們勞動部具體可以做出什麼改善似乎是目前還看不太出來\n\n13\n00:04:55,709 --> 00:05:17,493\n所以我們來看一下我們仔細的分析我們女性移工因為他們也符合領取生育補助所以他們來領取因為懷孕領取生育補助的人數跟最後這些懷孕的人在終止契約之下離境我們從107年到110年你看到他的比例越來越高從28%升高到74%\n\n14\n00:05:21,414 --> 00:05:44,498\n但從這個數據我們看不出來幾個資訊第一他這個終止契約到底是不是假終止真違法他其實是不願意被解聘的再來我們如果領了這個生育補助但是最後沒有離境你們有沒有去好好的追蹤他們有沒有好好的生下寶寶或是他們失聯了呢\n\n15\n00:05:47,292 --> 00:06:02,620\n報告委員像現在的這種終止我先說明一下地方政府一定要做驗證一定要驗證一定要確認他是有這個終止的真正的意思他們才會準然後現在就是說\n\n16\n00:06:04,541 --> 00:06:27,961\n他們假設是合一宗子返國的這個有我們去年去年的人數我們現在你看一下數據這最新的112年上半年每5個有領到生育的生育補助的4個就會離境所以假使我是移工的同儕\n\n17\n00:06:29,622 --> 00:06:54,497\n我是嚇死啊,原來懷孕以前20%的人要離境現在80%的人會終止合約離境所以對我來說移工如果懷孕只有一個選擇啊就是離開這裡嘛第二個選擇就是我們所謂的失聯嘛那您剛講的這個驗證機制吼你有去追查這個驗證機制的成效1955專線的成效如何嗎\n\n18\n00:06:58,819 --> 00:07:23,637\n這個報告委員我們都有因為這個是地方勞政機關他一定要去確認所以這個部分我們其實都會去做也會追蹤我們來看一下這是你的報告所述你的報告所述近5年並無雇主以移工懷孕為由終止而違反性平法但監察院紀惠蓉委員調查\n\n19\n00:07:25,419 --> 00:07:52,700\n這個找了1955專線所申訴的20個案件最終呢都是撤案他就被核卸掉了所以其實你的數據並沒有辦法完整的呈現最終這個1955的調查到底有沒有效這個驗證到底有沒有效你的監察院報告裡面都有寫啦你們在調解的時候會注意他有沒有面露這個緊張的神情啊等等的這個四份都一樣啦但是\n\n20\n00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,624\n很顯然的這個沒有什麼效為什麼懷孕而返國的人這幾年來會從20%變80%\n\n21\n00:08:03,804 --> 00:08:23,251\n那報告委是這樣子假設真的有這個被迫的情形我們一定會介入處理但是我們也鼓勵移工他勇敢申訴其實我們現在就是有做宣導現在移工進來部長你有看過這本書嗎這本書是調查失聯移工他們為什麼離開台灣\n\n22\n00:08:36,922 --> 00:08:49,569\n這本書很詳細的描述他們是什麼原因離開其實有些故事還蠻傷心的有一個移工說他花了一萬多美金兩次的中介費才來台灣工作但他不小心懷孕了\n\n23\n00:08:50,009 --> 00:09:05,457\n他知道他一定公司會強制把他送回越南所以他才選擇失聯因為他一定要賺回那一萬多美金的仲介費才有辦法所以這個監察院的報告已經很顯示你們這件事情好像跟你實際調查還有獲得的資訊不同再來對\n\n24\n00:09:09,259 --> 00:09:25,682\n再來我們從移民署的報告看起來你看109年到112年他最後呢需要安置懷孕的失聯移工或是稀有子女的居然增加了三倍居然增加了三倍\n\n25\n00:09:28,993 --> 00:09:47,960\n所以對懷孕的移工而言他真的是只有兩個很不幸的選擇不是回去不然就是變成我們社會安全網接不住的小孩就是上週很悲慘的新聞所以最後我們剩下時間不多本席提出三大改善的方向\n\n26\n00:09:48,900 --> 00:10:05,530\n當然這些部長都已經知道了差不多了第一宣導沒有到位所以我提供一個新的建議因為在我職業20年的生涯我們面對非預期懷孕因為你從來沒有去這些安置他們的地方詢問他說你這個懷孕是預期還是非預期嗎當我們面對非預期的懷孕的時候其實\n\n27\n00:10:10,493 --> 00:10:26,910\n副產科醫師會跟個案討論未來我們應該要怎麼避孕因為雖然小時候學校都有教過但是難免都會忘記嘛所以你應該要在他入境的時候除了對他的權益、生育權等等性平法全部都有教育以外我想避孕也是很重要一環\n\n28\n00:10:27,771 --> 00:10:52,363\n對他他他有可能在他工作的期間他並不希望有非預期的懷孕所以你的專線也應該要提供這樣子的諮商嘛就可以避免這些遺憾的事情還有在他合約這個終止合約你們應該要更完善的法律跟輔導資源以及建立我們這個雇主呢友善移工的育兒環境不然我們還要面對更多的移工我不曉得未來\n\n29\n00:10:53,323 --> 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個部分我們其實都會去做也會追蹤我們來看一下這是你的報告所述你的報告所述近5年並無雇主以移工懷孕為由終止而違反性平法但監察院紀惠蓉委員調查\n這個找了1955專線所申訴的20個案件最終呢都是撤案他就被核卸掉了所以其實你的數據並沒有辦法完整的呈現最終這個1955的調查到底有沒有效這個驗證到底有沒有效你的監察院報告裡面都有寫啦你們在調解的時候會注意他有沒有面露這個緊張的神情啊等等的這個四份都一樣啦但是\n很顯然的這個沒有什麼效為什麼懷孕而返國的人這幾年來會從20%變80%\n那報告委是這樣子假設真的有這個被迫的情形我們一定會介入處理但是我們也鼓勵移工他勇敢申訴其實我們現在就是有做宣導現在移工進來部長你有看過這本書嗎這本書是調查失聯移工他們為什麼離開台灣\n這本書很詳細的描述他們是什麼原因離開其實有些故事還蠻傷心的有一個移工說他花了一萬多美金兩次的中介費才來台灣工作但他不小心懷孕了\n他知道他一定公司會強制把他送回越南所以他才選擇失聯因為他一定要賺回那一萬多美金的仲介費才有辦法所以這個監察院的報告已經很顯示你們這件事情好像跟你實際調查還有獲得的資訊不同再來對\n再來我們從移民署的報告看起來你看109年到112年他最後呢需要安置懷孕的失聯移工或是稀有子女的居然增加了三倍居然增加了三倍\n所以對懷孕的移工而言他真的是只有兩個很不幸的選擇不是回去不然就是變成我們社會安全網接不住的小孩就是上週很悲慘的新聞所以最後我們剩下時間不多本席提出三大改善的方向\n當然這些部長都已經知道了差不多了第一宣導沒有到位所以我提供一個新的建議因為在我職業20年的生涯我們面對非預期懷孕因為你從來沒有去這些安置他們的地方詢問他說你這個懷孕是預期還是非預期嗎當我們面對非預期的懷孕的時候其實\n副產科醫師會跟個案討論未來我們應該要怎麼避孕因為雖然小時候學校都有教過但是難免都會忘記嘛所以你應該要在他入境的時候除了對他的權益、生育權等等性平法全部都有教育以外我想避孕也是很重要一環\n對他他他有可能在他工作的期間他並不希望有非預期的懷孕所以你的專線也應該要提供這樣子的諮商嘛就可以避免這些遺憾的事情還有在他合約這個終止合約你們應該要更完善的法律跟輔導資源以及建立我們這個雇主呢友善移工的育兒環境不然我們還要面對更多的移工我不曉得未來\n我們應該要怎麼處理這些失聯的移工還有他們的黑戶寶寶,是吧?是,謝謝委員的指教,我們會再強化,有些都在做了,有些如果還不足的,我們再把它精進再強化。有,好,謝謝,謝謝部長。好,謝謝陳金輝委員的質詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.631 --> 00:32.493\n想請部長主席各位委員同事各位官員早安主委好早安好這個是大家都知道的事情在臺灣呢每一個兒童不管是什麼身份的兒童我們都應該要尊重兒童權利公約而且用兒童最佳利益為優先考量\n\n00:34.559 --> 00:50.404\n這個週末很多人都感到很傷心因為我們的虐童案還未結束但又發現有兩名失聯移工的子女疑似遭到虐待而且其中一位已經離世了另外一位我們非常希望他在好轉中\n\n00:51.644 --> 01:15.117\n好,我們都知道呢在台灣的移工人數嘛大概有一半以上是女性而且78%是25到44歲的青壯年所以在這個年紀懷孕也是相當合理的但他們的生育權他們生下來的小朋友有沒有辦法讓我們台灣政府好好的保障是我們今天要來討論的議題\n\n01:18.105 --> 01:33.167\n這邊很難過的看到兩位監委在111年就已經對勞動部提出糾正說到避免女性外籍移工在懷孕後被迫終止契約回國或發生失聯但\n\n01:34.067 --> 02:02.235\n勞動部空有政策與措施卻落實不足導致懷孕的移工被迫解約不斷發生甚至擔心遭解約而隱忍懷孕未做產檢沒有辦法保障懷孕移工的權益而上週末的這個新聞這兩個可憐的小朋友他們就是這樣他們沒有戶口黑戶而且沒有受過任何的產檢也沒有打過任何的疫苗\n\n02:04.056 --> 02:21.638\n請問部長,這個111年的糾正案文,到現在您有什麼具體的解方嗎?報告委員,那兩名小朋友,其中一位不是移工,他是在台灣的學生的小孩\n\n02:22.459 --> 02:50.327\n這個我們史瓦帝尼、史瓦帝尼級的學生的小孩這個我們看到這個新聞有去了解之後那另外有一名是確實失聯移工先澄清一下那第二個就是說經常用這個糾正文其實報告委它是糾正行政院那涉及跨部會包括勞動部、衛福部還有教育部就是說因為黑戶寶寶這個問題不是只有說失聯移工它可能包括一些\n\n02:51.447 --> 03:18.664\n就是非法居留的外國人。移民署目前調查起來,如果是失聯移工的黑戶寶寶,已經到了一千到兩千之間了。報告人,我們大概近二十年,我們看統計資料,近二十年黑戶寶寶大概有一萬八,然後我們失聯移工大概不到百分之二十,大概有三千五百多人,大概十九減多趴,不到我們之一。\n\n03:19.424 --> 03:42.985\n三千五百多人總人數黑五寶寶是一萬八這個部分當然我們跟委員報告這件事情就正在行政院有召集跨部會協商那就是針對因為這些黑五寶寶涉及很多問題第一個他的國籍、他的安置、他的醫療、他的社福、他的教育等等所以有\n\n03:44.146 --> 04:04.099\n請相關部會,目前主責的部會是衛福部,我們各部會有分工,像內政部他就是這些黑戶寶寶他的國籍他的居留,還有就是私人移工他所吸子女的安置是內政部。但是現在111年糾正到至今還沒有結案。\n\n04:05.717 --> 04:32.224\n委員這個就是說糾正以後我們就是跨部會那麼大家去本於各自的權責去協助這些黑屋寶寶的相關的事務啦那像勞動部主要黑屋寶寶他們安置還有遣返的費用全部都是那個勞動部來負責其實我有把你們回覆了四份公文啦你們有提出四份報告回覆檢查我都把它看完了\n\n04:33.004 --> 04:54.849\n但裡面大部分的內容很多是複製貼上那越來越長所以其實等一下我們來一起檢討一些數據因為看起來這兩位監察員很密切的在追蹤這個案子他們115年才要退休但是我們勞動部具體可以做出什麼改善似乎是目前還看不太出來\n\n04:55.709 --> 05:17.493\n所以我們來看一下我們仔細的分析我們女性移工因為他們也符合領取生育補助所以他們來領取因為懷孕領取生育補助的人數跟最後這些懷孕的人在終止契約之下離境我們從107年到110年你看到他的比例越來越高從28%升高到74%\n\n05:21.414 --> 05:44.498\n但從這個數據我們看不出來幾個資訊第一他這個終止契約到底是不是假終止真違法他其實是不願意被解聘的再來我們如果領了這個生育補助但是最後沒有離境你們有沒有去好好的追蹤他們有沒有好好的生下寶寶或是他們失聯了呢\n\n05:47.292 --> 06:02.620\n報告委員像現在的這種終止我先說明一下地方政府一定要做驗證一定要驗證一定要確認他是有這個終止的真正的意思他們才會準然後現在就是說\n\n06:04.541 --> 06:27.961\n他們假設是合一宗子返國的這個有我們去年去年的人數我們現在你看一下數據這最新的112年上半年每5個有領到生育的生育補助的4個就會離境所以假使我是移工的同儕\n\n06:29.622 --> 06:54.497\n我是嚇死啊,原來懷孕以前20%的人要離境現在80%的人會終止合約離境所以對我來說移工如果懷孕只有一個選擇啊就是離開這裡嘛第二個選擇就是我們所謂的失聯嘛那您剛講的這個驗證機制吼你有去追查這個驗證機制的成效1955專線的成效如何嗎\n\n06:58.819 --> 07:23.637\n這個報告委員我們都有因為這個是地方勞政機關他一定要去確認所以這個部分我們其實都會去做也會追蹤我們來看一下這是你的報告所述你的報告所述近5年並無雇主以移工懷孕為由終止而違反性平法但監察院紀惠蓉委員調查\n\n07:25.419 --> 07:52.700\n這個找了1955專線所申訴的20個案件最終呢都是撤案他就被核卸掉了所以其實你的數據並沒有辦法完整的呈現最終這個1955的調查到底有沒有效這個驗證到底有沒有效你的監察院報告裡面都有寫啦你們在調解的時候會注意他有沒有面露這個緊張的神情啊等等的這個四份都一樣啦但是\n\n07:53.200 --> 07:58.624\n很顯然的這個沒有什麼效為什麼懷孕而返國的人這幾年來會從20%變80%\n\n08:03.804 --> 08:23.251\n那報告委是這樣子假設真的有這個被迫的情形我們一定會介入處理但是我們也鼓勵移工他勇敢申訴其實我們現在就是有做宣導現在移工進來部長你有看過這本書嗎這本書是調查失聯移工他們為什麼離開台灣\n\n08:36.922 --> 08:49.569\n這本書很詳細的描述他們是什麼原因離開其實有些故事還蠻傷心的有一個移工說他花了一萬多美金兩次的中介費才來台灣工作但他不小心懷孕了\n\n08:50.009 --> 09:05.457\n他知道他一定公司會強制把他送回越南所以他才選擇失聯因為他一定要賺回那一萬多美金的仲介費才有辦法所以這個監察院的報告已經很顯示你們這件事情好像跟你實際調查還有獲得的資訊不同再來對\n\n09:09.259 --> 09:25.682\n再來我們從移民署的報告看起來你看109年到112年他最後呢需要安置懷孕的失聯移工或是稀有子女的居然增加了三倍居然增加了三倍\n\n09:28.993 --> 09:47.960\n所以對懷孕的移工而言他真的是只有兩個很不幸的選擇不是回去不然就是變成我們社會安全網接不住的小孩就是上週很悲慘的新聞所以最後我們剩下時間不多本席提出三大改善的方向\n\n09:48.900 --> 10:05.530\n當然這些部長都已經知道了差不多了第一宣導沒有到位所以我提供一個新的建議因為在我職業20年的生涯我們面對非預期懷孕因為你從來沒有去這些安置他們的地方詢問他說你這個懷孕是預期還是非預期嗎當我們面對非預期的懷孕的時候其實\n\n10:10.493 --> 10:26.910\n副產科醫師會跟個案討論未來我們應該要怎麼避孕因為雖然小時候學校都有教過但是難免都會忘記嘛所以你應該要在他入境的時候除了對他的權益、生育權等等性平法全部都有教育以外我想避孕也是很重要一環\n\n10:27.771 --> 10:52.363\n對他他他有可能在他工作的期間他並不希望有非預期的懷孕所以你的專線也應該要提供這樣子的諮商嘛就可以避免這些遺憾的事情還有在他合約這個終止合約你們應該要更完善的法律跟輔導資源以及建立我們這個雇主呢友善移工的育兒環境不然我們還要面對更多的移工我不曉得未來\n\n10:53.323 --> 11:08.098\n我們應該要怎麼處理這些失聯的移工還有他們的黑戶寶寶,是吧?是,謝謝委員的指教,我們會再強化,有些都在做了,有些如果還不足的,我們再把它精進再強化。有,好,謝謝,謝謝部長。好,謝謝陳金輝委員的質詢。\n\n","segments":[{"start":9.631,"end":32.493,"text":"想請部長主席各位委員同事各位官員早安主委好早安好這個是大家都知道的事情在臺灣呢每一個兒童不管是什麼身份的兒童我們都應該要尊重兒童權利公約而且用兒童最佳利益為優先考量"},{"start":34.559,"end":50.404,"text":"這個週末很多人都感到很傷心因為我們的虐童案還未結束但又發現有兩名失聯移工的子女疑似遭到虐待而且其中一位已經離世了另外一位我們非常希望他在好轉中"},{"start":51.644,"end":75.117,"text":"好,我們都知道呢在台灣的移工人數嘛大概有一半以上是女性而且78%是25到44歲的青壯年所以在這個年紀懷孕也是相當合理的但他們的生育權他們生下來的小朋友有沒有辦法讓我們台灣政府好好的保障是我們今天要來討論的議題"},{"start":78.105,"end":93.167,"text":"這邊很難過的看到兩位監委在111年就已經對勞動部提出糾正說到避免女性外籍移工在懷孕後被迫終止契約回國或發生失聯但"},{"start":94.067,"end":122.235,"text":"勞動部空有政策與措施卻落實不足導致懷孕的移工被迫解約不斷發生甚至擔心遭解約而隱忍懷孕未做產檢沒有辦法保障懷孕移工的權益而上週末的這個新聞這兩個可憐的小朋友他們就是這樣他們沒有戶口黑戶而且沒有受過任何的產檢也沒有打過任何的疫苗"},{"start":124.056,"end":141.638,"text":"請問部長,這個111年的糾正案文,到現在您有什麼具體的解方嗎?報告委員,那兩名小朋友,其中一位不是移工,他是在台灣的學生的小孩"},{"start":142.459,"end":170.327,"text":"這個我們史瓦帝尼、史瓦帝尼級的學生的小孩這個我們看到這個新聞有去了解之後那另外有一名是確實失聯移工先澄清一下那第二個就是說經常用這個糾正文其實報告委它是糾正行政院那涉及跨部會包括勞動部、衛福部還有教育部就是說因為黑戶寶寶這個問題不是只有說失聯移工它可能包括一些"},{"start":171.447,"end":198.664,"text":"就是非法居留的外國人。移民署目前調查起來,如果是失聯移工的黑戶寶寶,已經到了一千到兩千之間了。報告人,我們大概近二十年,我們看統計資料,近二十年黑戶寶寶大概有一萬八,然後我們失聯移工大概不到百分之二十,大概有三千五百多人,大概十九減多趴,不到我們之一。"},{"start":199.424,"end":222.985,"text":"三千五百多人總人數黑五寶寶是一萬八這個部分當然我們跟委員報告這件事情就正在行政院有召集跨部會協商那就是針對因為這些黑五寶寶涉及很多問題第一個他的國籍、他的安置、他的醫療、他的社福、他的教育等等所以有"},{"start":224.146,"end":244.099,"text":"請相關部會,目前主責的部會是衛福部,我們各部會有分工,像內政部他就是這些黑戶寶寶他的國籍他的居留,還有就是私人移工他所吸子女的安置是內政部。但是現在111年糾正到至今還沒有結案。"},{"start":245.717,"end":272.224,"text":"委員這個就是說糾正以後我們就是跨部會那麼大家去本於各自的權責去協助這些黑屋寶寶的相關的事務啦那像勞動部主要黑屋寶寶他們安置還有遣返的費用全部都是那個勞動部來負責其實我有把你們回覆了四份公文啦你們有提出四份報告回覆檢查我都把它看完了"},{"start":273.004,"end":294.849,"text":"但裡面大部分的內容很多是複製貼上那越來越長所以其實等一下我們來一起檢討一些數據因為看起來這兩位監察員很密切的在追蹤這個案子他們115年才要退休但是我們勞動部具體可以做出什麼改善似乎是目前還看不太出來"},{"start":295.709,"end":317.493,"text":"所以我們來看一下我們仔細的分析我們女性移工因為他們也符合領取生育補助所以他們來領取因為懷孕領取生育補助的人數跟最後這些懷孕的人在終止契約之下離境我們從107年到110年你看到他的比例越來越高從28%升高到74%"},{"start":321.414,"end":344.498,"text":"但從這個數據我們看不出來幾個資訊第一他這個終止契約到底是不是假終止真違法他其實是不願意被解聘的再來我們如果領了這個生育補助但是最後沒有離境你們有沒有去好好的追蹤他們有沒有好好的生下寶寶或是他們失聯了呢"},{"start":347.292,"end":362.62,"text":"報告委員像現在的這種終止我先說明一下地方政府一定要做驗證一定要驗證一定要確認他是有這個終止的真正的意思他們才會準然後現在就是說"},{"start":364.541,"end":387.961,"text":"他們假設是合一宗子返國的這個有我們去年去年的人數我們現在你看一下數據這最新的112年上半年每5個有領到生育的生育補助的4個就會離境所以假使我是移工的同儕"},{"start":389.622,"end":414.497,"text":"我是嚇死啊,原來懷孕以前20%的人要離境現在80%的人會終止合約離境所以對我來說移工如果懷孕只有一個選擇啊就是離開這裡嘛第二個選擇就是我們所謂的失聯嘛那您剛講的這個驗證機制吼你有去追查這個驗證機制的成效1955專線的成效如何嗎"},{"start":418.819,"end":443.637,"text":"這個報告委員我們都有因為這個是地方勞政機關他一定要去確認所以這個部分我們其實都會去做也會追蹤我們來看一下這是你的報告所述你的報告所述近5年並無雇主以移工懷孕為由終止而違反性平法但監察院紀惠蓉委員調查"},{"start":445.419,"end":472.7,"text":"這個找了1955專線所申訴的20個案件最終呢都是撤案他就被核卸掉了所以其實你的數據並沒有辦法完整的呈現最終這個1955的調查到底有沒有效這個驗證到底有沒有效你的監察院報告裡面都有寫啦你們在調解的時候會注意他有沒有面露這個緊張的神情啊等等的這個四份都一樣啦但是"},{"start":473.2,"end":478.624,"text":"很顯然的這個沒有什麼效為什麼懷孕而返國的人這幾年來會從20%變80%"},{"start":483.804,"end":503.251,"text":"那報告委是這樣子假設真的有這個被迫的情形我們一定會介入處理但是我們也鼓勵移工他勇敢申訴其實我們現在就是有做宣導現在移工進來部長你有看過這本書嗎這本書是調查失聯移工他們為什麼離開台灣"},{"start":516.922,"end":529.569,"text":"這本書很詳細的描述他們是什麼原因離開其實有些故事還蠻傷心的有一個移工說他花了一萬多美金兩次的中介費才來台灣工作但他不小心懷孕了"},{"start":530.009,"end":545.457,"text":"他知道他一定公司會強制把他送回越南所以他才選擇失聯因為他一定要賺回那一萬多美金的仲介費才有辦法所以這個監察院的報告已經很顯示你們這件事情好像跟你實際調查還有獲得的資訊不同再來對"},{"start":549.259,"end":565.682,"text":"再來我們從移民署的報告看起來你看109年到112年他最後呢需要安置懷孕的失聯移工或是稀有子女的居然增加了三倍居然增加了三倍"},{"start":568.993,"end":587.96,"text":"所以對懷孕的移工而言他真的是只有兩個很不幸的選擇不是回去不然就是變成我們社會安全網接不住的小孩就是上週很悲慘的新聞所以最後我們剩下時間不多本席提出三大改善的方向"},{"start":588.9,"end":605.53,"text":"當然這些部長都已經知道了差不多了第一宣導沒有到位所以我提供一個新的建議因為在我職業20年的生涯我們面對非預期懷孕因為你從來沒有去這些安置他們的地方詢問他說你這個懷孕是預期還是非預期嗎當我們面對非預期的懷孕的時候其實"},{"start":610.493,"end":626.91,"text":"副產科醫師會跟個案討論未來我們應該要怎麼避孕因為雖然小時候學校都有教過但是難免都會忘記嘛所以你應該要在他入境的時候除了對他的權益、生育權等等性平法全部都有教育以外我想避孕也是很重要一環"},{"start":627.771,"end":652.363,"text":"對他他他有可能在他工作的期間他並不希望有非預期的懷孕所以你的專線也應該要提供這樣子的諮商嘛就可以避免這些遺憾的事情還有在他合約這個終止合約你們應該要更完善的法律跟輔導資源以及建立我們這個雇主呢友善移工的育兒環境不然我們還要面對更多的移工我不曉得未來"},{"start":653.323,"end":668.098,"text":"我們應該要怎麼處理這些失聯的移工還有他們的黑戶寶寶,是吧?是,謝謝委員的指教,我們會再強化,有些都在做了,有些如果還不足的,我們再把它精進再強化。有,好,謝謝,謝謝部長。好,謝謝陳金輝委員的質詢。"}]}}}}