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Militia（海上民兵），他們可能數量高達五、六百艘有武裝的漁船。"],["王委員定宇：他們叫little blue men，小藍人船隊。"],["吳部長釗燮：對。"],["王委員定宇：我縮小一下我們的範圍，對於國家元首，其實我們任何政治人物跟國家元首當然是不同層級的，對於國家元首來登島，當然太平島是我們國家主權所在，我從來就不認為哪一任的元首去或不去是問題，而是如何去、什麼時候去、選擇對國家最有利的方式，這才是問題啦！"],["吳部長釗燮：對，沒有錯。"],["王委員定宇：對於目前南海的局勢，你知道美、日、菲這三個國家跟臺灣是安全息息相關的國家，一個在宮古海峽北邊的日本，一個在巴士海峽南邊的菲律賓，兩邊都有美國的駐軍，所以這三國跟臺灣的區域安全、地緣政治是有緊密關係，當目前整個南海的局勢會升溫、會緊張，唯一的因素就是中國，只有中國跟它的海警、相關的海軍、相關的軍事力量在南海的擴張，引起了不管是越南、菲律賓等南海國家，連澳洲都捲進去了，所以在這個緊張的局勢下，臺灣應該扮演的是去升溫的角色，還是應該跟民主陣營站在一起維穩，把它穩定下來的角色，你做一個外交首長你怎麼看這個事？"],["吳部長釗燮：作為外交部長，對於這個事件的看法，當然我們要被國際社會看作是一個維持和平穩定的重要角色，而不是在這邊製造更多紛擾的角色。有關於我們對太平島的行動，我想政府的相關機關一定會去思考在最佳的時間點之下去做一些比較好的事情或是做最好的事情，這個就必須要由國家整體利益來衡量。"],["王委員定宇：目前的timing適不適合？"],["吳部長釗燮：目前的timing是不合適，因為我們看到的南海地區真的是戰雲密布，除了我剛剛講的中國的海巡船跟菲律賓衝撞，以及它有海上民兵之外，另外中國每天都大約有20艘的軍艦在整個南海巡邏，甚至在我們太平島的周圍有三個原來小小的島礁，美濟礁、渚碧礁、永暑礁，中國都已經把它建立成一個非常龐大的軍事基地……"],["王委員定宇：把它變人造島，目前那個地方的空域的飛機有沒有被攔截的現象？"],["吳部長釗燮：有，經常性的，只要不是定期的航班，中國的空軍都會想辦法去攔截，而且有時候攔截的作為是相當的挑釁性或者是危險性。"],["王委員定宇：你有沒有聽國防部提過我們去運補的，因為有很多教授去太平島做研究嘛！我們的飛機有沒有曾經被騷擾過？"],["吳部長釗燮：這個部分我並沒有問國防部。"],["王委員定宇：OK，好，不是你的權責我就不為難你。所以基本上我認為元首到任何的地方當然有它特殊的意義跟特殊點，我們的主權當然要維護，維護的方法要選擇對臺灣最有利的，至於像我們委員會要去不去，我覺得要尊重召委的排案權，每個委員有自己個別考量，那一部分我就不多做著墨。","我下一個請教一個問題，最新的消息指出，歐洲議會的副議長歐特任，他本身也是歐洲議會交通委員會的副主委，他跟27位歐洲議會的國會議員跨黨派、跨國家聯合致函給ICAO（國際民航組織），他們針對什麼議題呢？他認為中國未經飛航情報區的協商，單方面地變動M503航道這件事情是影響飛行安全，是政治上的脅迫，也實質影響了飛航安全，所以27名歐洲議會議員直接致函ICAO，說國際民航組織就是要對國際民航安全負責任，你們應該要有所行動，外交部有沒有掌握這個訊息？"],["吳部長釗燮：有，當然有……"],["王委員定宇：那這是什麼情形？說明一下。"],["吳部長釗燮：事前這些歐洲議會的好朋友也事先讓我們知道，我們也跟他們說明其實中國這些做法都是在片面改變現狀，而且會造成區域的緊張情勢不斷地上升，這種做法對區域的和平穩定是一點幫助都沒有。"],["王委員定宇：我們本身有沒有致函？我們雖然不是ICAO的會員，有沒有致函過去？"],["吳部長釗燮：我們沒有，但是我們通過這些友盟的國家……"],["王委員定宇：其實國際民航組織有規定，這種航線的變動不是不行……"],["吳部長釗燮：要協商。"],["王委員定宇：做個文明的國家嘛！有需要大家拿出來討論，上海飛航情報區跟臺北飛航情報區，大家要談嘛！"],["吳部長釗燮：是。"],["王委員定宇：我跟陳上將也聊過，萬一遇到狀況要迫降的時候，到底我們是要不要收還是不收？這有很多細節要討論。所以回到飛航安全，國際民航組織的基本規範，然後國際聲援，讓在臺灣的另外一邊能夠學習做文明所規範的國家，所以這28位，含歐洲議會副議長的這個致函，我希望後續還有連鎖效應，我們也呼籲國際民航組織，唯一要負責的是對飛航安全負責，不是對政治負責。","接下來另外一個問題要請教部長，蕭美琴副總統當選人現在在捷克、在歐洲，這其實我也不能講說誰的情報錯誤，本來報導他在美國，突然間韋德齊自己po了X，在推特上面就po了文，滿驚喜的，臺灣外交處境困難，中國的圍堵力道很大，我們都能體會，所以彈性外交呈現我們柔性國力、呈現我們民主國家的價值，這是我們外交上很重要的工具，所以就蕭美琴訪歐，他還參加SINOPSIS，就是解析中國的論壇等等，他出訪的身分是用什麼身分？"],["吳部長釗燮：非常謝謝委員的詢問，他稍早之前在美國這一趟的行程單純就是他的私人行程，處理他個人的事情，即使是只有處理個人的事情，因為他的身分是副總統當選人，所以我們跟美方之間也有一些溝通，就是要當他們……"],["王委員定宇：以他現在的身分，外交部或者是國際上的朋友……"],["吳部長釗燮：他們認為他是副總統當選人，他還沒有就副總統……"],["王委員定宇：還沒就職的副總統當選人？"],["吳部長釗燮：對，沒有錯，現在還是private citizen的身分。"],["王委員定宇：但是對待他的方式是用一般private citizen……"],["吳部長釗燮：對待他的方式，你如果說從這個圖片看來，你就可以知道說對我們的副總統當選人有高度的禮遇。"],["王委員定宇：有禮遇啦！第二個、那他去的維安的部分怎麼處理？"],["吳部長釗燮：這個部分我大概沒有辦法做詳細的說明，但是蕭副總統當選人他是受到智庫的邀請……"],["王委員定宇：國安保護嘛！"],["吳部長釗燮：到歐洲去訪問，也順便跟一些歐洲的好朋友……"],["王委員定宇：我這樣問好了，他有沒有維安的保護？"],["吳部長釗燮：他當然是受我們國家安全法的保護。"],["王委員定宇：因為受我們國安單位維安基本的、標準的保護，這就是一個禮遇，這就是一個身分的象徵嘛！當然彈性外交我們有很多必須低調的地方，我接下來要問這個問題，你方便回答就回答，不方便回答我尊重國家利益，除了捷克還有別的國家嗎？"],["吳部長釗燮：我不方便回答。"],["王委員定宇：OK，好，我尊重。我希望每一個人，不管在公職位置或在民間，能夠幫臺灣的外交多擴展哪怕1公分的空間，大家都一起努力。"],["吳部長釗燮：這個是我們外交部全力在努力的方向。"],["王委員定宇：蕭副總統接下來是直接從歐洲就回臺灣了嘛？"],["吳部長釗燮：應該是如此。"],["王委員定宇：你可以不便回答，你也可以直接回答，所以他會從歐洲直接回臺灣？"],["吳部長釗燮：應該是如此。"],["王委員定宇：OK，好，不過安全上還是要注意，畢竟在歐洲還是有一些特殊狀況。","我接下來請教一個是我們的邦交國海地，海地目前的狀況連他們的行政首長總理都被……有的是總統沒辦法回國，總理進不了政府機構，然後監獄的犯人全部幾乎跑光了，當然我們不好去形容我們的邦交國現在叫無政府狀態，但是目前海地是否還是一個有效的政府治理狀態？就外交部的情報。"],["吳部長釗燮：目前它的確國內是很紛亂，但是在很紛亂的狀況之下，我們當地的外館人員也非常仔細地去觀察、瞭解當地的情勢，看會不會對我們有進一步的影響，目前的騷亂是聚集在飛機場和港口的周圍，因為我們大使館的範圍是比較……"],["王委員定宇：他為什麼會聚集在這兩個？這兩個看起來就是terminal，入出境的接點。"],["吳部長釗燮：也是人口聚集的地方，也是幫派活動的重點。"],["王委員定宇：那海地政府跟其他我們相關友邦的國家在那一邊，社會秩序有沒有辦法恢復？"],["吳部長釗燮：大家都共同在努力當中，譬如說美國也召集了CARICOM，就是加勒比海這些國家的組織，也希望能夠提供一些協助，然後協助他們把情勢給穩定下來，我們這邊會跟這些友盟國家聚集來合作。"],["王委員定宇：我請教最後一個問題，我們駐館的人員安全跟我們在那邊的僑民、臺商的安全……"],["吳部長釗燮：目前都還安全。"],["王委員定宇：有沒有撤僑的計畫跟撤僑決策的時間點？大概在什麼樣的狀況下，因為我們曾經派過軍機去援助它嘛！我們曾經兩架C-130載著物資過去，我的意思是說因為距離太遠，要撤僑要計畫，要提早預置兵力，可能很多點都要先處理好，目前外交部有沒有就駐館的撤館、僑胞的撤僑進行計畫演練跟準備？"],["吳部長釗燮：有，目前是在警戒的階段，警戒的階段就是說事情必須要讓我們提高警戒，也必須要去做好準備，該做撤的這些準備的計畫我們也都做計畫了。"],["王委員定宇：就你當部長現在掌握的情資狀況，海地的局勢是往可能撤館、撤僑的方向走，還是往下走、往和緩的方向走？"],["吳部長釗燮：目前是都停留在這個階段，就是我們必須要去密切關注的這個階段，可能還不到撤館的地步，其實我們所看到的像美國或者是歐盟德國等等的，其實他們只是撤掉所謂的nonessential，把不必要的人員先撤開……"],["王委員定宇：他們的眷屬都先回國了。"],["吳部長釗燮：對，大使館都還在持續運作當中。"],["王委員定宇：安全第一啦！"],["吳部長釗燮：是，沒有錯。"],["王委員定宇：因為他們國家目前是在混亂當中。謝謝部長，謝謝主席。"],["吳部長釗燮：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝。接下來請陳永康委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":314,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-35-7","speakers":["馬文君","羅美玲","王定宇","陳永康","林楚茵","徐巧芯","黃仁","沈伯洋","洪申翰","陳冠廷","賴士葆","牛煦庭","林憶君","李坤城","邱志偉","謝衣鳯","翁曉玲","王鴻薇"],"page_start":253,"meetingDate":["2024-03-20"],"gazette_id":"1131501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1131501_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長吳釗燮報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1131501_00004"}},"transcript":{"id":"150079","pyannote":{"name":"ronny","tool":"pyannote","data":{"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150079","tool":"pyannote","id":"150079-pyannote"},"job_id":"aulritoaAx1EBdQG","queued_at":"2024-06-02 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00:01:26,274\n那當然太平島是我們國家是我們國家的主權所有無庸置疑目前看起來也沒有人挑戰它是屬於我們中華民國的主權那所以既然是我們的國家的領土是我們的主權的擁有那怎麼去\n\n5\n00:01:27,435 --> 00:01:45,301\n什麼時候要去當然可以依照我們國家的利益跟我們國家需求來考量判斷你就最近太平島的議題其實我把它拉大來看太平島議題從來就不是只看太平島那個是南海議題在南海目前的局勢你身為我們國家外交首長你怎麼判斷\n\n6\n00:01:46,421 --> 00:02:11,232\n非常謝謝委員提出這個問題的確這個議題在最近這一兩天受到高度的討論我必須要說明就是說太平島就是我們的主權範圍這個是毫無疑問的無庸置疑絕對是我們的主權不管是用什麼樣的方式太平島都是屬於我們的主權範圍目前太平島的主權有被人挑戰嗎\n\n7\n00:02:12,132 --> 00:02:30,278\n目前是有那個越南菲律賓他們是有長期的聲索啦什麼那個我們講但是目前沒有沒有任何新的狀況太平島上面我們都還有海巡的駐軍在那邊這個是持續存在的一個事實所以沒有新的挑戰\n\n8\n00:02:31,238 --> 00:02:55,868\n那但是有關於整個南海的局勢就好像剛剛委員所說的除了我們大家在媒體上面所看到的中國跟菲律賓的海巡的這個衝撞之外那另外中國也有很多的所謂maritimemilitia就是海上民兵他們可能數量高達五六百艘的這種那個他們叫littleblueman小藍人船隊我把它縮小一下我們的範圍\n\n9\n00:02:57,228 --> 00:03:16,333\n對於國家元首,其實我們任何政治人物跟國家元首當然是不同層級的對於國家元首來登島,當然太平島是我們國家主權所在我從來就不認為哪一任的元首去或不去是問題是如何去,什麼時候去,選擇對國家最有利的方式,這才是問題\n\n10\n00:03:17,513 --> 00:03:42,856\n對於目前南海的局勢當美日非你知道這三個國家跟台灣是安全息息相關的國家一個在宮古海峽的北邊日本一個在巴士海峽南邊的菲律賓兩邊都有美國的駐軍所以這三國跟台灣的區域安全地緣政治是緊密關係所以當目前整個南海的局勢會升溫會緊張唯一的因素就是中國\n\n11\n00:03:43,937 --> 00:03:59,475\n只有中國跟他的海警海他的相關的海軍相關的軍事力量在南海的擴張引起了不管是這個越南菲律賓等南海國家連澳洲都捲進去了所以在這個緊張的局勢下\n\n12\n00:04:01,758 --> 00:04:25,403\n台灣應該扮演的是去升溫的角色還是應該跟民主陣營站在一起維穩把它穩定下來的角色你作為一個外交首長你怎麼看這個事作為外交部長對於這個事情的看法當然我們要被國際社會看作是一個維持和平穩定的一個重要的這個角色而不是在這邊製造更多紛擾的一個角色\n\n13\n00:04:26,323 --> 00:04:42,627\n那有關於我們對太平島的這個行動那我想政府的相關機關一定會去思考在最佳的時間點之下去做一些比較好的事情或是做最好的事情那這個就必須要由國家整體利益來衡量\n\n14\n00:04:43,047 --> 00:05:12,537\n目前的timing是不合適因為我們看到的南海地區真的是佔餘命補除了我剛剛講的那個中國的海巡船跟菲律賓衝撞以及他有海上民兵之外另外中國大概有每天都大約有20艘的這個軍艦在整個南海巡邏那甚至在我們太平島的周圍有三個原來小小的島礁美濟礁鼠壁礁永暑礁中國都已經把它建立成一個非常龐大的一個\n\n15\n00:05:13,758 --> 00:05:35,960\n目前那個地方的空域的飛機有沒有被攔截的現象?有,經常性的,只要不是定期的航班,中國的空軍都會想辦法去攔截,而且有時候攔截的這個作為是相當的挑釁性或者是危險性。你有沒有聽國防部提過我們去運補的,因為有很多教授去太平島做研究嘛,我們的飛機有沒有曾經被騷擾過?\n\n16\n00:05:37,161 --> 00:06:05,950\n這個部分我並沒有問國防部不是你選擇我就不為難你所以我基本上我認為元首到任何的地方當然有他特殊的意義跟特殊點我們的主權當然要維護維護的方法要選擇對台灣最有利的至於像我們委員會要去不去我覺得要尊重召委的排案權每個委員有自己個別考量那一部分我就不多做琢磨我現在請教一個問題最新的消息歐洲議會的副議長這一位歐特任\n\n17\n00:06:06,710 --> 00:06:22,004\n以及他本身也是歐洲議會交通委員會的副主委那他跟27位歐洲議會的國會議員、跨黨派、跨國家聯合致函給IKEA國際民航組織他們針對什麼議題呢?他認為中國未經飛航情報區的協商\n\n18\n00:06:28,228 --> 00:06:42,026\n單方面的變動這個503航道這件事情是影響飛行安全是政治上的脅迫而也實質影響了飛航安全所以這27名歐洲議會議員直接致函Icare\n\n19\n00:06:43,407 --> 00:07:10,429\n說國際民航組織就是要對國際民航安全負責任的啊你們應該要有所行動外交部有沒有掌握這個訊息有當然有那這是什麼情形說明一下事前這些歐洲議會的好朋友也事先讓我們知道那我們也跟他們說明就是說中國其實這些做法都是在片面改變現狀而且會造成區域的緊張情勢不斷的上升那這種做法對區域的和平穩定是一點幫助都沒有\n\n20\n00:07:10,949 --> 00:07:31,918\n我們本身有沒有致函我們雖然不是IKO的會員我們沒有但是我們致函過去有盟的國家國際民航組織有規定你這種航線的變動不是不行要協商做個文明的國家嘛有需要大家拿出來討論上海飛航情報區跟台北飛航情報區大家要談嘛是否則這個我跟陳上將也聊過\n\n21\n00:07:33,052 --> 00:07:52,822\n你那萬一遇到狀況要破降的時候到底是我們要不要收還是不收這很多細節要討論所以回到飛航安全國際民航組織基本規範然後國際聲援讓在台灣的另外一邊能夠學習做文明守規範的國家所以這28位含這個歐洲議會副議長這個致函我覺得希望後續還有連鎖效應但我們也呼籲國際民航組織\n\n22\n00:07:59,085 --> 00:07:59,585\n李卓人議員\n\n23\n00:08:21,882 --> 00:08:47,860\n這個蠻驚喜的那臺灣外基要處境困難中國的圍堵力道很大我們都能體會所以彈性外交呈現我們柔性國力呈現我們民主國家的價值這是我們外交上很重要的工具所以就蕭美琴訪歐她還參加Synopsis就是解析中國的論壇等等她出訪的身份是用什麼身份\n\n24\n00:08:49,507 --> 00:09:17,048\n非常謝謝委員詢問他稍早之前在美國這一趟的行程那單純就是他的私人的行程那處理他個人的事情那即使是只有處理個人的事情因為他的身份是副總統當選人所以我們跟美方之間也有一些溝通就是他現在的身份外交部或者是國際上的朋友\n\n25\n00:09:18,749 --> 00:09:40,730\n他們認為他是總統當選人他還沒有就職的副總統當選人沒有錯現在還是privatecitizen的身份但是對待他的方式是用一般的privatecitizen對待他的方式你如果說從這個圖片看來你就可以知道說對我們的副總統當選人有高度的這種禮遇有禮遇啦第二個那他去維安的部分怎麼處理\n\n26\n00:09:42,031 --> 00:09:59,158\n這個部分我大概沒有辦法做詳細的說明但是蕭副總統當選人他是受到智庫的邀請到歐洲去訪問那也順便跟一些歐洲的朋友他有沒有維安的保護\n\n27\n00:10:00,258 --> 00:10:10,265\n他當然是受我們那個國家安全的這個保護因為受我們國安單位的維安的基本的標準的保護這就是一個禮遇這就是一個身份的象徵\n\n28\n00:10:15,737 --> 00:10:40,863\n當然堂西外交我們有很多必須低調的地方我今天要問這個問題你方便回答就回答不方便回答我尊重國家利益那除了捷克還有別的國家嗎我不方便回答OK好我尊重我希望每一個人不管在公職位置或在民間能夠幫台灣的外交多擴展哪怕一公分的空間大家都一起努力這個是我們外交部全力在努力的方向那\n\n29\n00:10:42,632 --> 00:11:06,655\n蕭副總統接下來是直接要從歐洲就回台灣了嗎應該是如此你也可以直接回答所以他從歐洲會直接回台灣應該是如此OK好不過安全上還是要注意畢竟在歐洲還是有一些特殊狀況我接下來請教一個是我們的邦交國海地海地目前的狀況連他們的行政首長總理都被\n\n30\n00:11:08,069 --> 00:11:08,489\n目前的確國內是很紛亂\n\n31\n00:11:29,775 --> 00:11:50,960\n那但是在很紛亂的狀況之下我們當地的那個外館的人員也非常仔細的去觀察瞭解當地的這個情勢看會不會對我們有進一步的影響那目前的騷亂是聚集在飛機場和港口的這個周圍那因為我們大使館的這個範圍他為什麼聚集在這兩個這兩個看起來就是Terminal\n\n32\n00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,901\n海地政府跟其他我們相關友邦的國家在那一邊這個社會秩序有沒有辦法恢復?\n\n33\n00:12:10,970 --> 00:12:11,771\n我請教最後一個問題\n\n34\n00:12:25,185 --> 00:12:44,646\n我們駐館的人員安全跟我們在那邊僑民、台商的安全很重要目前都還安全那有沒有撤僑的計畫跟撤僑的那個決策的時間點大概在什麼樣的狀況下因為我們曾經派過軍機去援助他嘛我們曾經兩架C13棟載著物資過去我的意思說因為距離太遠\n\n35\n00:12:45,367 --> 00:12:45,768\n目前是在警戒的階段\n\n36\n00:13:01,764 --> 00:13:21,321\n那警戒的階段就是說事情必須要讓我們提高警戒那也必須要去做好準備那該做撤的這些準備的這些計畫我們也都做計畫了就你當部長現在掌握的情勢狀況海地的局勢是往可能撤館撤橋的方向走還是往下走\n\n37\n00:13:22,802 --> 00:13:50,480\n目前是都停留在這個階段就是我們必須要去密切關注的這個階段那可能還不到撤館的這個地步其實我們所看到的像美國或者是歐盟等等的德國等等的其實他們是撤掉所謂的non-essential那把不必要的人員先撤開他們眷屬他們先回國了對大使館都還在持續運作當中安全第一因為那國家目前是在混亂當中好謝謝部長謝謝主席\n\n38\n00:13:51,702 --> 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man小藍人船隊我把它縮小一下我們的範圍\n177228\t196333\t對於國家元首,其實我們任何政治人物跟國家元首當然是不同層級的對於國家元首來登島,當然太平島是我們國家主權所在我從來就不認為哪一任的元首去或不去是問題是如何去,什麼時候去,選擇對國家最有利的方式,這才是問題\n197513\t222856\t對於目前南海的局勢當美日非你知道這三個國家跟台灣是安全息息相關的國家一個在宮古海峽的北邊日本一個在巴士海峽南邊的菲律賓兩邊都有美國的駐軍所以這三國跟台灣的區域安全地緣政治是緊密關係所以當目前整個南海的局勢會升溫會緊張唯一的因素就是中國\n223937\t239475\t只有中國跟他的海警海他的相關的海軍相關的軍事力量在南海的擴張引起了不管是這個越南菲律賓等南海國家連澳洲都捲進去了所以在這個緊張的局勢下\n241758\t265403\t台灣應該扮演的是去升溫的角色還是應該跟民主陣營站在一起維穩把它穩定下來的角色你作為一個外交首長你怎麼看這個事作為外交部長對於這個事情的看法當然我們要被國際社會看作是一個維持和平穩定的一個重要的這個角色而不是在這邊製造更多紛擾的一個角色\n266323\t282627\t那有關於我們對太平島的這個行動那我想政府的相關機關一定會去思考在最佳的時間點之下去做一些比較好的事情或是做最好的事情那這個就必須要由國家整體利益來衡量\n283047\t312537\t目前的timing是不合適因為我們看到的南海地區真的是佔餘命補除了我剛剛講的那個中國的海巡船跟菲律賓衝撞以及他有海上民兵之外另外中國大概有每天都大約有20艘的這個軍艦在整個南海巡邏那甚至在我們太平島的周圍有三個原來小小的島礁美濟礁鼠壁礁永暑礁中國都已經把它建立成一個非常龐大的一個\n313758\t335960\t目前那個地方的空域的飛機有沒有被攔截的現象?有,經常性的,只要不是定期的航班,中國的空軍都會想辦法去攔截,而且有時候攔截的這個作為是相當的挑釁性或者是危險性。你有沒有聽國防部提過我們去運補的,因為有很多教授去太平島做研究嘛,我們的飛機有沒有曾經被騷擾過?\n337161\t365950\t這個部分我並沒有問國防部不是你選擇我就不為難你所以我基本上我認為元首到任何的地方當然有他特殊的意義跟特殊點我們的主權當然要維護維護的方法要選擇對台灣最有利的至於像我們委員會要去不去我覺得要尊重召委的排案權每個委員有自己個別考量那一部分我就不多做琢磨我現在請教一個問題最新的消息歐洲議會的副議長這一位歐特任\n366710\t382004\t以及他本身也是歐洲議會交通委員會的副主委那他跟27位歐洲議會的國會議員、跨黨派、跨國家聯合致函給IKEA國際民航組織他們針對什麼議題呢?他認為中國未經飛航情報區的協商\n388228\t402026\t單方面的變動這個503航道這件事情是影響飛行安全是政治上的脅迫而也實質影響了飛航安全所以這27名歐洲議會議員直接致函I care\n403407\t430429\t說國際民航組織就是要對國際民航安全負責任的啊你們應該要有所行動外交部有沒有掌握這個訊息有當然有那這是什麼情形 說明一下事前這些歐洲議會的好朋友也事先讓我們知道那我們也跟他們說明就是說中國其實這些做法都是在片面改變現狀而且會造成區域的緊張情勢不斷的上升那這種做法對區域的和平穩定是一點幫助都沒有\n430949\t451918\t我們本身有沒有致函我們雖然不是IKO的會員我們沒有但是我們致函過去有盟的國家國際民航組織有規定你這種航線的變動不是不行要協商做個文明的國家嘛有需要大家拿出來討論上海飛航情報區跟台北飛航情報區大家要談嘛是否則這個我跟陳上將也聊過\n453052\t472822\t你那萬一遇到狀況要破降的時候到底是我們要不要收還是不收這很多細節要討論所以回到飛航安全國際民航組織基本規範然後國際聲援讓在台灣的另外一邊能夠學習做文明守規範的國家所以這28位含這個歐洲議會副議長這個致函我覺得希望後續還有連鎖效應但我們也呼籲國際民航組織\n479085\t479585\t李卓人議員\n501882\t527860\t這個蠻驚喜的那臺灣外基要處境困難中國的圍堵力道很大我們都能體會所以彈性外交呈現我們柔性國力呈現我們民主國家的價值這是我們外交上很重要的工具所以就蕭美琴訪歐她還參加Synopsis就是解析中國的論壇等等她出訪的身份是用什麼身份\n529507\t557048\t非常謝謝委員詢問他稍早之前在美國這一趟的行程那單純就是他的私人的行程那處理他個人的事情那即使是只有處理個人的事情因為他的身份是副總統當選人所以我們跟美方之間也有一些溝通就是他現在的身份外交部或者是國際上的朋友\n558749\t580730\t他們認為他是總統當選人他還沒有就職的副總統當選人沒有錯現在還是private citizen的身份但是對待他的方式是用一般的private citizen對待他的方式你如果說從這個圖片看來你就可以知道說對我們的副總統當選人有高度的這種禮遇有禮遇啦第二個那他去維安的部分怎麼處理\n582031\t599158\t這個部分我大概沒有辦法做詳細的說明但是蕭副總統當選人他是受到智庫的邀請到歐洲去訪問那也順便跟一些歐洲的朋友他有沒有維安的保護\n600258\t610265\t他當然是受我們那個國家安全的這個保護因為受我們國安單位的維安的基本的標準的保護這就是一個禮遇這就是一個身份的象徵\n615737\t640863\t當然堂西外交我們有很多必須低調的地方我今天要問這個問題你方便回答就回答不方便回答我尊重國家利益那除了捷克還有別的國家嗎我不方便回答OK好我尊重我希望每一個人不管在公職位置或在民間能夠幫台灣的外交多擴展哪怕一公分的空間大家都一起努力這個是我們外交部全力在努力的方向那\n642632\t666655\t蕭副總統接下來是直接要從歐洲就回台灣了嗎應該是如此你也可以直接回答所以他從歐洲會直接回台灣應該是如此OK好不過安全上還是要注意畢竟在歐洲還是有一些特殊狀況我接下來請教一個是我們的邦交國海地海地目前的狀況連他們的行政首長總理都被\n668069\t668489\t目前的確國內是很紛亂\n689775\t710960\t那但是在很紛亂的狀況之下我們當地的那個外館的人員也非常仔細的去觀察瞭解當地的這個情勢看會不會對我們有進一步的影響那目前的騷亂是聚集在飛機場和港口的這個周圍那因為我們大使館的這個範圍他為什麼聚集在這兩個這兩個看起來就是Terminal\n713080\t714901\t海地政府跟其他我們相關友邦的國家在那一邊這個社會秩序有沒有辦法恢復?\n730970\t731771\t我請教最後一個問題\n745185\t764646\t我們駐館的人員安全跟我們在那邊僑民、台商的安全很重要目前都還安全那有沒有撤僑的計畫跟撤僑的那個決策的時間點大概在什麼樣的狀況下因為我們曾經派過軍機去援助他嘛我們曾經兩架C13棟載著物資過去我的意思說因為距離太遠\n765367\t765768\t目前是在警戒的階段\n781764\t801321\t那警戒的階段就是說事情必須要讓我們提高警戒那也必須要去做好準備那該做撤的這些準備的這些計畫我們也都做計畫了就你當部長現在掌握的情勢狀況海地的局勢是往可能撤館撤橋的方向走還是往下走\n802802\t830480\t目前是都停留在這個階段就是我們必須要去密切關注的這個階段那可能還不到撤館的這個地步其實我們所看到的像美國或者是歐盟等等的德國等等的其實他們是撤掉所謂的non-essential那把不必要的人員先撤開他們眷屬他們先回國了對大使館都還在持續運作當中安全第一因為那國家目前是在混亂當中好謝謝部長謝謝主席\n831702\t831765\t李卓人議員\n","txt":"謝謝主席,麻煩外交部長。請,部長。今天有幾個問題要請教。第一個,美國在剛剛最新的消息,它宣布是在4月份,要在美國召開美國、菲律賓、日本三國的元首高峰會議。\n那這一個應該是拜登政府第一次把這三個國家元首集合在一起那討論的主題大概就是中國在南海的擴張以及軍事灰色地帶挑釁導致區域的不安我看布林肯最近是在菲律賓南海這邊拜訪他們特別提到\n這一個看起來是一個升高溫度的一個狀態\n那當然太平島是我們國家是我們國家的主權所有無庸置疑目前看起來也沒有人挑戰它是屬於我們中華民國的主權那所以既然是我們的國家的領土是我們的主權的擁有那怎麼去\n什麼時候要去當然可以依照我們國家的利益跟我們國家需求來考量判斷你就最近太平島的議題其實我把它拉大來看太平島議題從來就不是只看太平島那個是南海議題在南海目前的局勢你身為我們國家外交首長你怎麼判斷\n非常謝謝委員提出這個問題的確這個議題在最近這一兩天受到高度的討論我必須要說明就是說太平島就是我們的主權範圍這個是毫無疑問的無庸置疑絕對是我們的主權不管是用什麼樣的方式太平島都是屬於我們的主權範圍目前太平島的主權有被人挑戰嗎\n目前是有那個越南菲律賓他們是有長期的聲索啦什麼那個我們講但是目前沒有沒有任何新的狀況太平島上面我們都還有海巡的駐軍在那邊這個是持續存在的一個事實所以沒有新的挑戰\n那但是有關於整個南海的局勢就好像剛剛委員所說的除了我們大家在媒體上面所看到的中國跟菲律賓的海巡的這個衝撞之外那另外中國也有很多的所謂 maritime militia就是海上民兵他們可能數量高達五六百艘的這種那個他們叫little blue man小藍人船隊我把它縮小一下我們的範圍\n對於國家元首,其實我們任何政治人物跟國家元首當然是不同層級的對於國家元首來登島,當然太平島是我們國家主權所在我從來就不認為哪一任的元首去或不去是問題是如何去,什麼時候去,選擇對國家最有利的方式,這才是問題\n對於目前南海的局勢當美日非你知道這三個國家跟台灣是安全息息相關的國家一個在宮古海峽的北邊日本一個在巴士海峽南邊的菲律賓兩邊都有美國的駐軍所以這三國跟台灣的區域安全地緣政治是緊密關係所以當目前整個南海的局勢會升溫會緊張唯一的因素就是中國\n只有中國跟他的海警海他的相關的海軍相關的軍事力量在南海的擴張引起了不管是這個越南菲律賓等南海國家連澳洲都捲進去了所以在這個緊張的局勢下\n台灣應該扮演的是去升溫的角色還是應該跟民主陣營站在一起維穩把它穩定下來的角色你作為一個外交首長你怎麼看這個事作為外交部長對於這個事情的看法當然我們要被國際社會看作是一個維持和平穩定的一個重要的這個角色而不是在這邊製造更多紛擾的一個角色\n那有關於我們對太平島的這個行動那我想政府的相關機關一定會去思考在最佳的時間點之下去做一些比較好的事情或是做最好的事情那這個就必須要由國家整體利益來衡量\n目前的timing是不合適因為我們看到的南海地區真的是佔餘命補除了我剛剛講的那個中國的海巡船跟菲律賓衝撞以及他有海上民兵之外另外中國大概有每天都大約有20艘的這個軍艦在整個南海巡邏那甚至在我們太平島的周圍有三個原來小小的島礁美濟礁鼠壁礁永暑礁中國都已經把它建立成一個非常龐大的一個\n目前那個地方的空域的飛機有沒有被攔截的現象?有,經常性的,只要不是定期的航班,中國的空軍都會想辦法去攔截,而且有時候攔截的這個作為是相當的挑釁性或者是危險性。你有沒有聽國防部提過我們去運補的,因為有很多教授去太平島做研究嘛,我們的飛機有沒有曾經被騷擾過?\n這個部分我並沒有問國防部不是你選擇我就不為難你所以我基本上我認為元首到任何的地方當然有他特殊的意義跟特殊點我們的主權當然要維護維護的方法要選擇對台灣最有利的至於像我們委員會要去不去我覺得要尊重召委的排案權每個委員有自己個別考量那一部分我就不多做琢磨我現在請教一個問題最新的消息歐洲議會的副議長這一位歐特任\n以及他本身也是歐洲議會交通委員會的副主委那他跟27位歐洲議會的國會議員、跨黨派、跨國家聯合致函給IKEA國際民航組織他們針對什麼議題呢?他認為中國未經飛航情報區的協商\n單方面的變動這個503航道這件事情是影響飛行安全是政治上的脅迫而也實質影響了飛航安全所以這27名歐洲議會議員直接致函I care\n說國際民航組織就是要對國際民航安全負責任的啊你們應該要有所行動外交部有沒有掌握這個訊息有當然有那這是什麼情形 說明一下事前這些歐洲議會的好朋友也事先讓我們知道那我們也跟他們說明就是說中國其實這些做法都是在片面改變現狀而且會造成區域的緊張情勢不斷的上升那這種做法對區域的和平穩定是一點幫助都沒有\n我們本身有沒有致函我們雖然不是IKO的會員我們沒有但是我們致函過去有盟的國家國際民航組織有規定你這種航線的變動不是不行要協商做個文明的國家嘛有需要大家拿出來討論上海飛航情報區跟台北飛航情報區大家要談嘛是否則這個我跟陳上將也聊過\n你那萬一遇到狀況要破降的時候到底是我們要不要收還是不收這很多細節要討論所以回到飛航安全國際民航組織基本規範然後國際聲援讓在台灣的另外一邊能夠學習做文明守規範的國家所以這28位含這個歐洲議會副議長這個致函我覺得希望後續還有連鎖效應但我們也呼籲國際民航組織\n李卓人議員\n這個蠻驚喜的那臺灣外基要處境困難中國的圍堵力道很大我們都能體會所以彈性外交呈現我們柔性國力呈現我們民主國家的價值這是我們外交上很重要的工具所以就蕭美琴訪歐她還參加Synopsis就是解析中國的論壇等等她出訪的身份是用什麼身份\n非常謝謝委員詢問他稍早之前在美國這一趟的行程那單純就是他的私人的行程那處理他個人的事情那即使是只有處理個人的事情因為他的身份是副總統當選人所以我們跟美方之間也有一些溝通就是他現在的身份外交部或者是國際上的朋友\n他們認為他是總統當選人他還沒有就職的副總統當選人沒有錯現在還是private citizen的身份但是對待他的方式是用一般的private citizen對待他的方式你如果說從這個圖片看來你就可以知道說對我們的副總統當選人有高度的這種禮遇有禮遇啦第二個那他去維安的部分怎麼處理\n這個部分我大概沒有辦法做詳細的說明但是蕭副總統當選人他是受到智庫的邀請到歐洲去訪問那也順便跟一些歐洲的朋友他有沒有維安的保護\n他當然是受我們那個國家安全的這個保護因為受我們國安單位的維安的基本的標準的保護這就是一個禮遇這就是一個身份的象徵\n當然堂西外交我們有很多必須低調的地方我今天要問這個問題你方便回答就回答不方便回答我尊重國家利益那除了捷克還有別的國家嗎我不方便回答OK好我尊重我希望每一個人不管在公職位置或在民間能夠幫台灣的外交多擴展哪怕一公分的空間大家都一起努力這個是我們外交部全力在努力的方向那\n蕭副總統接下來是直接要從歐洲就回台灣了嗎應該是如此你也可以直接回答所以他從歐洲會直接回台灣應該是如此OK好不過安全上還是要注意畢竟在歐洲還是有一些特殊狀況我接下來請教一個是我們的邦交國海地海地目前的狀況連他們的行政首長總理都被\n目前的確國內是很紛亂\n那但是在很紛亂的狀況之下我們當地的那個外館的人員也非常仔細的去觀察瞭解當地的這個情勢看會不會對我們有進一步的影響那目前的騷亂是聚集在飛機場和港口的這個周圍那因為我們大使館的這個範圍他為什麼聚集在這兩個這兩個看起來就是Terminal\n海地政府跟其他我們相關友邦的國家在那一邊這個社會秩序有沒有辦法恢復?\n我請教最後一個問題\n我們駐館的人員安全跟我們在那邊僑民、台商的安全很重要目前都還安全那有沒有撤僑的計畫跟撤僑的那個決策的時間點大概在什麼樣的狀況下因為我們曾經派過軍機去援助他嘛我們曾經兩架C13棟載著物資過去我的意思說因為距離太遠\n目前是在警戒的階段\n那警戒的階段就是說事情必須要讓我們提高警戒那也必須要去做好準備那該做撤的這些準備的這些計畫我們也都做計畫了就你當部長現在掌握的情勢狀況海地的局勢是往可能撤館撤橋的方向走還是往下走\n目前是都停留在這個階段就是我們必須要去密切關注的這個階段那可能還不到撤館的這個地步其實我們所看到的像美國或者是歐盟等等的德國等等的其實他們是撤掉所謂的non-essential那把不必要的人員先撤開他們眷屬他們先回國了對大使館都還在持續運作當中安全第一因為那國家目前是在混亂當中好謝謝部長謝謝主席\n李卓人議員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.969 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03:16.333\n對於國家元首,其實我們任何政治人物跟國家元首當然是不同層級的對於國家元首來登島,當然太平島是我們國家主權所在我從來就不認為哪一任的元首去或不去是問題是如何去,什麼時候去,選擇對國家最有利的方式,這才是問題\n\n03:17.513 --> 03:42.856\n對於目前南海的局勢當美日非你知道這三個國家跟台灣是安全息息相關的國家一個在宮古海峽的北邊日本一個在巴士海峽南邊的菲律賓兩邊都有美國的駐軍所以這三國跟台灣的區域安全地緣政治是緊密關係所以當目前整個南海的局勢會升溫會緊張唯一的因素就是中國\n\n03:43.937 --> 03:59.475\n只有中國跟他的海警海他的相關的海軍相關的軍事力量在南海的擴張引起了不管是這個越南菲律賓等南海國家連澳洲都捲進去了所以在這個緊張的局勢下\n\n04:01.758 --> 04:25.403\n台灣應該扮演的是去升溫的角色還是應該跟民主陣營站在一起維穩把它穩定下來的角色你作為一個外交首長你怎麼看這個事作為外交部長對於這個事情的看法當然我們要被國際社會看作是一個維持和平穩定的一個重要的這個角色而不是在這邊製造更多紛擾的一個角色\n\n04:26.323 --> 04:42.627\n那有關於我們對太平島的這個行動那我想政府的相關機關一定會去思考在最佳的時間點之下去做一些比較好的事情或是做最好的事情那這個就必須要由國家整體利益來衡量\n\n04:43.047 --> 05:12.537\n目前的timing是不合適因為我們看到的南海地區真的是佔餘命補除了我剛剛講的那個中國的海巡船跟菲律賓衝撞以及他有海上民兵之外另外中國大概有每天都大約有20艘的這個軍艦在整個南海巡邏那甚至在我們太平島的周圍有三個原來小小的島礁美濟礁鼠壁礁永暑礁中國都已經把它建立成一個非常龐大的一個\n\n05:13.758 --> 05:35.960\n目前那個地方的空域的飛機有沒有被攔截的現象?有,經常性的,只要不是定期的航班,中國的空軍都會想辦法去攔截,而且有時候攔截的這個作為是相當的挑釁性或者是危險性。你有沒有聽國防部提過我們去運補的,因為有很多教授去太平島做研究嘛,我們的飛機有沒有曾經被騷擾過?\n\n05:37.161 --> 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08:47.860\n這個蠻驚喜的那臺灣外基要處境困難中國的圍堵力道很大我們都能體會所以彈性外交呈現我們柔性國力呈現我們民主國家的價值這是我們外交上很重要的工具所以就蕭美琴訪歐她還參加Synopsis就是解析中國的論壇等等她出訪的身份是用什麼身份\n\n08:49.507 --> 09:17.048\n非常謝謝委員詢問他稍早之前在美國這一趟的行程那單純就是他的私人的行程那處理他個人的事情那即使是只有處理個人的事情因為他的身份是副總統當選人所以我們跟美方之間也有一些溝通就是他現在的身份外交部或者是國際上的朋友\n\n09:18.749 --> 09:40.730\n他們認為他是總統當選人他還沒有就職的副總統當選人沒有錯現在還是privatecitizen的身份但是對待他的方式是用一般的privatecitizen對待他的方式你如果說從這個圖片看來你就可以知道說對我們的副總統當選人有高度的這種禮遇有禮遇啦第二個那他去維安的部分怎麼處理\n\n09:42.031 --> 09:59.158\n這個部分我大概沒有辦法做詳細的說明但是蕭副總統當選人他是受到智庫的邀請到歐洲去訪問那也順便跟一些歐洲的朋友他有沒有維安的保護\n\n10:00.258 --> 10:10.265\n他當然是受我們那個國家安全的這個保護因為受我們國安單位的維安的基本的標準的保護這就是一個禮遇這就是一個身份的象徵\n\n10:15.737 --> 10:40.863\n當然堂西外交我們有很多必須低調的地方我今天要問這個問題你方便回答就回答不方便回答我尊重國家利益那除了捷克還有別的國家嗎我不方便回答OK好我尊重我希望每一個人不管在公職位置或在民間能夠幫台灣的外交多擴展哪怕一公分的空間大家都一起努力這個是我們外交部全力在努力的方向那\n\n10:42.632 --> 11:06.655\n蕭副總統接下來是直接要從歐洲就回台灣了嗎應該是如此你也可以直接回答所以他從歐洲會直接回台灣應該是如此OK好不過安全上還是要注意畢竟在歐洲還是有一些特殊狀況我接下來請教一個是我們的邦交國海地海地目前的狀況連他們的行政首長總理都被\n\n11:08.069 --> 11:08.489\n目前的確國內是很紛亂\n\n11:29.775 --> 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citizen對待他的方式你如果說從這個圖片看來你就可以知道說對我們的副總統當選人有高度的這種禮遇有禮遇啦第二個那他去維安的部分怎麼處理"},{"start":582.031,"end":599.158,"text":"這個部分我大概沒有辦法做詳細的說明但是蕭副總統當選人他是受到智庫的邀請到歐洲去訪問那也順便跟一些歐洲的朋友他有沒有維安的保護"},{"start":600.258,"end":610.265,"text":"他當然是受我們那個國家安全的這個保護因為受我們國安單位的維安的基本的標準的保護這就是一個禮遇這就是一個身份的象徵"},{"start":615.737,"end":640.863,"text":"當然堂西外交我們有很多必須低調的地方我今天要問這個問題你方便回答就回答不方便回答我尊重國家利益那除了捷克還有別的國家嗎我不方便回答OK好我尊重我希望每一個人不管在公職位置或在民間能夠幫台灣的外交多擴展哪怕一公分的空間大家都一起努力這個是我們外交部全力在努力的方向那"},{"start":642.632,"end":666.655,"text":"蕭副總統接下來是直接要從歐洲就回台灣了嗎應該是如此你也可以直接回答所以他從歐洲會直接回台灣應該是如此OK好不過安全上還是要注意畢竟在歐洲還是有一些特殊狀況我接下來請教一個是我們的邦交國海地海地目前的狀況連他們的行政首長總理都被"},{"start":668.069,"end":668.489,"text":"目前的確國內是很紛亂"},{"start":689.775,"end":710.96,"text":"那但是在很紛亂的狀況之下我們當地的那個外館的人員也非常仔細的去觀察瞭解當地的這個情勢看會不會對我們有進一步的影響那目前的騷亂是聚集在飛機場和港口的這個周圍那因為我們大使館的這個範圍他為什麼聚集在這兩個這兩個看起來就是Terminal"},{"start":713.08,"end":714.901,"text":"海地政府跟其他我們相關友邦的國家在那一邊這個社會秩序有沒有辦法恢復?"},{"start":730.97,"end":731.771,"text":"我請教最後一個問題"},{"start":745.185,"end":764.646,"text":"我們駐館的人員安全跟我們在那邊僑民、台商的安全很重要目前都還安全那有沒有撤僑的計畫跟撤僑的那個決策的時間點大概在什麼樣的狀況下因為我們曾經派過軍機去援助他嘛我們曾經兩架C13棟載著物資過去我的意思說因為距離太遠"},{"start":765.367,"end":765.768,"text":"目前是在警戒的階段"},{"start":781.764,"end":801.321,"text":"那警戒的階段就是說事情必須要讓我們提高警戒那也必須要去做好準備那該做撤的這些準備的這些計畫我們也都做計畫了就你當部長現在掌握的情勢狀況海地的局勢是往可能撤館撤橋的方向走還是往下走"},{"start":802.802,"end":830.48,"text":"目前是都停留在這個階段就是我們必須要去密切關注的這個階段那可能還不到撤館的這個地步其實我們所看到的像美國或者是歐盟等等的德國等等的其實他們是撤掉所謂的non-essential那把不必要的人員先撤開他們眷屬他們先回國了對大使館都還在持續運作當中安全第一因為那國家目前是在混亂當中好謝謝部長謝謝主席"},{"start":831.702,"end":831.765,"text":"李卓人議員"}]}}}}