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00:01:54,393\n都認為需要進速地在政府部門以及民間推動電子簽章的應用。質詢的時候部長也承諾會針對26個排除電子簽章適用的部會會積極溝通。質詢後也有數位部人士透過媒體表示有不少員工告排除適用的部會以表達轉支持的立場。適用電子簽章法的共識高所以在法案正式開始逐條審查前\n\n6\n00:01:54,933 --> 00:02:20,190\n我真的需要想要向部長確認這個共識到底有多高我們這張板子又出現了我們現在還會畫那個政治標記這是這個板子第三次出現我們想問一下表列的26個政府機關裡面目前還有多少部會排除電子簽章法的使用我會準備一支筆如果有排除我就把它劃掉我們法律院推行之前我們就希望可以都劃掉\n\n7\n00:02:21,896 --> 00:02:30,706\n因為我所知就是有一些他是在內部討論程序裡面還沒有用一個新的公告蓋還沒有新的公告所以那就等待下一次這個板子再出現\n\n8\n00:02:31,977 --> 00:02:52,300\n那對於這些仍然排除電子簽章適用的政府機關,數位部要如何協助他們加速採用電子簽章的進程?像是外交部的跨國程序啊、司法院我們上次提到的司法程序啊,請問數位部這邊會如何協助?好,謝謝委員。我們目前是透過跟包含內政部,也就是自然憑證、行動自然憑證的主管機關合作。\n\n9\n00:02:53,121 --> 00:03:08,631\n那去編列相關的預算透過不管是公共建設或其他的經費去確保說每個部會他的系統整合商不用從頭來建制。大概我們也會有委員針對這一點進行諮詢那我想接下來呢想要與部長談到電子簽章防詐的議題\n\n10\n00:03:09,731 --> 00:03:38,135\n剛剛部長有提到其實這些AI的影片如果沒有電子簽章我們都應該一律認為是假的近來看到部長談電子簽章法的時候一再強調可以透過驗證網路廣告刊登者的數位簽章達到源頭防詐的成效甚至強調防詐成效非常好只欠電子簽章三讀去年一整年台灣的詐騙案件是三萬八千件還不含黑數您認為假設電子簽章法年底公布實行我們一整年的詐騙案件數可以降低多少請部長能不能提出具體目標\n\n11\n00:03:38,635 --> 00:03:56,022\n好,謝謝委員的質詢。我要先強調,這個講的是本來的電商向傑出分期付款詐騙或遊戲點數詐騙。這種是需要電商往下游的個資的這個類型。那確實我們是表現相當好。可以降低多少?百分之多少?對,這部分以高風險賣場來講,在電商這邊透過我們導入銀馬技術等等,在高風險賣場最近5個月已經歸零了。\n\n12\n00:04:00,524 --> 00:04:20,082\n那委員現在所提到的是類似金融詐騙他不依賴於各自他完全是靠投放廣告所以投放廣告的部分我們也相信會有相當程度的下降好謝謝最後跟部長分享112年投資詐騙的比例快速攀升已經到達將近107年的3倍您被譽為天才IT大臣我們希望您了解\n\n13\n00:04:20,582 --> 00:04:41,488\n很多的詐騙也並不是只是在網路廣告上面實現。現在還有很多的通訊軟體會有很多的群組。他們會這個筐稱自己可能是某銀行或者某單位或者某交易所。這樣的一個機制可能會讓大家沒有辦法驗證他到底是不是這個銀行的員工是不是這個交易所的員工。\n\n14\n00:04:42,228 --> 00:05:10,351\n我們認為針對投資詐騙認為最簡單最有效的防範方式是不是可以讓民眾透過數位的工具直接驗證金融從業人員或投資專業者的專業身份或是查詢各種連結網站是否真的為銀行或者相關的金融機構官方發出或者擁有數位工具不是只有雲端點面線的功能我想其實這一切的出發都是利益良善的但是不是也應該更加的苦彌所苦將經費、將技術更多的運用於防詐\n\n15\n00:05:11,212 --> 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