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00:03:09,093\n平常在老師跟學生互動過程應該可以觀察到學生的情緒行為各方面的表現那如果有發現異常的狀況應該介入關懷並且進一步了解是不是有輔導的需求那如果他不想要用學校的輔導機制教育部有什麼其他替代的資源我們可以提供有關屬於那個就診的一些諮詢跟服務\n\n9\n00:03:12,496 --> 00:03:39,779\n這是我嘗試把各個你出來我覺得現在我看到目前所有的業務單位整個的流程還是停留在性平三法修正之前所以也請只要相關的部會都要按照這樣子來做執行那謝謝司長那司長請回那部長也留著那再來就是請我們的代副署長\n\n10\n00:03:48,442 --> 00:03:52,785\n但目前0-2歲的29萬人,托育中心跟保姆總數加起來5.7萬。看起來,現在110年資料還是看到托育的涵蓋率是38.5%,請問衛福部怎麼去增加量能,來完善我們雙薪家庭的\n\n11\n00:04:15,922 --> 00:04:24,431\n目前我們托育涵蓋率服務的涵蓋率是38.05可是我們目前的兩歲以下的加外送托率是23%點多\n\n12\n00:04:26,758 --> 00:04:55,821\n所以其實目前的量能還是服務的量能還是足夠因為我們涵蓋率是38.05現在送托率是23那當然我們少子女化對策我們接下來的目標是希望能夠趕上OECD國家是希望能夠到35%對35所以在這個部分我們當然希望整個托育服務的涵蓋率還是要在如果要到35當然我們還要再提供比現在更高\n\n13\n00:04:56,229 --> 00:05:24,128\n所以我們會再來持續針對不管是保姆跟托嬰中心都能夠來積極的來組建我覺得也要看均等因為我覺得成相差異如果你提供的私商是沒有辦法當然你會覺得這23%要送多少那我涵蓋率有38.5我覺得還是要去思考我們會來注意成相差距的問題這幾天一直在沸沸揚揚的就是我們很關心每一個孩子到了保姆家、到了托嬰中心、到了幼兒園到底安不安全\n\n14\n00:05:25,209 --> 00:05:47,678\n那就要問目前托育中心的稽查又是提前預告沒有無預警抽查只要沒預警的方式的話那到底抽到的是真實現象嗎因為這是我從民間拿到的他們共同的一些問題點那再來就是居托人員如果違規\n\n15\n00:05:49,076 --> 00:06:18,525\n各地方的處置不太一樣怎麼處置不太一樣有的縣市開勸導單就明明是已經是違規你開勸導單而且有的縣市要求說你要輔導他三次都已經違反規定了你還輔導他三次難怪居托人員出了事情的時候中央你就會措手不及可是地方這樣子做的時候你們了不了解地方的做法是什麼地方有各自的做法那管得嚴的縣市呢那可能居托人員\n\n16\n00:06:19,195 --> 00:06:19,215\n及職場職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員\n\n17\n00:06:36,909 --> 00:06:40,193\n及職場性別平等及性平三法上路如何落實職場性別平等及性平三法上路如何落實職場育兒環境及職業道德之培訓策進\n\n18\n00:06:57,291 --> 00:07:26,168\n是不是有落實退場機制還有防止我們黑心業者重啟爐灶在這邊定的是托育中心、托育家園在兩年內你若違反我們的兒少權法的規定的時候採取就不能夠也跟上講去年呢臺北市發生了一個案子也就是員長負責人呢對那個收託的孩子呢\n\n19\n00:07:27,725 --> 00:07:55,568\n強制猥褻。」那可是他有托育中心欸那為什麼他7月份已經事實上7月11已經被羈押可是他托育中心照樣同樣一個負責人持續的在在經營如果按照這樣違反兒少權法你不是應該就要去停止請他退准工嗎可是那也要問我們的副署長就是這個法規明定的不這麼清楚的時候那我不知道就是兩邊不勾結\n\n20\n00:07:57,069 --> 00:08:24,264\n然後呢我有托幼兒園我又有托育中心然後我照樣一樣那如果是都是他經營的話那怎麼會是他還是可以持續經營等到媒體揭發之後才說那要讓他那大家趕快換負責人這就是我們又是借師還魂的一種做法所以我不知道衛福部跟我們的教育部怎麼去處理這樣兩邊資料到底勾不勾結\n\n21\n00:08:25,624 --> 00:08:38,151\n其實是有勾結的我們是有定期的那個網路市長到底怎麼定期否則的話他已經是被羈押的狀態之後他的托育中心照樣就幼兒園即時的間接了\n\n22\n00:08:42,814 --> 00:09:05,098\n然後另外就是說其實我們衛福部都有訂相關的托嬰中心的相關的方式都是藥材無預警那如果現在有一些縣市還是有事先通知所以市長是不是可以把我時間有限把報告交出來就是說如果那樣子的話我覺得就是一直沒有辦法做到防堵\n\n23\n00:09:05,618 --> 00:09:16,621\n保姆如果這樣鬆,托嬰中心又這樣子的話,只要每一個孩子上面說我們再來檢討,坐在站這邊檢討是沒有意義的啦。所以也麻煩就是能夠鬆轉。連教育部跟我覺得衛福部的資料真的要勾結,謝謝。那再來就是勞動部這邊每年大概2%的企託,那絕大多數發津貼。\n\n24\n00:09:29,488 --> 00:09:33,831\n事務及職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進\n\n25\n00:09:54,707 --> 00:09:56,569\n提供提供提供提供\n\n26\n00:10:18,669 --> 00:10:29,853\n我們希望提高托育量能,也希望衛福部能完善准工退場機制,也希望勞動部提供人力物力補助,增加企業\n\n27\n00:10:32,216 --> 00:10:55,061\n然後在這邊要提醒部長上次已經跟你們要托育中心因為老師要好我們孩子才能好已經要求說你們要提供給我托育中心跟幼兒園的積查也就是勞動檢查可是到現在目前截至目前為止都還沒有送上麻煩勞動部這邊盡速送給我以上謝謝接下來我們請盧縣一委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t589\t有請我們的那個勞動部部長跟學特室的市長。好來請部長還有市長。\n38920\t48746\t新平三法通過,在8月16日,新平三法通過之後,這三部法的對象不太一樣。\n50246\t69125\t性平工作平等性平工作性工法裡邊事實上對職場還有我們的呃性平的教育法事實上是學校好那性騷事實上不特定對象好所以想問的是我不知道勞動部這邊到底對於好整個的好呃流程裡邊\n70984\t96898\t已經有讓所有的我們的職場工作者都了解了嗎?」這是一個。那一樣就是教育部也是。請部長這邊。是。各位報告,其實我們現在民眾遭遇到性騷擾的案子,他其實向任何一個機關來申訴,我們接到以後,機關內部他自己會去\n98999\t123944\t了解之後就直接pass給主責的機關去處理當然這個部分如果民眾知道要比如說校園當然是屬於學校那如果是職場當然是勞動部然後如果是其他就是內政部陣衛福部對不起衛福部但是如果說民眾搞不清楚沒有關係你只要提出申訴我們\n125724\t147242\t立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會\n155606\t159073\t學校障礙。我不知道教育部這邊有沒有一些因應的措施。\n163154\t189093\t平常在老師跟學生互動過程應該可以觀察到學生的情緒行為各方面的表現那如果有發現異常的狀況應該介入關懷並且進一步了解是不是有輔導的需求那如果他不想要用學校的輔導機制教育部有什麼其他替代的資源我們可以提供有關屬於那個就診的一些諮詢跟服務\n192496\t219779\t這是我嘗試把各個你出來我覺得現在我看到目前所有的業務單位整個的流程還是停留在性平三法修正之前所以也請只要相關的部會都要按照這樣子來做執行那謝謝司長那司長請回那部長也留著那再來就是請我們的代副署長\n228442\t232785\t但目前0-2歲的29萬人,托育中心跟保姆總數加起來5.7萬。看起來,現在110年資料還是看到托育的涵蓋率是38.5%,請問衛福部怎麼去增加量能,來完善我們雙薪家庭的\n255922\t264431\t目前我們托育涵蓋率服務的涵蓋率是38.05可是我們目前的兩歲以下的加外送托率是23%點多\n266758\t295821\t所以其實目前的量能還是服務的量能還是足夠因為我們涵蓋率是38.05現在送托率是23那當然我們少子女化對策我們接下來的目標是希望能夠趕上OECD國家是希望能夠到35%對35所以在這個部分我們當然希望整個托育服務的涵蓋率還是要在如果要到35當然我們還要再提供比現在更高\n296229\t324128\t所以我們會再來持續針對不管是保姆跟托嬰中心都能夠來積極的來組建我覺得也要看均等因為我覺得成相差異如果你提供的私商是沒有辦法當然你會覺得這23%要送多少那我涵蓋率有38.5我覺得還是要去思考我們會來注意成相差距的問題這幾天一直在沸沸揚揚的就是我們很關心每一個孩子到了保姆家、到了托嬰中心、到了幼兒園到底安不安全\n325209\t347678\t那就要問目前托育中心的稽查又是提前預告沒有無預警抽查只要沒預警的方式的話那到底抽到的是真實現象嗎因為這是我從民間拿到的他們共同的一些問題點那再來就是居托人員如果違規\n349076\t378525\t各地方的處置不太一樣怎麼處置不太一樣有的縣市開勸導單就明明是已經是違規你開勸導單而且有的縣市要求說你要輔導他三次都已經違反規定了你還輔導他三次難怪居托人員出了事情的時候中央你就會措手不及可是地方這樣子做的時候你們了不了解地方的做法是什麼地方有各自的做法那管得嚴的縣市呢那可能居托人員\n379195\t379215\t及職場職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員\n396909\t400193\t及職場性別平等及性平三法上路如何落實職場性別平等及性平三法上路如何落實職場育兒環境及職業道德之培訓策進\n417291\t446168\t是不是有落實退場機制還有防止我們黑心業者重啟爐灶在這邊定的是托育中心、托育家園在兩年內你若違反我們的兒少權法的規定的時候採取就不能夠也跟上講去年呢臺北市發生了一個案子也就是員長負責人呢對那個收託的孩子呢\n447725\t475568\t強制猥褻。」那可是他有托育中心欸那為什麼他7月份已經事實上7月11已經被羈押可是他托育中心照樣同樣一個負責人持續的在在經營如果按照這樣違反兒少權法你不是應該就要去停止請他退准工嗎可是那也要問我們的副署長就是這個法規明定的不這麼清楚的時候那我不知道就是兩邊不勾結\n477069\t504264\t然後呢我有托幼兒園我又有托育中心然後我照樣一樣那如果是都是他經營的話那怎麼會是他還是可以持續經營等到媒體揭發之後才說那要讓他那大家趕快換負責人這就是我們又是借師還魂的一種做法所以我不知道衛福部跟我們的教育部怎麼去處理這樣兩邊資料到底勾不勾結\n505624\t518151\t其實是有勾結的我們是有定期的那個網路市長到底怎麼定期否則的話他已經是被羈押的狀態之後他的托育中心照樣就幼兒園即時的間接了\n522814\t545098\t然後另外就是說其實我們衛福部都有訂相關的托嬰中心的相關的方式都是藥材無預警那如果現在有一些縣市還是有事先通知所以市長是不是可以把我時間有限把報告交出來就是說如果那樣子的話我覺得就是一直沒有辦法做到防堵\n545618\t556621\t保姆如果這樣鬆,托嬰中心又這樣子的話,只要每一個孩子上面說我們再來檢討,坐在站這邊檢討是沒有意義的啦。所以也麻煩就是能夠鬆轉。連教育部跟我覺得衛福部的資料真的要勾結,謝謝。那再來就是勞動部這邊每年大概2%的企託,那絕大多數發津貼。\n569488\t573831\t事務及職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進\n594707\t596569\t提供提供提供提供\n618669\t629853\t我們希望提高托育量能,也希望衛福部能完善准工退場機制,也希望勞動部提供人力物力補助,增加企業\n632216\t655061\t然後在這邊要提醒部長上次已經跟你們要托育中心因為老師要好我們孩子才能好已經要求說你們要提供給我托育中心跟幼兒園的積查也就是勞動檢查可是到現在目前截至目前為止都還沒有送上麻煩勞動部這邊盡速送給我以上謝謝接下來我們請盧縣一委員\n","txt":"有請我們的那個勞動部部長跟學特室的市長。好來請部長還有市長。\n新平三法通過,在8月16日,新平三法通過之後,這三部法的對象不太一樣。\n性平工作平等性平工作性工法裡邊事實上對職場還有我們的呃性平的教育法事實上是學校好那性騷事實上不特定對象好所以想問的是我不知道勞動部這邊到底對於好整個的好呃流程裡邊\n已經有讓所有的我們的職場工作者都了解了嗎?」這是一個。那一樣就是教育部也是。請部長這邊。是。各位報告,其實我們現在民眾遭遇到性騷擾的案子,他其實向任何一個機關來申訴,我們接到以後,機關內部他自己會去\n了解之後就直接pass給主責的機關去處理當然這個部分如果民眾知道要比如說校園當然是屬於學校那如果是職場當然是勞動部然後如果是其他就是內政部陣衛福部對不起衛福部但是如果說民眾搞不清楚沒有關係你只要提出申訴我們\n立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進 立法院第1會\n學校障礙。我不知道教育部這邊有沒有一些因應的措施。\n平常在老師跟學生互動過程應該可以觀察到學生的情緒行為各方面的表現那如果有發現異常的狀況應該介入關懷並且進一步了解是不是有輔導的需求那如果他不想要用學校的輔導機制教育部有什麼其他替代的資源我們可以提供有關屬於那個就診的一些諮詢跟服務\n這是我嘗試把各個你出來我覺得現在我看到目前所有的業務單位整個的流程還是停留在性平三法修正之前所以也請只要相關的部會都要按照這樣子來做執行那謝謝司長那司長請回那部長也留著那再來就是請我們的代副署長\n但目前0-2歲的29萬人,托育中心跟保姆總數加起來5.7萬。看起來,現在110年資料還是看到托育的涵蓋率是38.5%,請問衛福部怎麼去增加量能,來完善我們雙薪家庭的\n目前我們托育涵蓋率服務的涵蓋率是38.05可是我們目前的兩歲以下的加外送托率是23%點多\n所以其實目前的量能還是服務的量能還是足夠因為我們涵蓋率是38.05現在送托率是23那當然我們少子女化對策我們接下來的目標是希望能夠趕上OECD國家是希望能夠到35%對35所以在這個部分我們當然希望整個托育服務的涵蓋率還是要在如果要到35當然我們還要再提供比現在更高\n所以我們會再來持續針對不管是保姆跟托嬰中心都能夠來積極的來組建我覺得也要看均等因為我覺得成相差異如果你提供的私商是沒有辦法當然你會覺得這23%要送多少那我涵蓋率有38.5我覺得還是要去思考我們會來注意成相差距的問題這幾天一直在沸沸揚揚的就是我們很關心每一個孩子到了保姆家、到了托嬰中心、到了幼兒園到底安不安全\n那就要問目前托育中心的稽查又是提前預告沒有無預警抽查只要沒預警的方式的話那到底抽到的是真實現象嗎因為這是我從民間拿到的他們共同的一些問題點那再來就是居托人員如果違規\n各地方的處置不太一樣怎麼處置不太一樣有的縣市開勸導單就明明是已經是違規你開勸導單而且有的縣市要求說你要輔導他三次都已經違反規定了你還輔導他三次難怪居托人員出了事情的時候中央你就會措手不及可是地方這樣子做的時候你們了不了解地方的做法是什麼地方有各自的做法那管得嚴的縣市呢那可能居托人員\n及職場職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員\n及職場性別平等及性平三法上路如何落實職場性別平等及性平三法上路如何落實職場育兒環境及職業道德之培訓策進\n是不是有落實退場機制還有防止我們黑心業者重啟爐灶在這邊定的是托育中心、托育家園在兩年內你若違反我們的兒少權法的規定的時候採取就不能夠也跟上講去年呢臺北市發生了一個案子也就是員長負責人呢對那個收託的孩子呢\n強制猥褻。」那可是他有托育中心欸那為什麼他7月份已經事實上7月11已經被羈押可是他托育中心照樣同樣一個負責人持續的在在經營如果按照這樣違反兒少權法你不是應該就要去停止請他退准工嗎可是那也要問我們的副署長就是這個法規明定的不這麼清楚的時候那我不知道就是兩邊不勾結\n然後呢我有托幼兒園我又有托育中心然後我照樣一樣那如果是都是他經營的話那怎麼會是他還是可以持續經營等到媒體揭發之後才說那要讓他那大家趕快換負責人這就是我們又是借師還魂的一種做法所以我不知道衛福部跟我們的教育部怎麼去處理這樣兩邊資料到底勾不勾結\n其實是有勾結的我們是有定期的那個網路市長到底怎麼定期否則的話他已經是被羈押的狀態之後他的托育中心照樣就幼兒園即時的間接了\n然後另外就是說其實我們衛福部都有訂相關的托嬰中心的相關的方式都是藥材無預警那如果現在有一些縣市還是有事先通知所以市長是不是可以把我時間有限把報告交出來就是說如果那樣子的話我覺得就是一直沒有辦法做到防堵\n保姆如果這樣鬆,托嬰中心又這樣子的話,只要每一個孩子上面說我們再來檢討,坐在站這邊檢討是沒有意義的啦。所以也麻煩就是能夠鬆轉。連教育部跟我覺得衛福部的資料真的要勾結,謝謝。那再來就是勞動部這邊每年大概2%的企託,那絕大多數發津貼。\n事務及職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進\n提供提供提供提供\n我們希望提高托育量能,也希望衛福部能完善准工退場機制,也希望勞動部提供人力物力補助,增加企業\n然後在這邊要提醒部長上次已經跟你們要托育中心因為老師要好我們孩子才能好已經要求說你們要提供給我托育中心跟幼兒園的積查也就是勞動檢查可是到現在目前截至目前為止都還沒有送上麻煩勞動部這邊盡速送給我以上謝謝接下來我們請盧縣一委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:00.589\n有請我們的那個勞動部部長跟學特室的市長。好來請部長還有市長。\n\n00:38.920 --> 00:48.746\n新平三法通過,在8月16日,新平三法通過之後,這三部法的對象不太一樣。\n\n00:50.246 --> 01:09.125\n性平工作平等性平工作性工法裡邊事實上對職場還有我們的呃性平的教育法事實上是學校好那性騷事實上不特定對象好所以想問的是我不知道勞動部這邊到底對於好整個的好呃流程裡邊\n\n01:10.984 --> 01:36.898\n已經有讓所有的我們的職場工作者都了解了嗎?」這是一個。那一樣就是教育部也是。請部長這邊。是。各位報告,其實我們現在民眾遭遇到性騷擾的案子,他其實向任何一個機關來申訴,我們接到以後,機關內部他自己會去\n\n01:38.999 --> 02:03.944\n了解之後就直接pass給主責的機關去處理當然這個部分如果民眾知道要比如說校園當然是屬於學校那如果是職場當然是勞動部然後如果是其他就是內政部陣衛福部對不起衛福部但是如果說民眾搞不清楚沒有關係你只要提出申訴我們\n\n02:05.724 --> 02:27.242\n立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生福利及職業道德之培訓策進立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進立法院第1會期社會福利及職業道德之培訓策進立法院第1會\n\n02:35.606 --> 02:39.073\n學校障礙。我不知道教育部這邊有沒有一些因應的措施。\n\n02:43.154 --> 03:09.093\n平常在老師跟學生互動過程應該可以觀察到學生的情緒行為各方面的表現那如果有發現異常的狀況應該介入關懷並且進一步了解是不是有輔導的需求那如果他不想要用學校的輔導機制教育部有什麼其他替代的資源我們可以提供有關屬於那個就診的一些諮詢跟服務\n\n03:12.496 --> 03:39.779\n這是我嘗試把各個你出來我覺得現在我看到目前所有的業務單位整個的流程還是停留在性平三法修正之前所以也請只要相關的部會都要按照這樣子來做執行那謝謝司長那司長請回那部長也留著那再來就是請我們的代副署長\n\n03:48.442 --> 03:52.785\n但目前0-2歲的29萬人,托育中心跟保姆總數加起來5.7萬。看起來,現在110年資料還是看到托育的涵蓋率是38.5%,請問衛福部怎麼去增加量能,來完善我們雙薪家庭的\n\n04:15.922 --> 04:24.431\n目前我們托育涵蓋率服務的涵蓋率是38.05可是我們目前的兩歲以下的加外送托率是23%點多\n\n04:26.758 --> 04:55.821\n所以其實目前的量能還是服務的量能還是足夠因為我們涵蓋率是38.05現在送托率是23那當然我們少子女化對策我們接下來的目標是希望能夠趕上OECD國家是希望能夠到35%對35所以在這個部分我們當然希望整個托育服務的涵蓋率還是要在如果要到35當然我們還要再提供比現在更高\n\n04:56.229 --> 05:24.128\n所以我們會再來持續針對不管是保姆跟托嬰中心都能夠來積極的來組建我覺得也要看均等因為我覺得成相差異如果你提供的私商是沒有辦法當然你會覺得這23%要送多少那我涵蓋率有38.5我覺得還是要去思考我們會來注意成相差距的問題這幾天一直在沸沸揚揚的就是我們很關心每一個孩子到了保姆家、到了托嬰中心、到了幼兒園到底安不安全\n\n05:25.209 --> 05:47.678\n那就要問目前托育中心的稽查又是提前預告沒有無預警抽查只要沒預警的方式的話那到底抽到的是真實現象嗎因為這是我從民間拿到的他們共同的一些問題點那再來就是居托人員如果違規\n\n05:49.076 --> 06:18.525\n各地方的處置不太一樣怎麼處置不太一樣有的縣市開勸導單就明明是已經是違規你開勸導單而且有的縣市要求說你要輔導他三次都已經違反規定了你還輔導他三次難怪居托人員出了事情的時候中央你就會措手不及可是地方這樣子做的時候你們了不了解地方的做法是什麼地方有各自的做法那管得嚴的縣市呢那可能居托人員\n\n06:19.195 --> 06:19.215\n及職場職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員職員\n\n06:36.909 --> 06:40.193\n及職場性別平等及性平三法上路如何落實職場性別平等及性平三法上路如何落實職場育兒環境及職業道德之培訓策進\n\n06:57.291 --> 07:26.168\n是不是有落實退場機制還有防止我們黑心業者重啟爐灶在這邊定的是托育中心、托育家園在兩年內你若違反我們的兒少權法的規定的時候採取就不能夠也跟上講去年呢臺北市發生了一個案子也就是員長負責人呢對那個收託的孩子呢\n\n07:27.725 --> 07:55.568\n強制猥褻。」那可是他有托育中心欸那為什麼他7月份已經事實上7月11已經被羈押可是他托育中心照樣同樣一個負責人持續的在在經營如果按照這樣違反兒少權法你不是應該就要去停止請他退准工嗎可是那也要問我們的副署長就是這個法規明定的不這麼清楚的時候那我不知道就是兩邊不勾結\n\n07:57.069 --> 08:24.264\n然後呢我有托幼兒園我又有托育中心然後我照樣一樣那如果是都是他經營的話那怎麼會是他還是可以持續經營等到媒體揭發之後才說那要讓他那大家趕快換負責人這就是我們又是借師還魂的一種做法所以我不知道衛福部跟我們的教育部怎麼去處理這樣兩邊資料到底勾不勾結\n\n08:25.624 --> 08:38.151\n其實是有勾結的我們是有定期的那個網路市長到底怎麼定期否則的話他已經是被羈押的狀態之後他的托育中心照樣就幼兒園即時的間接了\n\n08:42.814 --> 09:05.098\n然後另外就是說其實我們衛福部都有訂相關的托嬰中心的相關的方式都是藥材無預警那如果現在有一些縣市還是有事先通知所以市長是不是可以把我時間有限把報告交出來就是說如果那樣子的話我覺得就是一直沒有辦法做到防堵\n\n09:05.618 --> 09:16.621\n保姆如果這樣鬆,托嬰中心又這樣子的話,只要每一個孩子上面說我們再來檢討,坐在站這邊檢討是沒有意義的啦。所以也麻煩就是能夠鬆轉。連教育部跟我覺得衛福部的資料真的要勾結,謝謝。那再來就是勞動部這邊每年大概2%的企託,那絕大多數發津貼。\n\n09:29.488 --> 09:33.831\n事務及職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進、職業道德之培訓策進\n\n09:54.707 --> 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