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00:02:23,519\n展示這個正義與人權的教育那我們來看就是說我們中研院就是說當然我們是AI主體那人工智慧的應用當然就是是當代兒少未來一定會面臨到的議題所以我們必須要搭上這個趨勢所以從小建立這個基礎的知能瞭解怎麼樣在各個領域來應用對下一代兒少當然相當的重要\n\n8\n00:02:24,219 --> 00:02:24,840\n中央研究院院長林宜瑾\n\n9\n00:02:48,502 --> 00:03:13,290\n這次的策展以創新科普的方式來呈現有沒有相對疏忽照顧到這個兒少科普教育的情形那再次這次書展我們有沒有這個兒少友善的相對的書目那同樣的也想請院長回覆在去年10月院區開放這個兒童科普日的這個活動中有沒有收到\n\n10\n00:03:15,110 --> 00:03:38,684\n相對的要進行一些改善或建議的回饋那我想針對中研院經營這個兒少科普這個業務你覺得還有什麼努力的空間沒有?好謝謝委員首先回答這個我們去年首度舉辦的這個兒童科普日我們非常感謝這個立法院的建議並且全部這個中研院的學者專家\n\n11\n00:03:39,745 --> 00:03:39,885\n李卓人議員\n\n12\n00:03:58,889 --> 00:04:25,343\n至於說這個AI在兒童科普方面畢竟AI是一個非常新的一個議題連大人都不曉得怎麼樣面對AI所以我們會將來朝這方向走那剛開始我們今年可能確實是在AI的兒童科普方面是可能沒有這方面的進步但是這也是一個很好的一個未來的發展方向但是我擔心那我們有的時候AI已經變了\n\n13\n00:04:26,703 --> 00:04:31,047\n委員會提的這個方向都是非常正確的方向我們會朝這方向持續思考努力走快一點\n\n14\n00:04:44,380 --> 00:04:45,581\n去年5月本席曾問過去碳燃氫發電技術的基本內容跟發展的可能\n\n15\n00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:15,428\n一年過去了我想這項技術是不是有更更新的進度這部分要想進一步追問簡單來說我們相對於天然氣發電去碳燃氫的發電技術幾乎不會產生二氧化碳\n\n16\n00:05:23,336 --> 00:05:45,831\n對達成淨零碳排的目標有非常大的注意所以去年11月蔡總統也出席了中研院跟臺電合辦的去碳燃金發電技術的發布會會中也有指出說在去年的9月也成功發出臺灣第一度的零碳電力首度成功串接小型的商用發電機組蔡總統對這項技術是非常的肯定所以\n\n17\n00:05:51,335 --> 00:05:53,316\n去年2月中研院也有跟臺電簽署檢探備忘錄．首推去探燃清的應用．也跟臺電工程人員積極在合作．中研院也有跟國內的氣體廠商合作．\n\n18\n00:06:06,884 --> 00:06:25,870\n目標就是把去碳燃氣產出的氫氣用於興達電廠燃氣混氫的發電示範所以想要就教院長說這項去碳燃氣的技術在大規模的商轉前還有什麼可以精進的空間那什麼時候可以規模化的投入商轉\n\n19\n00:06:26,570 --> 00:06:55,138\n好這個謝謝委員提問這個非常重要的一個議題那區段燃清雖然它有很多好處但是剛才有其他委員提到這個不可避免它是要成本的並不是一個完全這個天上掉下來的禮物所以我們的目標就是怎麼樣降低成本雖然我們可以達到目標但是我們希望說電價即使要漲不會漲得很多那講大家可以接受的範圍是我們需要努力的方向\n\n20\n00:06:55,738 --> 00:07:20,701\n那什麼叫大家可接受範圍那個可能要與時俱進我們跟業界一起來做那我們從技術角度我們持續精進怎麼樣把這個成本降越低怎麼樣看可以用新的科技新的做法讓規模放大的同時成本也可以降低所以這個是這個非常艱辛的一個工作那我們院裡面也積極在投入持續在投入謝謝委員的關心\n\n21\n00:07:21,141 --> 00:07:24,524\n中央研究院院長廖俊智列席報告\n\n22\n00:07:40,037 --> 00:07:40,497\n林宜瑾議員\n\n23\n00:08:02,628 --> 00:08:25,401\n我們也同時在同步處理這方面我們的想法事實上也跟很多的業界同步在進行可以做初期可以做一些高單價的碳材的應用中期可以做比較低單價的碳材應用主要是用在建材成本那在晚期真的要大型應用的時候就要利用這些固態碳\n\n24\n00:08:26,321 --> 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謝謝委員首先回答這個我們去年首度舉辦的這個兒童科普日我們非常感謝這個立法院的建議並且全部這個中研院的學者專家\n李卓人議員\n至於說這個AI在兒童科普方面畢竟AI是一個非常新的一個議題連大人都不曉得怎麼樣面對AI所以我們會將來朝這方向走那剛開始我們今年可能確實是在AI的兒童科普方面是可能沒有這方面的進步但是這也是一個很好的一個未來的發展方向但是我擔心那我們有的時候AI已經變了\n委員會提的這個方向都是非常正確的方向我們會朝這方向持續思考努力走快一點\n去年5月本席曾問過去碳燃氫發電技術的基本內容跟發展的可能\n一年過去了我想這項技術是不是有更更新的進度這部分要想進一步追問簡單來說我們相對於天然氣發電去碳燃氫的發電技術幾乎不會產生二氧化碳\n對達成淨零碳排的目標有非常大的注意所以去年11月蔡總統也出席了中研院跟臺電合辦的去碳燃金發電技術的發布會會中也有指出說在去年的9月也成功發出臺灣第一度的零碳電力首度成功串接小型的商用發電機組蔡總統對這項技術是非常的肯定所以\n去年2月中研院也有跟臺電簽署檢探備忘錄．首推去探燃清的應用．也跟臺電工程人員積極在合作．中研院也有跟國內的氣體廠商合作．\n目標就是把去碳燃氣產出的氫氣用於興達電廠燃氣混氫的發電示範所以想要就教院長說這項去碳燃氣的技術在大規模的商轉前還有什麼可以精進的空間那什麼時候可以規模化的投入商轉\n好 這個謝謝委員提問 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