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00:01:57,912\n這個幫派你要曉得喔如果一旦在暴動的時候那個情勢裡面是掌控不出來的喔所以你們應該本來就是應該要開始要做徹橋計畫而且是趕快進行的因為既然已經進入到紅色警戒\n\n7\n00:01:58,692 --> 00:02:12,879\n那為什麼到目前來講說是還在規劃當中一個幫派能夠在那邊暴動而讓總理下台的這個原因當然多重的原因因為有好幾個7個組織裡面那聽聽你的想法\n\n8\n00:02:19,330 --> 00:02:36,202\n非常謝謝委員就是說我們的大使館在那邊對當地的這個情勢是隨時隨地都在掌握那我們大使館所在的這個區域是遠離那個暴亂比較嚴重的這個區域像機場或者是港口這些區域\n\n9\n00:02:37,850 --> 00:02:59,499\n所以我們到目前為止雖然說有計畫但是沒有立即執行的這個方向在沒有立即執行的這種討論那但是如果說有必要去撤僑的時候我們就會把所以本席建議提示一下那既然在那個地方因為機場\n\n10\n00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:00,779\n韓國瑜\n\n11\n00:03:20,965 --> 00:03:36,238\n那另外是我們如何因應這樣的一個海地我們是一個邦交國那另外是據說據聞可能會有斷交的申辯有沒有\n\n12\n00:03:37,807 --> 00:03:52,428\n有關於斷交這一塊倒是沒有任何的跡象海地目前雖然亂可是我們好幾個跟他們的合作計畫都還在推動當中海地不管是之前的政府\n\n13\n00:03:52,688 --> 00:03:52,908\n剛剛我提到的嘛\n\n14\n00:04:17,269 --> 00:04:44,566\n現在可能會有最大的幫派取得政權,你們如何因應?我想他們這邊的那個政權的這個轉換可能不是說由幫派這邊來主導而是那個美國等等的這些國家他們透過那個Caricom的這個機制希望能夠協助海地順利度過目前的危機去建立他們未來的這個政府\n\n15\n00:04:45,026 --> 00:05:14,193\n那未來可能進到政府裡面的這些人其實跟我們都有聯繫好我因為現在我們的邦交國現在是12個邦交國海地是其中一個是沒有錯我們要很珍惜跟海地的邦交當然另外我特別要探討的地方是第一個現在部長有沒有聽過這個原住民的外交知道我當然知道\n\n16\n00:05:14,963 --> 00:05:20,066\n我們現在外交竟然只僅剩12個邦交國有沒有可能你們去思考一下我們在聯合國裡面我們是台灣少數民族裡面的一個觀察員的身份\n\n17\n00:06:02,063 --> 00:06:21,848\n這個國家也應該善用我們在國際間少數民族在台灣原住民在台灣能夠連結到我們南島以西的民族拓展我們的邦交也借用我們在國際間在南島以西的民族的原住民\n\n18\n00:06:25,398 --> 00:06:44,675\n委員講得非常好,那其實這個也是我們正在推動的一個政策的方向那我之前也到那個太平洋的這些友邦去過好幾次那的確他們也非常重視跟我們台灣的這個淵源所以這個部分是有關於太平洋的島國\n\n19\n00:06:46,076 --> 00:07:14,354\n但是如果說看看全世界有原住民比較多而且活動力比較強的這些國家比如像澳洲、加拿大、紐西蘭等等的那我們跟他們已經簽了一個協議這個協議就是原住民族經濟的合作協議那也透過這個協議我們能夠跟加拿大、澳洲、紐西蘭等等的這些國家能夠更加強有關於原住民這個議題上面的這個合作\n\n20\n00:07:15,514 --> 00:07:31,226\n本來就有台灣跟紐西蘭本來就有這個經濟協定這個部分那當然除了這個部分之外我們應該在屬於南島以西的這樣的一個地方比如說南太平洋群島\n\n21\n00:07:33,047 --> 00:07:56,147\n以及印尼馬來西亞群島這個東達南太平洋東部的復活島及紐西蘭跟我們的台灣這樣的一個立場今天原住民的外交議題不是現在的新的議題在2008年前駐斐濟代表\n\n22\n00:07:57,668 --> 00:08:24,785\n就已經在擔任過原住民的外交官那我不知道你們現在外交官裡面的這個有沒有彰顯他的一個主體性能夠凸顯太平洋這個區域的政治有時合作的或是競爭更展現充滿張力的動態性請問我們目前駐外的外交官有沒有原住民的代表\n\n23\n00:08:26,292 --> 00:08:39,164\n我們應該有但是因為我們就是不分族群所以也沒有去問說這個是不是原住民這個是台灣人這個是哪裡人我們沒有在這樣子問那我請我們的人事處處長是不是簡單的先等一下\n\n24\n00:08:40,677 --> 00:08:58,913\n我還沒有問人事處長之前我們已經有這個案例剛剛我講的在2008年的時候就有一個斐濟代表就是布農族的尤哈尼尤哈尼也當過我們移民會的主委\n\n25\n00:08:59,774 --> 00:08:59,894\n來人事\n\n26\n00:09:29,624 --> 00:09:40,260\n報告委員部裏面我們有7位原住民的擔任我們的外交人員目前還沒有當到代表\n\n27\n00:09:41,670 --> 00:09:57,826\n那可是假以時日也一定會有一天也能夠當到代表那以上是說明不是假以時日好不好管碧玲就在重要的時刻裡面提到原住民的升遷問題這個一直存在的升遷的問題當然我不談這些\n\n28\n00:10:00,869 --> 00:10:15,601\n將來以後會不會有一個這個大使或是代表其實你們好好的從這個角度裡面去做思考委員提出來這個角度很好我們駐外的大使其實也可以政治任命\n\n29\n00:10:16,542 --> 00:10:16,922\n台灣是一個多元的文化\n\n30\n00:10:46,304 --> 00:11:00,812\n當然你們現在的執政者對原住民來講從蔡英文上任之後對全世界對國內全國來做一個道歉道歉的之後的\n\n31\n00:11:02,073 --> 00:11:05,494\n對於原住民在台灣的地位跟他的身份跟他的主人的一個角度也應該加以的\n\n32\n00:11:24,142 --> 00:11:24,162\n吳釗燮報告\n\n33\n00:11:44,633 --> 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人事\n569624\t580260\t報告委員部裏面我們有7位原住民的擔任我們的外交人員目前還沒有當到代表\n581670\t597826\t那可是假以時日也一定會有一天也能夠當到代表那以上是說明不是假以時日好不好管碧玲就在重要的時刻裡面提到原住民的升遷問題這個一直存在的升遷的問題當然我不談這些\n600869\t615601\t將來以後會不會有一個這個大使或是代表其實你們好好的從這個角度裡面去做思考委員提出來這個角度很好我們駐外的大使其實也可以政治任命\n616542\t616922\t台灣是一個多元的文化\n646304\t660812\t當然你們現在的執政者對原住民來講從蔡英文上任之後對全世界對國內全國來做一個道歉道歉的之後的\n662073\t665494\t對於原住民在台灣的地位跟他的身份跟他的主人的一個角度也應該加以的\n684142\t684162\t吳釗燮報告\n704633\t704853\t好,以上,謝謝\n","txt":"有請部長請吳部長\n鳳爺好好你好就我們剛剛我們王定義所講的台海這個南海的局勢目前的狀況我就依這個狀況來講就是再繼續延伸我們南海局勢裡面現在已經進入到紅色警戒那\n有沒有告訴給國人就是在不予前往的情況之下的離境的一個方向那本席最主要的一個聚焦是在外交部是否在撤僑的一個計畫這個問題你待會再回答對海地\n那既然是在警戒的一個階段裡面目前來講我們有22個僑民是在裡面有沒有包含國和會有有那個使領館的人員有大使館的人員有國和會的人員還有當地的那個海外工程公司的人員一共加起來22位22位嘛對不對對好這個撤僑的一個計畫裡面是狀況如何現在\n我們都有在做規劃啦但是現在還不到那個時候這個規劃應該是蠻完整的今天我要講的這個撤僑的計畫裡面是什麼今天海地亨利的總理能夠下台原因就是因為幫派\n這個幫派你要曉得喔如果一旦在暴動的時候那個情勢裡面是掌控不出來的喔所以你們應該本來就是應該要開始要做徹橋計畫而且是趕快進行的因為既然已經進入到紅色警戒\n那為什麼到目前來講說是還在規劃當中一個幫派能夠在那邊暴動而讓總理下台的這個原因當然多重的原因因為有好幾個7個組織裡面那聽聽你的想法\n非常謝謝委員就是說我們的大使館在那邊對當地的這個情勢是隨時隨地都在掌握那我們大使館所在的這個區域是遠離那個暴亂比較嚴重的這個區域像機場或者是港口這些區域\n所以我們到目前為止雖然說有計畫但是沒有立即執行的這個方向在沒有立即執行的這種討論那但是如果說有必要去撤僑的時候我們就會把所以本席建議提示一下那既然在那個地方因為機場\n韓國瑜\n那另外是我們如何因應這樣的一個海地我們是一個邦交國那另外是據說據聞可能會有斷交的申辯有沒有\n有關於斷交這一塊倒是沒有任何的跡象海地目前雖然亂可是我們好幾個跟他們的合作計畫都還在推動當中海地不管是之前的政府\n剛剛我提到的嘛\n現在可能會有最大的幫派取得政權,你們如何因應?我想他們這邊的那個政權的這個轉換可能不是說由幫派這邊來主導而是那個美國等等的這些國家他們透過那個Caricom的這個機制希望能夠協助海地順利度過目前的危機去建立他們未來的這個政府\n那未來可能進到政府裡面的這些人其實跟我們都有聯繫好我因為現在我們的邦交國現在是12個邦交國海地是其中一個是沒有錯我們要很珍惜跟海地的邦交當然另外我特別要探討的地方是第一個現在部長有沒有聽過這個原住民的外交知道我當然知道\n我們現在外交竟然只僅剩12個邦交國有沒有可能你們去思考一下我們在聯合國裡面我們是台灣少數民族裡面的一個觀察員的身份\n吳釗燮\n這個國家也應該善用我們在國際間少數民族在台灣原住民在台灣能夠連結到我們南島以西的民族拓展我們的邦交也借用我們在國際間在南島以西的民族的原住民\n委員講得非常好,那其實這個也是我們正在推動的一個政策的方向那我之前也到那個太平洋的這些友邦去過好幾次那的確他們也非常重視跟我們台灣的這個淵源所以這個部分是有關於太平洋的島國\n但是如果說看看全世界有原住民比較多而且活動力比較強的這些國家比如像澳洲、加拿大、紐西蘭等等的那我們跟他們已經簽了一個協議這個協議就是原住民族經濟的合作協議那也透過這個協議我們能夠跟加拿大、澳洲、紐西蘭等等的這些國家能夠更加強有關於原住民這個議題上面的這個合作\n本來就有台灣跟紐西蘭本來就有這個經濟協定這個部分那當然除了這個部分之外我們應該在屬於南島以西的這樣的一個地方比如說南太平洋群島\n以及印尼馬來西亞群島這個東達南太平洋東部的復活島及紐西蘭跟我們的台灣這樣的一個立場今天原住民的外交議題不是現在的新的議題在2008年前駐斐濟代表\n就已經在擔任過原住民的外交官那我不知道你們現在外交官裡面的這個有沒有彰顯他的一個主體性能夠凸顯太平洋這個區域的政治有時合作的或是競爭更展現充滿張力的動態性請問我們目前駐外的外交官有沒有原住民的代表\n我們應該有但是因為我們就是不分族群所以也沒有去問說這個是不是原住民這個是台灣人這個是哪裡人我們沒有在這樣子問那我請我們的人事處處長是不是簡單的先等一下\n我還沒有問人事處長之前我們已經有這個案例剛剛我講的在2008年的時候就有一個斐濟代表就是布農族的尤哈尼尤哈尼也當過我們移民會的主委\n來 人事\n報告委員部裏面我們有7位原住民的擔任我們的外交人員目前還沒有當到代表\n那可是假以時日也一定會有一天也能夠當到代表那以上是說明不是假以時日好不好管碧玲就在重要的時刻裡面提到原住民的升遷問題這個一直存在的升遷的問題當然我不談這些\n將來以後會不會有一個這個大使或是代表其實你們好好的從這個角度裡面去做思考委員提出來這個角度很好我們駐外的大使其實也可以政治任命\n台灣是一個多元的文化\n當然你們現在的執政者對原住民來講從蔡英文上任之後對全世界對國內全國來做一個道歉道歉的之後的\n對於原住民在台灣的地位跟他的身份跟他的主人的一個角度也應該加以的\n吳釗燮報告\n好,以上,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.397 --> 00:00.760\n有請部長請吳部長\n\n00:10.502 --> 00:30.616\n鳳爺好好你好就我們剛剛我們王定義所講的台海這個南海的局勢目前的狀況我就依這個狀況來講就是再繼續延伸我們南海局勢裡面現在已經進入到紅色警戒那\n\n00:32.011 --> 00:48.728\n有沒有告訴給國人就是在不予前往的情況之下的離境的一個方向那本席最主要的一個聚焦是在外交部是否在撤僑的一個計畫這個問題你待會再回答對海地\n\n00:53.092 --> 01:18.022\n那既然是在警戒的一個階段裡面目前來講我們有22個僑民是在裡面有沒有包含國和會有有那個使領館的人員有大使館的人員有國和會的人員還有當地的那個海外工程公司的人員一共加起來22位22位嘛對不對對好這個撤僑的一個計畫裡面是狀況如何現在\n\n01:22.311 --> 01:38.063\n我們都有在做規劃啦但是現在還不到那個時候這個規劃應該是蠻完整的今天我要講的這個撤僑的計畫裡面是什麼今天海地亨利的總理能夠下台原因就是因為幫派\n\n01:41.060 --> 01:57.912\n這個幫派你要曉得喔如果一旦在暴動的時候那個情勢裡面是掌控不出來的喔所以你們應該本來就是應該要開始要做徹橋計畫而且是趕快進行的因為既然已經進入到紅色警戒\n\n01:58.692 --> 02:12.879\n那為什麼到目前來講說是還在規劃當中一個幫派能夠在那邊暴動而讓總理下台的這個原因當然多重的原因因為有好幾個7個組織裡面那聽聽你的想法\n\n02:19.330 --> 02:36.202\n非常謝謝委員就是說我們的大使館在那邊對當地的這個情勢是隨時隨地都在掌握那我們大使館所在的這個區域是遠離那個暴亂比較嚴重的這個區域像機場或者是港口這些區域\n\n02:37.850 --> 02:59.499\n所以我們到目前為止雖然說有計畫但是沒有立即執行的這個方向在沒有立即執行的這種討論那但是如果說有必要去撤僑的時候我們就會把所以本席建議提示一下那既然在那個地方因為機場\n\n03:00.759 --> 03:00.779\n韓國瑜\n\n03:20.965 --> 03:36.238\n那另外是我們如何因應這樣的一個海地我們是一個邦交國那另外是據說據聞可能會有斷交的申辯有沒有\n\n03:37.807 --> 03:52.428\n有關於斷交這一塊倒是沒有任何的跡象海地目前雖然亂可是我們好幾個跟他們的合作計畫都還在推動當中海地不管是之前的政府\n\n03:52.688 --> 03:52.908\n剛剛我提到的嘛\n\n04:17.269 --> 04:44.566\n現在可能會有最大的幫派取得政權,你們如何因應?我想他們這邊的那個政權的這個轉換可能不是說由幫派這邊來主導而是那個美國等等的這些國家他們透過那個Caricom的這個機制希望能夠協助海地順利度過目前的危機去建立他們未來的這個政府\n\n04:45.026 --> 05:14.193\n那未來可能進到政府裡面的這些人其實跟我們都有聯繫好我因為現在我們的邦交國現在是12個邦交國海地是其中一個是沒有錯我們要很珍惜跟海地的邦交當然另外我特別要探討的地方是第一個現在部長有沒有聽過這個原住民的外交知道我當然知道\n\n05:14.963 --> 05:20.066\n我們現在外交竟然只僅剩12個邦交國有沒有可能你們去思考一下我們在聯合國裡面我們是台灣少數民族裡面的一個觀察員的身份\n\n06:02.063 --> 06:21.848\n這個國家也應該善用我們在國際間少數民族在台灣原住民在台灣能夠連結到我們南島以西的民族拓展我們的邦交也借用我們在國際間在南島以西的民族的原住民\n\n06:25.398 --> 06:44.675\n委員講得非常好,那其實這個也是我們正在推動的一個政策的方向那我之前也到那個太平洋的這些友邦去過好幾次那的確他們也非常重視跟我們台灣的這個淵源所以這個部分是有關於太平洋的島國\n\n06:46.076 --> 07:14.354\n但是如果說看看全世界有原住民比較多而且活動力比較強的這些國家比如像澳洲、加拿大、紐西蘭等等的那我們跟他們已經簽了一個協議這個協議就是原住民族經濟的合作協議那也透過這個協議我們能夠跟加拿大、澳洲、紐西蘭等等的這些國家能夠更加強有關於原住民這個議題上面的這個合作\n\n07:15.514 --> 07:31.226\n本來就有台灣跟紐西蘭本來就有這個經濟協定這個部分那當然除了這個部分之外我們應該在屬於南島以西的這樣的一個地方比如說南太平洋群島\n\n07:33.047 --> 07:56.147\n以及印尼馬來西亞群島這個東達南太平洋東部的復活島及紐西蘭跟我們的台灣這樣的一個立場今天原住民的外交議題不是現在的新的議題在2008年前駐斐濟代表\n\n07:57.668 --> 08:24.785\n就已經在擔任過原住民的外交官那我不知道你們現在外交官裡面的這個有沒有彰顯他的一個主體性能夠凸顯太平洋這個區域的政治有時合作的或是競爭更展現充滿張力的動態性請問我們目前駐外的外交官有沒有原住民的代表\n\n08:26.292 --> 08:39.164\n我們應該有但是因為我們就是不分族群所以也沒有去問說這個是不是原住民這個是台灣人這個是哪裡人我們沒有在這樣子問那我請我們的人事處處長是不是簡單的先等一下\n\n08:40.677 --> 08:58.913\n我還沒有問人事處長之前我們已經有這個案例剛剛我講的在2008年的時候就有一個斐濟代表就是布農族的尤哈尼尤哈尼也當過我們移民會的主委\n\n08:59.774 --> 08:59.894\n來人事\n\n09:29.624 --> 09:40.260\n報告委員部裏面我們有7位原住民的擔任我們的外交人員目前還沒有當到代表\n\n09:41.670 --> 09:57.826\n那可是假以時日也一定會有一天也能夠當到代表那以上是說明不是假以時日好不好管碧玲就在重要的時刻裡面提到原住民的升遷問題這個一直存在的升遷的問題當然我不談這些\n\n10:00.869 --> 10:15.601\n將來以後會不會有一個這個大使或是代表其實你們好好的從這個角度裡面去做思考委員提出來這個角度很好我們駐外的大使其實也可以政治任命\n\n10:16.542 --> 10:16.922\n台灣是一個多元的文化\n\n10:46.304 --> 11:00.812\n當然你們現在的執政者對原住民來講從蔡英文上任之後對全世界對國內全國來做一個道歉道歉的之後的\n\n11:02.073 --> 11:05.494\n對於原住民在台灣的地位跟他的身份跟他的主人的一個角度也應該加以的\n\n11:24.142 --> 11:24.162\n吳釗燮報告\n\n11:44.633 --> 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