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00:00:36,109\n許部長請問一下你們報告中勞動部針對我們完善職場的育兒環境很多的重點都放在我們的受僱者勞工還有僱主身上那當然這些措施跟法律上我們看起來是沒有什麼問題\n\n3\n00:00:37,170 --> 00:01:03,267\n可是我們對於支持家庭育兒、我們托育人員的培訓還有相關精進的這些部分我們看提到的部分很少那請問一下我們上面有提到我們托育人員技術事證我們勞動部有發出的19.3萬張對不對是那你有了解過這麼多人中他事實上有去職業的有多少職業的喔這個部分\n\n4\n00:01:06,417 --> 00:01:12,252\n就是領到這麼多技術市政然後真正有從事這個工作的人有多少?我請署長說\n\n5\n00:01:14,109 --> 00:01:39,669\n跟委員報告,我們技術事證因為就能力鑑定,那取得這個托育人員的證照之後我們目前就是如果他有意願從業的話,我們會把相關資料提供給衛福部,就是說相關的後續我的重點在於說,我們有受訓拿到這個技術事證可是19.3萬張,據我們調查資料了解,真正有下去從事的\n\n6\n00:01:40,729 --> 00:02:04,362\n職業的就是有去做這個工作的大概只有2.7萬也就是總共只佔了14%所以本來人就不多可是真正下去做的人又更少只達十幾%所以我們針對這一部分我們也了解到我們2.7萬就是有下去從事這個行業的保姆2.7萬中我們調查我們看一下我們\n\n7\n00:02:07,183 --> 00:02:34,960\n理解一下我們超過50歲的這下一頁超過50歲的我們看一下超過50歲的超過了6成也就是說未來這5到10年這2.7萬的保母中5年10年陸陸續續都在退休那而且針對彭管儒基金會在去年2月份他記者會有特別針對這個有召開就是我們\n\n8\n00:02:36,684 --> 00:02:39,075\n育有三歲以下的女性的參與\n\n9\n00:02:41,226 --> 00:03:10,226\n就是有參與我們事業的勞參率有高達7成也就是調查過我們在113年底我們可能要再增加4千位的托育人員所以我覺得這是非常嚴重的警訊總共只有2.7萬人2.7萬人馬上陸陸續續有1萬6千人在這5年10年都會退休而且今年年底還要再增加4千人請問一下針對這托育人員\n\n10\n00:03:11,787 --> 00:03:33,902\n這個虛材恐急,我們勞動部也沒有什麼比較精進的作為。這個可能會涉及到跨部會,包括教育部它有關於托育的系所的學生的招生。不是,我們現在沒有針對這個部分。就是剛剛您講的這個\n\n11\n00:03:39,345 --> 00:04:02,571\n職業人數不多因為很多來報考的人他其實可能也是自己考自己照顧自己的所以我說部長你們這個部分因為我說看你們的報告真的看不到針對這托育人員這人才有嚴重不足你發出19.3萬張真正在做從事的只有2.7萬這2.7萬裡面超過50歲的有1萬6千人\n\n12\n00:04:08,712 --> 00:04:23,343\n那等於說陸陸續續就有一萬六千人退休而且經過調查今年年底還要再補進四千人所以你馬上可以面臨這個托育人員是嚴重的不足可是看不到你們的報告針對這部分有做任何的檢討\n\n13\n00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:37,136\n報告委因為我們其實每年的報考人數都有一萬多人就是說有退那可能也有進有退也有進那其實像這個報考你看這個50歲以上其實還蠻適合的\n\n14\n00:04:39,358 --> 00:05:06,474\n他的自己的穩定﹖所以部長我是希望這個未雨綢繆現在已經馬上可以預期這是嚴重不足現在就不足馬上要退那麼多人年底算起來又要再增加那麼多人根本看不到你們有任何的措施而且最近發生這個額虐的事件這對保母我相信再叫他們從業我覺得對他們的事蹟也是很大的影響\n\n15\n00:05:07,254 --> 00:05:27,521\n所以我希望針對衛福部還有勞動部真的要特別的注意當然我知道托育人員的工作環境跟收入的部分這些還有退出職場是衛福部的工作可是這個勞動部針對這個相關訓練跟培力還有人才的供給勞動部真的要再加強一下我們每年其實培訓2000多人\n\n16\n00:05:31,002 --> 00:05:48,144\n我們這個培訓都沒有問題都可以配合需求我希望這個還是要加強因為這所有的數據顯示是嚴重的不足而且面臨馬上退的跟現在要增加的根本都趕不上只會這個人愈缺愈多那還有\n\n17\n00:05:48,644 --> 00:05:54,067\n邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、\n\n18\n00:06:15,579 --> 00:06:35,910\n救福法則一般外國人從事專門性或技術性的工作我們是不是可以研議有一個什麼方法能夠讓這些人留下來來補充托育人員的不足?報告委員,這個只要把他納入專門技術性人員就可以了那這個部分必須衛福部一起來會商認定\n\n19\n00:06:37,210 --> 00:06:54,999\n這個我會臨時提案希望我們針對這部分來研議我覺得我們勞動部跟衛福部好好的來解決這方面的問題當然我也希望還有增加我們新住民專班也希望能夠在裡面\n\n20\n00:06:56,099 --> 00:07:22,332\n進行職業的培訓也能夠讓他們去取得培育人員技術性的證照新住民專班看可不可以開這個專業課程來補這個人才的不足這個好像現在有了吧?都有喔?托育人員其實我們都鼓勵不管新住民那我們有開這個班嗎?有現在有開嗎?針對新住民專班來開這個托育人員的技術性證照取得的這個職業訓練\n\n21\n00:07:25,275 --> 00:07:35,953\n希望這部分我們來加強一下因為面臨人才嚴重的不足應該要未以籌募趕快趕快來提出一些具體的方案那還有\n\n22\n00:07:36,724 --> 00:08:01,334\n我們之前我們賴清德副總統在選舉的時候他那個老宅也就是我們俗稱賴皮寮那當傳這個風風雨雨過去可是當初我們也是我們的準總統當初有說要針對這個老宅來做礦工生活紀念館那剛好現在在新北瑞芳有一個\n\n23\n00:08:01,974 --> 00:08:21,216\n由民間自動發起的猴童礦工文史館。」然後馬上6月底就面臨可能租約到期經營不善的問題他們也發起了一個許我一座公立礦工博物館是不是針對這一部分我們勞動部可不可以給予一些協助\n\n24\n00:08:21,820 --> 00:08:33,852\n報告委員,這次活動我去過啦相關的協助我之前也都有幫忙但這個管產權的問題我了解是新北,這件事情\n\n25\n00:08:35,595 --> 00:08:51,407\n那個文化部在協助處理就是有關於這個管的部分因為它是文史管是屬於全職機關在文化部我知道文化部有在幫忙所以部長針對這部分你有去了解嗎有有有我也希望說我們勞動部針對這部分\n\n26\n00:08:53,789 --> 00:08:54,289\n是否能給予協助?\n\n27\n00:09:14,174 --> 00:09:32,810\n所以我這邊也建議昭緯如果有機會我們這個考察行程的時候可以去這個我們猴童礦工的施工這個我去了兩三次了那到時候部長順便再幫我們說明一下因為我覺得這個居然他有提出這方面的需求跨部邀文化部一起來有勞動部來主導嘛然後邀請相關部會來把這個倡議支持行動\n\n28\n00:09:39,675 --> 00:09:45,118\n應職場性別平等及性平三法上路如何落實職場性別平三法上路如何落實職場性別平三法上路如何落實職場性別平\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t1310\t進行咨詢。」好,請我們勞動部部長。好,部長請。主委很好。\n21654\t36109\t許部長請問一下你們報告中勞動部針對我們完善職場的育兒環境很多的重點都放在我們的受僱者勞工還有僱主身上那當然這些措施跟法律上我們看起來是沒有什麼問題\n37170\t63267\t可是我們對於支持家庭育兒、我們托育人員的培訓還有相關精進的這些部分我們看提到的部分很少那請問一下我們上面有提到我們托育人員技術事證我們勞動部有發出的19.3萬張對不對是那你有了解過這麼多人中他事實上有去職業的有多少職業的喔這個部分\n66417\t72252\t就是領到這麼多技術市政然後真正有從事這個工作的人有多少?我請署長說\n74109\t99669\t跟委員報告,我們技術事證因為就能力鑑定,那取得這個托育人員的證照之後我們目前就是如果他有意願從業的話,我們會把相關資料提供給衛福部,就是說相關的後續我的重點在於說,我們有受訓拿到這個技術事證可是19.3萬張,據我們調查資料了解,真正有下去從事的\n100729\t124362\t職業的就是有去做這個工作的大概只有2.7萬也就是總共只佔了14%所以本來人就不多可是真正下去做的人又更少只達十幾%所以我們針對這一部分我們也了解到我們2.7萬就是有下去從事這個行業的保姆2.7萬中我們調查我們看一下我們\n127183\t154960\t理解一下我們超過50歲的這下一頁超過50歲的我們看一下超過50歲的超過了6成也就是說未來這5到10年這2.7萬的保母中5年10年陸陸續續都在退休那而且針對彭管儒基金會在去年2月份他記者會有特別針對這個有召開就是我們\n156684\t159075\t育有三歲以下的女性的參與\n161226\t190226\t就是有參與我們事業的勞參率有高達7成也就是調查過我們在113年底我們可能要再增加4千位的托育人員所以我覺得這是非常嚴重的警訊總共只有2.7萬人2.7萬人馬上陸陸續續有1萬6千人在這5年10年都會退休而且今年年底還要再增加4千人請問一下針對這托育人員\n191787\t213902\t這個虛材恐急,我們勞動部也沒有什麼比較精進的作為。這個可能會涉及到跨部會,包括教育部它有關於托育的系所的學生的招生。不是,我們現在沒有針對這個部分。就是剛剛您講的這個\n219345\t242571\t職業人數不多因為很多來報考的人他其實可能也是自己考自己照顧自己的所以我說部長你們這個部分因為我說看你們的報告真的看不到針對這托育人員這人才有嚴重不足你發出19.3萬張真正在做從事的只有2.7萬這2.7萬裡面超過50歲的有1萬6千人\n248712\t263343\t那等於說陸陸續續就有一萬六千人退休而且經過調查今年年底還要再補進四千人所以你馬上可以面臨這個托育人員是嚴重的不足可是看不到你們的報告針對這部分有做任何的檢討\n264264\t277136\t報告委因為我們其實每年的報考人數都有一萬多人就是說有退那可能也有進有退也有進那其實像這個報考你看這個50歲以上其實還蠻適合的\n279358\t306474\t他的自己的穩定﹖所以部長我是希望這個未雨綢繆現在已經馬上可以預期這是嚴重不足現在就不足馬上要退那麼多人年底算起來又要再增加那麼多人根本看不到你們有任何的措施而且最近發生這個額虐的事件這對保母我相信再叫他們從業我覺得對他們的事蹟也是很大的影響\n307254\t327521\t所以我希望針對衛福部還有勞動部真的要特別的注意當然我知道托育人員的工作環境跟收入的部分這些還有退出職場是衛福部的工作可是這個勞動部針對這個相關訓練跟培力還有人才的供給勞動部真的要再加強一下我們每年其實培訓2000多人\n331002\t348144\t我們這個培訓都沒有問題都可以配合需求我希望這個還是要加強因為這所有的數據顯示是嚴重的不足而且面臨馬上退的跟現在要增加的根本都趕不上只會這個人愈缺愈多那還有\n348644\t354067\t邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、\n375579\t395910\t救福法則一般外國人從事專門性或技術性的工作我們是不是可以研議有一個什麼方法能夠讓這些人留下來來補充托育人員的不足?報告委員,這個只要把他納入專門技術性人員就可以了那這個部分必須衛福部一起來會商認定\n397210\t414999\t這個我會臨時提案希望我們針對這部分來研議我覺得我們勞動部跟衛福部好好的來解決這方面的問題當然我也希望還有增加我們新住民專班也希望能夠在裡面\n416099\t442332\t進行職業的培訓也能夠讓他們去取得培育人員技術性的證照新住民專班看可不可以開這個專業課程來補這個人才的不足這個好像現在有了吧?都有喔?托育人員其實我們都鼓勵不管新住民那我們有開這個班嗎?有現在有開嗎?針對新住民專班來開這個托育人員的技術性證照取得的這個職業訓練\n445275\t455953\t希望這部分我們來加強一下因為面臨人才嚴重的不足應該要未以籌募趕快趕快來提出一些具體的方案那還有\n456724\t481334\t我們之前我們賴清德副總統在選舉的時候他那個老宅也就是我們俗稱賴皮寮那當傳這個風風雨雨過去可是當初我們也是我們的準總統當初有說要針對這個老宅來做礦工生活紀念館那剛好現在在新北瑞芳有一個\n481974\t501216\t由民間自動發起的猴童礦工文史館。」然後馬上6月底就面臨可能租約到期經營不善的問題他們也發起了一個許我一座公立礦工博物館是不是針對這一部分我們勞動部可不可以給予一些協助\n501820\t513852\t報告委員,這次活動我去過啦相關的協助我之前也都有幫忙但這個管產權的問題我了解是新北,這件事情\n515595\t531407\t那個文化部在協助處理就是有關於這個管的部分因為它是文史管是屬於全職機關在文化部我知道文化部有在幫忙所以部長針對這部分你有去了解嗎有有有我也希望說我們勞動部針對這部分\n533789\t534289\t是否能給予協助?\n554174\t572810\t所以我這邊也建議昭緯如果有機會我們這個考察行程的時候可以去這個我們猴童礦工的施工這個我去了兩三次了那到時候部長順便再幫我們說明一下因為我覺得這個居然他有提出這方面的需求跨部邀文化部一起來有勞動部來主導嘛然後邀請相關部會來把這個倡議支持行動\n579675\t585118\t應職場性別平等及性平三法上路如何落實職場性別平三法上路如何落實職場性別平三法上路如何落實職場性別平\n","txt":"進行咨詢。」好,請我們勞動部部長。好,部長請。主委很好。\n許部長請問一下你們報告中勞動部針對我們完善職場的育兒環境很多的重點都放在我們的受僱者勞工還有僱主身上那當然這些措施跟法律上我們看起來是沒有什麼問題\n可是我們對於支持家庭育兒、我們托育人員的培訓還有相關精進的這些部分我們看提到的部分很少那請問一下我們上面有提到我們托育人員技術事證我們勞動部有發出的19.3萬張對不對是那你有了解過這麼多人中他事實上有去職業的有多少職業的喔這個部分\n就是領到這麼多技術市政然後真正有從事這個工作的人有多少?我請署長說\n跟委員報告,我們技術事證因為就能力鑑定,那取得這個托育人員的證照之後我們目前就是如果他有意願從業的話,我們會把相關資料提供給衛福部,就是說相關的後續我的重點在於說,我們有受訓拿到這個技術事證可是19.3萬張,據我們調查資料了解,真正有下去從事的\n職業的就是有去做這個工作的大概只有2.7萬也就是總共只佔了14%所以本來人就不多可是真正下去做的人又更少只達十幾%所以我們針對這一部分我們也了解到我們2.7萬就是有下去從事這個行業的保姆2.7萬中我們調查我們看一下我們\n理解一下我們超過50歲的這下一頁超過50歲的我們看一下超過50歲的超過了6成也就是說未來這5到10年這2.7萬的保母中5年10年陸陸續續都在退休那而且針對彭管儒基金會在去年2月份他記者會有特別針對這個有召開就是我們\n育有三歲以下的女性的參與\n就是有參與我們事業的勞參率有高達7成也就是調查過我們在113年底我們可能要再增加4千位的托育人員所以我覺得這是非常嚴重的警訊總共只有2.7萬人2.7萬人馬上陸陸續續有1萬6千人在這5年10年都會退休而且今年年底還要再增加4千人請問一下針對這托育人員\n這個虛材恐急,我們勞動部也沒有什麼比較精進的作為。這個可能會涉及到跨部會,包括教育部它有關於托育的系所的學生的招生。不是,我們現在沒有針對這個部分。就是剛剛您講的這個\n職業人數不多因為很多來報考的人他其實可能也是自己考自己照顧自己的所以我說部長你們這個部分因為我說看你們的報告真的看不到針對這托育人員這人才有嚴重不足你發出19.3萬張真正在做從事的只有2.7萬這2.7萬裡面超過50歲的有1萬6千人\n那等於說陸陸續續就有一萬六千人退休而且經過調查今年年底還要再補進四千人所以你馬上可以面臨這個托育人員是嚴重的不足可是看不到你們的報告針對這部分有做任何的檢討\n報告委因為我們其實每年的報考人數都有一萬多人就是說有退那可能也有進有退也有進那其實像這個報考你看這個50歲以上其實還蠻適合的\n他的自己的穩定﹖所以部長我是希望這個未雨綢繆現在已經馬上可以預期這是嚴重不足現在就不足馬上要退那麼多人年底算起來又要再增加那麼多人根本看不到你們有任何的措施而且最近發生這個額虐的事件這對保母我相信再叫他們從業我覺得對他們的事蹟也是很大的影響\n所以我希望針對衛福部還有勞動部真的要特別的注意當然我知道托育人員的工作環境跟收入的部分這些還有退出職場是衛福部的工作可是這個勞動部針對這個相關訓練跟培力還有人才的供給勞動部真的要再加強一下我們每年其實培訓2000多人\n我們這個培訓都沒有問題都可以配合需求我希望這個還是要加強因為這所有的數據顯示是嚴重的不足而且面臨馬上退的跟現在要增加的根本都趕不上只會這個人愈缺愈多那還有\n邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、邀請勞動部部長：一、\n救福法則一般外國人從事專門性或技術性的工作我們是不是可以研議有一個什麼方法能夠讓這些人留下來來補充托育人員的不足?報告委員,這個只要把他納入專門技術性人員就可以了那這個部分必須衛福部一起來會商認定\n這個我會臨時提案希望我們針對這部分來研議我覺得我們勞動部跟衛福部好好的來解決這方面的問題當然我也希望還有增加我們新住民專班也希望能夠在裡面\n進行職業的培訓也能夠讓他們去取得培育人員技術性的證照新住民專班看可不可以開這個專業課程來補這個人才的不足這個好像現在有了吧?都有喔?托育人員其實我們都鼓勵不管新住民那我們有開這個班嗎?有現在有開嗎?針對新住民專班來開這個托育人員的技術性證照取得的這個職業訓練\n希望這部分我們來加強一下因為面臨人才嚴重的不足應該要未以籌募趕快趕快來提出一些具體的方案那還有\n我們之前我們賴清德副總統在選舉的時候他那個老宅也就是我們俗稱賴皮寮那當傳這個風風雨雨過去可是當初我們也是我們的準總統當初有說要針對這個老宅來做礦工生活紀念館那剛好現在在新北瑞芳有一個\n由民間自動發起的猴童礦工文史館。」然後馬上6月底就面臨可能租約到期經營不善的問題他們也發起了一個許我一座公立礦工博物館是不是針對這一部分我們勞動部可不可以給予一些協助\n報告委員,這次活動我去過啦相關的協助我之前也都有幫忙但這個管產權的問題我了解是新北,這件事情\n那個文化部在協助處理就是有關於這個管的部分因為它是文史管是屬於全職機關在文化部我知道文化部有在幫忙所以部長針對這部分你有去了解嗎有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