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00:03:29,412\n請問一下部長這個處理態度是不是應該給予鼓勵請部長回答我想違規使用的部分能夠去把它依法來做這個改正我想這個本來就是應該做的OK好謝謝部長那因為部長也曾經是民意代表啦所以你會不會覺得就是在選舉的時候好像才會被嚴格的檢驗那也就是農地違規的使用的問題才有辦法獲得解決呢\n\n10\n00:03:30,132 --> 00:03:30,573\n市長也是民選的嗎?所以也是經過選舉嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:47,905 --> 00:04:09,555\n我想這個違規的這個事情其實都是在處理那這一般是屬於地方政府的一個權責不過因為在選舉的時候我們的候選人他因為這個媒體關注所以容易被凸顯出來所以好像要選舉才會這個問題才會被凸顯出來那再請教一下部長平常的時候其實各地方政府也都很努力積極在做處理但是現在還有六七萬公請喔\n\n12\n00:04:10,455 --> 00:04:26,806\n請教一下部長總統當選人賴清德的萬里老家的違建問題也被討論了很多我想請教一下部長賴清德的萬里老家符不符合違建的定義這個其實在選舉期間也已經講過很多次了\n\n13\n00:04:26,906 --> 00:04:27,426\n所以我一幫政治的違建,這樣算不算?\n\n14\n00:04:44,459 --> 00:05:01,524\n我想請教一下部長2003年以前這個賴清的老家其實不是這樣子的是到2003年之後我們依照他當時的航照圖改建成現在這個興建房屋的模樣請問部長同不同意我想這部分請吳署長來做說明感謝委員那其實這一個部分的土地的確就如剛剛部長所講的\n\n15\n00:05:10,255 --> 00:05:34,187\n這個其實在臺灣在礦業也好林業也好其實都有這類的問題那所以其實這類的民眾是因為政府的法規土地法規沒有適時的修正讓他導致他無法立法那我想啦依照這個剛剛部長回答的這個國土計畫的土地使用指導原則必須要在既有合法的使用下才能重新辨定剛剛部長說回答正確嘛所以你認為賴清德的老家符合這個原則嗎\n\n16\n00:05:35,747 --> 00:05:56,120\n這個部分跟委員報告好這個部分我們跟經濟部地礦中心已經有邀集相關的縣市政府都有開過會那我們預計在這個月底會把整個的檢討原則全部確認清楚那就可以蓋實進行這個邊更邊訂的作用我想請教一下部長所以剛剛請教您的就是賴清德的老家符合這個原則嗎\n\n17\n00:05:57,301 --> 00:05:59,563\n我記得署長之前也對賴清德的老家做出解釋他說由於當時的民眾\n\n18\n00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:37,319\n未能及時的獲取礦業計畫廢紙的資訊加上法律諮詢服務並未普及所以政府部門也沒有辦法主動的通知及協助民眾辦理合法化的作業後續也沒有適時的檢討相關的法令也沒有通案檢討廢紙後使用地處理機制合理性所以讓問題這個延伸至今所以部長跟署長\n\n19\n00:06:42,324 --> 00:07:07,476\n我覺得你這段說法有兩個問題第一個問題就是說2003年的時候賴清德當時是擔任立法委員你覺得他的資訊取得跟他的這個法律知識跟一般人一樣嗎其實不一樣所以你們現在我覺得只是為了要解套所以內政部國土署也居然在國土計畫法要開後門所以我覺得以本席看來其實你這部分其實就是在\n\n20\n00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:32,164\n在為520之後披露。第二個問題就是2003年當時的臺北縣長是蘇貞昌那吳署長是在說當時的臺北縣政府、縣長都沒有辦法主動通知及協助民眾辦理合法化的作業嗎?所以現在需要總統當選人賴清德的政府幫自己解套這樣算不上是利益衝突?需不需要迴避呢?所以另外也請教部長\n\n21\n00:07:32,824 --> 00:07:42,856\n本席看你所提的報告上面有提到國土計畫法上路之後要維護民眾的權益其中第二點有寫到因應礦業、林業等目的地事業計畫廢止或退場經由鄉村地區的整體規劃研擬因地制宜\n\n22\n00:07:49,043 --> 00:08:02,758\n這句話的意思是不是指內政部將通過通案處理的方式以整體性的空間發展計畫幫賴清德老家回敬解套呢?\n\n23\n00:08:03,579 --> 00:08:05,781\n請問您知道嗎?依據經濟部的調查所提供的資料,發現以這樣具有建物的土地面積,你知道現在有多少公頃嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:24,413 --> 00:08:44,290\n三百四幾公頃三百四幾是用這個用地像是有建物的土地面積有三十二公頃也就是這三十二公頃你們都要做這樣的專案通案的處理方式嗎而剛剛那個意思叫做整規相分地區的一個整體規劃那這個也是國土計畫裡面一個非常重要的配套機制\n\n25\n00:08:44,890 --> 00:09:09,869\n我是覺得部長因為賴清德的老家竟然被稱為賴皮寮所以如果內政部要幫賴皮寮的違建解套的話我覺得內政部應該要更名為賴皮部委員並不是這樣子剛剛說得很清楚這是一個全國通案然後原住民還有林務署還有那個委員對不起請千萬不要這樣子貼標籤我們在處理的是全國性的問題好不好\n\n26\n00:09:18,573 --> 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所以剛剛請教您的就是賴清德的老家符合這個原則嗎\n我記得署長之前也對賴清德的老家做出解釋他說由於當時的民眾\n未能及時的獲取礦業計畫廢紙的資訊加上法律諮詢服務並未普及所以政府部門也沒有辦法主動的通知及協助民眾辦理合法化的作業後續也沒有適時的檢討相關的法令也沒有通案檢討廢紙後使用地處理機制合理性所以讓問題這個延伸至今所以部長跟署長\n我覺得你這段說法有兩個問題第一個問題就是說2003年的時候賴清德當時是擔任立法委員你覺得他的資訊取得跟他的這個法律知識跟一般人一樣嗎其實不一樣所以你們現在我覺得只是為了要解套所以內政部國土署也居然在國土計畫法要開後門所以我覺得以本席看來其實你這部分其實就是在\n在為520之後披露。第二個問題就是2003年當時的臺北縣長是蘇貞昌那吳署長是在說當時的臺北縣政府、縣長都沒有辦法主動通知及協助民眾辦理合法化的作業嗎?所以現在需要總統當選人賴清德的政府幫自己解套這樣算不上是利益衝突?需不需要迴避呢?所以另外也請教部長\n本席看你所提的報告上面有提到國土計畫法上路之後要維護民眾的權益其中第二點有寫到因應礦業、林業等目的地事業計畫廢止或退場經由鄉村地區的整體規劃研擬因地制宜\n這句話的意思是不是指內政部將通過通案處理的方式以整體性的空間發展計畫幫賴清德老家回敬解套呢?\n請問您知道嗎?依據經濟部的調查所提供的資料,發現以這樣具有建物的土地面積,你知道現在有多少公頃嗎?\n三百四幾公頃三百四幾是用這個用地像是有建物的土地面積有三十二公頃也就是這三十二公頃你們都要做這樣的專案通案的處理方式嗎而剛剛那個意思叫做整規相分地區的一個整體規劃那這個也是國土計畫裡面一個非常重要的配套機制\n我是覺得部長因為賴清德的老家竟然被稱為賴皮寮所以如果內政部要幫賴皮寮的違建解套的話我覺得內政部應該要更名為賴皮部委員並不是這樣子剛剛說得很清楚這是一個全國通案然後原住民還有林務署還有那個委員對不起請千萬不要這樣子貼標籤我們在處理的是全國性的問題好不好\n請網美會委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:21.990\n提出質詢謝謝主席請林佑昌部長部長有請委員好\n\n00:23.902 --> 00:41.318\n想請教部長依據全國的國土計畫的土地使用指導原則之一就是保障既有的合法權利允許土地使用因此針對既有合法的建築用地原依區計畫法編定的可建築用地與不妨礙國土的保育\n\n00:41.778 --> 00:43.320\n是,是正確的。好,謝謝部長。所以部長回答這個原則是正確的。是。\n\n01:00.956 --> 01:19.582\n請問一下部長,農業部為了配合國土計畫法進行全國的農地的盤整希望整頓出74到81萬公頃的農地作為國家糧食的安全農地之用那農地盤整的結果,全國至少有6、7萬公頃的農地遭到佔用\n\n01:20.442 --> 01:47.287\n那違章的建物有違法工廠、有農舍、有餐廳、有廟宇其中非法工廠對農地的衝擊是最大的而國土計畫法即將上路請教部長這些土地違規使用的原則內政部要怎麼去處理那如果是已經在這個法規制定之前就已經存在的內政部要不要協助他們轉型請教部長我想這個細節部分請吳署長來做補充好請署長\n\n01:50.271 --> 02:05.022\n感謝委員其實在非都的部分大概農地違規使用的情形是大概一定有存在啦所以之前在工廠的部分當然有工廠輔導法他還是延續的繼續來使用那寺廟的部分其實現在\n\n02:05.743 --> 02:06.003\n請教一下\n\n02:34.086 --> 02:58.312\n從這些問題來看內政部對於這個土地違規的處理問題其實我想全國有六七萬公頃表示說也沒有很積極在處理才會這違規的土地越來越多那因為部長去年在總統大選的時候我們三組候選人總統候選人都有土地的爭議的問題那其中柯文哲他持分的農地非農用在3月18號已經回復到農用的這個狀態\n\n03:01.733 --> 03:29.412\n請問一下部長這個處理態度是不是應該給予鼓勵請部長回答我想違規使用的部分能夠去把它依法來做這個改正我想這個本來就是應該做的OK好謝謝部長那因為部長也曾經是民意代表啦所以你會不會覺得就是在選舉的時候好像才會被嚴格的檢驗那也就是農地違規的使用的問題才有辦法獲得解決呢\n\n03:30.132 --> 03:30.573\n市長也是民選的嗎?所以也是經過選舉嗎?\n\n03:47.905 --> 04:09.555\n我想這個違規的這個事情其實都是在處理那這一般是屬於地方政府的一個權責不過因為在選舉的時候我們的候選人他因為這個媒體關注所以容易被凸顯出來所以好像要選舉才會這個問題才會被凸顯出來那再請教一下部長平常的時候其實各地方政府也都很努力積極在做處理但是現在還有六七萬公請喔\n\n04:10.455 --> 04:26.806\n請教一下部長總統當選人賴清德的萬里老家的違建問題也被討論了很多我想請教一下部長賴清德的萬里老家符不符合違建的定義這個其實在選舉期間也已經講過很多次了\n\n04:26.906 --> 04:27.426\n所以我一幫政治的違建,這樣算不算?\n\n04:44.459 --> 05:01.524\n我想請教一下部長2003年以前這個賴清的老家其實不是這樣子的是到2003年之後我們依照他當時的航照圖改建成現在這個興建房屋的模樣請問部長同不同意我想這部分請吳署長來做說明感謝委員那其實這一個部分的土地的確就如剛剛部長所講的\n\n05:10.255 --> 05:34.187\n這個其實在臺灣在礦業也好林業也好其實都有這類的問題那所以其實這類的民眾是因為政府的法規土地法規沒有適時的修正讓他導致他無法立法那我想啦依照這個剛剛部長回答的這個國土計畫的土地使用指導原則必須要在既有合法的使用下才能重新辨定剛剛部長說回答正確嘛所以你認為賴清德的老家符合這個原則嗎\n\n05:35.747 --> 05:56.120\n這個部分跟委員報告好這個部分我們跟經濟部地礦中心已經有邀集相關的縣市政府都有開過會那我們預計在這個月底會把整個的檢討原則全部確認清楚那就可以蓋實進行這個邊更邊訂的作用我想請教一下部長所以剛剛請教您的就是賴清德的老家符合這個原則嗎\n\n05:57.301 --> 05:59.563\n我記得署長之前也對賴清德的老家做出解釋他說由於當時的民眾\n\n06:18.880 --> 06:37.319\n未能及時的獲取礦業計畫廢紙的資訊加上法律諮詢服務並未普及所以政府部門也沒有辦法主動的通知及協助民眾辦理合法化的作業後續也沒有適時的檢討相關的法令也沒有通案檢討廢紙後使用地處理機制合理性所以讓問題這個延伸至今所以部長跟署長\n\n06:42.324 --> 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這個處理態度是不是應該給予鼓勵請部長回答我想違規使用的部分能夠去把它依法來做這個改正我想這個本來就是應該做的OK好 謝謝部長那因為部長也曾經是民意代表啦所以你會不會覺得就是在選舉的時候好像才會被嚴格的檢驗那也就是農地違規的使用的問題才有辦法獲得解決呢"},{"start":210.132,"end":210.573,"text":"市長也是民選的嗎?所以也是經過選舉嗎?"},{"start":227.905,"end":249.555,"text":"我想這個違規的這個事情其實都是在處理那這一般是屬於地方政府的一個權責不過因為在選舉的時候我們的候選人他因為這個媒體關注所以容易被凸顯出來所以好像要選舉才會這個問題才會被凸顯出來那再請教一下部長平常的時候其實各地方政府也都很努力積極在做處理但是現在還有六七萬公請喔"},{"start":250.455,"end":266.806,"text":"請教一下部長總統當選人賴清德的萬里老家的違建問題也被討論了很多我想請教一下部長賴清德的萬里老家符不符合違建的定義這個其實在選舉期間也已經講過很多次了"},{"start":266.906,"end":267.426,"text":"所以我一幫政治的違建,這樣算不算?"},{"start":284.459,"end":301.524,"text":"我想請教一下部長2003年以前這個賴清的老家其實不是這樣子的是到2003年之後我們依照他當時的航照圖改建成現在這個興建房屋的模樣請問部長同不同意我想這部分請吳署長來做說明感謝委員那其實這一個部分的土地的確就如剛剛部長所講的"},{"start":310.255,"end":334.187,"text":"這個其實在臺灣在礦業也好林業也好其實都有這類的問題那所以其實這類的民眾是因為政府的法規土地法規沒有適時的修正讓他導致他無法立法那我想啦依照這個剛剛部長回答的這個國土計畫的土地使用指導原則必須要在既有合法的使用下才能重新辨定剛剛部長說回答正確嘛所以你認為賴清德的老家符合這個原則嗎"},{"start":335.747,"end":356.12,"text":"這個部分跟委員報告好 這個部分我們跟經濟部地礦中心已經有邀集相關的縣市政府都有開過會那我們預計在這個月底會把整個的檢討原則全部確認清楚 那就可以蓋實進行這個邊更邊訂的作用我想請教一下部長 所以剛剛請教您的就是賴清德的老家符合這個原則嗎"},{"start":357.301,"end":359.563,"text":"我記得署長之前也對賴清德的老家做出解釋他說由於當時的民眾"},{"start":378.88,"end":397.319,"text":"未能及時的獲取礦業計畫廢紙的資訊加上法律諮詢服務並未普及所以政府部門也沒有辦法主動的通知及協助民眾辦理合法化的作業後續也沒有適時的檢討相關的法令也沒有通案檢討廢紙後使用地處理機制合理性所以讓問題這個延伸至今所以部長跟署長"},{"start":402.324,"end":427.476,"text":"我覺得你這段說法有兩個問題第一個問題就是說2003年的時候賴清德當時是擔任立法委員你覺得他的資訊取得跟他的這個法律知識跟一般人一樣嗎其實不一樣所以你們現在我覺得只是為了要解套所以內政部國土署也居然在國土計畫法要開後門所以我覺得以本席看來其實你這部分其實就是在"},{"start":428.55,"end":452.164,"text":"在為520之後披露。第二個問題就是2003年當時的臺北縣長是蘇貞昌那吳署長是在說當時的臺北縣政府、縣長都沒有辦法主動通知及協助民眾辦理合法化的作業嗎?所以現在需要總統當選人賴清德的政府幫自己解套這樣算不上是利益衝突?需不需要迴避呢?所以另外也請教部長"},{"start":452.824,"end":462.856,"text":"本席看你所提的報告上面有提到國土計畫法上路之後要維護民眾的權益其中第二點有寫到因應礦業、林業等目的地事業計畫廢止或退場經由鄉村地區的整體規劃研擬因地制宜"},{"start":469.043,"end":482.758,"text":"這句話的意思是不是指內政部將通過通案處理的方式以整體性的空間發展計畫幫賴清德老家回敬解套呢?"},{"start":483.579,"end":485.781,"text":"請問您知道嗎?依據經濟部的調查所提供的資料,發現以這樣具有建物的土地面積,你知道現在有多少公頃嗎?"},{"start":504.413,"end":524.29,"text":"三百四幾公頃三百四幾是用這個用地像是有建物的土地面積有三十二公頃也就是這三十二公頃你們都要做這樣的專案通案的處理方式嗎而剛剛那個意思叫做整規相分地區的一個整體規劃那這個也是國土計畫裡面一個非常重要的配套機制"},{"start":524.89,"end":549.869,"text":"我是覺得部長因為賴清德的老家竟然被稱為賴皮寮所以如果內政部要幫賴皮寮的違建解套的話我覺得內政部應該要更名為賴皮部委員並不是這樣子剛剛說得很清楚這是一個全國通案然後原住民還有林務署還有那個委員對不起請千萬不要這樣子貼標籤我們在處理的是全國性的問題好不好"},{"start":558.573,"end":558.813,"text":"請網美會委員質詢"}]}}}}