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00:03:12,511\n我們希望今年底台積電進駐以後沒有多久我們這些橋頭科學園區相關的這些廠商就可以快速的進駐來配合相關台積電的這些半導體產業的進駐所以這一方面這個內政部占了非常重要的角色之外也希望國土署這邊趕快的把這個一之一、一之二、一之三連接到省道的這個計畫趕快跟高雄市政府來做相關的這些規劃來署長\n\n9\n00:03:14,251 --> 00:03:34,610\n其實真的感謝市府這邊其實長期都跟我們有密切的合作那這個案子的確就陳如寧剛剛所看到了其實中間是高速公路那原本這個我們也當時期待是說我在開發的時候能把高速公路一併拓寬這樣才能解決長期南直到岡山之間的塞車問題\n\n10\n00:03:35,791 --> 00:04:04,575\n但是在這過程當中因為高工局是由高工局來辦理所以我們的3個寒凍都是在高速公路橋下的寒凍那因為高工局後來的標案其實非常不順根文報告一直到去年才標出去了那個現在不只寒凍的問題齁寒凍在往昔在往昔才會到省道是是那以後齁就全部塞在這裡阿我們希望高雄以後的半導體產業不要因為半導體產業變成新竹的交通阿\n\n11\n00:04:05,195 --> 00:04:21,512\n所以跟委員報告高速公路的部分因為它會延到大概116年才會開闢完成也就是那個寒凍那你左邊這一邊可以先跟高雄市政府有有這邊都已經有雙方有在合作要來那到底是國土署要做還是高雄市政府要做\n\n12\n00:04:22,173 --> 00:04:38,820\n有一部分是由高雄市政府做：李柏毅市政府要做哪一邊：李柏毅市政府要做哪一邊明確地把這些區域規劃給我：李柏毅市政府要做哪一邊：李柏毅市政府要做哪一邊明確地把這些區域規劃給我：李柏毅市政府要做哪一邊：李柏毅市政府要做哪一邊：李柏毅市政府要做哪一邊：李柏毅市政府要做哪一邊：李柏毅市政府要做哪一邊：李柏毅市政府要做哪一邊：李柏毅市政府要做哪一邊：李柏毅市政府要做哪一邊：李柏\n\n13\n00:04:49,265 --> 00:04:49,425\n李柏毅\n\n14\n00:05:11,217 --> 00:05:19,446\n20多年前那個時候叫做橋頭新世界還沒有提出科學園區這個概念提出來是大概2010年的時候2012年的時候\n\n15\n00:05:22,738 --> 00:05:48,474\n那第二個是禮拜五的時候我會到高雄我會到橋頭的這個科學園區這邊去做視察所以你剛剛關心的這些議題我們也會在那邊一併的做這個討論部長請你把行程給我我希望我也可以參加因為這個產業的發展的需求你的報告裡面有但是我不知道這個報告是什麼時候提出來這什麼時候才開始規劃的包含經濟部跟國科會\n\n16\n00:05:50,175 --> 00:06:13,468\n給你的資料裡面是寫到說到125年新增的產業用地是3311公頃科學工業園區新增用地需求是1000公頃這個是不是每個月都在變動我想這個這個可能齁這個數字已經已經都改變了跟會報其實已經都改變了我都覺得可能不夠捏你看熊本你看熊本你看熊本\n\n17\n00:06:15,329 --> 00:06:27,143\n為什麼快速的會有第二個場出來?我不知道日本的相關的這些非都的或者是這個都市計畫的這些產業跟農地的這些概念的分布是怎樣?我覺得我建議我們國土署這邊\n\n18\n00:06:30,787 --> 00:06:51,412\n跟經濟部跟科學工業園區真的要保持高度的聯繫讓這個鐵衣店等半導體產業布局臺灣生根臺灣的這個理想可以落實來署長根文報告其實我們副院長在院裡面大概副院長或院長都會定期的召開相關的會\n\n19\n00:06:52,472 --> 00:06:55,193\n對於這些晶片的需求是大到我們自己都沒有辦法想像\n\n20\n00:07:11,281 --> 00:07:34,477\n所以這些相關的這些科學產業園區的這些用地的量我想國土署這邊還是要盡量的可以來配合我們產業的需求當然最重要的今天的重點就是到底我們對外說明民眾溝通還有處理這些異議在縣市政府所提出來的這些時間國土署有沒有辦法配合是今天的重點\n\n21\n00:07:35,637 --> 00:08:02,577\n對外說明跟民眾溝通這個是最難處理的事情所有民眾遇到農地所有民眾遇到特登工廠等等的問題我們沒有好好的妥適的幫他們解決的話真的我們這一套會造成非常大的影響所以在這邊也建議我們國土署還是要對於所有的縣市政府的這個對外說明跟民眾溝通所有的案件裡面全部都要拿出來再檢討一次來署長請你做一個回應\n\n22\n00:08:03,657 --> 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