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00:00:55,200\n內政部中央的部分是如何來協助地方來做推動都更因為我自己本身去了解了一下這一部分是不是說中央都請地方來自行來做都市更新的一些處理跟進度跟目標\n\n4\n00:00:58,343 --> 00:01:22,569\n我想這兩個部分,第一個是這個當然是需要中央跟地方一起合作那地方政府因為是在地所以他們也更了解所以這是一部分第二個部分是中央我們透過住都中心在推動公辦的一個這個都更所以這個就是比較會有一些所謂的利用我們國公有的一個土地來做策略性都更\n\n5\n00:01:23,424 --> 00:01:51,401\n好謝謝部長這邊就是要跟部長拜託就是說中央地方要一起合作因為其實都更的部分我們一般民眾的心裡就覺得都更花的時間非常長而且都更成功的機率非常的低所以我這邊是不是大膽跟我們的部長建議一個東西就是說在都更的實施方法裡面有分兩種一種叫做權力變換另一種叫做協議合建那這兩種方式我跟部長簡單報告一下權力變換就是說就是說依照政府中央\n\n6\n00:01:51,781 --> 00:01:51,941\n主席\n\n7\n00:02:10,297 --> 00:02:10,798\n委員會主任\n\n8\n00:02:52,925 --> 00:03:07,939\n根委員報告其實當時應該是這麼說啦因為協議合建過去在不是只有都更在一般的建案也出現所以他會比照的是在跟過去一般在土地的協議合建裡面同等的這個減增的一個標準\n\n9\n00:03:08,851 --> 00:03:30,841\n那因為權力變換的確更困難因為委員也知道它就是一個立體式的一個權力變換所以當時的獨共條約才會特別把它提高那當然過程當中就會產生像委員所講的有些地主就會在這身份中一直希望轉換到一個對他比較有利的這個條件那這個部分會涉及到跟這個財政部這邊他所謂說付認定的\n\n10\n00:03:32,142 --> 00:03:35,464\n對,所以這邊一定要拜託部長,因為如果是都跟實施都非常的順利本席也不會來跟你拜託這件事情\n\n11\n00:03:48,353 --> 00:03:53,658\n因此,現在許多私地主遇到杜庚因此,很多私地主遇到杜庚因此,很多私地主遇到杜庚因此,很多私地主遇到杜庚\n\n12\n00:04:07,290 --> 00:04:08,792\n交通安全基本法有在校園周邊計行車安全道路改善計畫\n\n13\n00:04:24,992 --> 00:04:42,097\n這個計畫當時的經費是50億,它主要是保護學童們在出了學校了以後,它所有周邊的安全。我覺得這對,尤其最近大家知道嘛,這個很多的小朋友都是人民非常重視的一個部分。那請問這50億的部分,現在還剩多少錢可以使用?\n\n14\n00:04:43,581 --> 00:04:51,454\n都分配完了那我請教一下齁我在我查新聞報導裡面好像新北市使用的金額比較相對較低請問有這樣的情況嗎?\n\n15\n00:04:53,613 --> 00:05:20,405\n我們可能要查一下不過有可能有這個狀況那這個最重要就是地方政府要把案子提出來這個要拜託部長因為新北市有400多萬的人口然後當然學生數應該也是全台灣前幾名的那當然新北市政府如果他在申請這些補助案如果經費是少的那其實相對於讓大家會覺得絕大多數的孩童他是沒有申請到這個經費他是沒有受到保護的\n\n16\n00:05:22,306 --> 00:05:38,136\n這個新北市政府要認真一點所以我的意思就是說中央跟地方要合作要去溝通啦因為當然我們需要說全台灣每個地方的小孩都可以照顧到可是要當初的新北市政府他如果在申請的部分我覺得因為我現在是立法委員我也要拜託部長說因為中央\n\n17\n00:05:38,536 --> 00:06:01,768\n中央應該要跟新北市政府來協調說怎麼樣去申請這個東西會是CP值我個人感覺是CP值最高的而不是說等到未來如果說因為我這邊有做一個統計表其實在新北市尤其在中和我的選區其實兒童在下班下學或是上課途中受傷的機率還是很高的所以我說如果未來如果有機會的話\n\n18\n00:06:02,768 --> 00:06:16,763\n是不是我認為各個縣市都要一定的比例去使用這50億的經費會比較合理委員你可能誤解了這個比較重要的是地方政府要把案子提出來地方政府如果不把案子提出來的話中央政府不可能去幫他做規劃的\n\n19\n00:06:18,084 --> 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因此,很多私地主遇到杜庚\n交通安全基本法有在校園周邊計行車安全道路改善計畫\n這個計畫當時的經費是50億,它主要是保護學童們在出了學校了以後,它所有周邊的安全。我覺得這對,尤其最近大家知道嘛,這個很多的小朋友都是人民非常重視的一個部分。那請問這50億的部分,現在還剩多少錢可以使用?\n都分配完了那我請教一下齁我在我查新聞報導裡面好像新北市使用的金額比較相對較低請問有這樣的情況嗎?\n我們可能要查一下不過有可能有這個狀況那這個最重要就是地方政府要把案子提出來這個要拜託部長因為新北市有400多萬的人口然後當然學生數應該也是全台灣前幾名的那當然新北市政府如果他在申請這些補助案如果經費是少的那其實相對於讓大家會覺得絕大多數的孩童他是沒有申請到這個經費他是沒有受到保護的\n這個新北市政府要認真一點所以我的意思就是說中央跟地方要合作要去溝通啦因為當然我們需要說全台灣每個地方的小孩都可以照顧到可是要當初的新北市政府他如果在申請的部分我覺得因為我現在是立法委員我也要拜託部長說因為中央\n中央應該要跟新北市政府來協調說怎麼樣去申請這個東西會是CP值我個人感覺是CP值最高的而不是說等到未來如果說因為我這邊有做一個統計表其實在新北市尤其在中和我的選區其實兒童在下班下學或是上課途中受傷的機率還是很高的所以我說如果未來如果有機會的話\n是不是我認為各個縣市都要一定的比例去使用這50億的經費會比較合理委員你可能誤解了這個比較重要的是地方政府要把案子提出來地方政府如果不把案子提出來的話中央政府不可能去幫他做規劃的\n所以是不是中央跟地方的溝通上是不是有出了什麼樣的問題因為我想不應該有問題因為新北市是直轄市而且新北市對相關的一個政策應該非常的了解那第二個是中央的經費沒有問題過去50億那未來是4年400億一年有100億的經費所以錢都不是問題那我個人在去年的時候也到新北市許多的一個\n我們希望能夠多提一點\n還有一個是如果是在交通部所列管的這些重點的危險路口的一個改善的話那個中央是百分之百補助所以錢不是問題所以也請委員這邊可以跟新北市政府建議他們能夠這個多多的提案我們會全力來支持好謝謝部長那部長的意思是說未來每年當然都會有關於這個行人\n這部分我也會跟中央地方一起來合作因為就是比較擔心說新北市的申請的這個預算是比較低的那所有小朋友而且因為我本身的學習在中和所以中和比較特別啊\n謝謝張智倫委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.695 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