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00:01:04,867\n民間投資公建財政部看好連四年破1800億這個台灣儲蓄超多的那再看你們提供的相關的資料各個縣市的各個地方政府辦理民間參與公共建設的案件裡頭我們看到這些案子裡頭因為我們是來自金門離島所以我們就比較離島發現澎湖縣也有一個案子\n\n3\n00:01:06,488 --> 00:01:34,720\n但是金門沒有金門最近的一次是在102年已經10幾年前了10幾年前102年11年前你看我們金門之前曾經提過一些案子裡頭198年100年100年102年那這三年都也有相關的單位提出相關的這個促參案但是都沒有辦法通過有提出什麼\n\n4\n00:01:35,780 --> 00:01:59,697\n民間自體BOT金沙西苑當地的這要活化當地的土地什麼天然廠區的這些都沒有辦法通過110年跟111年都有提出來那這些113年3月公告截止的這些這個您有瞭解為什麼沒有辦法呢沒有原因是什麼\n\n5\n00:02:02,029 --> 00:02:22,606\n這個個案的部分我大概不太知道就是說金門縣這個BOT案為什麼沒有能夠順利的簽約嘛那我想這個部分可能要再了解一下原因這是民間自提的就是說像這個金門縣這個下面這個金沙鎮的應該是我們政府希望大家來做促成但是\n\n6\n00:02:23,587 --> 00:02:33,533\n但是是不是整體的政策沒有對我們金門比較有利?雖然我們金門是比較偏遠但是連澎湖都有嘛那是不是在政策方面啊或者是你們幫我研究一下這個原因好嗎?跟委員報告我們不會因為金門而有不同的待遇其實我們更鼓勵\n\n7\n00:02:42,279 --> 00:02:52,752\n我們金門來辦理畜產那比如說在113年的時候我們已經合併補助金門縣金湖鎮的廣間庭民間自體BOT案的前置作業168萬那個是原來前置作業\n\n8\n00:02:58,158 --> 00:03:26,216\n因為我們縣政府本來我們這個前瞻計劃是有申請到大概十幾億的這個停車場那因為地方現在認為我們的金門縣政府認為現在我們金門財政比較困難那地方還有一些自籌款覺得這個自籌款好幾億對金門縣政府的財政可能會有影響所以說把原來前瞻計劃的錢就退回去就是說不要用前瞻計劃來做這件事情那希望朝著民間參與投資來這個部分那這個部分是不是到時候也可以來協助我們金門縣政府\n\n9\n00:03:26,656 --> 00:03:31,981\n各位報告確實是金門縣政府他覺得應該減輕地方政府財務負擔所以他走促餐的模式走BOT案那所以在財政部的部分能夠協助第一個就是對於前置規劃前置作業的經費我們給予補助讓地方政府可以有經費去做前面的政策公告出省還有徵求相關的民間申請人等等去做前置作業的地方我們給他補助\n\n10\n00:03:51,317 --> 00:04:16,324\n第2個就是說前置作業做得完備的話你招到好的廠商來做的話那你這個出差案才能夠成功能夠成功的簽約然後順利的推動所以在這個前面的前置作業這個部分財政部會去協助協助相關文件的一些看看有沒有可以提供意見讓我們的文件跟招商的可能性更高那這個部分財政部可以主動來做協助來協助我們金門縣政府那另外對於招商成功這個部分財政部有一個\n\n11\n00:04:21,045 --> 00:04:32,736\n知訊系統IMAC這個部分那我們也是透過這個部分讓大家知道商機在哪裡讓廠商知道他的投資的案源可以在哪裡就讓我們將來金門縣政府家未來可以的話我們也會讓他進入招商大會裡面來\n\n12\n00:04:36,758 --> 00:04:46,929\n做說明然後能夠讓廠商可以知道這個案源我想這個部分財政部都可以協助從前置作業的規劃一些的文件的一些提供意見還有經費的補助以及到後續我們納入招商大會來希望能夠有更多的廠商知道有這麼好的一個案子來投資\n\n13\n00:04:54,497 --> 00:04:54,677\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n14\n00:05:12,623 --> 00:05:12,643\n閱讀者們﹚\n\n15\n00:05:32,577 --> 00:05:58,973\n也是有這個案例成功案例有這樣的案子可能這一方面也麻煩你們跟教育部就針對金門大學要蓋這個學生書的這個部分也去做一點研究看是不是這樣讓我們金門大學的來我們這邊讀書來到金門讀書的學子可以比較很快的有這個數字還不會很多事情都要拖很久政府如果預算各方面地方財政各方面比較沒那麼以前那麼充裕的時候這個有關教育部金門大學對對對如果金門大學我們可以鼓勵金門大學去走\n\n16\n00:06:31,017 --> 00:06:34,025\n本國銀行大概就這7家那這7家裡頭\n\n17\n00:06:36,213 --> 00:07:01,944\n最近我們地方的這個很多的商家和業者都反映就是說金融的民間企業要做金融的貸款很多銀行都不願意放貸就是幾乎很多行業都反映長久以來都一直是這樣子所以很多這個包括比如說拿到政府工程的或者是做一些新建投資建設的大概很多人就變成金門的地下金融就有點長盛\n\n18\n00:07:02,844 --> 00:07:05,105\nbicylsonjohnson\n\n19\n00:07:23,072 --> 00:07:52,012\n這些公股銀行就是民營的我們就先不管台灣銀行、土地銀行、兆豐銀行、台灣中小企這些泛公股銀行他們是不是就沒有什麼業績的壓力我看台灣的銀行一般來講都比較在台灣本島的銀行感覺上都對這個做業務比較積極那會不會是因為這些公股是公股銀行那也許是公務員這種就比較趨向保守所以讓整個金門地區的這個金融活水非常的不昌盛\n\n20\n00:07:52,873 --> 00:07:55,294\n所以這個這個您有瞭解嗎是跟委員說明我們供股行庫在那裡有五間的分行就是要本本著這個有關這個公平代課還有金融友善服務我們金門當地的一個鄉親本來就應該要這樣做\n\n21\n00:08:09,182 --> 00:08:37,418\n那在貸放裡面當然他要符合有關金管會還有銀行公會的相關的受信的原則還有5P的原則這個來做那至於我們這些銀行在金門地區為什麼就是說辦理的一個情形怎麼樣我想我們可以在會後再做了解然後為什麼讓金門的鄉親們覺得在做這個部分沒有得到比較好的服務我想我們這個可以再來做進一步的了解多少存款我們當然知道我們金門的整個存款也是很多\n\n22\n00:08:38,779 --> 00:09:06,767\n之前大概民間就已經有一千多億了那是不是存款很多那如果存款很多放款少照說銀行不容易獲利那銀行的這個積極度是不是不夠因為各行各業都有在反映所以請你會後跟我們提供這些相關的資料好我們來跟他們了解他的獲利表現經營績效各種這個存放款這種大概這種比例是多少這些相關的資料讓我們來知道說怎麼樣協助我們地區不管是政府\n\n23\n00:09:26,584 --> 00:09:26,885\n教育部\n\n24\n00:09:56,384 --> 00:09:56,524\n陳玉珍委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8160\t10201\t主席好我們請部長喔有請庄部長委員好部長早齁這個你們今天提出來這個解凍案的書面報告第一頁裡頭齁有關這個我們委員會凍結貴部的這個促參業務下面的促進民間參與公共建設業務的這個十分之一齁要提出報告我們才會動之嘛齁才會讓你們動之那我們看到民間的相關的這個報導有說\n38152\t64867\t民間投資公建財政部看好連四年破1800億這個台灣儲蓄超多的那再看你們提供的相關的資料各個縣市的各個地方政府辦理民間參與公共建設的案件裡頭我們看到這些案子裡頭因為我們是來自金門離島所以我們就比較離島發現澎湖縣也有一個案子\n66488\t94720\t但是金門沒有金門最近的一次是在102年已經10幾年前了10幾年前102年11年前你看我們金門之前曾經提過一些案子裡頭198年100年100年102年那這三年都也有相關的單位提出相關的這個促參案但是都沒有辦法通過有提出什麼\n95780\t119697\t民間自體BOT金沙西苑當地的這要活化當地的土地什麼天然廠區的這些都沒有辦法通過110年跟111年都有提出來那這些113年3月公告截止的這些這個您有瞭解為什麼沒有辦法呢沒有原因是什麼\n122029\t142606\t這個個案的部分我大概不太知道就是說金門縣這個BOT案為什麼沒有能夠順利的簽約嘛那我想這個部分可能要再了解一下原因這是民間自提的就是說像這個金門縣這個下面這個金沙鎮的應該是我們政府希望大家來做促成但是\n143587\t153533\t但是是不是整體的政策沒有對我們金門比較有利?雖然我們金門是比較偏遠但是連澎湖都有嘛那是不是在政策方面啊或者是你們幫我研究一下這個原因好嗎?跟委員報告我們不會因為金門而有不同的待遇其實我們更鼓勵\n162279\t172752\t我們金門來辦理畜產那比如說在113年的時候我們已經合併補助金門縣金湖鎮的廣間庭民間自體BOT案的前置作業168萬那個是原來前置作業\n178158\t206216\t因為我們縣政府本來我們這個前瞻計劃是有申請到大概十幾億的這個停車場那因為地方現在認為我們的金門縣政府認為現在我們金門財政比較困難那地方還有一些自籌款覺得這個自籌款好幾億對金門縣政府的財政可能會有影響所以說把原來前瞻計劃的錢就退回去就是說不要用前瞻計劃來做這件事情那希望朝著民間參與投資來這個部分那這個部分是不是到時候也可以來協助我們金門縣政府\n206656\t211981\t各位報告確實是金門縣政府他覺得應該減輕地方政府財務負擔所以他走促餐的模式走BOT案那所以在財政部的部分能夠協助第一個就是對於前置規劃前置作業的經費我們給予補助讓地方政府可以有經費去做前面的政策公告出省還有徵求相關的民間申請人等等去做前置作業的地方我們給他補助\n231317\t256324\t第2個就是說前置作業做得完備的話你招到好的廠商來做的話那你這個出差案才能夠成功能夠成功的簽約然後順利的推動所以在這個前面的前置作業這個部分財政部會去協助協助相關文件的一些看看有沒有可以提供意見讓我們的文件跟招商的可能性更高那這個部分財政部可以主動來做協助來協助我們金門縣政府那另外對於招商成功這個部分財政部有一個\n261045\t272736\t知訊系統IMAC這個部分那我們也是透過這個部分讓大家知道商機在哪裡讓廠商知道他的投資的案源可以在哪裡就讓我們將來金門縣政府家未來可以的話我們也會讓他進入招商大會裡面來\n276758\t286929\t做說明然後能夠讓廠商可以知道這個案源我想這個部分財政部都可以協助從前置作業的規劃一些的文件的一些提供意見還有經費的補助以及到後續我們納入招商大會來希望能夠有更多的廠商知道有這麼好的一個案子來投資\n294497\t294677\t新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n312623\t312643\t閱讀者們﹚\n332577\t358973\t也是有這個案例成功案例有這樣的案子可能這一方面也麻煩你們跟教育部就針對金門大學要蓋這個學生書的這個部分也去做一點研究看是不是這樣讓我們金門大學的來我們這邊讀書來到金門讀書的學子可以比較很快的有這個數字還不會很多事情都要拖很久政府如果預算各方面地方財政各方面比較沒那麼以前那麼充裕的時候這個有關教育部金門大學對對對如果金門大學我們可以鼓勵金門大學去走\n362295\t390776\t​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n391017\t394025\t本國銀行大概就這7家那這7家裡頭\n396213\t421944\t最近我們地方的這個很多的商家和業者都反映就是說金融的民間企業要做金融的貸款很多銀行都不願意放貸就是幾乎很多行業都反映長久以來都一直是這樣子所以很多這個包括比如說拿到政府工程的或者是做一些新建投資建設的大概很多人就變成金門的地下金融就有點長盛\n422844\t425105\tbicylson johnson\n443072\t472012\t這些公股銀行就是民營的我們就先不管台灣銀行、土地銀行、兆豐銀行、台灣中小企這些泛公股銀行他們是不是就沒有什麼業績的壓力我看台灣的銀行一般來講都比較在台灣本島的銀行感覺上都對這個做業務比較積極那會不會是因為這些公股是公股銀行那也許是公務員這種就比較趨向保守所以讓整個金門地區的這個金融活水非常的不昌盛\n472873\t475294\t所以這個這個您有瞭解嗎是跟委員說明我們供股行庫在那裡有五間的分行就是要本本著這個有關這個公平代課還有金融友善服務我們金門當地的一個鄉親本來就應該要這樣做\n489182\t517418\t那在貸放裡面當然他要符合有關金管會還有銀行公會的相關的受信的原則還有5P的原則這個來做那至於我們這些銀行在金門地區為什麼就是說辦理的一個情形怎麼樣我想我們可以在會後再做了解然後為什麼讓金門的鄉親們覺得在做這個部分沒有得到比較好的服務我想我們這個可以再來做進一步的了解多少存款我們當然知道我們金門的整個存款也是很多\n518779\t546767\t之前大概民間就已經有一千多億了那是不是存款很多那如果存款很多放款少照說銀行不容易獲利那銀行的這個積極度是不是不夠因為各行各業都有在反映所以請你會後跟我們提供這些相關的資料好我們來跟他們了解他的獲利表現經營績效各種這個存放款這種大概這種比例是多少這些相關的資料讓我們來知道說怎麼樣協助我們地區不管是政府\n547227\t566084\t​​​​​​​​​​​​\n566584\t566885\t教育部\n596384\t596524\t陳玉珍委員\n","txt":"主席好我們請部長喔有請庄部長委員好部長早齁這個你們今天提出來這個解凍案的書面報告第一頁裡頭齁有關這個我們委員會凍結貴部的這個促參業務下面的促進民間參與公共建設業務的這個十分之一齁要提出報告我們才會動之嘛齁才會讓你們動之那我們看到民間的相關的這個報導有說\n民間投資公建財政部看好連四年破1800億這個台灣儲蓄超多的那再看你們提供的相關的資料各個縣市的各個地方政府辦理民間參與公共建設的案件裡頭我們看到這些案子裡頭因為我們是來自金門離島所以我們就比較離島發現澎湖縣也有一個案子\n但是金門沒有金門最近的一次是在102年已經10幾年前了10幾年前102年11年前你看我們金門之前曾經提過一些案子裡頭198年100年100年102年那這三年都也有相關的單位提出相關的這個促參案但是都沒有辦法通過有提出什麼\n民間自體BOT金沙西苑當地的這要活化當地的土地什麼天然廠區的這些都沒有辦法通過110年跟111年都有提出來那這些113年3月公告截止的這些這個您有瞭解為什麼沒有辦法呢沒有原因是什麼\n這個個案的部分我大概不太知道就是說金門縣這個BOT案為什麼沒有能夠順利的簽約嘛那我想這個部分可能要再了解一下原因這是民間自提的就是說像這個金門縣這個下面這個金沙鎮的應該是我們政府希望大家來做促成但是\n但是是不是整體的政策沒有對我們金門比較有利?雖然我們金門是比較偏遠但是連澎湖都有嘛那是不是在政策方面啊或者是你們幫我研究一下這個原因好嗎?跟委員報告我們不會因為金門而有不同的待遇其實我們更鼓勵\n我們金門來辦理畜產那比如說在113年的時候我們已經合併補助金門縣金湖鎮的廣間庭民間自體BOT案的前置作業168萬那個是原來前置作業\n因為我們縣政府本來我們這個前瞻計劃是有申請到大概十幾億的這個停車場那因為地方現在認為我們的金門縣政府認為現在我們金門財政比較困難那地方還有一些自籌款覺得這個自籌款好幾億對金門縣政府的財政可能會有影響所以說把原來前瞻計劃的錢就退回去就是說不要用前瞻計劃來做這件事情那希望朝著民間參與投資來這個部分那這個部分是不是到時候也可以來協助我們金門縣政府\n各位報告確實是金門縣政府他覺得應該減輕地方政府財務負擔所以他走促餐的模式走BOT案那所以在財政部的部分能夠協助第一個就是對於前置規劃前置作業的經費我們給予補助讓地方政府可以有經費去做前面的政策公告出省還有徵求相關的民間申請人等等去做前置作業的地方我們給他補助\n第2個就是說前置作業做得完備的話你招到好的廠商來做的話那你這個出差案才能夠成功能夠成功的簽約然後順利的推動所以在這個前面的前置作業這個部分財政部會去協助協助相關文件的一些看看有沒有可以提供意見讓我們的文件跟招商的可能性更高那這個部分財政部可以主動來做協助來協助我們金門縣政府那另外對於招商成功這個部分財政部有一個\n知訊系統IMAC這個部分那我們也是透過這個部分讓大家知道商機在哪裡讓廠商知道他的投資的案源可以在哪裡就讓我們將來金門縣政府家未來可以的話我們也會讓他進入招商大會裡面來\n做說明然後能夠讓廠商可以知道這個案源我想這個部分財政部都可以協助從前置作業的規劃一些的文件的一些提供意見還有經費的補助以及到後續我們納入招商大會來希望能夠有更多的廠商知道有這麼好的一個案子來投資\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n閱讀者們﹚\n也是有這個案例成功案例有這樣的案子可能這一方面也麻煩你們跟教育部就針對金門大學要蓋這個學生書的這個部分也去做一點研究看是不是這樣讓我們金門大學的來我們這邊讀書來到金門讀書的學子可以比較很快的有這個數字還不會很多事情都要拖很久政府如果預算各方面地方財政各方面比較沒那麼以前那麼充裕的時候這個有關教育部金門大學對對對如果金門大學我們可以鼓勵金門大學去走\n​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n本國銀行大概就這7家那這7家裡頭\n最近我們地方的這個很多的商家和業者都反映就是說金融的民間企業要做金融的貸款很多銀行都不願意放貸就是幾乎很多行業都反映長久以來都一直是這樣子所以很多這個包括比如說拿到政府工程的或者是做一些新建投資建設的大概很多人就變成金門的地下金融就有點長盛\nbicylson johnson\n這些公股銀行就是民營的我們就先不管台灣銀行、土地銀行、兆豐銀行、台灣中小企這些泛公股銀行他們是不是就沒有什麼業績的壓力我看台灣的銀行一般來講都比較在台灣本島的銀行感覺上都對這個做業務比較積極那會不會是因為這些公股是公股銀行那也許是公務員這種就比較趨向保守所以讓整個金門地區的這個金融活水非常的不昌盛\n所以這個這個您有瞭解嗎是跟委員說明我們供股行庫在那裡有五間的分行就是要本本著這個有關這個公平代課還有金融友善服務我們金門當地的一個鄉親本來就應該要這樣做\n那在貸放裡面當然他要符合有關金管會還有銀行公會的相關的受信的原則還有5P的原則這個來做那至於我們這些銀行在金門地區為什麼就是說辦理的一個情形怎麼樣我想我們可以在會後再做了解然後為什麼讓金門的鄉親們覺得在做這個部分沒有得到比較好的服務我想我們這個可以再來做進一步的了解多少存款我們當然知道我們金門的整個存款也是很多\n之前大概民間就已經有一千多億了那是不是存款很多那如果存款很多放款少照說銀行不容易獲利那銀行的這個積極度是不是不夠因為各行各業都有在反映所以請你會後跟我們提供這些相關的資料好我們來跟他們了解他的獲利表現經營績效各種這個存放款這種大概這種比例是多少這些相關的資料讓我們來知道說怎麼樣協助我們地區不管是政府\n​​​​​​​​​​​​\n教育部\n陳玉珍委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.160 --> 00:10.201\n主席好我們請部長喔有請庄部長委員好部長早齁這個你們今天提出來這個解凍案的書面報告第一頁裡頭齁有關這個我們委員會凍結貴部的這個促參業務下面的促進民間參與公共建設業務的這個十分之一齁要提出報告我們才會動之嘛齁才會讓你們動之那我們看到民間的相關的這個報導有說\n\n00:38.152 --> 01:04.867\n民間投資公建財政部看好連四年破1800億這個台灣儲蓄超多的那再看你們提供的相關的資料各個縣市的各個地方政府辦理民間參與公共建設的案件裡頭我們看到這些案子裡頭因為我們是來自金門離島所以我們就比較離島發現澎湖縣也有一個案子\n\n01:06.488 --> 01:34.720\n但是金門沒有金門最近的一次是在102年已經10幾年前了10幾年前102年11年前你看我們金門之前曾經提過一些案子裡頭198年100年100年102年那這三年都也有相關的單位提出相關的這個促參案但是都沒有辦法通過有提出什麼\n\n01:35.780 --> 01:59.697\n民間自體BOT金沙西苑當地的這要活化當地的土地什麼天然廠區的這些都沒有辦法通過110年跟111年都有提出來那這些113年3月公告截止的這些這個您有瞭解為什麼沒有辦法呢沒有原因是什麼\n\n02:02.029 --> 02:22.606\n這個個案的部分我大概不太知道就是說金門縣這個BOT案為什麼沒有能夠順利的簽約嘛那我想這個部分可能要再了解一下原因這是民間自提的就是說像這個金門縣這個下面這個金沙鎮的應該是我們政府希望大家來做促成但是\n\n02:23.587 --> 02:33.533\n但是是不是整體的政策沒有對我們金門比較有利?雖然我們金門是比較偏遠但是連澎湖都有嘛那是不是在政策方面啊或者是你們幫我研究一下這個原因好嗎?跟委員報告我們不會因為金門而有不同的待遇其實我們更鼓勵\n\n02:42.279 --> 02:52.752\n我們金門來辦理畜產那比如說在113年的時候我們已經合併補助金門縣金湖鎮的廣間庭民間自體BOT案的前置作業168萬那個是原來前置作業\n\n02:58.158 --> 03:26.216\n因為我們縣政府本來我們這個前瞻計劃是有申請到大概十幾億的這個停車場那因為地方現在認為我們的金門縣政府認為現在我們金門財政比較困難那地方還有一些自籌款覺得這個自籌款好幾億對金門縣政府的財政可能會有影響所以說把原來前瞻計劃的錢就退回去就是說不要用前瞻計劃來做這件事情那希望朝著民間參與投資來這個部分那這個部分是不是到時候也可以來協助我們金門縣政府\n\n03:26.656 --> 03:31.981\n各位報告確實是金門縣政府他覺得應該減輕地方政府財務負擔所以他走促餐的模式走BOT案那所以在財政部的部分能夠協助第一個就是對於前置規劃前置作業的經費我們給予補助讓地方政府可以有經費去做前面的政策公告出省還有徵求相關的民間申請人等等去做前置作業的地方我們給他補助\n\n03:51.317 --> 04:16.324\n第2個就是說前置作業做得完備的話你招到好的廠商來做的話那你這個出差案才能夠成功能夠成功的簽約然後順利的推動所以在這個前面的前置作業這個部分財政部會去協助協助相關文件的一些看看有沒有可以提供意見讓我們的文件跟招商的可能性更高那這個部分財政部可以主動來做協助來協助我們金門縣政府那另外對於招商成功這個部分財政部有一個\n\n04:21.045 --> 04:32.736\n知訊系統IMAC這個部分那我們也是透過這個部分讓大家知道商機在哪裡讓廠商知道他的投資的案源可以在哪裡就讓我們將來金門縣政府家未來可以的話我們也會讓他進入招商大會裡面來\n\n04:36.758 --> 04:46.929\n做說明然後能夠讓廠商可以知道這個案源我想這個部分財政部都可以協助從前置作業的規劃一些的文件的一些提供意見還有經費的補助以及到後續我們納入招商大會來希望能夠有更多的廠商知道有這麼好的一個案子來投資\n\n04:54.497 --> 04:54.677\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n05:12.623 --> 05:12.643\n閱讀者們﹚\n\n05:32.577 --> 05:58.973\n也是有這個案例成功案例有這樣的案子可能這一方面也麻煩你們跟教育部就針對金門大學要蓋這個學生書的這個部分也去做一點研究看是不是這樣讓我們金門大學的來我們這邊讀書來到金門讀書的學子可以比較很快的有這個數字還不會很多事情都要拖很久政府如果預算各方面地方財政各方面比較沒那麼以前那麼充裕的時候這個有關教育部金門大學對對對如果金門大學我們可以鼓勵金門大學去走\n\n06:31.017 --> 06:34.025\n本國銀行大概就這7家那這7家裡頭\n\n06:36.213 --> 07:01.944\n最近我們地方的這個很多的商家和業者都反映就是說金融的民間企業要做金融的貸款很多銀行都不願意放貸就是幾乎很多行業都反映長久以來都一直是這樣子所以很多這個包括比如說拿到政府工程的或者是做一些新建投資建設的大概很多人就變成金門的地下金融就有點長盛\n\n07:02.844 --> 07:05.105\nbicylsonjohnson\n\n07:23.072 --> 07:52.012\n這些公股銀行就是民營的我們就先不管台灣銀行、土地銀行、兆豐銀行、台灣中小企這些泛公股銀行他們是不是就沒有什麼業績的壓力我看台灣的銀行一般來講都比較在台灣本島的銀行感覺上都對這個做業務比較積極那會不會是因為這些公股是公股銀行那也許是公務員這種就比較趨向保守所以讓整個金門地區的這個金融活水非常的不昌盛\n\n07:52.873 --> 07:55.294\n所以這個這個您有瞭解嗎是跟委員說明我們供股行庫在那裡有五間的分行就是要本本著這個有關這個公平代課還有金融友善服務我們金門當地的一個鄉親本來就應該要這樣做\n\n08:09.182 --> 08:37.418\n那在貸放裡面當然他要符合有關金管會還有銀行公會的相關的受信的原則還有5P的原則這個來做那至於我們這些銀行在金門地區為什麼就是說辦理的一個情形怎麼樣我想我們可以在會後再做了解然後為什麼讓金門的鄉親們覺得在做這個部分沒有得到比較好的服務我想我們這個可以再來做進一步的了解多少存款我們當然知道我們金門的整個存款也是很多\n\n08:38.779 --> 09:06.767\n之前大概民間就已經有一千多億了那是不是存款很多那如果存款很多放款少照說銀行不容易獲利那銀行的這個積極度是不是不夠因為各行各業都有在反映所以請你會後跟我們提供這些相關的資料好我們來跟他們了解他的獲利表現經營績效各種這個存放款這種大概這種比例是多少這些相關的資料讓我們來知道說怎麼樣協助我們地區不管是政府\n\n09:26.584 --> 09:26.885\n教育部\n\n09:56.384 --> 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