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00:01:01,285\n我想在經貿談判上面其實我們在行政院裡面有一個經貿談判辦公室那我們都是跟隨著就是經貿辦去規劃包含台美的、台歐盟的、台英的等等那透過像數位經濟論壇等等的方式去盡快的促進數位簽章的這個電子的對接那這部分我們民主司如果需要細節的話可以來進行說明\n\n4\n00:01:02,113 --> 00:01:02,133\n〔廣告〕\n\n5\n00:01:29,684 --> 00:01:49,036\n有關於外交部的業務的辦理他們都持反對的態度那我想請問一下部長要怎麼溝通外交部這個之前業務委員提到就是公告排除的部分有一些是導入技術方案他比方現在在共同供應契約或未來雲市級的政府管等等就可以技術上解決的那這一部分我想我們年底前這個素材署會盤點一次\n\n6\n00:01:50,097 --> 00:02:05,934\n﹏相關的政府機關可以計數就解決的﹏有一些可能是因為他處理到密件或之類﹏這個必須要在法規或規程上面來進行調整。那這部分我們也會再做第二波的盤點來全力協助他們能夠導入電子文件跟數位簽章。那電子文件跟數位簽章\n\n7\n00:02:07,375 --> 00:02:22,268\nOK外交部他是直接公告阿就是說辦理外交公務及普通護照一般民眾的普通護照合、換、補發、加簽、修正皆排除在電子簽章法那我想請問一下像這樣子已經是\n\n8\n00:02:38,235 --> 00:02:54,334\n對我想我們就是現在就是委員提到了我們就會盡快的去跟外交部這應該是領事領悟的相關的領悟局去了解到他們是目前是因為技術或經費的原因呢還是因為他們要修改相關的法令那我們第一時間了解到之後也會給委員一個書面的報告\n\n9\n00:02:55,287 --> 00:03:18,622\n那我還是期待就是在外交部也是大部那在這基本的這種換發護照的部分他不是涉及到特別的機密但他也是個人的隱私權的這個所謂的資安問題那如果說連外交部都沒有信心的話那我相信數位發展不要推動這個電子簽章法跟數位簽章是非常辛苦的\n\n10\n00:03:19,142 --> 00:03:29,929\n那我想持續接著就叫那以外交部為例的話那中央跟地方機關目前有哪些單位是直接來表態這個排除適用在電子簽章法的項目\n\n11\n00:04:07,824 --> 00:04:12,306\n議員葛如鈞在過去經濟部曾經會診的檔案因為我們這些業務是從經濟部商業室這邊過來所以盤點完之後他其實他不是算在排除電子簽章試用的項目所以剛剛講的有26個中央單位的部分其實現在只有24個中央單位那地方政府的部分就剛剛跟委員做報告\n\n12\n00:04:46,701 --> 00:05:13,939\n．此案其實我們電子簽章法三讀．中央地方大家一起往數位化去推動．就可以降下來．所以以上做這個．那我直接接著就講好了就是說．那像你剛才所提到的那麼多的單位．那也都是大的單位．大的部會．直接反映是要排除適用電子簽章法．哪些的單位他們直接統一說在現在．就直接配合或今年年底就直接配合．我們在行政院的開會的時候．其實這個行政院政委有政委這種協調會議．\n\n13\n00:05:15,260 --> 00:05:41,032\n所以才會有一個三年的緩衝時間。阿像在那個……哪些單位已經第一時間同意配合?第一時間同意的部分……哪一個項目?那所以……那所以我還是要建議阿就是說,數位發展部的話大家是期待甚深阿因為居然跟NCC當初業務切開了之後那是在打油門阿所以說我們在打東阿那所以說如果像現在來講我們\n\n14\n00:05:42,333 --> 00:06:07,059\n提到了包括今天的資料報告也有司法院的部分他們也提到他們也希望排除試用那外交部也提到排除試用但是再問哪些單位在第一時間都同意說要來試用主動積極來配合但是沒有辦法直接列舉到就是重要的項目的時候那我本期還是建議啊就是還是要積極的去溝通因為3年的時間很快啊那\n\n15\n00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:33,981\n提了3年,3年在花時間溝通一個立委的任期也才4年那部會首長的任期短則長則多少年我們不知道但是行政院如果說在政務委員他在指導協調的時候這個部分都沒有辦法給出肯定答案像現在也沒有辦法回出哪一個可以拿來說嘴的就是哪一個項目可以直接來適用那我還是會建議那這還是要積極溝通那另外司法院的部分你們要怎麼溝通\n\n16\n00:06:34,782 --> 00:06:54,125\n欸可是我因為因為當法官也有做說明我先一分鐘補充說剛剛可能你用15秒檢查一下沒有那麼多一分鐘欸要去開會是科幣公欸這個呃行政院環保署他就在表達說一般程序將來會做這個不排除就不再排除的適用可能性齁那國那個教育部的國教署\n\n17\n00:06:54,505 --> 00:07:21,157\n那他會針對目前排除事務做臨選作業規範叫做檢討阿從貿易局,現在有很多貿易署他現在有說會對法規的部分來修改公告所以在會上這些都有具體表達會來積極推動的我還是坦白講就是說這些都是在討論啦那所以說回答的部分未來如果說配合辦理有沒有哪個業務是會拿來做一個已經率先來適用的\n\n18\n00:07:21,877 --> 00:07:48,477\n現在考試院的證書我們參加國家考試時證書都是要用紙本他現在用這個大概都電子化所以我們在這個開所以這個是電子數位簽章還是電子簽章還是電子簽名電子文件我還是要提一下就是說這個部分的進度其實是牛步啊那因為只是一個證書的部分的話我相信這不是說法很不太主要要推出的事項\n\n19\n00:07:49,378 --> 00:08:08,066\n那最後的話我是要接著問一下部長就是在剛才很多的我有提到美國將要禁止TikTok那台灣要跟進那數位發展部回應了那我想問一下目前來講跟TikTok的對就是連接的這個平台溝通的管道是否已經建立了\n\n20\n00:08:08,266 --> 00:08:31,819\n是的,我們之前就有約TikTok直接來台灣,那是他們的新加坡的那一個公司的人過來,所以目前是已經有這個直接管道,我們也要求說各個執法機關如果有像剛剛提到中選會等等相關的需求的話,不需要不要再透過中間人,是直接對他們,但當然這個並不跟他們是危害產品,這個還是同時發生的事情,所以我們資安法這邊對危害產品的定義也是送到行政院。\n\n21\n00:08:32,358 --> 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