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00:02:36,577\n吳釗燮報告業務概況：林憶君\n\n9\n00:03:06,517 --> 00:03:09,558\n相對的部長你也知道其實美國人的盟友其實對過去對川普總是以利益優先的商人治國方式是很擔心的這樣你認為呢\n\n10\n00:03:37,239 --> 00:03:42,606\n謝謝委員提到這個問題其實川普之前就擔任過美國的總統1997年到2021年\n\n11\n00:03:51,698 --> 00:04:06,870\n那在他的那個總統的任期之內我們看到了我們台灣跟美國之間的關係那個快速發展的那個四年所以他如果說再一次擔任美國總統的話我不預見說我們跟美國的關係會有任何的衝擊\n\n12\n00:04:08,114 --> 00:04:10,996\n川普曾經用筆尖跟桌子的大小來比喻中國跟台灣暗示台灣太小了不值得防禦川普也曾經說過一上任馬上就要結束俄烏戰爭也就是說未來一旦川普當選美國總統\n\n13\n00:04:27,168 --> 00:04:29,149\n外交部是不是自己內部是否做了跟國防部還有相關的國安單位偵測可能發生的狀況做政經兵推了嗎?\n\n14\n00:04:52,708 --> 00:05:16,617\n謝謝委員提出這個問題我是不擔心這個狀況最主要的原因就是說在川普的第一次擔任總統的這段時間之內我在國安會擔任秘書長也在總統府擔任過秘書長後來也到外交部來我們所觀察到的就是說川普的政府不是只有川普一個人\n\n15\n00:05:16,877 --> 00:05:42,394\n他還有副總統還有國務卿還有國安顧問國防部長等等的那我們所有的這些人都對台灣都非常的支持那也因此會造成一個說過去在川普執政之下這4年我們台灣跟美國的關係是有大幅的進展真的是進展到以現在的這個角度來看的話還是覺得說那時候的進展真的是很快速啦所以在未來我覺得是不用擔心的\n\n16\n00:05:43,150 --> 00:05:45,731\n提醒部長提早做好準備臺灣與中國兩岸關係與外交關係這種特殊的關係部長請問一下你記不記得兩個禮拜之前國防部長在本院備詢的時候也被問到兩岸的情勢看法回答說兩岸關係其實是很嚴峻的還擔心到睡不著\n\n17\n00:06:06,135 --> 00:06:06,275\n外交部長吳釗燮報告業務概況．\n\n18\n00:06:21,866 --> 00:06:22,266\n請問你會不會擔心呢?\n\n19\n00:06:51,400 --> 00:07:17,820\n其實如果委員問我的話我是有長期失眠的這個問題所以我晚上睡不著不是因為兩岸緊張的這個關係那可能就要吃藥了這樣但是也不能夠長期仰賴藥物我想委員知道的非常的清楚那有關於兩岸的這個部分的確我們所觀察到的就是說在那個灰色地帶他們是不斷的往前推進那到目前為止所有中國在做的都是在那個戰爭的門檻之下\n\n20\n00:07:19,781 --> 00:07:41,434\n所以其實是比較不用我們擔心或者是說不用去顧慮到說馬上就會面臨戰爭的這個風險那但是的確中國是不斷的在緊逼不只是在兩岸的周邊的就是在臺灣周邊的這個灰色地帶甚至是經濟的壓迫外交的壓迫或者是說對我們臺灣的這個混合戰等等的\n\n21\n00:07:44,136 --> 00:08:11,813\n那這些都不斷的在加強當中那這個是涉及到我們台灣未來長期的這個生存那所以我們對這個事情也必須要很嚴肅的去面對那要面對的一個狀況如果說問到外交部來的話我們外交部就是一個答案就是必須要去結交更多的朋友來支持我們那過去這段時間可能大家也都感受到了國際社會上面支持我們台灣的聲音是越來越大越來越響亮那這個是我們外交部的成果\n\n22\n00:08:14,153 --> 00:08:34,742\n現在還有另外一個問題根據宏都拉斯財政部公布的財政統計截至2023年底宏都拉斯對台灣的債務還欠了4.4億美元然後宏國跟台灣已經斷交了11個月那對外仍然欠了4億美元的債務這樣主要的話就是說用在社宅建設還有學校的基礎的設施還有營養午餐計劃等項目因此他向台灣融資\n\n23\n00:08:42,345 --> 00:09:03,541\n可是不過外交部當時有曾經說明說紅國向我國的貸款案均正常的在還款並沒有違約的情形假如這個日後有違約的情勢我國銀行也會依照商業貸款的實務循國際司法途徑進行追查那請問一下宏都拉斯是不是有一個團結獎學金的計畫呢\n\n24\n00:09:07,214 --> 00:09:23,628\n洪都拉斯的確是有一些獎學金的計畫讓他們海外的學生可以受到政府的這個支持但是看來這個獎學金的計畫目前是沒有在推動當中也因此有很多海外的學生包括他們還在台灣的這些學生是沒有辦法接受到他們政府的這個資源\n\n25\n00:09:24,429 --> 00:09:43,801\n所以這筆獎學金據說好像都沒有準時匯入賬戶請問部長是不是有這回事?的確這個是我們所觀察到的現象那也因為他們在臺灣念書所以我們臺灣政府對於留在臺灣念書的這些人也必須要去展現一些那個愛心那所以我們的這個做法\n\n26\n00:09:44,181 --> 00:09:48,565\n但是基於人道和人權卻還要再協助支付他們在台留學生的費用嗎?還是是有機會繼續維護外交呢?還是根本就是繼續被當愷子呢?洪都拉斯還欠台灣138億要如何追討呢?\n\n27\n00:10:08,201 --> 00:10:24,816\n我想這個不是愷字啦就是說他們欠我們的錢就依照那個國際商業貸款的這個方式他們如果說本席在還的這個過程當中一切都正常的話我們就依照他們的當時的貸款的這個條件繼續還\n\n28\n00:10:44,366 --> 00:11:02,703\n在當時簽約建交的這些項目包括提供台灣獎學金如果說這個基礎沒有的話那由政府這邊來支出他們的獎學金可能有所不妥因為這個違背到我們的當時的那個一些契約但是只要是人在台灣的這些學生\n\n29\n00:11:03,504 --> 00:11:23,938\n那我想我們政府應該有這個義務來協助他們讓他們覺得說我們台灣的政府是有這個溫暖的跟中國政府不一樣的地方就是說那個中國的政府可能也不管他們的那宏都拉斯的那個跟中國建交了中國政府也不會去管他們這一塊但是我們台灣還繼續在照顧這些學生\n\n30\n00:11:25,359 --> 00:11:25,579\n我贊成這種說法\n\n31\n00:11:55,936 --> 00:12:22,905\n既然部長同意那就請外交部要好好的繼續協助這些願意留在臺灣就學的無辜的紅國的留學生不要因為兩國的關係生變就影響到這些學生的學習和生活是那部長還有一個問題就是海地最近幾個月的動亂外交部應該有密切的關注吧有我們非常密切的關注每天都跟我們的住管有在聯繫看當地新的這些狀況好\n\n32\n00:12:24,380 --> 00:12:39,612\n海地總理亨利上週已經請辭了雖然現在當地的警察正在努力跟黑幫作戰但是政府基本上已經失去對國家的管理能力了海地基本上已經是非常混亂的無政府的狀況那連美國國務院也承認情況混亂到他們沒有辦法判斷海地的政治情勢部長認為我們的使館人員跟僑胞待在那邊現在是安全的嗎\n\n33\n00:12:51,921 --> 00:13:00,625\n目前沒有問題因為那個海地其實那個地方很大了那請問部長我們現在海地的使館人員還有臺商還有僑民總共有多少人22個人還好人數不算多但由於海地政治的動亂繼續擴大所以目前美國加拿大德國那邊已經撤離使館人員了\n\n34\n00:13:13,410 --> 00:13:35,657\n我再說明一下就是他們撤離是所謂的non-essential就是有些那個眷屬或者是說沒有必要繼續留在那邊的人但是大部分的使館人員都還留著好所以我想請問部長就外交部有沒有想要撤僑計畫呢把我們那些外交部人員和僑胞接回來呢我們有規劃但是還不到那個地步\n\n35\n00:13:36,923 --> 00:13:37,143\n主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n450\t2132\t有請外交部長請吳部長委員好\n9793\t29853\t部長好先跟外交部同仁說聲辛苦了本席有幸參加今年在日本舉辦的APPU感謝有外交部同仁的協助所以讓整個代表團很圓滿達成任務所以也完成了一場成果豐碩的國會外交更爭取明年2025年在台灣舉辦的主辦權那請問部長\n34497\t61088\t你從2018年上任到現在這段期間剛好是美國與中國競爭最激烈的時候我們都知道台灣在國際上的外交處境其實是相當不容易的國旗是外交部在面對中國對台灣國際上的種種的打壓肯定有許多難言之隱在這裡先跟部長及外交同仁說聲辛苦了部長美國是台灣最重要的門友\n63203\t63484\t是的,沒有錯\n69898\t99124\t上週的超級星期二兩黨在初選結束之後確定分別是由川普跟拜登再次對決而且就目前的情勢來看感覺好像是對現任美國總統拜登似乎非常的不利因此川普在七個關鍵搖擺州的民調都是領先的所以看起來好像川普到今年年底贏得美國總統大選的贏面是比較大的所以部長你同意嗎還是你覺得你有不同的意見和看法呢\n100272\t124977\t我們對美國的選舉都保持密切的關注但是因為還有7個多月所以入死誰手都還不是很確定尤其是美國的這個選舉的這個制度跟我們的不太一樣所以他們的選舉可能還有一些變數不過委員一開始提到的那個APPU我們覺得很榮幸能夠來協助委員去參加APPU而且成功爭取到明年在台灣的這個主辦權\n126957\t154156\t那在過去這段時間的確也向委員所說的我們跟美國之間即使在國際的這個紛擾之下我們跟美國的這個關係跟兩黨的關係跟政府行政部門立法部門之間的關係也都有加強那有關於美國的選舉的這個事情的確可能我們台灣的人民會感受到說這個對我們台灣會有所衝擊也一直我們都很小心的在關注不過在這邊也可以跟委員報告就是在過去這段時間我們爭取到的\n156417\t156577\t吳釗燮報告業務概況：林憶君\n186517\t189558\t相對的部長你也知道其實美國人的盟友其實對過去對川普總是以利益優先的商人治國方式是很擔心的這樣你認為呢\n217239\t222606\t謝謝委員提到這個問題其實川普之前就擔任過美國的總統1997年到2021年\n231698\t246870\t那在他的那個總統的任期之內我們看到了我們台灣跟美國之間的關係那個快速發展的那個四年所以他如果說再一次擔任美國總統的話我不預見說我們跟美國的關係會有任何的衝擊\n248114\t250996\t川普曾經用筆尖跟桌子的大小來比喻中國跟台灣暗示台灣太小了不值得防禦川普也曾經說過一上任馬上就要結束俄烏戰爭也就是說未來一旦川普當選美國總統\n267168\t269149\t外交部是不是自己內部是否做了跟國防部還有相關的國安單位偵測可能發生的狀況做政經兵推了嗎?\n292708\t316617\t謝謝委員提出這個問題我是不擔心這個狀況最主要的原因就是說在川普的第一次擔任總統的這段時間之內我在國安會擔任秘書長也在總統府擔任過秘書長後來也到外交部來我們所觀察到的就是說川普的政府不是只有川普一個人\n316877\t342394\t他還有副總統還有國務卿還有國安顧問國防部長等等的那我們所有的這些人都對台灣都非常的支持那也因此會造成一個說過去在川普執政之下這4年我們台灣跟美國的關係是有大幅的進展真的是進展到以現在的這個角度來看的話還是覺得說那時候的進展真的是很快速啦所以在未來我覺得是不用擔心的\n343150\t345731\t提醒部長提早做好準備臺灣與中國兩岸關係與外交關係這種特殊的關係部長請問一下你記不記得兩個禮拜之前國防部長在本院備詢的時候也被問到兩岸的情勢看法回答說兩岸關係其實是很嚴峻的還擔心到睡不著\n366135\t366275\t外交部長吳釗燮報告業務概況．\n381866\t382266\t請問你會不會擔心呢?\n411400\t437820\t其實如果委員問我的話我是有長期失眠的這個問題所以我晚上睡不著不是因為兩岸緊張的這個關係那可能就要吃藥了這樣但是也不能夠長期仰賴藥物我想委員知道的非常的清楚那有關於兩岸的這個部分的確我們所觀察到的就是說在那個灰色地帶他們是不斷的往前推進那到目前為止所有中國在做的都是在那個戰爭的門檻之下\n439781\t461434\t所以其實是比較不用我們擔心或者是說不用去顧慮到說馬上就會面臨戰爭的這個風險那但是的確中國是不斷的在緊逼不只是在兩岸的周邊的就是在臺灣周邊的這個灰色地帶甚至是經濟的壓迫外交的壓迫或者是說對我們臺灣的這個混合戰等等的\n464136\t491813\t那這些都不斷的在加強當中那這個是涉及到我們台灣未來長期的這個生存那所以我們對這個事情也必須要很嚴肅的去面對那要面對的一個狀況如果說問到外交部來的話我們外交部就是一個答案就是必須要去結交更多的朋友來支持我們那過去這段時間可能大家也都感受到了國際社會上面支持我們台灣的聲音是越來越大越來越響亮那這個是我們外交部的成果\n494153\t514742\t現在還有另外一個問題根據宏都拉斯財政部公布的財政統計截至2023年底宏都拉斯對台灣的債務還欠了4.4億美元然後宏國跟台灣已經斷交了11個月那對外仍然欠了4億美元的債務這樣主要的話就是說用在社宅建設還有學校的基礎的設施還有營養午餐計劃等項目因此他向台灣融資\n522345\t543541\t可是不過外交部當時有曾經說明說紅國向我國的貸款案均正常的在還款並沒有違約的情形假如這個日後有違約的情勢我國銀行也會依照商業貸款的實務循國際司法途徑進行追查那請問一下宏都拉斯是不是有一個團結獎學金的計畫呢\n547214\t563628\t洪都拉斯的確是有一些獎學金的計畫讓他們海外的學生可以受到政府的這個支持但是看來這個獎學金的計畫目前是沒有在推動當中也因此有很多海外的學生包括他們還在台灣的這些學生是沒有辦法接受到他們政府的這個資源\n564429\t583801\t所以這筆獎學金據說好像都沒有準時匯入賬戶請問部長是不是有這回事?的確這個是我們所觀察到的現象那也因為他們在臺灣念書所以我們臺灣政府對於留在臺灣念書的這些人也必須要去展現一些那個愛心那所以我們的這個做法\n584181\t588565\t但是基於人道和人權卻還要再協助支付他們在台留學生的費用嗎?還是是有機會繼續維護外交呢?還是根本就是繼續被當愷子呢?洪都拉斯還欠台灣138億要如何追討呢?\n608201\t624816\t我想這個不是愷字啦就是說他們欠我們的錢就依照那個國際商業貸款的這個方式他們如果說本席在還的這個過程當中一切都正常的話我們就依照他們的當時的貸款的這個條件繼續還\n626578\t643217\t﹗\n644366\t662703\t在當時簽約建交的這些項目包括提供台灣獎學金如果說這個基礎沒有的話那由政府這邊來支出他們的獎學金可能有所不妥因為這個違背到我們的當時的那個一些契約但是只要是人在台灣的這些學生\n663504\t683938\t那我想我們政府應該有這個義務來協助他們讓他們覺得說我們台灣的政府是有這個溫暖的跟中國政府不一樣的地方就是說那個中國的政府可能也不管他們的那宏都拉斯的那個跟中國建交了中國政府也不會去管他們這一塊但是我們台灣還繼續在照顧這些學生\n685359\t685579\t我贊成這種說法\n715936\t742905\t既然部長同意那就請外交部要好好的繼續協助這些願意留在臺灣就學的無辜的紅國的留學生不要因為兩國的關係生變就影響到這些學生的學習和生活是那部長還有一個問題就是海地最近幾個月的動亂外交部應該有密切的關注吧有我們非常密切的關注每天都跟我們的住管有在聯繫看當地新的這些狀況好\n744380\t759612\t海地總理亨利上週已經請辭了雖然現在當地的警察正在努力跟黑幫作戰但是政府基本上已經失去對國家的管理能力了海地基本上已經是非常混亂的無政府的狀況那連美國國務院也承認情況混亂到他們沒有辦法判斷海地的政治情勢部長認為我們的使館人員跟僑胞待在那邊現在是安全的嗎\n771921\t780625\t目前沒有問題因為那個海地其實那個地方很大了那請問部長我們現在海地的使館人員還有臺商還有僑民總共有多少人22個人還好人數不算多但由於海地政治的動亂繼續擴大所以目前美國加拿大德國那邊已經撤離使館人員了\n793410\t815657\t我再說明一下就是他們撤離是所謂的non-essential就是有些那個眷屬或者是說沒有必要繼續留在那邊的人但是大部分的使館人員都還留著好所以我想請問部長就外交部有沒有想要撤僑計畫呢把我們那些外交部人員和僑胞接回來呢我們有規劃但是還不到那個地步\n816923\t817143\t主席\n","txt":"有請外交部長請吳部長委員好\n部長好先跟外交部同仁說聲辛苦了本席有幸參加今年在日本舉辦的APPU感謝有外交部同仁的協助所以讓整個代表團很圓滿達成任務所以也完成了一場成果豐碩的國會外交更爭取明年2025年在台灣舉辦的主辦權那請問部長\n你從2018年上任到現在這段期間剛好是美國與中國競爭最激烈的時候我們都知道台灣在國際上的外交處境其實是相當不容易的國旗是外交部在面對中國對台灣國際上的種種的打壓肯定有許多難言之隱在這裡先跟部長及外交同仁說聲辛苦了部長美國是台灣最重要的門友\n是的,沒有錯\n上週的超級星期二兩黨在初選結束之後確定分別是由川普跟拜登再次對決而且就目前的情勢來看感覺好像是對現任美國總統拜登似乎非常的不利因此川普在七個關鍵搖擺州的民調都是領先的所以看起來好像川普到今年年底贏得美國總統大選的贏面是比較大的所以部長你同意嗎還是你覺得你有不同的意見和看法呢\n我們對美國的選舉都保持密切的關注但是因為還有7個多月所以入死誰手都還不是很確定尤其是美國的這個選舉的這個制度跟我們的不太一樣所以他們的選舉可能還有一些變數不過委員一開始提到的那個APPU我們覺得很榮幸能夠來協助委員去參加APPU而且成功爭取到明年在台灣的這個主辦權\n那在過去這段時間的確也向委員所說的我們跟美國之間即使在國際的這個紛擾之下我們跟美國的這個關係跟兩黨的關係跟政府行政部門立法部門之間的關係也都有加強那有關於美國的選舉的這個事情的確可能我們台灣的人民會感受到說這個對我們台灣會有所衝擊也一直我們都很小心的在關注不過在這邊也可以跟委員報告就是在過去這段時間我們爭取到的\n吳釗燮報告業務概況：林憶君\n相對的部長你也知道其實美國人的盟友其實對過去對川普總是以利益優先的商人治國方式是很擔心的這樣你認為呢\n謝謝委員提到這個問題其實川普之前就擔任過美國的總統1997年到2021年\n那在他的那個總統的任期之內我們看到了我們台灣跟美國之間的關係那個快速發展的那個四年所以他如果說再一次擔任美國總統的話我不預見說我們跟美國的關係會有任何的衝擊\n川普曾經用筆尖跟桌子的大小來比喻中國跟台灣暗示台灣太小了不值得防禦川普也曾經說過一上任馬上就要結束俄烏戰爭也就是說未來一旦川普當選美國總統\n外交部是不是自己內部是否做了跟國防部還有相關的國安單位偵測可能發生的狀況做政經兵推了嗎?\n謝謝委員提出這個問題我是不擔心這個狀況最主要的原因就是說在川普的第一次擔任總統的這段時間之內我在國安會擔任秘書長也在總統府擔任過秘書長後來也到外交部來我們所觀察到的就是說川普的政府不是只有川普一個人\n他還有副總統還有國務卿還有國安顧問國防部長等等的那我們所有的這些人都對台灣都非常的支持那也因此會造成一個說過去在川普執政之下這4年我們台灣跟美國的關係是有大幅的進展真的是進展到以現在的這個角度來看的話還是覺得說那時候的進展真的是很快速啦所以在未來我覺得是不用擔心的\n提醒部長提早做好準備臺灣與中國兩岸關係與外交關係這種特殊的關係部長請問一下你記不記得兩個禮拜之前國防部長在本院備詢的時候也被問到兩岸的情勢看法回答說兩岸關係其實是很嚴峻的還擔心到睡不著\n外交部長吳釗燮報告業務概況．\n請問你會不會擔心呢?\n其實如果委員問我的話我是有長期失眠的這個問題所以我晚上睡不著不是因為兩岸緊張的這個關係那可能就要吃藥了這樣但是也不能夠長期仰賴藥物我想委員知道的非常的清楚那有關於兩岸的這個部分的確我們所觀察到的就是說在那個灰色地帶他們是不斷的往前推進那到目前為止所有中國在做的都是在那個戰爭的門檻之下\n所以其實是比較不用我們擔心或者是說不用去顧慮到說馬上就會面臨戰爭的這個風險那但是的確中國是不斷的在緊逼不只是在兩岸的周邊的就是在臺灣周邊的這個灰色地帶甚至是經濟的壓迫外交的壓迫或者是說對我們臺灣的這個混合戰等等的\n那這些都不斷的在加強當中那這個是涉及到我們台灣未來長期的這個生存那所以我們對這個事情也必須要很嚴肅的去面對那要面對的一個狀況如果說問到外交部來的話我們外交部就是一個答案就是必須要去結交更多的朋友來支持我們那過去這段時間可能大家也都感受到了國際社會上面支持我們台灣的聲音是越來越大越來越響亮那這個是我們外交部的成果\n現在還有另外一個問題根據宏都拉斯財政部公布的財政統計截至2023年底宏都拉斯對台灣的債務還欠了4.4億美元然後宏國跟台灣已經斷交了11個月那對外仍然欠了4億美元的債務這樣主要的話就是說用在社宅建設還有學校的基礎的設施還有營養午餐計劃等項目因此他向台灣融資\n可是不過外交部當時有曾經說明說紅國向我國的貸款案均正常的在還款並沒有違約的情形假如這個日後有違約的情勢我國銀行也會依照商業貸款的實務循國際司法途徑進行追查那請問一下宏都拉斯是不是有一個團結獎學金的計畫呢\n洪都拉斯的確是有一些獎學金的計畫讓他們海外的學生可以受到政府的這個支持但是看來這個獎學金的計畫目前是沒有在推動當中也因此有很多海外的學生包括他們還在台灣的這些學生是沒有辦法接受到他們政府的這個資源\n所以這筆獎學金據說好像都沒有準時匯入賬戶請問部長是不是有這回事?的確這個是我們所觀察到的現象那也因為他們在臺灣念書所以我們臺灣政府對於留在臺灣念書的這些人也必須要去展現一些那個愛心那所以我們的這個做法\n但是基於人道和人權卻還要再協助支付他們在台留學生的費用嗎?還是是有機會繼續維護外交呢?還是根本就是繼續被當愷子呢?洪都拉斯還欠台灣138億要如何追討呢?\n我想這個不是愷字啦就是說他們欠我們的錢就依照那個國際商業貸款的這個方式他們如果說本席在還的這個過程當中一切都正常的話我們就依照他們的當時的貸款的這個條件繼續還\n﹗\n在當時簽約建交的這些項目包括提供台灣獎學金如果說這個基礎沒有的話那由政府這邊來支出他們的獎學金可能有所不妥因為這個違背到我們的當時的那個一些契約但是只要是人在台灣的這些學生\n那我想我們政府應該有這個義務來協助他們讓他們覺得說我們台灣的政府是有這個溫暖的跟中國政府不一樣的地方就是說那個中國的政府可能也不管他們的那宏都拉斯的那個跟中國建交了中國政府也不會去管他們這一塊但是我們台灣還繼續在照顧這些學生\n我贊成這種說法\n既然部長同意那就請外交部要好好的繼續協助這些願意留在臺灣就學的無辜的紅國的留學生不要因為兩國的關係生變就影響到這些學生的學習和生活是那部長還有一個問題就是海地最近幾個月的動亂外交部應該有密切的關注吧有我們非常密切的關注每天都跟我們的住管有在聯繫看當地新的這些狀況好\n海地總理亨利上週已經請辭了雖然現在當地的警察正在努力跟黑幫作戰但是政府基本上已經失去對國家的管理能力了海地基本上已經是非常混亂的無政府的狀況那連美國國務院也承認情況混亂到他們沒有辦法判斷海地的政治情勢部長認為我們的使館人員跟僑胞待在那邊現在是安全的嗎\n目前沒有問題因為那個海地其實那個地方很大了那請問部長我們現在海地的使館人員還有臺商還有僑民總共有多少人22個人還好人數不算多但由於海地政治的動亂繼續擴大所以目前美國加拿大德國那邊已經撤離使館人員了\n我再說明一下就是他們撤離是所謂的non-essential就是有些那個眷屬或者是說沒有必要繼續留在那邊的人但是大部分的使館人員都還留著好所以我想請問部長就外交部有沒有想要撤僑計畫呢把我們那些外交部人員和僑胞接回來呢我們有規劃但是還不到那個地步\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.450 --> 00:02.132\n有請外交部長請吳部長委員好\n\n00:09.793 --> 00:29.853\n部長好先跟外交部同仁說聲辛苦了本席有幸參加今年在日本舉辦的APPU感謝有外交部同仁的協助所以讓整個代表團很圓滿達成任務所以也完成了一場成果豐碩的國會外交更爭取明年2025年在台灣舉辦的主辦權那請問部長\n\n00:34.497 --> 01:01.088\n你從2018年上任到現在這段期間剛好是美國與中國競爭最激烈的時候我們都知道台灣在國際上的外交處境其實是相當不容易的國旗是外交部在面對中國對台灣國際上的種種的打壓肯定有許多難言之隱在這裡先跟部長及外交同仁說聲辛苦了部長美國是台灣最重要的門友\n\n01:03.203 --> 01:03.484\n是的,沒有錯\n\n01:09.898 --> 01:39.124\n上週的超級星期二兩黨在初選結束之後確定分別是由川普跟拜登再次對決而且就目前的情勢來看感覺好像是對現任美國總統拜登似乎非常的不利因此川普在七個關鍵搖擺州的民調都是領先的所以看起來好像川普到今年年底贏得美國總統大選的贏面是比較大的所以部長你同意嗎還是你覺得你有不同的意見和看法呢\n\n01:40.272 --> 02:04.977\n我們對美國的選舉都保持密切的關注但是因為還有7個多月所以入死誰手都還不是很確定尤其是美國的這個選舉的這個制度跟我們的不太一樣所以他們的選舉可能還有一些變數不過委員一開始提到的那個APPU我們覺得很榮幸能夠來協助委員去參加APPU而且成功爭取到明年在台灣的這個主辦權\n\n02:06.957 --> 02:34.156\n那在過去這段時間的確也向委員所說的我們跟美國之間即使在國際的這個紛擾之下我們跟美國的這個關係跟兩黨的關係跟政府行政部門立法部門之間的關係也都有加強那有關於美國的選舉的這個事情的確可能我們台灣的人民會感受到說這個對我們台灣會有所衝擊也一直我們都很小心的在關注不過在這邊也可以跟委員報告就是在過去這段時間我們爭取到的\n\n02:36.417 --> 02:36.577\n吳釗燮報告業務概況：林憶君\n\n03:06.517 --> 03:09.558\n相對的部長你也知道其實美國人的盟友其實對過去對川普總是以利益優先的商人治國方式是很擔心的這樣你認為呢\n\n03:37.239 --> 03:42.606\n謝謝委員提到這個問題其實川普之前就擔任過美國的總統1997年到2021年\n\n03:51.698 --> 04:06.870\n那在他的那個總統的任期之內我們看到了我們台灣跟美國之間的關係那個快速發展的那個四年所以他如果說再一次擔任美國總統的話我不預見說我們跟美國的關係會有任何的衝擊\n\n04:08.114 --> 04:10.996\n川普曾經用筆尖跟桌子的大小來比喻中國跟台灣暗示台灣太小了不值得防禦川普也曾經說過一上任馬上就要結束俄烏戰爭也就是說未來一旦川普當選美國總統\n\n04:27.168 --> 04:29.149\n外交部是不是自己內部是否做了跟國防部還有相關的國安單位偵測可能發生的狀況做政經兵推了嗎?\n\n04:52.708 --> 05:16.617\n謝謝委員提出這個問題我是不擔心這個狀況最主要的原因就是說在川普的第一次擔任總統的這段時間之內我在國安會擔任秘書長也在總統府擔任過秘書長後來也到外交部來我們所觀察到的就是說川普的政府不是只有川普一個人\n\n05:16.877 --> 05:42.394\n他還有副總統還有國務卿還有國安顧問國防部長等等的那我們所有的這些人都對台灣都非常的支持那也因此會造成一個說過去在川普執政之下這4年我們台灣跟美國的關係是有大幅的進展真的是進展到以現在的這個角度來看的話還是覺得說那時候的進展真的是很快速啦所以在未來我覺得是不用擔心的\n\n05:43.150 --> 05:45.731\n提醒部長提早做好準備臺灣與中國兩岸關係與外交關係這種特殊的關係部長請問一下你記不記得兩個禮拜之前國防部長在本院備詢的時候也被問到兩岸的情勢看法回答說兩岸關係其實是很嚴峻的還擔心到睡不著\n\n06:06.135 --> 06:06.275\n外交部長吳釗燮報告業務概況．\n\n06:21.866 --> 06:22.266\n請問你會不會擔心呢?\n\n06:51.400 --> 07:17.820\n其實如果委員問我的話我是有長期失眠的這個問題所以我晚上睡不著不是因為兩岸緊張的這個關係那可能就要吃藥了這樣但是也不能夠長期仰賴藥物我想委員知道的非常的清楚那有關於兩岸的這個部分的確我們所觀察到的就是說在那個灰色地帶他們是不斷的往前推進那到目前為止所有中國在做的都是在那個戰爭的門檻之下\n\n07:19.781 --> 07:41.434\n所以其實是比較不用我們擔心或者是說不用去顧慮到說馬上就會面臨戰爭的這個風險那但是的確中國是不斷的在緊逼不只是在兩岸的周邊的就是在臺灣周邊的這個灰色地帶甚至是經濟的壓迫外交的壓迫或者是說對我們臺灣的這個混合戰等等的\n\n07:44.136 --> 08:11.813\n那這些都不斷的在加強當中那這個是涉及到我們台灣未來長期的這個生存那所以我們對這個事情也必須要很嚴肅的去面對那要面對的一個狀況如果說問到外交部來的話我們外交部就是一個答案就是必須要去結交更多的朋友來支持我們那過去這段時間可能大家也都感受到了國際社會上面支持我們台灣的聲音是越來越大越來越響亮那這個是我們外交部的成果\n\n08:14.153 --> 08:34.742\n現在還有另外一個問題根據宏都拉斯財政部公布的財政統計截至2023年底宏都拉斯對台灣的債務還欠了4.4億美元然後宏國跟台灣已經斷交了11個月那對外仍然欠了4億美元的債務這樣主要的話就是說用在社宅建設還有學校的基礎的設施還有營養午餐計劃等項目因此他向台灣融資\n\n08:42.345 --> 09:03.541\n可是不過外交部當時有曾經說明說紅國向我國的貸款案均正常的在還款並沒有違約的情形假如這個日後有違約的情勢我國銀行也會依照商業貸款的實務循國際司法途徑進行追查那請問一下宏都拉斯是不是有一個團結獎學金的計畫呢\n\n09:07.214 --> 09:23.628\n洪都拉斯的確是有一些獎學金的計畫讓他們海外的學生可以受到政府的這個支持但是看來這個獎學金的計畫目前是沒有在推動當中也因此有很多海外的學生包括他們還在台灣的這些學生是沒有辦法接受到他們政府的這個資源\n\n09:24.429 --> 09:43.801\n所以這筆獎學金據說好像都沒有準時匯入賬戶請問部長是不是有這回事?的確這個是我們所觀察到的現象那也因為他們在臺灣念書所以我們臺灣政府對於留在臺灣念書的這些人也必須要去展現一些那個愛心那所以我們的這個做法\n\n09:44.181 --> 09:48.565\n但是基於人道和人權卻還要再協助支付他們在台留學生的費用嗎?還是是有機會繼續維護外交呢?還是根本就是繼續被當愷子呢?洪都拉斯還欠台灣138億要如何追討呢?\n\n10:08.201 --> 10:24.816\n我想這個不是愷字啦就是說他們欠我們的錢就依照那個國際商業貸款的這個方式他們如果說本席在還的這個過程當中一切都正常的話我們就依照他們的當時的貸款的這個條件繼續還\n\n10:44.366 --> 11:02.703\n在當時簽約建交的這些項目包括提供台灣獎學金如果說這個基礎沒有的話那由政府這邊來支出他們的獎學金可能有所不妥因為這個違背到我們的當時的那個一些契約但是只要是人在台灣的這些學生\n\n11:03.504 --> 11:23.938\n那我想我們政府應該有這個義務來協助他們讓他們覺得說我們台灣的政府是有這個溫暖的跟中國政府不一樣的地方就是說那個中國的政府可能也不管他們的那宏都拉斯的那個跟中國建交了中國政府也不會去管他們這一塊但是我們台灣還繼續在照顧這些學生\n\n11:25.359 --> 11:25.579\n我贊成這種說法\n\n11:55.936 --> 12:22.905\n既然部長同意那就請外交部要好好的繼續協助這些願意留在臺灣就學的無辜的紅國的留學生不要因為兩國的關係生變就影響到這些學生的學習和生活是那部長還有一個問題就是海地最近幾個月的動亂外交部應該有密切的關注吧有我們非常密切的關注每天都跟我們的住管有在聯繫看當地新的這些狀況好\n\n12:24.380 --> 12:39.612\n海地總理亨利上週已經請辭了雖然現在當地的警察正在努力跟黑幫作戰但是政府基本上已經失去對國家的管理能力了海地基本上已經是非常混亂的無政府的狀況那連美國國務院也承認情況混亂到他們沒有辦法判斷海地的政治情勢部長認為我們的使館人員跟僑胞待在那邊現在是安全的嗎\n\n12:51.921 --> 13:00.625\n目前沒有問題因為那個海地其實那個地方很大了那請問部長我們現在海地的使館人員還有臺商還有僑民總共有多少人22個人還好人數不算多但由於海地政治的動亂繼續擴大所以目前美國加拿大德國那邊已經撤離使館人員了\n\n13:13.410 --> 13:35.657\n我再說明一下就是他們撤離是所謂的non-essential就是有些那個眷屬或者是說沒有必要繼續留在那邊的人但是大部分的使館人員都還留著好所以我想請問部長就外交部有沒有想要撤僑計畫呢把我們那些外交部人員和僑胞接回來呢我們有規劃但是還不到那個地步\n\n13:36.923 --> 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