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00:00:45,542\n在兩個月之後的五二零二零二四我們的賴清德總統要就職請問一下外交部現在準備情況怎麼樣\n\n4\n00:00:46,714 --> 00:01:15,069\n非常謝謝委員我們每一個邦交國我們都想辦法去邀請那到目前為止回覆都非常的熱烈那有些元首他們沒有辦法親自來的比如說有其他的這個藥物或者是說有些其他的出國的計畫那他們也都會派非常高層的那個代表團來那目前大概邦交國的元首或是代表大概會來多少我們還在做最後的統計當中但是會有很多的這些國家的元首來\n\n5\n00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:28,967\n除了我們邦交國之外我們的友好的國家美日歐洲這些友好的國家很多人想要來大概有多少人這個520就是預估大概有多少人會來現在開始在籌備了吧\n\n6\n00:01:30,809 --> 00:01:47,072\n有在籌備而且我們也陸續接到那個request說想要來那所以現在還沒有辦法去估計說一個固定的數目但是兩三百人應該是跑不掉那希望說這個當天就職那都一切順利但是我們也擔心在520之前\n\n7\n00:01:48,354 --> 00:02:01,494\n中國會不會有一些外交上面的一些施壓就像在1月份的時候就把諾魯就拿走了那這個部長這邊有沒有感受到52年之前中國有對我們的邦交國施加壓力\n\n8\n00:02:03,773 --> 00:02:21,032\n這個我們隨時都在關注當中那其實中國對我們外交部的這個壓力或者對我們外交的這個整體的壓力一直都在而且一直都很強那我們也都隨時隨地必須要去面對這些壓力那譬如說在各式各樣的這個國際的場合\n\n9\n00:02:22,874 --> 00:02:39,666\n中國的這個打壓是有過於以往所以這個是我們所感受到的那我們必須要很認真的去面對那個中國對我們的壓力但是在壓力之下我們也必須要去思考說如何去拓展更多的這個外交的這個道路\n\n10\n00:02:40,146 --> 00:03:02,564\n那在過去這段時間,我相信委員我怎麼了解,就是說,我們到一些沒有報告,但是民主很重要的國家的關係一直提升,那這個就是我們外交部所打出來的一個成果。那當然是說,會不會中國又在520之前,這個把壓力壓到最大,那會不會就是說,在邦交國這部分,\n\n11\n00:03:03,405 --> 00:03:03,805\n外交部長吳釗燮報告業務概況\n\n12\n00:03:30,623 --> 00:03:46,795\n那要不是這個捷克的這個參議院議長韋德齊他把這個照片PO出來其實我相信這個很多人也還不知道說這個我們這個蕭敏琴副總統當選人人是在捷克那當然我不知道他哪時候回來那我也不會去問因為這是他私人的行程\n\n13\n00:03:47,515 --> 00:04:16,661\n那我只是請教一下這一個部長去歐洲就不是私人行程到美國是私人行程到歐洲是因為有歐洲的智庫很重要的智庫邀請他到歐洲去演講那到歐洲就只有這個公開的行程就是接下來還有那個去會見一些歐洲的這些好朋友那目前我們還沒有準備好要跟外面來做說明但是時間到了我們會對外面來做說明時間到再做說明就好\n\n14\n00:04:16,761 --> 00:04:16,941\n主席\n\n15\n00:04:42,852 --> 00:05:05,290\n我不曉得為什麼這兩天這個太平島會成為一個熱門的話題那剛剛我看部長有回答這個委員在詢問就是說如果這時候這個國家元首去時機不是很好但是我發現說這個包含我們的召委這個要率團要到這個太平島去那立法委員去520之前去時機好不好時機點好不好\n\n16\n00:05:09,060 --> 00:05:33,099\n我想必須要做這樣的區別就是說我們的委員並不是說那個就是代表政府那我們的委員是代表很多的這些選民那如果說委員決定在什麼時間點要去哪裡做考察的話那對於委員的這些決定我們通通都予以尊重尊重當然那有沒有可以給一些專業上的意見\n\n17\n00:05:35,163 --> 00:05:54,497\n現在南海緊張的情勢是怎樣?會不會對於外交上造成一些困擾?部長還是可以給予一些專業上的建議嗎?剛剛其實都有委員在問我,我也有說明一下目前南海的情勢的確是很緊張。\n\n18\n00:05:55,998 --> 00:06:18,467\n如果說那個委員剛剛沒有注意到那個我剛剛在答詢的過程當中有提到的就以我們太平島的這個地點來看的話離我們太平島沒有多遠大概是五六十公里的那個五六十海里的這個範圍之內就有中國的三個島礁鼠壁礁美濟礁以及永暑礁\n\n19\n00:06:19,227 --> 00:06:19,467\n李坤城議員\n\n20\n00:06:39,927 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二零二四我們的賴清德總統要就職請問一下外交部現在準備情況怎麼樣\n非常謝謝委員我們每一個邦交國我們都想辦法去邀請那到目前為止回覆都非常的熱烈那有些元首他們沒有辦法親自來的比如說有其他的這個藥物或者是說有些其他的出國的計畫那他們也都會派非常高層的那個代表團來那目前大概邦交國的元首或是代表大概會來多少我們還在做最後的統計當中但是會有很多的這些國家的元首來\n除了我們邦交國之外我們的友好的國家美日歐洲這些友好的國家很多人想要來大概有多少人這個520就是預估大概有多少人會來現在開始在籌備了吧\n有在籌備而且我們也陸續接到那個request說想要來那所以現在還沒有辦法去估計說一個固定的數目但是兩三百人應該是跑不掉那希望說這個當天就職那都一切順利但是我們也擔心在520之前\n中國會不會有一些外交上面的一些施壓就像在1月份的時候就把諾魯就拿走了那這個部長這邊有沒有感受到52年之前中國有對我們的邦交國施加壓力\n這個我們隨時都在關注當中那其實中國對我們外交部的這個壓力或者對我們外交的這個整體的壓力一直都在而且一直都很強那我們也都隨時隨地必須要去面對這些壓力那譬如說在各式各樣的這個國際的場合\n中國的這個打壓是有過於以往所以這個是我們所感受到的那我們必須要很認真的去面對那個中國對我們的壓力但是在壓力之下我們也必須要去思考說如何去拓展更多的這個外交的這個道路\n那在過去這段時間,我相信委員我怎麼了解,就是說,我們到一些沒有報告,但是民主很重要的國家的關係一直提升,那這個就是我們外交部所打出來的一個成果。那當然是說,會不會中國又在520之前,這個把壓力壓到最大,那會不會就是說,在邦交國這部分,\n外交部長吳釗燮報告業務概況\n那要不是這個捷克的這個參議院議長韋德齊他把這個照片PO出來其實我相信這個很多人也還不知道說這個我們這個蕭敏琴副總統當選人人是在捷克那當然我不知道他哪時候回來那我也不會去問因為這是他私人的行程\n那我只是請教一下這一個部長去歐洲就不是私人行程到美國是私人行程到歐洲是因為有歐洲的智庫很重要的智庫邀請他到歐洲去演講那到歐洲就只有這個公開的行程就是接下來還有那個去會見一些歐洲的這些好朋友那目前我們還沒有準備好要跟外面來做說明但是時間到了我們會對外面來做說明時間到再做說明就好\n主席\n我不曉得為什麼這兩天這個太平島會成為一個熱門的話題那剛剛我看部長有回答這個委員在詢問就是說如果這時候這個國家元首去時機不是很好但是我發現說這個包含我們的召委這個要率團要到這個太平島去那立法委員去520之前去時機好不好時機點好不好\n我想必須要做這樣的區別就是說我們的委員並不是說那個就是代表政府那我們的委員是代表很多的這些選民那如果說委員決定在什麼時間點要去哪裡做考察的話那對於委員的這些決定我們通通都予以尊重尊重當然那有沒有可以給一些專業上的意見\n現在南海緊張的情勢是怎樣?會不會對於外交上造成一些困擾?部長還是可以給予一些專業上的建議嗎?剛剛其實都有委員在問我,我也有說明一下目前南海的情勢的確是很緊張。\n如果說那個委員剛剛沒有注意到那個我剛剛在答詢的過程當中有提到的就以我們太平島的這個地點來看的話離我們太平島沒有多遠大概是五六十公里的那個五六十海里的這個範圍之內就有中國的三個島礁鼠壁礁美濟礁以及永暑礁\n李坤城議員\n這個小小的一點可以來看到就是說中國已經把南海已經軍事化了而且這個整個地方的那個緊張的情勢是不斷的升高那我也說過那個就是我們所掌握的這個情資的話中國每天都有20多艘的軍艦在南海巡邏那他們也有那個空軍駐紮在南海的這個島\n李坤城議員\n這也是為什麼美國國務卿布林肯要特別跟菲律賓的總統小馬可斯要見面這就是南海情勢的緊張那我這樣聽部長這樣講那或許在520之前立委要去也不是一個好的時機點立委我想因為他們當然你要遵守立委啦立委要去哪裡你也管不到你也管不到立委要去哪裡只是說我是請這個外交部的部長提供一些外交專業上的一些意見\n因為去當然是說形式上說是要宣示這個台灣的主權那這個台灣的主權我們在太平洋上面有國旗有我們的海巡人員有我們的國軍他就是屬於中華民國的領土嘛這個沒有什麼爭議性那如果說在這個時間點上面特別要去其實我也可以建議這個召委\n安全﹗\n謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.632 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