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00:01:32,418\n也應該授權於他們多放款使用第一能夠讓他們使用的如果合法的他的土地那這個原保地可以開放觀光的比如說錄影區餐廳或者是民宿讓他們有經濟來源的一個基本\n\n5\n00:01:33,098 --> 00:01:33,658\n另外就是\n\n6\n00:02:00,134 --> 00:02:11,865\n目前當局最急迫性的全國目前最需要的是什麼是居住正義居住正義在蔡英文\n\n7\n00:02:13,629 --> 00:02:25,393\n在政府的社會住宅政策下本席要求建立原住民的專屬社會住宅依照行政院109年的8月17日\n\n8\n00:02:33,775 --> 00:03:02,090\n合定通過原住民族住宅四年二期計畫110年到113年辦理第二個行政院109年10月5日合定通過前瞻基礎建設城鄉建設原民部落營造計畫106年至114年第三落實原住民的基本法第16條\n\n9\n00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:30,700\n政府應策定原住民族住宅政策．輔導原住民建構或租用住宅．並積極推動部落更新的計畫方案。當然社會住宅提供的照顧的對象有三個面向第一是設心落實第二身心落實第三階段性的落實所以為了針對上次我質詢部長\n\n10\n00:03:32,421 --> 00:04:01,257\n您有提到我們台中市沙鹿平等段的這個社會住宅那這個社會住宅的第一個要件但並沒有中央的挹注只是用地方的財源的這個劃分法可是問題是我們曾經有提過希望中央能夠挹注這個政策所以因此\n\n11\n00:04:02,796 --> 00:04:23,954\n本期在3月14日邀請了內政部國土署與人民會進行的會議討論。會議中已經有一個方向。內政部國土署建議,原住民色彩以先榮之心見而產生之利息由內政部負責。\n\n12\n00:04:25,115 --> 00:04:50,067\n新建完畢後租金若有因原住民租金降低產生之缺口由內政部負擔。人民會表示必定全力配合建蓋也不希望原住民的社宅變成一般社宅社會福利設施空間應需給予教育語言和文化的傳承效益。部長你認為\n\n13\n00:04:56,301 --> 00:05:22,712\n我也要跟您報告一下這個概念上這有兩個部分第一個是它的屬性是原住民住宅還是是原住民社宅這兩個是有點不太一樣的那社宅的話我們是不希望有任何的標籤化這是一個重點另外是原住民的住宅的話如果是地方政府或者是原民會這邊要興建的話我想我們都是樂觀啟程\n\n14\n00:05:23,672 --> 00:05:26,554\n原民會有建蓋社會住宅的能力嗎?因為社會住宅就是在英文的政策\n\n15\n00:05:50,911 --> 00:06:09,437\n就是按照社會住宅的方案來建改專屬原住民的獨立的一個社會住宅因為文化的不同如果配給對原住民來講的話是對他們是有一個不公平的一個立場為什麼\n\n16\n00:06:10,157 --> 00:06:30,552\n因為他要在他的自己的地方裡面然後旁邊都是害人住的然後我們唱三歌就會有其他的文化的不同的差異然後提出了這樣的一個看法所以我希望內政部責成原民會來共同研究\n\n17\n00:06:33,474 --> 00:06:45,465\n針對有山樹的地方原住民的社會住宅包含臺中的平等段趕快進行能夠在預算上或者是在其他的政治上趕快實施。部長\n\n18\n00:06:49,331 --> 00:06:52,193\n沒有一個說社會住宅說全部統統都是原住民所以這一點要跟你報告沒有你在大會就已經跟我明定的明說的就是你有三個地方\n\n19\n00:07:12,229 --> 00:07:37,738\n三個地方其中一個就是臺中的平等段的殺戮那是就是專屬原住民的專屬那個就是臺中市政府自己蓋的不是自己蓋並沒有自己蓋因為他們的財源因素還是要需要中央的挹注啊所以今天我剛提了你們會中裡面來國土國土署你來回答我\n\n20\n00:07:40,985 --> 00:07:56,398\n社宅的新辦主體地方政府也可以、中央也可以那第二個就是說如果地方政府辦那他所有的這個在非自然性的補助的部分中央都會全力來補助他所以我才會跟委員說其實兩個都可以辦\n\n21\n00:07:58,986 --> 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