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00:02:49,536\n來分別定定他土地使用的容許的項目跟強度讓他就這個合理性跟可行性來做一個審議所以我特別來請到部長或者說我們署長這個地方有沒有可能我們是用這樣的一個模式來解決現在類似的一個問題阿不然時間一個過了問題也還在阿\n\n9\n00:02:53,826 --> 00:03:18,582\n是不是請部長或者署長說明我想先講一個大概就是說鄉村地區的整體規劃的這個機制就是要去解決過去在非都土是土地裡面不當的這個土地利用的問題那這個所以這個是一個機制那它可以解決過去幾十年留下來的比如說在這個剛剛在講礦區或者是說很多原住民族的這個委員\n\n10\n00:03:19,162 --> 00:03:19,362\n所以．\n\n11\n00:03:35,313 --> 00:03:53,706\n所以第二個是但是他可能不會像我們都市計畫裡面說去畫什麼細部的計畫他會透過鄉村地區的整體規劃的部分讓他的相關的一個土地使用去合理化然後也可以讓他回歸這個機制裡面去做檢討\n\n12\n00:03:54,426 --> 00:04:07,082\n所以說署長現在部長的意思就是說我現在就不必再開始在那裡做什麼地目變更了我現在這個機制我就是我這個土地使用管制的一個擬定我現在國土署將您並且讓人來做\n\n13\n00:04:09,465 --> 00:04:27,542\n就可以把全國各縣市現在選舉期間在炒這個問題一次把它解決掉根文報告就是說其實地方也可以畫、狀態也可以畫那現在裡面大概像這個林業林業土地大概是最大就原住民部落跟林業土地是最大的範圍\n\n14\n00:04:28,283 --> 00:04:28,303\n是。\n\n15\n00:04:44,049 --> 00:05:04,037\n都是變成沒有辦法合法像這個大家都知道像嘉義嘉義阿里山地區或者是這個宜蘭都有這類似整個聚落都沒有辦法合法那這些都會在這一次的這個國土計畫裡面去透過這樣的一個檢討那全部來定那有些是地方定那有些地方希望中央來定那這我們兩邊都會來做處理\n\n16\n00:05:06,259 --> 00:05:12,044\n但是我們希望說過去沒有解決的事情再這一次把它解決掉另外本期要來提醒就是說\n\n17\n00:05:17,099 --> 00:05:36,900\n像我們屏東或者說很多啊就是比較農業線的地方甚至於有涉及到很多的原民部落的像在屏東我們除了小溜秋以適用都市計畫來進行以外很多地方就山地尤其是有那麼多的農地沙山外的農地\n\n18\n00:05:38,522 --> 00:06:00,043\n未來各縣市不只說屏東各縣市也同樣那你具有的農民跟原住民權益的一個保障藉這一次的一個推動的時候我們也必須要去顧及到他們原來的一個權益啦在這個地方做一個提醒那另外呢就要來請教部長還是署長都有啦社會住宅我看今天好多\n\n19\n00:06:02,245 --> 00:06:13,942\n委員也去關心到整個租金的一個計價的一個方式到底是用升任別還是用收入別一直以來都大家討論的一個重點所以就來著一個租金的一個收益這個大家也就知道搞不好都都地方政府收起但是問題是現在大家討論的重點就是說\n\n20\n00:06:19,763 --> 00:06:36,254\n其他委員我看也會去建議說內政部是不是可以採用雙軌但我要請教的就是說除了現在的幾個縣市以外加市以外我們這些所謂的雙軌是各縣市自行去決定還是一個縣市裡面我可以採取\n\n21\n00:06:37,395 --> 00:06:49,302\n像比如說我台北市我現在是採取的,像比如說我是收入別那我可不可以同時又去所謂的雙軌市我自己選擇一個還是一個縣市裡面我台北市我可以選擇收入也可以選擇身份其實兩個就是雙軌,兩個都可以都可以,就是說我台北市我可以,不是只有用收入而已他的現況就是收入,他也可以繼續收入他也可以用身份\n\n22\n00:07:02,442 --> 00:07:14,995\n那我就必須要請教就是說一個縣市裡面兩種計畫的一個方式的一個所以部長你的意思就是說就算台北市現在是用收入他也可以選擇用身份\n\n23\n00:07:18,213 --> 00:07:40,469\n我們現在在定的就是將所有的租金的水準整個往下降這個是政策的一個目的現況有三個直轄市新北市上個月才開始採取所謂的收入表桃園跟台北市在過去是採取收入表\n\n24\n00:07:45,593 --> 00:08:09,228\n我們現在是當然我們用三份別的部分去訂一個天花板那只要在這個天花板以下我們都可以這個我們都尊重地方政府的一個選擇好我們最重要的是希望那個負擔不要超過這個我們的天花板比如說就像過去臺北市發生那個民輪國宅那個租金過高的一個問題那在新的制度裡面不會發生\n\n25\n00:08:10,293 --> 00:08:25,971\n我是看到了內政部針對民團的回應的訴求裡面去提到說為了避免錯置且過度的一個補貼所以新版的社會住宅的租金你去分期收費的一個草案裡面你們將採身份而不是所得的一個分期\n\n26\n00:08:27,112 --> 00:08:42,603\n內政部舉台北市為例就說25個社宅裏面有74%的成住戶他的報稅所得低於中低收入的一個標準基本生活的1.5倍那這些成住戶裏面只有15%是社會局認定的低收入或者中低收入也就是說近五成\n\n27\n00:08:44,144 --> 00:09:03,762\n不是具有經濟弱勢的程度卻適用那個低收社會住宅所以內政部可能就實務上認為說出現過度的一個補貼那本期想強調就是說社會住宅除了租給弱勢之外還有很大的一個部分是年輕族群或者說小家庭我們的社會住宅有很大的一個目的就是說\n\n28\n00:09:04,983 --> 00:09:34,315\n昨天你也經常這樣說說要讓這些人從租屋到購屋之間有一個相對低的租屋的一個成本讓他們可以在3加3的年間累積足夠的資本來購屋啊所以內政部你們表示說會維護著既有租屋成租的一個權益但是地方政府又可以依照現行的收費方式來進行那等到原本成租人成租的期限到了以後又依照新的收費的一個方式我擔心的是說你的收費會不會提高\n\n29\n00:09:35,055 --> 00:09:35,315\n主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n49\t609\t委員會主任委員會主任\n21423\t28288\t委員王部長、署長我想幾個問題來請教我們這個整個國土計畫的一個推動這個其實是一個大學問一塊土地到底這塊土地上你要怎麼樣去讓它容許哪一些項目甚至於這塊土地使用的強度到哪裡\n43377\t66528\t這個其實啊確實都是值得好好去做一個省思啦那按照我們整個國土計畫法的一個規定我們那個國土這個公農的一個分區跟分類是指甲市或者各縣市政府按照現行的區域計畫非都市土地使用分區國土計畫法草案等相關規定來進行劃設也就是說齁現在目前就是說由各地方政府你先進行這個劃設然後再交給我們國土署\n70331\t84567\t接下來做確實是可以給各地方政府按照現在各個縣市或者每一個地區裡面真實使用跟未來發展的一個需求可以講說是因地制宜的一個土地使用管制的相關的一個配套那我記得\n86281\t100359\t其實大家很清楚在總統大選前很多人在爭吵甚至於連未來的總統賴富老家的一個問題其實在各個縣市也都存在很多種狀況狀況\n104500\t129800\t也就是說我一直有一個想法就是說我們有沒有可能相關類似的事件那在這一次縣市政府趁這一次去提出相應的一個國土功能的一個分區那據本席的一個了解就是說我們國土署這個地方是不是有一個鄉村地區整體規劃的一個機制那我們藉由土地使用的一個管制的一個擬定也就是說我根本就不需要去變更地木\n130140\t153080\t然後藉由都市計畫然後因地制宜來建立適宜的土地使用的管制的一個規定就類似於說我們在都市計畫裡面的住宅區裡面的我這裡這裡有誰三點這裡有幾點或者因為就是說因為營建我們國土署這邊有細部的計畫容許管制可以按照地區的特性按照各種土地使用分區的一個列別\n154361\t169536\t來分別定定他土地使用的容許的項目跟強度讓他就這個合理性跟可行性來做一個審議所以我特別來請到部長或者說我們署長這個地方有沒有可能我們是用這樣的一個模式來解決現在類似的一個問題阿不然時間一個過了問題也還在阿\n173826\t198582\t是不是請部長或者署長說明我想先講一個大概就是說鄉村地區的整體規劃的這個機制就是要去解決過去在非都土是土地裡面不當的這個土地利用的問題那這個所以這個是一個機制那它可以解決過去幾十年留下來的比如說在這個剛剛在講礦區或者是說很多原住民族的這個委員\n199162\t199362\t所以．\n215313\t233706\t所以第二個是但是他可能不會像我們都市計畫裡面說去畫什麼細部的計畫他會透過鄉村地區的整體規劃的部分讓他的相關的一個土地使用去合理化然後也可以讓他回歸這個機制裡面去做檢討\n234426\t247082\t所以說 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現在部長的意思就是說我現在就不必再開始在那裡做什麼地目變更了我現在這個機制我就是我這個土地使用管制的一個擬定我現在國土署將您並且讓人來做\n249465\t267542\t就可以把全國各縣市現在選舉期間在炒這個問題一次把它解決掉根文報告就是說其實地方也可以畫、狀態也可以畫那現在裡面大概像這個林業林業土地大概是最大就原住民部落跟林業土地是最大的範圍\n268283\t268303\t是。\n284049\t304037\t都是變成沒有辦法合法像這個大家都知道像嘉義嘉義阿里山地區或者是這個宜蘭都有這類似整個聚落都沒有辦法合法那這些都會在這一次的這個國土計畫裡面去透過這樣的一個檢討那全部來定那有些是地方定那有些地方希望中央來定那這我們兩邊都會來做處理\n306259\t312044\t但是我們希望說過去沒有解決的事情再這一次把它解決掉另外本期要來提醒就是說\n317099\t336900\t像我們屏東或者說很多啊就是比較農業線的地方甚至於有涉及到很多的原民部落的像在屏東我們除了小溜秋以適用都市計畫來進行以外很多地方就山地尤其是有那麼多的農地沙山外的農地\n338522\t360043\t未來各縣市不只說屏東各縣市也同樣那你具有的農民跟原住民權益的一個保障藉這一次的一個推動的時候我們也必須要去顧及到他們原來的一個權益啦在這個地方做一個提醒那另外呢就要來請教部長還是署長都有啦社會住宅我看今天好多\n362245\t373942\t委員也去關心到整個租金的一個計價的一個方式到底是用升任別還是用收入別一直以來都大家討論的一個重點所以就來著一個租金的一個收益這個大家也就知道搞不好都都地方政府收起但是問題是現在大家討論的重點就是說\n379763\t396254\t其他委員我看也會去建議說內政部是不是可以採用雙軌但我要請教的就是說除了現在的幾個縣市以外加市以外我們這些所謂的雙軌是各縣市自行去決定還是一個縣市裡面我可以採取\n397395\t409302\t像比如說我台北市我現在是採取的,像比如說我是收入別那我可不可以同時又去所謂的雙軌市我自己選擇一個還是一個縣市裡面我台北市我可以選擇收入也可以選擇身份其實兩個就是雙軌,兩個都可以都可以,就是說我台北市我可以,不是只有用收入而已他的現況就是收入,他也可以繼續收入他也可以用身份\n422442\t434995\t那我就必須要請教就是說一個縣市裡面兩種計畫的一個方式的一個所以部長你的意思就是說就算台北市現在是用收入他也可以選擇用身份\n438213\t460469\t我們現在在定的就是將所有的租金的水準整個往下降這個是政策的一個目的現況有三個直轄市新北市上個月才開始採取所謂的收入表桃園跟台北市在過去是採取收入表\n465593\t489228\t我們現在是當然我們用三份別的部分去訂一個天花板那只要在這個天花板以下我們都可以這個我們都尊重地方政府的一個選擇好我們最重要的是希望那個負擔不要超過這個我們的天花板比如說就像過去臺北市發生那個民輪國宅那個租金過高的一個問題那在新的制度裡面不會發生\n490293\t505971\t我是看到了內政部針對民團的回應的訴求裡面去提到說為了避免錯置且過度的一個補貼所以新版的社會住宅的租金你去分期收費的一個草案裡面你們將採身份而不是所得的一個分期\n507112\t522603\t內政部舉台北市為例就說25個社宅裏面有74%的成住戶他的報稅所得低於中低收入的一個標準基本生活的1.5倍那這些成住戶裏面只有15%是社會局認定的低收入或者中低收入也就是說近五成\n524144\t543762\t不是具有經濟弱勢的程度卻適用那個低收社會住宅所以內政部可能就實務上認為說出現過度的一個補貼那本期想強調就是說社會住宅除了租給弱勢之外還有很大的一個部分是年輕族群或者說小家庭我們的社會住宅有很大的一個目的就是說\n544983\t574315\t昨天你也經常這樣說說要讓這些人從租屋到購屋之間有一個相對低的租屋的一個成本讓他們可以在3加3的年間累積足夠的資本來購屋啊所以內政部你們表示說會維護著既有租屋成租的一個權益但是地方政府又可以依照現行的收費方式來進行那等到原本成租人成租的期限到了以後又依照新的收費的一個方式我擔心的是說你的收費會不會提高\n575055\t575315\t主席\n","txt":"委員會主任委員會主任\n委員王部長、署長我想幾個問題來請教我們這個整個國土計畫的一個推動這個其實是一個大學問一塊土地到底這塊土地上你要怎麼樣去讓它容許哪一些項目甚至於這塊土地使用的強度到哪裡\n這個其實啊確實都是值得好好去做一個省思啦那按照我們整個國土計畫法的一個規定我們那個國土這個公農的一個分區跟分類是指甲市或者各縣市政府按照現行的區域計畫非都市土地使用分區國土計畫法草案等相關規定來進行劃設也就是說齁現在目前就是說由各地方政府你先進行這個劃設然後再交給我們國土署\n接下來做確實是可以給各地方政府按照現在各個縣市或者每一個地區裡面真實使用跟未來發展的一個需求可以講說是因地制宜的一個土地使用管制的相關的一個配套那我記得\n其實大家很清楚在總統大選前很多人在爭吵甚至於連未來的總統賴富老家的一個問題其實在各個縣市也都存在很多種狀況狀況\n也就是說我一直有一個想法就是說我們有沒有可能相關類似的事件那在這一次縣市政府趁這一次去提出相應的一個國土功能的一個分區那據本席的一個了解就是說我們國土署這個地方是不是有一個鄉村地區整體規劃的一個機制那我們藉由土地使用的一個管制的一個擬定也就是說我根本就不需要去變更地木\n然後藉由都市計畫然後因地制宜來建立適宜的土地使用的管制的一個規定就類似於說我們在都市計畫裡面的住宅區裡面的我這裡這裡有誰三點這裡有幾點或者因為就是說因為營建我們國土署這邊有細部的計畫容許管制可以按照地區的特性按照各種土地使用分區的一個列別\n來分別定定他土地使用的容許的項目跟強度讓他就這個合理性跟可行性來做一個審議所以我特別來請到部長或者說我們署長這個地方有沒有可能我們是用這樣的一個模式來解決現在類似的一個問題阿不然時間一個過了問題也還在阿\n是不是請部長或者署長說明我想先講一個大概就是說鄉村地區的整體規劃的這個機制就是要去解決過去在非都土是土地裡面不當的這個土地利用的問題那這個所以這個是一個機制那它可以解決過去幾十年留下來的比如說在這個剛剛在講礦區或者是說很多原住民族的這個委員\n所以．\n所以第二個是但是他可能不會像我們都市計畫裡面說去畫什麼細部的計畫他會透過鄉村地區的整體規劃的部分讓他的相關的一個土地使用去合理化然後也可以讓他回歸這個機制裡面去做檢討\n所以說 署長 現在部長的意思就是說我現在就不必再開始在那裡做什麼地目變更了我現在這個機制我就是我這個土地使用管制的一個擬定我現在國土署將您並且讓人來做\n就可以把全國各縣市現在選舉期間在炒這個問題一次把它解決掉根文報告就是說其實地方也可以畫、狀態也可以畫那現在裡面大概像這個林業林業土地大概是最大就原住民部落跟林業土地是最大的範圍\n是。\n都是變成沒有辦法合法像這個大家都知道像嘉義嘉義阿里山地區或者是這個宜蘭都有這類似整個聚落都沒有辦法合法那這些都會在這一次的這個國土計畫裡面去透過這樣的一個檢討那全部來定那有些是地方定那有些地方希望中央來定那這我們兩邊都會來做處理\n但是我們希望說過去沒有解決的事情再這一次把它解決掉另外本期要來提醒就是說\n像我們屏東或者說很多啊就是比較農業線的地方甚至於有涉及到很多的原民部落的像在屏東我們除了小溜秋以適用都市計畫來進行以外很多地方就山地尤其是有那麼多的農地沙山外的農地\n未來各縣市不只說屏東各縣市也同樣那你具有的農民跟原住民權益的一個保障藉這一次的一個推動的時候我們也必須要去顧及到他們原來的一個權益啦在這個地方做一個提醒那另外呢就要來請教部長還是署長都有啦社會住宅我看今天好多\n委員也去關心到整個租金的一個計價的一個方式到底是用升任別還是用收入別一直以來都大家討論的一個重點所以就來著一個租金的一個收益這個大家也就知道搞不好都都地方政府收起但是問題是現在大家討論的重點就是說\n其他委員我看也會去建議說內政部是不是可以採用雙軌但我要請教的就是說除了現在的幾個縣市以外加市以外我們這些所謂的雙軌是各縣市自行去決定還是一個縣市裡面我可以採取\n像比如說我台北市我現在是採取的,像比如說我是收入別那我可不可以同時又去所謂的雙軌市我自己選擇一個還是一個縣市裡面我台北市我可以選擇收入也可以選擇身份其實兩個就是雙軌,兩個都可以都可以,就是說我台北市我可以,不是只有用收入而已他的現況就是收入,他也可以繼續收入他也可以用身份\n那我就必須要請教就是說一個縣市裡面兩種計畫的一個方式的一個所以部長你的意思就是說就算台北市現在是用收入他也可以選擇用身份\n我們現在在定的就是將所有的租金的水準整個往下降這個是政策的一個目的現況有三個直轄市新北市上個月才開始採取所謂的收入表桃園跟台北市在過去是採取收入表\n我們現在是當然我們用三份別的部分去訂一個天花板那只要在這個天花板以下我們都可以這個我們都尊重地方政府的一個選擇好我們最重要的是希望那個負擔不要超過這個我們的天花板比如說就像過去臺北市發生那個民輪國宅那個租金過高的一個問題那在新的制度裡面不會發生\n我是看到了內政部針對民團的回應的訴求裡面去提到說為了避免錯置且過度的一個補貼所以新版的社會住宅的租金你去分期收費的一個草案裡面你們將採身份而不是所得的一個分期\n內政部舉台北市為例就說25個社宅裏面有74%的成住戶他的報稅所得低於中低收入的一個標準基本生活的1.5倍那這些成住戶裏面只有15%是社會局認定的低收入或者中低收入也就是說近五成\n不是具有經濟弱勢的程度卻適用那個低收社會住宅所以內政部可能就實務上認為說出現過度的一個補貼那本期想強調就是說社會住宅除了租給弱勢之外還有很大的一個部分是年輕族群或者說小家庭我們的社會住宅有很大的一個目的就是說\n昨天你也經常這樣說說要讓這些人從租屋到購屋之間有一個相對低的租屋的一個成本讓他們可以在3加3的年間累積足夠的資本來購屋啊所以內政部你們表示說會維護著既有租屋成租的一個權益但是地方政府又可以依照現行的收費方式來進行那等到原本成租人成租的期限到了以後又依照新的收費的一個方式我擔心的是說你的收費會不會提高\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.049 --> 00:00.609\n委員會主任委員會主任\n\n00:21.423 --> 00:28.288\n委員王部長、署長我想幾個問題來請教我們這個整個國土計畫的一個推動這個其實是一個大學問一塊土地到底這塊土地上你要怎麼樣去讓它容許哪一些項目甚至於這塊土地使用的強度到哪裡\n\n00:43.377 --> 01:06.528\n這個其實啊確實都是值得好好去做一個省思啦那按照我們整個國土計畫法的一個規定我們那個國土這個公農的一個分區跟分類是指甲市或者各縣市政府按照現行的區域計畫非都市土地使用分區國土計畫法草案等相關規定來進行劃設也就是說齁現在目前就是說由各地方政府你先進行這個劃設然後再交給我們國土署\n\n01:10.331 --> 01:24.567\n接下來做確實是可以給各地方政府按照現在各個縣市或者每一個地區裡面真實使用跟未來發展的一個需求可以講說是因地制宜的一個土地使用管制的相關的一個配套那我記得\n\n01:26.281 --> 01:40.359\n其實大家很清楚在總統大選前很多人在爭吵甚至於連未來的總統賴富老家的一個問題其實在各個縣市也都存在很多種狀況狀況\n\n01:44.500 --> 02:09.800\n也就是說我一直有一個想法就是說我們有沒有可能相關類似的事件那在這一次縣市政府趁這一次去提出相應的一個國土功能的一個分區那據本席的一個了解就是說我們國土署這個地方是不是有一個鄉村地區整體規劃的一個機制那我們藉由土地使用的一個管制的一個擬定也就是說我根本就不需要去變更地木\n\n02:10.140 --> 02:33.080\n然後藉由都市計畫然後因地制宜來建立適宜的土地使用的管制的一個規定就類似於說我們在都市計畫裡面的住宅區裡面的我這裡這裡有誰三點這裡有幾點或者因為就是說因為營建我們國土署這邊有細部的計畫容許管制可以按照地區的特性按照各種土地使用分區的一個列別\n\n02:34.361 --> 02:49.536\n來分別定定他土地使用的容許的項目跟強度讓他就這個合理性跟可行性來做一個審議所以我特別來請到部長或者說我們署長這個地方有沒有可能我們是用這樣的一個模式來解決現在類似的一個問題阿不然時間一個過了問題也還在阿\n\n02:53.826 --> 03:18.582\n是不是請部長或者署長說明我想先講一個大概就是說鄉村地區的整體規劃的這個機制就是要去解決過去在非都土是土地裡面不當的這個土地利用的問題那這個所以這個是一個機制那它可以解決過去幾十年留下來的比如說在這個剛剛在講礦區或者是說很多原住民族的這個委員\n\n03:19.162 --> 03:19.362\n所以．\n\n03:35.313 --> 03:53.706\n所以第二個是但是他可能不會像我們都市計畫裡面說去畫什麼細部的計畫他會透過鄉村地區的整體規劃的部分讓他的相關的一個土地使用去合理化然後也可以讓他回歸這個機制裡面去做檢討\n\n03:54.426 --> 04:07.082\n所以說署長現在部長的意思就是說我現在就不必再開始在那裡做什麼地目變更了我現在這個機制我就是我這個土地使用管制的一個擬定我現在國土署將您並且讓人來做\n\n04:09.465 --> 04:27.542\n就可以把全國各縣市現在選舉期間在炒這個問題一次把它解決掉根文報告就是說其實地方也可以畫、狀態也可以畫那現在裡面大概像這個林業林業土地大概是最大就原住民部落跟林業土地是最大的範圍\n\n04:28.283 --> 04:28.303\n是。\n\n04:44.049 --> 05:04.037\n都是變成沒有辦法合法像這個大家都知道像嘉義嘉義阿里山地區或者是這個宜蘭都有這類似整個聚落都沒有辦法合法那這些都會在這一次的這個國土計畫裡面去透過這樣的一個檢討那全部來定那有些是地方定那有些地方希望中央來定那這我們兩邊都會來做處理\n\n05:06.259 --> 05:12.044\n但是我們希望說過去沒有解決的事情再這一次把它解決掉另外本期要來提醒就是說\n\n05:17.099 --> 05:36.900\n像我們屏東或者說很多啊就是比較農業線的地方甚至於有涉及到很多的原民部落的像在屏東我們除了小溜秋以適用都市計畫來進行以外很多地方就山地尤其是有那麼多的農地沙山外的農地\n\n05:38.522 --> 06:00.043\n未來各縣市不只說屏東各縣市也同樣那你具有的農民跟原住民權益的一個保障藉這一次的一個推動的時候我們也必須要去顧及到他們原來的一個權益啦在這個地方做一個提醒那另外呢就要來請教部長還是署長都有啦社會住宅我看今天好多\n\n06:02.245 --> 06:13.942\n委員也去關心到整個租金的一個計價的一個方式到底是用升任別還是用收入別一直以來都大家討論的一個重點所以就來著一個租金的一個收益這個大家也就知道搞不好都都地方政府收起但是問題是現在大家討論的重點就是說\n\n06:19.763 --> 06:36.254\n其他委員我看也會去建議說內政部是不是可以採用雙軌但我要請教的就是說除了現在的幾個縣市以外加市以外我們這些所謂的雙軌是各縣市自行去決定還是一個縣市裡面我可以採取\n\n06:37.395 --> 06:49.302\n像比如說我台北市我現在是採取的,像比如說我是收入別那我可不可以同時又去所謂的雙軌市我自己選擇一個還是一個縣市裡面我台北市我可以選擇收入也可以選擇身份其實兩個就是雙軌,兩個都可以都可以,就是說我台北市我可以,不是只有用收入而已他的現況就是收入,他也可以繼續收入他也可以用身份\n\n07:02.442 --> 07:14.995\n那我就必須要請教就是說一個縣市裡面兩種計畫的一個方式的一個所以部長你的意思就是說就算台北市現在是用收入他也可以選擇用身份\n\n07:18.213 --> 07:40.469\n我們現在在定的就是將所有的租金的水準整個往下降這個是政策的一個目的現況有三個直轄市新北市上個月才開始採取所謂的收入表桃園跟台北市在過去是採取收入表\n\n07:45.593 --> 08:09.228\n我們現在是當然我們用三份別的部分去訂一個天花板那只要在這個天花板以下我們都可以這個我們都尊重地方政府的一個選擇好我們最重要的是希望那個負擔不要超過這個我們的天花板比如說就像過去臺北市發生那個民輪國宅那個租金過高的一個問題那在新的制度裡面不會發生\n\n08:10.293 --> 08:25.971\n我是看到了內政部針對民團的回應的訴求裡面去提到說為了避免錯置且過度的一個補貼所以新版的社會住宅的租金你去分期收費的一個草案裡面你們將採身份而不是所得的一個分期\n\n08:27.112 --> 08:42.603\n內政部舉台北市為例就說25個社宅裏面有74%的成住戶他的報稅所得低於中低收入的一個標準基本生活的1.5倍那這些成住戶裏面只有15%是社會局認定的低收入或者中低收入也就是說近五成\n\n08:44.144 --> 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