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00:01:29,637\n媒體居然是這樣報導我想這可能有一些誤解跟誤會第一個是什麼叫做可負擔其實中央的一個政策跟民團還有大家其實基本上都是一致的第一個就是這個讓社會住宅的一個租金能夠降低然後是大家可以負擔的\n\n5\n00:01:29,977 --> 00:01:52,325\n第二個就是照顧低薪的青年還有這個我們都希望能夠讓租金更低一點就打可負擔的部分但只是現在在聚焦的是說以前是所得所得分級現在要用身份分級那我剛剛看到你的理由好像目前是因為相對來講我們的政策推動比較方便還是說我們的認定比較方便\n\n6\n00:01:52,705 --> 00:01:54,226\n為什麼把整個的租金的收入能夠大幅的降低\n\n7\n00:02:21,266 --> 00:02:38,682\n最重要的第一個在過去我們居住的這個負擔一般來定是在收入的30%視為是可負擔那我們這一次在計算基準我們整個把30%直接降到20%也就是減少了大概33.3%左右這是一個很大的降幅\n\n8\n00:02:38,982 --> 00:03:01,819\n但是我想請教會不會發生如同我在媒體上報導看到的就是以前所得別分級的時候他的租金相對比較低但是用身分別認定的時候因為他們兩個都是一樣的身分別反而一個要繳比較高的租金一個要可以繳比較低的租金其實不會有這個問題我們的建議是我們的意見是說如果他現在台北市他是使用身分別\n\n9\n00:03:02,059 --> 00:03:25,098\n如果未來他是使用所得別的話﹖他未來要繼續使用所得別﹖這個我們尊重﹖但是他的這個租金的收入﹖也是尊重地方政府﹖對﹖他不可以﹖地方政府的處理﹖對﹖他不可以超過我們剛剛講的那個﹖訂的那個天花板的一個水準﹖好﹖這樣子就不會發生像過去那個輪輪設宅的這個問題﹖我們住都中心所管理的這些設宅哩﹖\n\n10\n00:03:26,052 --> 00:03:45,421\n以後未來都會統一改成身分別嗎?我們本來現在就是用身分別現在就是所以我們住都中心的部分也不會有這個問題好部長我再來請教一下本期當然還是希望是說在社宅的部分能夠以最大的一個力道能夠支持我們所有的弱勢族群跟青年朋友\n\n11\n00:03:46,201 --> 00:04:08,640\n好再來請教一下就是關於我本期的這個選區領口計畫特定保護區啊其實過去一直大家都有在提到就是說雖然內政部有承諾我在禮拜一的時候領體有講到中央地方要來趕快加速做這個通常檢討但是民眾更關心說他有在保護區裡面到民宅修繕整修以及規劃大方向到底是什麼\n\n12\n00:04:09,341 --> 00:04:35,315\n有沒有一個具體明確的部分告訴民眾說什麼東西能做什麼都不能做?簡單說明好不好?因為原來在保護區裡面他當然是依照保護區的容許使用那第二個就是說對於保護區就是林口特令區的話其實現在我們也有在作業就是說新北跟桃園都希望有能夠回歸地方這我們也在做\n\n13\n00:04:35,895 --> 00:04:53,130\n因為回歸地方他還可以有一點因地制宜性這部分都持續在作業當中因為最新的我們在這個月也才剛開過會希望解除雙方要分開的時候的一些作業上的疑慮這部分我們會持續來做到時候可以還給地方政府比較大的一個彈線\n\n14\n00:04:54,022 --> 00:05:07,615\n但地方這邊也傳出說中央主導的力道會比較強地方政府反而沒有因為法規的關係而沒有比較無能為力應該是這麼說啦因為今天保護區的想要去變更想要去修正本來就是比較困難的\n\n15\n00:05:10,457 --> 00:05:34,196\n第二個但是你原有的合法使用或是原有使用想要修繕這個部分的容許條件是可以是可以去談因為畢竟有一些的確是在當地是比較久的但是可能會有一些是期待他要直接去做變更那這個部分的確已經涉及到長期整個中央政府跟地方政府已經既有的一個管制條件這個部分我想在審查上還是相對會比較嚴格沒有錯\n\n16\n00:05:34,716 --> 00:05:50,684\n也是會比較嚴格對但是他若有一些現況要容許使用的那這當然是還可以來討論但那是不是一般來講我說實在話本席每一次到了地方都覺得說地方的民眾對於我們中央的這個說明或是宣導其實都遠遠不及啊\n\n17\n00:05:52,105 --> 00:06:08,953\n所以很多民眾都告訴我們是說不管是他們要整修他們要修繕他們要規劃好像都被綁死了甚至你這邊還有提到是說有人講說可以依照第27條多事計畫法27條做專案變更但實際上根本不可行\n\n18\n00:06:10,513 --> 00:06:38,065\n對嗎?一般的民眾要走這一條其實是根本...我根本報告因為保護區大致上除了這個興建相關的公共設施以外基本上可能都要經過通盤檢討才有辦法去檢討這個項目它不太適用個案變更的方式最後一點部長我再請教一下我們淡水淡海新市鎮這邊二期的開發其實之前也有跟地方政府有溝通那本期其實最關注的重點在於是\n\n19\n00:06:39,085 --> 00:07:00,078\n在這個禮拜一我的臨時提案也有提出來殺人路二段40米的道路則主幹道應該要先把它打通打通之後才能夠有後續整個想像跟發展也才能夠有誘因讓比較多的其他的不管是業界不管是其他的這些民眾想要來進駐\n\n20\n00:07:01,239 --> 00:07:27,925\n這一點的部分能不能具體給一個承諾跟委員報告啦其實我們淡海二期的這個規劃已經進行作業了那這中間也跟公路局都有進行協調那基本上在我們範圍外的公路局已經確定他會納入他的計畫去試圖做拓寬但我們現在講的是範圍內範圍內可能就是要跟委員報告徵收不是不可行但是比較擔心是民眾如果他堅持要納入去亂徵收\n\n21\n00:07:30,086 --> 00:07:56,178\n重點是你們要去推動啊你們要去地方說明會你們要去告訴民眾到底你們的方案以及重點在於是沙崙路二段為什麼本席那麼的重視這一條路是因為2025年淡江大橋即將就要完工了當淡江大橋即將完工之後所有的車流量要嘛就是從巴里端這邊來到了淡海新市鎮它有可能是往原本的舊市區有可能是往三芝方向\n\n22\n00:07:56,618 --> 00:08:09,029\n那往三次方向的話就馬上面臨到這個淡海新市政二期的一個開發嗎?跟委員報告我們在上個月底已經有在行政院還有開過會確認那我講我們淡海二期的規劃還有它的未來的開發方式跟作業的期程我們在今年會加速的趕快來提出來\n\n23\n00:08:16,835 --> 00:08:16,995\n部長,因為你\n\n24\n00:08:32,577 --> 00:08:47,592\n我之前當過地方父母官所以本席是以一個地方民眾的心聲很沉痛的要來跟內政委員會來跟您說明因為淡海新市政從20幾年前30年前那個時候政府給了一個大餅\n\n25\n00:09:12,132 --> 00:09:29,898\n您剛提到交通問題要先處理主幹道要先打通主幹道要先出來你才有辦法來活絡以及規劃後續大海新市二期這個我會納入整體規劃好那就拜託部長以及署長這邊念茲在茲把他放在第一優先順位好嗎好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12039\t14701\t我們再請李永昌部長跟我們國土署署長\n18872\t47454\t來部長我follow剛剛專瑞雄委員的一個問題喔因為本席昨天也看到有新聞媒體報導就直接講啊就他用試算還用試算AB兩者的概念啊講說涉宅如果說過去是用身分別過去是用這個所得別來分級的話他的租金可能是A多少B多少但如果說之後用身分別的話因為他們兩個都是一樣的身分反而會造成他們兩個的這個租金一個會比較低一個會比較高\n48314\t69712\t我想請教你剛剛有講到一個所謂的天花板我們都是希望是說社會住宅能夠讓不管是年輕的族群不管是弱勢的族群能夠在有一個比較終極的過程當中3加3的過程裡面能夠趕快累積自己的資本能夠找到一個永久的一個居住的地點所以問題來了到底是誰說有道理\n70573\t89637\t媒體居然是這樣報導我想這可能有一些誤解跟誤會第一個是什麼叫做可負擔其實中央的一個政策跟民團還有大家其實基本上都是一致的第一個就是這個讓社會住宅的一個租金能夠降低然後是大家可以負擔的\n89977\t112325\t第二個就是照顧低薪的青年還有這個我們都希望能夠讓租金更低一點就打可負擔的部分但只是現在在聚焦的是說以前是所得所得分級現在要用身份分級那我剛剛看到你的理由好像目前是因為相對來講我們的政策推動比較方便還是說我們的認定比較方便\n112705\t114226\t為什麼把整個的租金的收入能夠大幅的降低\n141266\t158682\t最重要的第一個在過去我們居住的這個負擔一般來定是在收入的30%視為是可負擔那我們這一次在計算基準我們整個把30%直接降到20%也就是減少了大概33.3%左右這是一個很大的降幅\n158982\t181819\t但是我想請教會不會發生如同我在媒體上報導看到的就是以前所得別分級的時候他的租金相對比較低但是用身分別認定的時候因為他們兩個都是一樣的身分別反而一個要繳比較高的租金一個要可以繳比較低的租金其實不會有這個問題我們的建議是我們的意見是說如果他現在台北市他是使用身分別\n182059\t205098\t如果未來他是使用所得別的話﹖他未來要繼續使用所得別﹖這個我們尊重﹖但是他的這個租金的收入﹖也是尊重地方政府﹖對﹖他不可以﹖地方政府的處理﹖對﹖他不可以超過我們剛剛講的那個﹖訂的那個天花板的一個水準﹖好﹖這樣子就不會發生像過去那個輪輪設宅的這個問題﹖我們住都中心所管理的這些設宅哩﹖\n206052\t225421\t以後未來都會統一改成身分別嗎?我們本來現在就是用身分別現在就是所以我們住都中心的部分也不會有這個問題好 部長我再來請教一下本期當然還是希望是說在社宅的部分能夠以最大的一個力道能夠支持我們所有的弱勢族群跟青年朋友\n226201\t248640\t好再來請教一下就是關於我本期的這個選區領口計畫特定保護區啊其實過去一直大家都有在提到就是說雖然內政部有承諾我在禮拜一的時候領體有講到中央地方要來趕快加速做這個通常檢討但是民眾更關心說他有在保護區裡面到民宅修繕整修以及規劃大方向到底是什麼\n249341\t275315\t有沒有一個具體明確的部分告訴民眾說什麼東西能做什麼都不能做?簡單說明好不好?因為原來在保護區裡面他當然是依照保護區的容許使用那第二個就是說對於保護區就是林口特令區的話其實現在我們也有在作業就是說新北跟桃園都希望有能夠回歸地方這我們也在做\n275895\t293130\t因為回歸地方他還可以有一點因地制宜性這部分都持續在作業當中因為最新的我們在這個月也才剛開過會希望解除雙方要分開的時候的一些作業上的疑慮這部分我們會持續來做到時候可以還給地方政府比較大的一個彈線\n294022\t307615\t但地方這邊也傳出說中央主導的力道會比較強地方政府反而沒有因為法規的關係而沒有比較無能為力應該是這麼說啦因為今天保護區的想要去變更想要去修正本來就是比較困難的\n310457\t334196\t第二個但是你原有的合法使用或是原有使用想要修繕這個部分的容許條件是可以是可以去談因為畢竟有一些的確是在當地是比較久的但是可能會有一些是期待他要直接去做變更那這個部分的確已經涉及到長期整個中央政府跟地方政府已經既有的一個管制條件這個部分我想在審查上還是相對會比較嚴格沒有錯\n334716\t350684\t也是會比較嚴格對但是他若有一些現況要容許使用的那這當然是還可以來討論但那是不是一般來講我說實在話本席每一次到了地方都覺得說地方的民眾對於我們中央的這個說明或是宣導其實都遠遠不及啊\n352105\t368953\t所以很多民眾都告訴我們是說不管是他們要整修他們要修繕他們要規劃好像都被綁死了甚至你這邊還有提到是說有人講說可以依照第27條多事計畫法27條做專案變更但實際上根本不可行\n370513\t398065\t對嗎?一般的民眾要走這一條其實是根本...我根本報告因為保護區大致上除了這個興建相關的公共設施以外基本上可能都要經過通盤檢討才有辦法去檢討這個項目它不太適用個案變更的方式最後一點部長我再請教一下我們淡水淡海新市鎮這邊二期的開發其實之前也有跟地方政府有溝通那本期其實最關注的重點在於是\n399085\t420078\t在這個禮拜一我的臨時提案也有提出來殺人路二段40米的道路則主幹道應該要先把它打通打通之後才能夠有後續整個想像跟發展也才能夠有誘因讓比較多的其他的不管是業界不管是其他的這些民眾想要來進駐\n421239\t447925\t這一點的部分能不能具體給一個承諾跟委員報告啦其實我們淡海二期的這個規劃已經進行作業了那這中間也跟公路局都有進行協調那基本上在我們範圍外的公路局已經確定他會納入他的計畫去試圖做拓寬但我們現在講的是範圍內範圍內可能就是要跟委員報告徵收不是不可行但是比較擔心是民眾如果他堅持要納入去亂徵收\n450086\t476178\t重點是你們要去推動啊你們要去地方說明會你們要去告訴民眾到底你們的方案以及重點在於是沙崙路二段為什麼本席那麼的重視這一條路是因為2025年淡江大橋即將就要完工了當淡江大橋即將完工之後所有的車流量要嘛就是從巴里端這邊來到了淡海新市鎮它有可能是往原本的舊市區有可能是往三芝方向\n476618\t489029\t那往三次方向的話就馬上面臨到這個淡海新市政二期的一個開發嗎?跟委員報告我們在上個月底已經有在行政院還有開過會確認那我講我們淡海二期的規劃還有它的未來的開發方式跟作業的期程我們在今年會加速的趕快來提出來\n496835\t496995\t部長,因為你\n512577\t527592\t我之前當過地方父母官所以本席是以一個地方民眾的心聲很沉痛的要來跟內政委員會來跟您說明因為淡海新市政從20幾年前30年前那個時候政府給了一個大餅\n528353\t551852\t﹗\n552132\t569898\t您剛提到交通問題要先處理主幹道要先打通主幹道要先出來你才有辦法來活絡以及規劃後續大海新市二期這個我會納入整體規劃好那就拜託部長以及署長這邊念茲在茲把他放在第一優先順位好嗎好謝謝\n","txt":"我們再請李永昌部長跟我們國土署署長\n來部長我follow剛剛專瑞雄委員的一個問題喔因為本席昨天也看到有新聞媒體報導就直接講啊就他用試算還用試算AB兩者的概念啊講說涉宅如果說過去是用身分別過去是用這個所得別來分級的話他的租金可能是A多少B多少但如果說之後用身分別的話因為他們兩個都是一樣的身分反而會造成他們兩個的這個租金一個會比較低一個會比較高\n我想請教你剛剛有講到一個所謂的天花板我們都是希望是說社會住宅能夠讓不管是年輕的族群不管是弱勢的族群能夠在有一個比較終極的過程當中3加3的過程裡面能夠趕快累積自己的資本能夠找到一個永久的一個居住的地點所以問題來了到底是誰說有道理\n媒體居然是這樣報導我想這可能有一些誤解跟誤會第一個是什麼叫做可負擔其實中央的一個政策跟民團還有大家其實基本上都是一致的第一個就是這個讓社會住宅的一個租金能夠降低然後是大家可以負擔的\n第二個就是照顧低薪的青年還有這個我們都希望能夠讓租金更低一點就打可負擔的部分但只是現在在聚焦的是說以前是所得所得分級現在要用身份分級那我剛剛看到你的理由好像目前是因為相對來講我們的政策推動比較方便還是說我們的認定比較方便\n為什麼把整個的租金的收入能夠大幅的降低\n最重要的第一個在過去我們居住的這個負擔一般來定是在收入的30%視為是可負擔那我們這一次在計算基準我們整個把30%直接降到20%也就是減少了大概33.3%左右這是一個很大的降幅\n但是我想請教會不會發生如同我在媒體上報導看到的就是以前所得別分級的時候他的租金相對比較低但是用身分別認定的時候因為他們兩個都是一樣的身分別反而一個要繳比較高的租金一個要可以繳比較低的租金其實不會有這個問題我們的建議是我們的意見是說如果他現在台北市他是使用身分別\n如果未來他是使用所得別的話﹖他未來要繼續使用所得別﹖這個我們尊重﹖但是他的這個租金的收入﹖也是尊重地方政府﹖對﹖他不可以﹖地方政府的處理﹖對﹖他不可以超過我們剛剛講的那個﹖訂的那個天花板的一個水準﹖好﹖這樣子就不會發生像過去那個輪輪設宅的這個問題﹖我們住都中心所管理的這些設宅哩﹖\n以後未來都會統一改成身分別嗎?我們本來現在就是用身分別現在就是所以我們住都中心的部分也不會有這個問題好 部長我再來請教一下本期當然還是希望是說在社宅的部分能夠以最大的一個力道能夠支持我們所有的弱勢族群跟青年朋友\n好再來請教一下就是關於我本期的這個選區領口計畫特定保護區啊其實過去一直大家都有在提到就是說雖然內政部有承諾我在禮拜一的時候領體有講到中央地方要來趕快加速做這個通常檢討但是民眾更關心說他有在保護區裡面到民宅修繕整修以及規劃大方向到底是什麼\n有沒有一個具體明確的部分告訴民眾說什麼東西能做什麼都不能做?簡單說明好不好?因為原來在保護區裡面他當然是依照保護區的容許使用那第二個就是說對於保護區就是林口特令區的話其實現在我們也有在作業就是說新北跟桃園都希望有能夠回歸地方這我們也在做\n因為回歸地方他還可以有一點因地制宜性這部分都持續在作業當中因為最新的我們在這個月也才剛開過會希望解除雙方要分開的時候的一些作業上的疑慮這部分我們會持續來做到時候可以還給地方政府比較大的一個彈線\n但地方這邊也傳出說中央主導的力道會比較強地方政府反而沒有因為法規的關係而沒有比較無能為力應該是這麼說啦因為今天保護區的想要去變更想要去修正本來就是比較困難的\n第二個但是你原有的合法使用或是原有使用想要修繕這個部分的容許條件是可以是可以去談因為畢竟有一些的確是在當地是比較久的但是可能會有一些是期待他要直接去做變更那這個部分的確已經涉及到長期整個中央政府跟地方政府已經既有的一個管制條件這個部分我想在審查上還是相對會比較嚴格沒有錯\n也是會比較嚴格對但是他若有一些現況要容許使用的那這當然是還可以來討論但那是不是一般來講我說實在話本席每一次到了地方都覺得說地方的民眾對於我們中央的這個說明或是宣導其實都遠遠不及啊\n所以很多民眾都告訴我們是說不管是他們要整修他們要修繕他們要規劃好像都被綁死了甚至你這邊還有提到是說有人講說可以依照第27條多事計畫法27條做專案變更但實際上根本不可行\n對嗎?一般的民眾要走這一條其實是根本...我根本報告因為保護區大致上除了這個興建相關的公共設施以外基本上可能都要經過通盤檢討才有辦法去檢討這個項目它不太適用個案變更的方式最後一點部長我再請教一下我們淡水淡海新市鎮這邊二期的開發其實之前也有跟地方政府有溝通那本期其實最關注的重點在於是\n在這個禮拜一我的臨時提案也有提出來殺人路二段40米的道路則主幹道應該要先把它打通打通之後才能夠有後續整個想像跟發展也才能夠有誘因讓比較多的其他的不管是業界不管是其他的這些民眾想要來進駐\n這一點的部分能不能具體給一個承諾跟委員報告啦其實我們淡海二期的這個規劃已經進行作業了那這中間也跟公路局都有進行協調那基本上在我們範圍外的公路局已經確定他會納入他的計畫去試圖做拓寬但我們現在講的是範圍內範圍內可能就是要跟委員報告徵收不是不可行但是比較擔心是民眾如果他堅持要納入去亂徵收\n重點是你們要去推動啊你們要去地方說明會你們要去告訴民眾到底你們的方案以及重點在於是沙崙路二段為什麼本席那麼的重視這一條路是因為2025年淡江大橋即將就要完工了當淡江大橋即將完工之後所有的車流量要嘛就是從巴里端這邊來到了淡海新市鎮它有可能是往原本的舊市區有可能是往三芝方向\n那往三次方向的話就馬上面臨到這個淡海新市政二期的一個開發嗎?跟委員報告我們在上個月底已經有在行政院還有開過會確認那我講我們淡海二期的規劃還有它的未來的開發方式跟作業的期程我們在今年會加速的趕快來提出來\n部長,因為你\n我之前當過地方父母官所以本席是以一個地方民眾的心聲很沉痛的要來跟內政委員會來跟您說明因為淡海新市政從20幾年前30年前那個時候政府給了一個大餅\n﹗\n您剛提到交通問題要先處理主幹道要先打通主幹道要先出來你才有辦法來活絡以及規劃後續大海新市二期這個我會納入整體規劃好那就拜託部長以及署長這邊念茲在茲把他放在第一優先順位好嗎好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.039 --> 00:14.701\n我們再請李永昌部長跟我們國土署署長\n\n00:18.872 --> 00:47.454\n來部長我follow剛剛專瑞雄委員的一個問題喔因為本席昨天也看到有新聞媒體報導就直接講啊就他用試算還用試算AB兩者的概念啊講說涉宅如果說過去是用身分別過去是用這個所得別來分級的話他的租金可能是A多少B多少但如果說之後用身分別的話因為他們兩個都是一樣的身分反而會造成他們兩個的這個租金一個會比較低一個會比較高\n\n00:48.314 --> 01:09.712\n我想請教你剛剛有講到一個所謂的天花板我們都是希望是說社會住宅能夠讓不管是年輕的族群不管是弱勢的族群能夠在有一個比較終極的過程當中3加3的過程裡面能夠趕快累積自己的資本能夠找到一個永久的一個居住的地點所以問題來了到底是誰說有道理\n\n01:10.573 --> 01:29.637\n媒體居然是這樣報導我想這可能有一些誤解跟誤會第一個是什麼叫做可負擔其實中央的一個政策跟民團還有大家其實基本上都是一致的第一個就是這個讓社會住宅的一個租金能夠降低然後是大家可以負擔的\n\n01:29.977 --> 01:52.325\n第二個就是照顧低薪的青年還有這個我們都希望能夠讓租金更低一點就打可負擔的部分但只是現在在聚焦的是說以前是所得所得分級現在要用身份分級那我剛剛看到你的理由好像目前是因為相對來講我們的政策推動比較方便還是說我們的認定比較方便\n\n01:52.705 --> 01:54.226\n為什麼把整個的租金的收入能夠大幅的降低\n\n02:21.266 --> 02:38.682\n最重要的第一個在過去我們居住的這個負擔一般來定是在收入的30%視為是可負擔那我們這一次在計算基準我們整個把30%直接降到20%也就是減少了大概33.3%左右這是一個很大的降幅\n\n02:38.982 --> 03:01.819\n但是我想請教會不會發生如同我在媒體上報導看到的就是以前所得別分級的時候他的租金相對比較低但是用身分別認定的時候因為他們兩個都是一樣的身分別反而一個要繳比較高的租金一個要可以繳比較低的租金其實不會有這個問題我們的建議是我們的意見是說如果他現在台北市他是使用身分別\n\n03:02.059 --> 03:25.098\n如果未來他是使用所得別的話﹖他未來要繼續使用所得別﹖這個我們尊重﹖但是他的這個租金的收入﹖也是尊重地方政府﹖對﹖他不可以﹖地方政府的處理﹖對﹖他不可以超過我們剛剛講的那個﹖訂的那個天花板的一個水準﹖好﹖這樣子就不會發生像過去那個輪輪設宅的這個問題﹖我們住都中心所管理的這些設宅哩﹖\n\n03:26.052 --> 03:45.421\n以後未來都會統一改成身分別嗎?我們本來現在就是用身分別現在就是所以我們住都中心的部分也不會有這個問題好部長我再來請教一下本期當然還是希望是說在社宅的部分能夠以最大的一個力道能夠支持我們所有的弱勢族群跟青年朋友\n\n03:46.201 --> 04:08.640\n好再來請教一下就是關於我本期的這個選區領口計畫特定保護區啊其實過去一直大家都有在提到就是說雖然內政部有承諾我在禮拜一的時候領體有講到中央地方要來趕快加速做這個通常檢討但是民眾更關心說他有在保護區裡面到民宅修繕整修以及規劃大方向到底是什麼\n\n04:09.341 --> 04:35.315\n有沒有一個具體明確的部分告訴民眾說什麼東西能做什麼都不能做?簡單說明好不好?因為原來在保護區裡面他當然是依照保護區的容許使用那第二個就是說對於保護區就是林口特令區的話其實現在我們也有在作業就是說新北跟桃園都希望有能夠回歸地方這我們也在做\n\n04:35.895 --> 04:53.130\n因為回歸地方他還可以有一點因地制宜性這部分都持續在作業當中因為最新的我們在這個月也才剛開過會希望解除雙方要分開的時候的一些作業上的疑慮這部分我們會持續來做到時候可以還給地方政府比較大的一個彈線\n\n04:54.022 --> 05:07.615\n但地方這邊也傳出說中央主導的力道會比較強地方政府反而沒有因為法規的關係而沒有比較無能為力應該是這麼說啦因為今天保護區的想要去變更想要去修正本來就是比較困難的\n\n05:10.457 --> 05:34.196\n第二個但是你原有的合法使用或是原有使用想要修繕這個部分的容許條件是可以是可以去談因為畢竟有一些的確是在當地是比較久的但是可能會有一些是期待他要直接去做變更那這個部分的確已經涉及到長期整個中央政府跟地方政府已經既有的一個管制條件這個部分我想在審查上還是相對會比較嚴格沒有錯\n\n05:34.716 --> 05:50.684\n也是會比較嚴格對但是他若有一些現況要容許使用的那這當然是還可以來討論但那是不是一般來講我說實在話本席每一次到了地方都覺得說地方的民眾對於我們中央的這個說明或是宣導其實都遠遠不及啊\n\n05:52.105 --> 06:08.953\n所以很多民眾都告訴我們是說不管是他們要整修他們要修繕他們要規劃好像都被綁死了甚至你這邊還有提到是說有人講說可以依照第27條多事計畫法27條做專案變更但實際上根本不可行\n\n06:10.513 --> 06:38.065\n對嗎?一般的民眾要走這一條其實是根本...我根本報告因為保護區大致上除了這個興建相關的公共設施以外基本上可能都要經過通盤檢討才有辦法去檢討這個項目它不太適用個案變更的方式最後一點部長我再請教一下我們淡水淡海新市鎮這邊二期的開發其實之前也有跟地方政府有溝通那本期其實最關注的重點在於是\n\n06:39.085 --> 07:00.078\n在這個禮拜一我的臨時提案也有提出來殺人路二段40米的道路則主幹道應該要先把它打通打通之後才能夠有後續整個想像跟發展也才能夠有誘因讓比較多的其他的不管是業界不管是其他的這些民眾想要來進駐\n\n07:01.239 --> 07:27.925\n這一點的部分能不能具體給一個承諾跟委員報告啦其實我們淡海二期的這個規劃已經進行作業了那這中間也跟公路局都有進行協調那基本上在我們範圍外的公路局已經確定他會納入他的計畫去試圖做拓寬但我們現在講的是範圍內範圍內可能就是要跟委員報告徵收不是不可行但是比較擔心是民眾如果他堅持要納入去亂徵收\n\n07:30.086 --> 07:56.178\n重點是你們要去推動啊你們要去地方說明會你們要去告訴民眾到底你們的方案以及重點在於是沙崙路二段為什麼本席那麼的重視這一條路是因為2025年淡江大橋即將就要完工了當淡江大橋即將完工之後所有的車流量要嘛就是從巴里端這邊來到了淡海新市鎮它有可能是往原本的舊市區有可能是往三芝方向\n\n07:56.618 --> 08:09.029\n那往三次方向的話就馬上面臨到這個淡海新市政二期的一個開發嗎?跟委員報告我們在上個月底已經有在行政院還有開過會確認那我講我們淡海二期的規劃還有它的未來的開發方式跟作業的期程我們在今年會加速的趕快來提出來\n\n08:16.835 --> 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