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00:01:15,219\n現在去太平島比較好還是等到新總統上任以後去太平島比較好我是覺得這個事情很坦誠的跟委員報告就是這個事情我們必須要去思考到整體的情勢所以我們在從事這個比較重要的工作之前一定要去理解到底符合不符合我們的國家利益這樣子你是想說未來不是你的事情所以\n\n4\n00:01:17,444 --> 00:01:27,223\n你當然是期待新總統去,不會變成你的hotpotato,但是我們必須要考量,在\n\n5\n00:01:28,819 --> 00:01:54,364\n到底是誰去比較好那當然新總統的兩岸的政策以及在台獨的立場那對於國家目前的處境以及未來的險境那這都是國民其實都非常希望了解的那當然了還有未來的新總統\n\n6\n00:01:55,464 --> 00:02:10,515\n到底要怎麼樣子遵循過去以來我們國家所所長期經營的外交的政策那你覺得他的挑戰在哪裏我本來這一題是要問你的\n\n7\n00:02:12,042 --> 00:02:28,904\n反正我們倆是鄉親所以你認為新總統的挑戰在哪裡我認為這個未來的國家的外交的處境挑戰是非常大的那未來的挑戰在哪裡\n\n8\n00:02:30,314 --> 00:02:51,834\n所以委員是要我用彰化人的立場來回答這件事情是嗎?開玩笑開玩笑的確委員問的這個問題是非常好那我因為那個賴總統當選人他還沒有就任所以我也沒有辦法去為未來去多做什麼但是從客觀的形式來說的話\n\n9\n00:02:53,335 --> 00:03:05,430\n中國對我們的壓力一直都在而且可以預期得到就是說在未來新的總統上任之後中國的壓力也會在那在面對這個形勢的時候我們台灣的相關的部門\n\n10\n00:03:06,701 --> 00:03:07,121\n對於未來的情勢是有幫助的\n\n11\n00:03:34,412 --> 00:03:53,813\n對,而且我認為剛才前面幾位委員就是他們對於總統去太平島對於不管是在舒適上面在我認為啦從過去以來其實都有國家元首上太平島的先例喔\n\n12\n00:03:54,333 --> 00:03:54,893\n以張化仁的立場\n\n13\n00:04:19,988 --> 00:04:42,103\n沒有沒有一部長的立場張化緣的立場不是這樣的張化緣的立場是國家的立場那但是啦就是我覺得這個東西必須要我們為國家長期以及為了未來新總統如果有必要的話他是要延續的話那怎麼樣子\n\n14\n00:04:44,505 --> 00:05:08,147\n我的主張就是維持現狀嗎?怎麼樣尊照所有台灣人民目前的大部分的民調或者是大家心裡面想的還是維持現狀當然大家對於現狀的定義有不同的看法但是在這個立場的前提下然後再有就是和平嘛和平是\n\n15\n00:05:08,867 --> 00:05:18,091\n目前世界對於台海的問題最大的公約數在這個前提下我們怎麼樣子規劃\n\n16\n00:05:20,785 --> 00:05:46,375\n我認為不管是對於台灣未來的溝通也好面對大陸的壓力也好我相信即便你要卸任了你也應該要規劃出一條比較適合我們目前外交處境的路那當然就如同前面幾位委員講的\n\n17\n00:05:47,694 --> 00:05:50,536\n這也是一個創造性的策略嗎?我覺得是可以去就這個部分做思考的。\n\n18\n00:06:13,209 --> 00:06:32,840\n以女性的元首來說,有時候我們可以moresoftly,就是不用這麼硬,也許會更有彈性,就如同現在我們也有即將上任的副元首到歐洲訪問等等的,那未來有相關的規劃嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:34,671 --> 00:06:47,233\n非常謝謝委員有關於這個部分的話就是說能夠說的我就盡量說啦那有一些還不適合對外面來講的部分也容許我就暫時先保留\n\n20\n00:06:48,092 --> 00:07:06,593\n在過去這段時間我們的確跟歐洲的這個關係有很多的這些進展比如說我們中華民國的外交部長有很多的地方是沒有辦法去的可是歐洲有很多的國家他們不只歡迎我去而且歡迎我能夠公開的這個演講就可以看到說我們跟歐洲國家的那個關係的進展\n\n21\n00:07:08,115 --> 00:07:08,135\n吳釗燮報告\n\n22\n00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:50,658\n這幾天邀副總統當選人在歐洲的這個訪問也讓我們看到的說的確這個不是只有那個外交部長可以過去甚至是副總統當選人也有機會到那邊去那也有機會為我們跟歐洲之間的這個關係能夠加強那所以這個部分是會持續的來推動那我想這個對於下一任的外交部長不管什麼時候我卸任對於下一任的外交部長這個就等於是一個新的基礎讓他們能夠繼續的往外開拓\n\n23\n00:07:53,902 --> 00:08:14,936\n當然了,我們剛還提到另外一項就是新南向那我也觀察到就是新南向國家的經濟的就是GDP的成長在今年度都會遠遠超過於就是北亞的地區像日本、韓國他們可能都是4、5%以上的成長\n\n24\n00:08:15,917 --> 00:08:38,619\n我認為我們跟新南向的合作國家的合作不應該僅止於就是還是在那個形以如一的這個就是一些就是外交的活動上面而是應該對於經貿或者是雙邊的貿易的合作應該要更加的深化\n\n25\n00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:57,114\n這也是我常遇到新南向國家相關的他們的就是說代表他們認為我們應該要深化怎麼樣子從教育怎麼樣子從經貿合作這個我認為這也是未來的方向對不對\n\n26\n00:08:57,774 --> 00:09:18,036\n我非常贊成,絕對是這樣子,那如果說看看我們臺灣跟菲律賓、越南、印尼等等的國家,馬來西亞等等的經貿的發展,甚至是印度,這些經貿發展的話,大家可以想像得到我們華人國的功夫。我們今年的經濟成長是跟這些國家是並駕齊驅的,反而是\n\n27\n00:09:18,957 --> 00:09:38,626\n日本韓國他們是往下降的那未來怎麼樣子就是藉由這樣子合作深化我們的經濟成長然後以及深化台灣的台商在這個這些東南亞國家的相關的發展我認為對於也許就是說未來台灣的這個經濟發展也會有相關的就是幫助\n\n28\n00:09:44,826 --> 00:10:02,877\n會,而且既然這個方向已經看到了一些成果,那我們會持續的來走。剛剛委員也有提到就是說有一些人員的交流。其實行政院這邊也有一個比較屬於跨部門的討論,就是能夠吸引更多的新南向政策國家的學生到台灣來。\n\n29\n00:10:03,677 --> 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softly,就是不用這麼硬,也許會更有彈性,就如同現在我們也有即將上任的副元首到歐洲訪問等等的,那未來有相關的規劃嗎?\n非常謝謝委員有關於這個部分的話就是說能夠說的我就盡量說啦那有一些還不適合對外面來講的部分也容許我就暫時先保留\n在過去這段時間我們的確跟歐洲的這個關係有很多的這些進展比如說我們中華民國的外交部長有很多的地方是沒有辦法去的可是歐洲有很多的國家他們不只歡迎我去而且歡迎我能夠公開的這個演講就可以看到說我們跟歐洲國家的那個關係的進展\n吳釗燮報告\n這幾天邀副總統當選人在歐洲的這個訪問也讓我們看到的說的確這個不是只有那個外交部長可以過去甚至是副總統當選人也有機會到那邊去那也有機會為我們跟歐洲之間的這個關係能夠加強那所以這個部分是會持續的來推動那我想這個對於下一任的外交部長不管什麼時候我卸任對於下一任的外交部長這個就等於是一個新的基礎讓他們能夠繼續的往外開拓\n當然了,我們剛還提到另外一項就是新南向那我也觀察到就是新南向國家的經濟的就是GDP的成長在今年度都會遠遠超過於就是北亞的地區像日本、韓國他們可能都是4、5%以上的成長\n我認為我們跟新南向的合作國家的合作不應該僅止於就是還是在那個形以如一的這個就是一些就是外交的活動上面而是應該對於經貿或者是雙邊的貿易的合作應該要更加的深化\n這也是我常遇到新南向國家相關的他們的就是說代表他們認為我們應該要深化怎麼樣子從教育怎麼樣子從經貿合作這個我認為這也是未來的方向對不對\n我非常贊成,絕對是這樣子,那如果說看看我們臺灣跟菲律賓、越南、印尼等等的國家,馬來西亞等等的經貿的發展,甚至是印度,這些經貿發展的話,大家可以想像得到我們華人國的功夫。我們今年的經濟成長是跟這些國家是並駕齊驅的,反而是\n日本韓國他們是往下降的那未來怎麼樣子就是藉由這樣子合作深化我們的經濟成長然後以及深化台灣的台商在這個這些東南亞國家的相關的發展我認為對於也許就是說未來台灣的這個經濟發展也會有相關的就是幫助\n會,而且既然這個方向已經看到了一些成果,那我們會持續的來走。剛剛委員也有提到就是說有一些人員的交流。其實行政院這邊也有一個比較屬於跨部門的討論,就是能夠吸引更多的新南向政策國家的學生到台灣來。\n謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.349 --> 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