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00:02:02,618\n部長點頭再想我們可以就是我們如果國營事業可以帶頭做起當然我們樂觀其策對那有沒有機會有勞動部來發起這個跨部位的會議讓更多國營機構願意積極的跟進當然很多輪班啊現場工作狀況我們都可以全面的考慮跟盤點可是讓這個政策先從國營事業開始有沒有機會可以啦這個我們可以來齁那我們有沒有機會三個月內看到相關的研議會議開始展開然後相關的討論\n\n6\n00:02:11,897 --> 00:02:37,427\n三個月內我們來找他們開會三個月內我們來找他們開會我覺得這件事情非常重要當然我們更希望是中小企業也有這個可能性不過因為之前部長也說到中小企業有非常多複雜的因素需要考量我們就先從國營事業來開始第二個我們來看一下最近托育人員這個事情我相信部長你一定有很多的關懷我們來看一下根據衛福部社家屬一一年這邊是先請勞動部請回謝謝\n\n7\n00:02:40,734 --> 00:03:02,253\n根據衛福部社家屬在110年的研究案說109年托育事故以及虐嬰案件成因分析研究裡面說根據這個裡面很多調查就建議要安排什麼樣的課程呢?包含自我認識的課程、情緒調節的課程提供心理諮商或者是輕職諮商的資源課程\n\n8\n00:03:03,894 --> 00:03:15,654\n那我們來全面性的檢討托育人員的管理機制我們發現其實我們根本沒有足夠的心理支援的支持給第一線的托育人員不知道這個部分你們怎麼看?\n\n9\n00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:24,143\n目前我們這些課程其實在他們的在職訓練裡面已經有安排了我們來看一下在職訓練既然次長都講到在職訓練我們來看一下目前各個地方的托育居家托育服務中心他們會辦活動性質、交流性質讓這些托育人員彼此有一些交流的經驗跟分享經驗當然還有一些DIY的活動我們都沒有說這些活動有什麼問題可是我們期待看到這個在職訓練發生了什麼問題\n\n10\n00:03:45,194 --> 00:04:10,683\n這個我們發現相關的托育人員在職訓練課程實施計畫裡面你們開了一些規劃給地方政府作為參考你們的規劃有九個課程的類別規定每一年基本時數是18個小時然後三年內要完成九種課程每一種至少三個小時那相關的情緒課程就看到這些對不對可是我們發現一個很大的問題次長跟你分享一下我們以台北市為例\n\n11\n00:04:12,148 --> 00:04:30,834\n一百一十三年他們根據你們的課程指引開出來的課程整個課程呢從今年的四月到十月他們預計開一百一十八堂課程三百五十四個小時的在職訓練課表可是有多少小時是放在促進身心、社會健康呢答案是零\n\n12\n00:04:33,126 --> 00:04:49,748\n以台北來說,他們完全沒有意識到這個課程的配置是重要的,在你們的指引當中有,可是他們完全沒有,就連今年到此時此刻我們調出來的資料,我們甚且發現有些縣市他連課程都沒有上網公告\n\n13\n00:04:50,729 --> 00:05:08,692\n我們都還來不及需要更多課程資訊,這個部分次長您可不可以有所回應?好,這個部分我們會來要求地方政府,因為我們的規定都寫得非常清楚,是要幾個面向都要監控到。幾個面向,就是我剛剛說的九大類,對嗎?可是他們完全就忽略身心、社會、健康零,這是台北市。\n\n14\n00:05:09,733 --> 00:05:17,437\n好,那但是因為他們課表已經開出來了有機會再請他們調整嗎?可以再請他們加開啊好,但是我要說我們沒有要針對臺北市我們希望衛福部統一盤點全臺灣各個縣市政府他們在開相關的課程如果他們的訴求是說他們沒有足夠的講師沒有足夠的資源也要拜託衛福部主動積極提供好嗎?好,沒問題好,那這個部分三個月內可不可以一個月內跟我們相關的報告一個月內因為快速問他們他們課程應該都已經開出來了好嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:38,830 --> 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