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00:01:20,504\n目前的確中央部會努力底下再生能源有年年的一個成長可是也面對到在興建過程當中民眾民間大有不同的聲音的反對也是一個質疑首先要來看我們想問一下次長就是說過去你也擔任過能源局長目前本席辦公室到經濟部官網上查到的\n\n4\n00:01:21,721 --> 00:01:27,045\n官網大概是講2025年再生能源比例要到、占比要到25%20%可是現在大概只有15.2%看起來\n\n5\n00:01:32,199 --> 00:01:52,853\n那王部長在2022年受訪的時候就說2025年沒有辦法達標了甚至要拉到2026年所以在這邊可不可以請次長跟國人解釋就是說臺灣目前到2025年2030年再生能源的目標是什麼\n\n6\n00:01:53,553 --> 00:02:20,010\n我想這個2025年我們設定了20%的發電目標主要是說病亡整個建制好到這個病亡是在2025年底都可以做到但是發電要到20%的話是在2026年的10月因為病亡到發電有一段時間嘛它會隨著時間去增加這樣子所以這樣的情形我們認為其實目標是沒有這個改變的而且我們現在所掌握的部分也是會如期達成這樣子\n\n7\n00:02:20,430 --> 00:02:41,675\n那2030年呢?那2030年我們事實上主要是會以現在比較成熟的太陽光電跟這個離岸風電為主去往前邁進那太陽光電每年會從2026期每年會有兩個Giga的一個設置那離岸風電每年會有1.5個Gigawatt的一個設置那朝這樣的面向到2030年來達成我們所設定的目標這樣子\n\n8\n00:02:44,865 --> 00:03:09,052\n這張帶也是跟前面趙志偉一樣就是我們從那個立法院的預算中心針對再生能源的專題研究拿到這份資料那的確從2021年到現在我們國的再生能源一直是落後的那這個圖表就顯示我們整個能源署跟規劃的目標跟政策白皮書提供數據就已經有很大的\n\n9\n00:03:09,625 --> 00:03:09,885\n蔣麗芸蔣麗芸\n\n10\n00:03:38,470 --> 00:03:52,013\n所以也想問的是次長台灣距離再生能源目標到底落差有多少然後目前解決的方案有哪些要在哪些地方更努力\n\n11\n00:03:53,277 --> 00:04:12,354\n我想這個剛剛委員問到2025、2030一直到2050我們事實上以這個不同的一個時間點來檢視我們再生能源的發展那我剛剛很明確的對這個委員回復說2025年我們一定可以達到那個設置的一個併穩的量那26年10月發電量就會達到這個占比\n\n12\n00:04:12,654 --> 00:04:38,617\n那往2030年、2050年我們來看事實上除了現在成熟的太陽光電跟離岸風電之外我們一直在這個看台灣的一個最好的潛力像地熱但是這個地熱因為有一些探勘上的一個這個技術上要去建置跟突破所以我們這個是會朝2030到2050之間來做落實那另外一個部分就是說我們還有很多的這個生殖能是大型化的生殖能這個部分\n\n13\n00:04:39,037 --> 00:04:40,859\n台灣大這幾年我們看到再生能源有往上\n\n14\n00:04:59,246 --> 00:04:59,826\n國際物料的這個問題那\n\n15\n00:05:28,669 --> 00:05:55,491\n太陽光電呢?有時候這邊談的事實上是生態跟漁農業的一些問題我自己的家鄉是苗栗那環團就非常關注我們的石斧重要棲地是否適合興建我們的太陽光能也引發民間不同的見解戰爭方覺得說這個可以活化我們的方會的已久的茶園跟雜木林\n\n16\n00:05:55,947 --> 00:05:56,047\n李卓人議員\n\n17\n00:06:15,219 --> 00:06:29,392\n部長、薛部長這邊是環評認定標準你的修正方向目前進度為何然後預計要找哪些團體因為我們剛剛講有地警因為不是只有還是有警官的問題\n\n18\n00:06:30,513 --> 00:06:53,513\n所以你剛剛那邊報告提出來說有一定的修訂標準裡邊有一個一定面積跟或設置容量以上所以這也想救教給委員報告齁林委員報告剛剛講的是針對太陽光電的部分離岸風電我剛剛事實上簡報裡面有提到離岸風電是任何一個案場全部都要做環評\n\n19\n00:06:54,614 --> 00:07:12,913\n那環評事實上他非常的嚴謹我們有21個委員還有額外另外他有出城委員都是專家學者包括生態學家包括這個技術還有其他領域的專家他們都針對委員剛剛所提到關切的問題事實上都有非常\n\n20\n00:07:14,394 --> 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蔣麗芸\n所以也想問的是次長台灣距離再生能源目標到底落差有多少然後目前解決的方案有哪些要在哪些地方更努力\n我想這個剛剛委員問到2025、2030一直到2050我們事實上以這個不同的一個時間點來檢視我們再生能源的發展那我剛剛很明確的對這個委員回復說2025年我們一定可以達到那個設置的一個併穩的量那26年10月發電量就會達到這個占比\n那往2030年、2050年我們來看事實上除了現在成熟的太陽光電跟離岸風電之外我們一直在這個看台灣的一個最好的潛力像地熱但是這個地熱因為有一些探勘上的一個這個技術上要去建置跟突破所以我們這個是會朝2030到2050之間來做落實那另外一個部分就是說我們還有很多的這個生殖能是大型化的生殖能這個部分\n台灣大這幾年我們看到再生能源有往上\n國際物料的這個問題那\n太陽光電呢?有時候這邊談的事實上是生態跟漁農業的一些問題我自己的家鄉是苗栗那環團就非常關注我們的石斧重要棲地是否適合興建我們的太陽光能也引發民間不同的見解戰爭方覺得說這個可以活化我們的方會的已久的茶園跟雜木林\n李卓人議員\n部長、薛部長這邊是環評認定標準你的修正方向目前進度為何然後預計要找哪些團體因為我們剛剛講有地警因為不是只有還是有警官的問題\n所以你剛剛那邊報告提出來說有一定的修訂標準裡邊有一個一定面積跟或設置容量以上所以這也想救教給委員報告齁林委員報告剛剛講的是針對太陽光電的部分離岸風電我剛剛事實上簡報裡面有提到離岸風電是任何一個案場全部都要做環評\n那環評事實上他非常的嚴謹我們有21個委員還有額外另外他有出城委員都是專家學者包括生態學家包括這個技術還有其他領域的專家他們都針對委員剛剛所提到關切的問題事實上都有非常\n這個嚴格的要求開發單位必須去滿足他們的環境保障太陽光電事實上對於地警這個塊他就所以我想問說你會找哪些團體去做討論這個不是我想找哪個團體因為我們那個環評委員他是有很嚴謹的一個審核的機制由各個公民團體學者專家以及相關部位代表\n在那裡邊所組成的這個在我去年9月份、8月份上任的時候事實上正好那一屆環評委員已經到期了所以又重新選擇了另外一組我覺得前端還是要收集民意瞭解到他們碰到的一些問題點不是只有自己閉門造句那在這邊大概有幾項政策建議大概有三項就是可不可以從爭議比較少的政策加強執行\n也就是屋頂型的光電這一塊是不是可以先來提出一些提高誘因來增加預算來做投入因為畢竟這個抗疫比較少的\n指引可能性也比較高的是不是可以去做這樣的考慮那政策建議二就是希望能夠擴大儲能系統這儲能系統上要跟社會大眾溝通因為社會大眾對於消防各方面他們都有些疑慮在所以是不是應該要去考慮還有一個是我們的大型案場的那個建制經驗比較缺乏是不是怎麼去整合人才我覺得這也是要去做那最後就是整個的\n在公民電廠這一塊所以想問我們的經濟部很重視這個那想問次長這邊針對公民電廠你現在推動的狀況是什麼是\n我想我們在那個電業法本身就是開放那個綠電可以設這個發電廠那這些公民電廠大部分都是這個再生能源發電為主那我跟委員報告像這個很多都是這個設太陽光電的部分那你剛剛提到說那個小型的太陽光電我們要給予鼓勵我們在賺購匯率上我剛剛提到我們給那個屋頂型的小型的那個賺購匯率就維持比較高的一個這個\n好 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蔣麗芸"},{"start":218.47,"end":232.013,"text":"所以也想問的是次長台灣距離再生能源目標到底落差有多少然後目前解決的方案有哪些要在哪些地方更努力"},{"start":233.277,"end":252.354,"text":"我想這個剛剛委員問到2025、2030一直到2050我們事實上以這個不同的一個時間點來檢視我們再生能源的發展那我剛剛很明確的對這個委員回復說2025年我們一定可以達到那個設置的一個併穩的量那26年10月發電量就會達到這個占比"},{"start":252.654,"end":278.617,"text":"那往2030年、2050年我們來看事實上除了現在成熟的太陽光電跟離岸風電之外我們一直在這個看台灣的一個最好的潛力像地熱但是這個地熱因為有一些探勘上的一個這個技術上要去建置跟突破所以我們這個是會朝2030到2050之間來做落實那另外一個部分就是說我們還有很多的這個生殖能是大型化的生殖能這個部分"},{"start":279.037,"end":280.859,"text":"台灣大這幾年我們看到再生能源有往上"},{"start":299.246,"end":299.826,"text":"國際物料的這個問題那"},{"start":328.669,"end":355.491,"text":"太陽光電呢?有時候這邊談的事實上是生態跟漁農業的一些問題我自己的家鄉是苗栗那環團就非常關注我們的石斧重要棲地是否適合興建我們的太陽光能也引發民間不同的見解戰爭方覺得說這個可以活化我們的方會的已久的茶園跟雜木林"},{"start":355.947,"end":356.047,"text":"李卓人議員"},{"start":375.219,"end":389.392,"text":"部長、薛部長這邊是環評認定標準你的修正方向目前進度為何然後預計要找哪些團體因為我們剛剛講有地警因為不是只有還是有警官的問題"},{"start":390.513,"end":413.513,"text":"所以你剛剛那邊報告提出來說有一定的修訂標準裡邊有一個一定面積跟或設置容量以上所以這也想救教給委員報告齁林委員報告剛剛講的是針對太陽光電的部分離岸風電我剛剛事實上簡報裡面有提到離岸風電是任何一個案場全部都要做環評"},{"start":414.614,"end":432.913,"text":"那環評事實上他非常的嚴謹我們有21個委員還有額外另外他有出城委員都是專家學者包括生態學家包括這個技術還有其他領域的專家他們都針對委員剛剛所提到關切的問題事實上都有非常"},{"start":434.394,"end":459.048,"text":"這個嚴格的要求開發單位必須去滿足他們的環境保障太陽光電事實上對於地警這個塊他就所以我想問說你會找哪些團體去做討論這個不是我想找哪個團體因為我們那個環評委員他是有很嚴謹的一個審核的機制由各個公民團體學者專家以及相關部位代表"},{"start":459.708,"end":485.429,"text":"在那裡邊所組成的這個在我去年9月份、8月份上任的時候事實上正好那一屆環評委員已經到期了所以又重新選擇了另外一組我覺得前端還是要收集民意瞭解到他們碰到的一些問題點不是只有自己閉門造句那在這邊大概有幾項政策建議大概有三項就是可不可以從爭議比較少的政策加強執行"},{"start":486.874,"end":498.728,"text":"也就是屋頂型的光電這一塊是不是可以先來提出一些提高誘因來增加預算來做投入因為畢竟這個抗疫比較少的"},{"start":499.571,"end":528.65,"text":"指引可能性也比較高的是不是可以去做這樣的考慮那政策建議二就是希望能夠擴大儲能系統這儲能系統上要跟社會大眾溝通因為社會大眾對於消防各方面他們都有些疑慮在所以是不是應該要去考慮還有一個是我們的大型案場的那個建制經驗比較缺乏是不是怎麼去整合人才我覺得這也是要去做那最後就是整個的"},{"start":529.71,"end":539.079,"text":"在公民電廠這一塊所以想問我們的經濟部很重視這個那想問次長這邊針對公民電廠你現在推動的狀況是什麼是"},{"start":543.856,"end":569.614,"text":"我想我們在那個電業法本身就是開放那個綠電可以設這個發電廠那這些公民電廠大部分都是這個再生能源發電為主那我跟委員報告像這個很多都是這個設太陽光電的部分那你剛剛提到說那個小型的太陽光電我們要給予鼓勵我們在賺購匯率上我剛剛提到我們給那個屋頂型的小型的那個賺購匯率就維持比較高的一個這個"},{"start":570.535,"end":570.555,"text":"好 謝謝"}]}}}}