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00:01:09,157\n請問您知道這個流程嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:31,808 --> 00:01:51,079\n對於IEP的全職本作業加上數位化這樣一個不斷的反覆的轉換的過程來說我覺得在這個數位化科技進步的時代來講本席感到有點意外那更痛苦的是根據第一線特教老師所提供的資訊現行IEP的全職本加上\n\n6\n00:01:51,479 --> 00:01:51,819\n主席葛如鈞\n\n7\n00:02:16,144 --> 00:02:34,473\n以國中小特教生大概7萬9千人．高中職特教生2萬4千人．加起來大概有10萬人以上．每個人的IEP．如果保守估計一份是10頁的話．用來推估一個學期．就有那麼多的老師要執行．100多萬次的上傳、掃描．後製、檢查、再上傳．\n\n8\n00:02:36,174 --> 00:02:54,663\n我們可以看一下這是某個縣市的IP上傳頁面從畫面中也可以看得出來完成以後大家還要簽名加用印再上傳這過程真的是相當繁複編表表單還特別說明說一定要隱去嫌疑資料再上傳而且聽說這不是一個單一案例想請教一下次長\n\n9\n00:02:55,783 --> 00:03:17,248\n數位科技進步：AI發展更是一日千里．教育部有沒有討論以數位科技來協助．這麼多．反覆作業的IEP執行的可能性?謝謝委員．提醒IEP用科技化的部分來處理．我想國教署在7月底之前．會邀各縣市政府．有關這個部分來討論\n\n10\n00:03:19,471 --> 00:03:41,479\n太好了真的非常感謝我想真的希望這個教育部可以善用數位科技的機制來設法協助第一線老師們的工作效益那也不要太擔心這些所謂的隱私中國醫藥大學膚色醫院就已經將人工智慧數位化導入到整個醫療的體系當中讓醫務人員可以更快速的完成各項紀錄醫師可以我相信老師也可以\n\n11\n00:03:42,359 --> 00:03:58,206\n我想在這個CHEP快速進步的時代﹖說不定在數位化的過程還可以導入AI化﹖讓老師們的IEP撰寫還可以更容易﹖其實網路上已經開始有特教老師分享相關的嘗試﹖所以顯然是有需求才會有老師進行嘗試﹖希望能夠從未來這個系統的建設當中去符合老師們的需求﹖\n\n12\n00:04:03,288 --> 00:04:24,616\n同時呢這個從學制還有未來銜接勞政相關的這樣的一個不同主管機關來看我相信數位化也是一個比較長遠有效性的做法除了我們剛剛講的數位化之外也希望剛剛我們所提到的簽名用印的狀況也可以改善好不好我們那個最近我們一直在推電子簽章法那我們每一次出現我們都要拿這個板子出來\n\n13\n00:04:25,776 --> 00:04:52,003\n蘇衛部提供的26個部會裡面．看起來呢．第18呢．就是我們教育部唯一一個．排除電子簽章法適用的單位．所以不知道能不能請主席．邀請我們的這個．國教署的這個彭署長．可不可以一起出現．那我想希望可以一起來擁抱電子簽章．那這個我們是不是可以邀請．次長跟署長．跟我們一起歡呼．這個大膽擁抱電子簽章．可以嗎好不好好321\n\n14\n00:04:56,685 --> 00:04:58,949\n大膽擁抱電子簽章吧!\n\n15\n00:05:10,305 --> 00:05:18,674\n在過去的醫病例系統都普遍使用．期待請教育部邀請相關專家、民間團體．將數位協作導入IEP並建立數位平台．也謝謝剛剛有允諾．就是在7月以前．也希望能夠來評估電子簽章．是不是就大膽擁抱．\n\n16\n00:05:30,948 --> 00:05:46,341\n那再來我們想要跟次長就教適應體育的部分想請教一下次長適應體育是不是適合所有人的運動那請教一下現行的適應體育在特教的部分有沒有包含水中的部分\n\n17\n00:05:47,393 --> 00:05:49,093\n目前這個極重症的兒童家長團體其實有成形\n\n18\n00:06:08,438 --> 00:06:36,562\n這個肢體極度障礙的孩子其實這個非常多的這個學校就讀就算他有游泳池的狀態之下還必須自費到校園以外去參加水中的試運體育其實我們認為這個水中的試運運動其實對他們來講非常重要如果能夠在這個沒有地心引力的影響之下讓他們在水中藉由這個流動、包覆、溫度等等其實可以刺激他們的腦神經跟肌肉這個重新連結跟刺激\n\n19\n00:06:37,362 --> 00:06:49,749\n不知道能不能請次長責成體育署（上個月內邀集相關專家、民間團體、家長團體等等（研議訂定水中適應體育的指引（並且是極重症特效也可以適用的方案（\n\n20\n00:06:50,985 --> 00:07:07,056\n有關水中適應的相關教材研發．目前我們就有一些現成的．包含國小跟國中的相關適應的一個教案．委員提到三個月邀請相關團體．來研定水中適應的體育指引的部分．這個部分我們可以來配合辦理\n\n21\n00:07:07,950 --> 00:07:27,491\n好太好了非常感謝那我想次長接下來要和您討論教育多元化以及平權的問題最近我接到不少的家長陳情希望能夠來了解現行的國民教育法第6條第二項為協助前項實驗教育之發展主管機關應訂定相關補助規定\n\n22\n00:07:30,494 --> 00:07:50,519\n這個前項實驗教育包含學校形態和非學校形態的實驗教育．但是本法修正以後已經公布施行將近一年了相關的補助規定依然是指紋樓梯響不見人下來想請教一下次長相關的補助規定目前研議進度究竟如何預計補助哪些內容什麼時候可以提出\n\n23\n00:07:52,864 --> 00:08:17,597\n好謝謝跟委員報告一下那針對這個免學雜費的部分公立學校的部分是包含了學校型態的實驗教育學校我現在說非學校型態的實驗教育對非學校也是都有那委員提到了非學校型態的實驗教育的部分那這個學雜費是依照實際的需求是有學生資金來付但是沒有補助的但是你們已經有法條第6條這個項麻煩你們回去看齁\n\n24\n00:08:18,637 --> 00:08:47,863\n為協助前項實驗教育之發展這個實驗教育是包含學校跟非學校的形態謝謝委員這個在去年國家法在研修的時候有一些討論訂了這一個已經通過了喔對有一些討論但沒有細則啊沒有施行啊那這個指向在研訂的過程中我們不是去直接補助學生學費而是補助了什麼第一我們可能會對特殊的學生一定要給他特殊的協助那個補助就會比較多但是整體的學校到底有沒有補助\n\n25\n00:08:48,263 --> 00:08:49,324\n國憲法第159條明確昭示國民受教育之機會一律平等\n\n26\n00:09:06,031 --> 00:09:14,599\n兒童權利公約也揭示了保障及促進兒童及少年權利的規定．在我國也是具有法律效力的．第28條當中就規定．締約國確認兒童有接受教育的權利．為使此項權利於機會平等的基礎上逐步實現．締約國由因實現全面的免費義務．小學教育同時也要鼓勵發展．\n\n27\n00:09:28,112 --> 00:09:56,465\n不同形態之中等教育．包括普通教育、職業教育．使所有兒童能夠進入就讀．並且採取適當措施注入實行免費教育．以及對所有有需求者提供財務的協助我們真的是不希望讓孩子．因為本身家庭的經濟條件．而在更多元的教育選擇上面．包含實驗教育．包含各種類型的實驗教育．失去平等選擇的權利．補助學費的用意．我相信也是如此\n\n28\n00:09:57,105 --> 00:10:23,973\n所以也謝謝剛剛的允諾希望在6月底前能夠教育部這裡能夠持續的研議對於國中、國小階段的多元教育的選項也就是我們剛剛所提出包含的內容給予學費補助的原因以及補助的方式請教育部就相關規定研議以後提供給本席那也讓大家可以持續的來關注各種多元教育的一些方案以及平等教育的權利可以嗎?謝謝\n\n29\n00:10:25,456 --> 00:10:27,681\n謝謝委員（我們在6月底前（會找個性事務來做研議\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n13347\t14968\t謝謝 主席有請教育部林次長備詢\n21870\t46557\t市長好依據《特殊教育法施行細則》第10條規定特教教師在每個學期初都應該與學生、學生家長、普通班導師共同擬定個別化的教育計畫以評估不同學生的能力、家庭狀況、所需服務評量方式以及轉型、輔導等向度相關內容跟會議都必須在開學之前完成\n47057\t66975\t想請教一下次長您知道IEP現在是紙本作業還是數位作業嗎?IEP的部分基本上它就是針對學生的個別的計畫由學校老師跟包含的紙本還是數位不好意思謝謝那基本上應該他應該那個IEP他是\n68516\t69157\t請問您知道這個流程嗎?\n91808\t111079\t對於IEP的全職本作業加上數位化這樣一個不斷的反覆的轉換的過程來說我覺得在這個數位化科技進步的時代來講本席感到有點意外那更痛苦的是根據第一線特教老師所提供的資訊現行IEP的全職本加上\n111479\t111819\t主席葛如鈞\n136144\t154473\t以國中小特教生大概7萬9千人．高中職特教生2萬4千人．加起來大概有10萬人以上．每個人的IEP．如果保守估計一份是10頁的話．用來推估一個學期．就有那麼多的老師要執行．100多萬次的上傳、掃描．後製、檢查、再上傳．\n156174\t174663\t我們可以看一下這是某個縣市的IP上傳頁面從畫面中也可以看得出來完成以後大家還要簽名加用印再上傳這過程真的是相當繁複編表表單還特別說明說一定要隱去嫌疑資料再上傳而且聽說這不是一個單一案例想請教一下次長\n175783\t197248\t數位科技進步：AI發展更是一日千里．教育部有沒有討論以數位科技來協助．這麼多．反覆作業的IEP執行的可能性?謝謝委員．提醒IEP用科技化的部分來處理．我想國教署在7月底之前．會邀各縣市政府．有關這個部分來討論\n199471\t221479\t太好了真的非常感謝我想真的希望這個教育部可以善用數位科技的機制來設法協助第一線老師們的工作效益那也不要太擔心這些所謂的隱私中國醫藥大學膚色醫院就已經將人工智慧數位化導入到整個醫療的體系當中讓醫務人員可以更快速的完成各項紀錄醫師可以我相信老師也可以\n222359\t238206\t我想在這個CHEP快速進步的時代﹖說不定在數位化的過程還可以導入AI化﹖讓老師們的IEP撰寫還可以更容易﹖其實網路上已經開始有特教老師分享相關的嘗試﹖所以顯然是有需求才會有老師進行嘗試﹖希望能夠從未來這個系統的建設當中去符合老師們的需求﹖\n243288\t264616\t同時呢這個從學制還有未來銜接勞政相關的這樣的一個不同主管機關來看我相信數位化也是一個比較長遠有效性的做法除了我們剛剛講的數位化之外也希望剛剛我們所提到的簽名用印的狀況也可以改善好不好我們那個最近我們一直在推電子簽章法那我們每一次出現我們都要拿這個板子出來\n265776\t292003\t蘇衛部提供的26個部會裡面．看起來呢．第18呢．就是我們教育部唯一一個．排除電子簽章法適用的單位．所以不知道能不能請主席．邀請我們的這個．國教署的這個彭署長．可不可以一起出現．那我想希望可以一起來擁抱電子簽章．那這個我們是不是可以邀請．次長跟署長．跟我們一起歡呼．這個大膽擁抱電子簽章．可以嗎好不好好321\n296685\t298949\t大膽擁抱電子簽章吧!\n310305\t318674\t在過去的醫病例系統都普遍使用．期待請教育部邀請相關專家、民間團體．將數位協作導入IEP並建立數位平台．也謝謝剛剛有允諾．就是在7月以前．也希望能夠來評估電子簽章．是不是就大膽擁抱．\n330948\t346341\t那再來我們想要跟次長就教適應體育的部分想請教一下次長適應體育是不是適合所有人的運動那請教一下現行的適應體育在特教的部分有沒有包含水中的部分\n347393\t349093\t目前這個極重症的兒童家長團體其實有成形\n368438\t396562\t這個肢體極度障礙的孩子其實這個非常多的這個學校就讀就算他有游泳池的狀態之下還必須自費到校園以外去參加水中的試運體育其實我們認為這個水中的試運運動其實對他們來講非常重要如果能夠在這個沒有地心引力的影響之下讓他們在水中藉由這個流動、包覆、溫度等等其實可以刺激他們的腦神經跟肌肉這個重新連結跟刺激\n397362\t409749\t不知道能不能請次長責成體育署（上個月內邀集相關專家、民間團體、家長團體等等（研議訂定水中適應體育的指引（並且是極重症特效也可以適用的方案（\n410985\t427056\t有關水中適應的相關教材研發．目前我們就有一些現成的．包含國小跟國中的相關適應的一個教案．委員提到三個月邀請相關團體．來研定水中適應的體育指引的部分．這個部分我們可以來配合辦理\n427950\t447491\t好 太好了 非常感謝那我想次長接下來要和您討論教育多元化以及平權的問題最近我接到不少的家長陳情希望能夠來了解現行的國民教育法第6條第二項為協助前項實驗教育之發展主管機關應訂定相關補助規定\n450494\t470519\t這個前項實驗教育包含學校形態和非學校形態的實驗教育．但是本法修正以後已經公布施行將近一年了相關的補助規定依然是指紋樓梯響不見人下來想請教一下次長相關的補助規定目前研議進度究竟如何預計補助哪些內容什麼時候可以提出\n472864\t497597\t好 謝謝跟委員報告一下那針對這個免學雜費的部分公立學校的部分是包含了學校型態的實驗教育學校我現在說非學校型態的實驗教育對 非學校也是都有那委員提到了非學校型態的實驗教育的部分那這個學雜費是依照實際的需求是有學生資金來付但是沒有補助的但是你們已經有法條第6條這個項麻煩你們回去看齁\n498637\t527863\t為協助前項實驗教育之發展這個實驗教育是包含學校跟非學校的形態謝謝委員這個在去年國家法在研修的時候有一些討論訂了這一個已經通過了喔對 有一些討論但沒有細則啊沒有施行啊那這個指向在研訂的過程中我們不是去直接補助學生學費而是補助了什麼第一我們可能會對特殊的學生一定要給他特殊的協助那個補助就會比較多但是整體的學校到底有沒有補助\n528263\t529324\t國憲法第159條明確昭示國民受教育之機會一律平等\n546031\t554599\t兒童權利公約也揭示了保障及促進兒童及少年權利的規定．在我國也是具有法律效力的．第28條當中就規定．締約國確認兒童有接受教育的權利．為使此項權利於機會平等的基礎上逐步實現．締約國由因實現全面的免費義務．小學教育同時也要鼓勵發展．\n568112\t596465\t不同形態之中等教育．包括普通教育、職業教育．使所有兒童能夠進入就讀．並且採取適當措施注入實行免費教育．以及對所有有需求者提供財務的協助我們真的是不希望讓孩子．因為本身家庭的經濟條件．而在更多元的教育選擇上面．包含實驗教育．包含各種類型的實驗教育．失去平等選擇的權利．補助學費的用意．我相信也是如此\n597105\t623973\t所以也謝謝剛剛的允諾希望在6月底前能夠教育部這裡能夠持續的研議對於國中、國小階段的多元教育的選項也就是我們剛剛所提出包含的內容給予學費補助的原因以及補助的方式請教育部就相關規定研議以後提供給本席那也讓大家可以持續的來關注各種多元教育的一些方案以及平等教育的權利可以嗎?謝謝\n625456\t627681\t謝謝委員（我們在6月底前（會找個性事務來做研議\n","txt":"謝謝 主席有請教育部林次長備詢\n市長好依據《特殊教育法施行細則》第10條規定特教教師在每個學期初都應該與學生、學生家長、普通班導師共同擬定個別化的教育計畫以評估不同學生的能力、家庭狀況、所需服務評量方式以及轉型、輔導等向度相關內容跟會議都必須在開學之前完成\n想請教一下次長您知道IEP現在是紙本作業還是數位作業嗎?IEP的部分基本上它就是針對學生的個別的計畫由學校老師跟包含的紙本還是數位不好意思謝謝那基本上應該他應該那個IEP他是\n請問您知道這個流程嗎?\n對於IEP的全職本作業加上數位化這樣一個不斷的反覆的轉換的過程來說我覺得在這個數位化科技進步的時代來講本席感到有點意外那更痛苦的是根據第一線特教老師所提供的資訊現行IEP的全職本加上\n主席葛如鈞\n以國中小特教生大概7萬9千人．高中職特教生2萬4千人．加起來大概有10萬人以上．每個人的IEP．如果保守估計一份是10頁的話．用來推估一個學期．就有那麼多的老師要執行．100多萬次的上傳、掃描．後製、檢查、再上傳．\n我們可以看一下這是某個縣市的IP上傳頁面從畫面中也可以看得出來完成以後大家還要簽名加用印再上傳這過程真的是相當繁複編表表單還特別說明說一定要隱去嫌疑資料再上傳而且聽說這不是一個單一案例想請教一下次長\n數位科技進步：AI發展更是一日千里．教育部有沒有討論以數位科技來協助．這麼多．反覆作業的IEP執行的可能性?謝謝委員．提醒IEP用科技化的部分來處理．我想國教署在7月底之前．會邀各縣市政府．有關這個部分來討論\n太好了真的非常感謝我想真的希望這個教育部可以善用數位科技的機制來設法協助第一線老師們的工作效益那也不要太擔心這些所謂的隱私中國醫藥大學膚色醫院就已經將人工智慧數位化導入到整個醫療的體系當中讓醫務人員可以更快速的完成各項紀錄醫師可以我相信老師也可以\n我想在這個CHEP快速進步的時代﹖說不定在數位化的過程還可以導入AI化﹖讓老師們的IEP撰寫還可以更容易﹖其實網路上已經開始有特教老師分享相關的嘗試﹖所以顯然是有需求才會有老師進行嘗試﹖希望能夠從未來這個系統的建設當中去符合老師們的需求﹖\n同時呢這個從學制還有未來銜接勞政相關的這樣的一個不同主管機關來看我相信數位化也是一個比較長遠有效性的做法除了我們剛剛講的數位化之外也希望剛剛我們所提到的簽名用印的狀況也可以改善好不好我們那個最近我們一直在推電子簽章法那我們每一次出現我們都要拿這個板子出來\n蘇衛部提供的26個部會裡面．看起來呢．第18呢．就是我們教育部唯一一個．排除電子簽章法適用的單位．所以不知道能不能請主席．邀請我們的這個．國教署的這個彭署長．可不可以一起出現．那我想希望可以一起來擁抱電子簽章．那這個我們是不是可以邀請．次長跟署長．跟我們一起歡呼．這個大膽擁抱電子簽章．可以嗎好不好好321\n大膽擁抱電子簽章吧!\n在過去的醫病例系統都普遍使用．期待請教育部邀請相關專家、民間團體．將數位協作導入IEP並建立數位平台．也謝謝剛剛有允諾．就是在7月以前．也希望能夠來評估電子簽章．是不是就大膽擁抱．\n那再來我們想要跟次長就教適應體育的部分想請教一下次長適應體育是不是適合所有人的運動那請教一下現行的適應體育在特教的部分有沒有包含水中的部分\n目前這個極重症的兒童家長團體其實有成形\n這個肢體極度障礙的孩子其實這個非常多的這個學校就讀就算他有游泳池的狀態之下還必須自費到校園以外去參加水中的試運體育其實我們認為這個水中的試運運動其實對他們來講非常重要如果能夠在這個沒有地心引力的影響之下讓他們在水中藉由這個流動、包覆、溫度等等其實可以刺激他們的腦神經跟肌肉這個重新連結跟刺激\n不知道能不能請次長責成體育署（上個月內邀集相關專家、民間團體、家長團體等等（研議訂定水中適應體育的指引（並且是極重症特效也可以適用的方案（\n有關水中適應的相關教材研發．目前我們就有一些現成的．包含國小跟國中的相關適應的一個教案．委員提到三個月邀請相關團體．來研定水中適應的體育指引的部分．這個部分我們可以來配合辦理\n好 太好了 非常感謝那我想次長接下來要和您討論教育多元化以及平權的問題最近我接到不少的家長陳情希望能夠來了解現行的國民教育法第6條第二項為協助前項實驗教育之發展主管機關應訂定相關補助規定\n這個前項實驗教育包含學校形態和非學校形態的實驗教育．但是本法修正以後已經公布施行將近一年了相關的補助規定依然是指紋樓梯響不見人下來想請教一下次長相關的補助規定目前研議進度究竟如何預計補助哪些內容什麼時候可以提出\n好 謝謝跟委員報告一下那針對這個免學雜費的部分公立學校的部分是包含了學校型態的實驗教育學校我現在說非學校型態的實驗教育對 非學校也是都有那委員提到了非學校型態的實驗教育的部分那這個學雜費是依照實際的需求是有學生資金來付但是沒有補助的但是你們已經有法條第6條這個項麻煩你們回去看齁\n為協助前項實驗教育之發展這個實驗教育是包含學校跟非學校的形態謝謝委員這個在去年國家法在研修的時候有一些討論訂了這一個已經通過了喔對 有一些討論但沒有細則啊沒有施行啊那這個指向在研訂的過程中我們不是去直接補助學生學費而是補助了什麼第一我們可能會對特殊的學生一定要給他特殊的協助那個補助就會比較多但是整體的學校到底有沒有補助\n國憲法第159條明確昭示國民受教育之機會一律平等\n兒童權利公約也揭示了保障及促進兒童及少年權利的規定．在我國也是具有法律效力的．第28條當中就規定．締約國確認兒童有接受教育的權利．為使此項權利於機會平等的基礎上逐步實現．締約國由因實現全面的免費義務．小學教育同時也要鼓勵發展．\n不同形態之中等教育．包括普通教育、職業教育．使所有兒童能夠進入就讀．並且採取適當措施注入實行免費教育．以及對所有有需求者提供財務的協助我們真的是不希望讓孩子．因為本身家庭的經濟條件．而在更多元的教育選擇上面．包含實驗教育．包含各種類型的實驗教育．失去平等選擇的權利．補助學費的用意．我相信也是如此\n所以也謝謝剛剛的允諾希望在6月底前能夠教育部這裡能夠持續的研議對於國中、國小階段的多元教育的選項也就是我們剛剛所提出包含的內容給予學費補助的原因以及補助的方式請教育部就相關規定研議以後提供給本席那也讓大家可以持續的來關注各種多元教育的一些方案以及平等教育的權利可以嗎?謝謝\n謝謝委員（我們在6月底前（會找個性事務來做研議\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.347 --> 00:14.968\n謝謝主席有請教育部林次長備詢\n\n00:21.870 --> 00:46.557\n市長好依據《特殊教育法施行細則》第10條規定特教教師在每個學期初都應該與學生、學生家長、普通班導師共同擬定個別化的教育計畫以評估不同學生的能力、家庭狀況、所需服務評量方式以及轉型、輔導等向度相關內容跟會議都必須在開學之前完成\n\n00:47.057 --> 01:06.975\n想請教一下次長您知道IEP現在是紙本作業還是數位作業嗎?IEP的部分基本上它就是針對學生的個別的計畫由學校老師跟包含的紙本還是數位不好意思謝謝那基本上應該他應該那個IEP他是\n\n01:08.516 --> 01:09.157\n請問您知道這個流程嗎?\n\n01:31.808 --> 01:51.079\n對於IEP的全職本作業加上數位化這樣一個不斷的反覆的轉換的過程來說我覺得在這個數位化科技進步的時代來講本席感到有點意外那更痛苦的是根據第一線特教老師所提供的資訊現行IEP的全職本加上\n\n01:51.479 --> 01:51.819\n主席葛如鈞\n\n02:16.144 --> 02:34.473\n以國中小特教生大概7萬9千人．高中職特教生2萬4千人．加起來大概有10萬人以上．每個人的IEP．如果保守估計一份是10頁的話．用來推估一個學期．就有那麼多的老師要執行．100多萬次的上傳、掃描．後製、檢查、再上傳．\n\n02:36.174 --> 02:54.663\n我們可以看一下這是某個縣市的IP上傳頁面從畫面中也可以看得出來完成以後大家還要簽名加用印再上傳這過程真的是相當繁複編表表單還特別說明說一定要隱去嫌疑資料再上傳而且聽說這不是一個單一案例想請教一下次長\n\n02:55.783 --> 03:17.248\n數位科技進步：AI發展更是一日千里．教育部有沒有討論以數位科技來協助．這麼多．反覆作業的IEP執行的可能性?謝謝委員．提醒IEP用科技化的部分來處理．我想國教署在7月底之前．會邀各縣市政府．有關這個部分來討論\n\n03:19.471 --> 03:41.479\n太好了真的非常感謝我想真的希望這個教育部可以善用數位科技的機制來設法協助第一線老師們的工作效益那也不要太擔心這些所謂的隱私中國醫藥大學膚色醫院就已經將人工智慧數位化導入到整個醫療的體系當中讓醫務人員可以更快速的完成各項紀錄醫師可以我相信老師也可以\n\n03:42.359 --> 03:58.206\n我想在這個CHEP快速進步的時代﹖說不定在數位化的過程還可以導入AI化﹖讓老師們的IEP撰寫還可以更容易﹖其實網路上已經開始有特教老師分享相關的嘗試﹖所以顯然是有需求才會有老師進行嘗試﹖希望能夠從未來這個系統的建設當中去符合老師們的需求﹖\n\n04:03.288 --> 04:24.616\n同時呢這個從學制還有未來銜接勞政相關的這樣的一個不同主管機關來看我相信數位化也是一個比較長遠有效性的做法除了我們剛剛講的數位化之外也希望剛剛我們所提到的簽名用印的狀況也可以改善好不好我們那個最近我們一直在推電子簽章法那我們每一次出現我們都要拿這個板子出來\n\n04:25.776 --> 04:52.003\n蘇衛部提供的26個部會裡面．看起來呢．第18呢．就是我們教育部唯一一個．排除電子簽章法適用的單位．所以不知道能不能請主席．邀請我們的這個．國教署的這個彭署長．可不可以一起出現．那我想希望可以一起來擁抱電子簽章．那這個我們是不是可以邀請．次長跟署長．跟我們一起歡呼．這個大膽擁抱電子簽章．可以嗎好不好好321\n\n04:56.685 --> 04:58.949\n大膽擁抱電子簽章吧!\n\n05:10.305 --> 05:18.674\n在過去的醫病例系統都普遍使用．期待請教育部邀請相關專家、民間團體．將數位協作導入IEP並建立數位平台．也謝謝剛剛有允諾．就是在7月以前．也希望能夠來評估電子簽章．是不是就大膽擁抱．\n\n05:30.948 --> 05:46.341\n那再來我們想要跟次長就教適應體育的部分想請教一下次長適應體育是不是適合所有人的運動那請教一下現行的適應體育在特教的部分有沒有包含水中的部分\n\n05:47.393 --> 05:49.093\n目前這個極重症的兒童家長團體其實有成形\n\n06:08.438 --> 06:36.562\n這個肢體極度障礙的孩子其實這個非常多的這個學校就讀就算他有游泳池的狀態之下還必須自費到校園以外去參加水中的試運體育其實我們認為這個水中的試運運動其實對他們來講非常重要如果能夠在這個沒有地心引力的影響之下讓他們在水中藉由這個流動、包覆、溫度等等其實可以刺激他們的腦神經跟肌肉這個重新連結跟刺激\n\n06:37.362 --> 06:49.749\n不知道能不能請次長責成體育署（上個月內邀集相關專家、民間團體、家長團體等等（研議訂定水中適應體育的指引（並且是極重症特效也可以適用的方案（\n\n06:50.985 --> 07:07.056\n有關水中適應的相關教材研發．目前我們就有一些現成的．包含國小跟國中的相關適應的一個教案．委員提到三個月邀請相關團體．來研定水中適應的體育指引的部分．這個部分我們可以來配合辦理\n\n07:07.950 --> 07:27.491\n好太好了非常感謝那我想次長接下來要和您討論教育多元化以及平權的問題最近我接到不少的家長陳情希望能夠來了解現行的國民教育法第6條第二項為協助前項實驗教育之發展主管機關應訂定相關補助規定\n\n07:30.494 --> 07:50.519\n這個前項實驗教育包含學校形態和非學校形態的實驗教育．但是本法修正以後已經公布施行將近一年了相關的補助規定依然是指紋樓梯響不見人下來想請教一下次長相關的補助規定目前研議進度究竟如何預計補助哪些內容什麼時候可以提出\n\n07:52.864 --> 08:17.597\n好謝謝跟委員報告一下那針對這個免學雜費的部分公立學校的部分是包含了學校型態的實驗教育學校我現在說非學校型態的實驗教育對非學校也是都有那委員提到了非學校型態的實驗教育的部分那這個學雜費是依照實際的需求是有學生資金來付但是沒有補助的但是你們已經有法條第6條這個項麻煩你們回去看齁\n\n08:18.637 --> 08:47.863\n為協助前項實驗教育之發展這個實驗教育是包含學校跟非學校的形態謝謝委員這個在去年國家法在研修的時候有一些討論訂了這一個已經通過了喔對有一些討論但沒有細則啊沒有施行啊那這個指向在研訂的過程中我們不是去直接補助學生學費而是補助了什麼第一我們可能會對特殊的學生一定要給他特殊的協助那個補助就會比較多但是整體的學校到底有沒有補助\n\n08:48.263 --> 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