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00:03:09,833\n我們苗栗縣這個山多田少那當然我們知道環境部對於太陽能光電的審查目前僅針對重要的濕地才做環境影響評估對吧是但是農業部為什麼對我們苗栗開發審查卻多了這個死虎生態的考量\n\n9\n00:03:11,281 --> 00:03:25,855\n跟委員說明實際上不是只有石斧所有光電案現在兩公頃以下的光電案已經關門不受理農地變更那如果是兩公頃以上的這個農地的變更案\n\n10\n00:03:26,596 --> 00:03:49,617\n那進到農業部之後第一個去檢視的是有沒有影響到農漁民的權利第二個我們去檢視這裡是不是重要的農業生產區第三個是跟生態關注的包括是不是在關注的生物那我請問一下我們死虎重要棲地的認定標準是什麼\n\n11\n00:03:51,282 --> 00:04:11,891\n我們林內保育署跟特有生物多樣性研究所有經過調查那調查的跟石斧有關的分成兩個部分第一個是石斧的熱點就是常常在那裡出現的那第二個是它潛在的移動區域以前台灣地區有石斧的地區有哪幾個縣市?\n\n12\n00:04:18,281 --> 00:04:40,335\n大概都是在接近台山縣的這一個部分只有苗栗嗎?我說從幾十年前開始苗栗、台中、南投都有臺北有嗎?臺北縣有嗎?臺北沒有新竹勒?新竹應該也沒有都沒有嗎?以前都沒有嗎?沒有,就是依照調查的紀錄是沒有的什麼時候開始做的調查?\n\n13\n00:04:42,441 --> 00:05:07,051\n什麼時候開始做的調查?這個是長期的調查。你的長期是多久?民國幾年開始?我們是累積了很久。很久是多少?大概應該民國八九十幾年。所以就是八九十年才開始調查就對了?對。那你們知道以前這些新竹、桃園、台北\n\n14\n00:05:08,752 --> 00:05:23,080\n這些完全都沒有失誤的出現嗎?早期應該更早期應該有因為台灣那時候生態沒有破壞那麼嚴重我現在要講的就是其實我們苗栗縣我為我們苗栗縣講一句公道話常常很多議題都拿苗栗縣來攻擊\n\n15\n00:05:24,962 --> 00:05:43,978\n其實我們本席認為苗栗縣其實是一個保育食糊的模範縣你認同吧?不然現在怎麼還那麼多呢?但是我們同意跟食糊來共同生存但是我們也不要無限上綱影響我們農民的權益部長認同嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:47,621 --> 00:06:07,842\n所以實際上有石斧的地方他有熱區或是潛在活動區域因為苗栗縣說真的很多開發都受到石斧熱區的影響所以我想要請部長訂定一個明確的標準讓我們縣市政府比較好執行我們不是不願意保護石斧\n\n17\n00:06:08,703 --> 00:06:30,277\n但是不能說因為石虎而影響我們農民生存的一個權利我想這是非常重要的甚至於我們地方的發展也受到影響不能說隨便畫一個樂區你們訂定的標準是什麼不能因為說經過看到石虎有一天經過這邊然後我們就把這整個地方框起來這個對我們苗栗縣的發展影響是非常重大的\n\n18\n00:06:30,897 --> 00:06:50,221\n是跟委員報告那有生態的議題實際上並不是不能開發有生態的議題要設法去如果真的是必要的開發會用縮小或是減緩或是生態補償的方式那要看有沒有辦法做到這樣所以你們現在就是還沒有一個好的辦法對不對沒有一個很明確的一個做法給我們這個議題是\n\n19\n00:06:58,862 --> 00:07:23,056\n我們苗栗縣不是不願意保護石虎我們也很願意來做這件事情因為其實苗栗縣對整個臺灣的貢獻其實是大家有目共睹的我講五個水庫其實三個水庫幾乎都是給其他縣市來用至於發電廠也一樣那再加上現在這個石虎我們保育沒有關係但是我也希望部長能夠重視我們地方農民的一個權益\n\n20\n00:07:23,792 --> 00:07:39,238\n是,我們剛好今天下午5點就會有一個討論就是跟我們生態議題相關的單位會到部裡面來做初步的這個看接下來要怎麼再可以兼顧生態這個多久可以給我一個報告是,好可以嗎,一個禮拜\n\n21\n00:07:43,636 --> 00:07:59,599\n一個禮拜可能沒有辦法有一個具體的規劃的內容今天是第一次的討論那第一次討論應該是比較方向性你跟我講多久可以做處理給我們兩個月的時間好不好就一個月\n\n22\n00:08:02,715 --> 00:08:28,366\n因為生態的議題實際上是很多大家在關注的因為對於苗栗縣來講我認為這個問題是非常重要的因為我們要好好的保育我們這個難得的這個非常可愛的石虎沒有錯但是我們也要顧及農民的權益我希望部長這邊給我我們農業部這邊給我一個月的時間給你們一個月的時間然後寫一個這個完整的一個報告給我可以嗎\n\n23\n00:08:29,347 --> 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