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00:03:06,062\n這個也就是市長今天我要跟您討論的因為就我們現在的霸凌防制準則當中我們對特教生我們有沒有另外額外的所訂定出的這個防制的標準以及相關的準則做法\n\n9\n00:03:07,163 --> 00:03:19,532\n目前在防制準則裡面是都是對所有的學生所以當然也包含一般生跟特教的學生是我們是普遍性的一個準則嘛並沒有來特定的這個瞭解現場的狀況以高雄的狀況來說高雄市教育局\n\n10\n00:03:23,255 --> 00:03:39,099\n因為剛好這個禮拜蘇小慧委員也召開了這個霸凌法制準則的公聽會那各縣市的這個教育局來分享他們的做法高雄的做法是呢他們針對這個學校通報的這個霸凌案件裡面若是特教生的專案在這個條件申訴結束之後會來進行追蹤\n\n11\n00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:44,520\n主席\n\n12\n00:04:04,842 --> 00:04:14,832\n他是系統性、長期性的有比較高比例的特教生遭霸凌的案件也許有這樣的狀況發生但以現在教育部我們手邊掌握的數據我們並沒有發現這樣的現象也許就是在我們處理過程當中被漏掉了所以是不是請教育部珍貴我們現在的霸凌防治準則\n\n13\n00:04:25,882 --> 00:04:42,602\n以及我們教育相學現場．有關於特教生．所遭受到霸凌的案件．我們來了解．然後看看能不能夠透過準則．來給予協助好不好好謝謝我跟委員補充一下．剛剛提到了．如果是發生這種霸凌案件．如果是屬於特教生的話．\n\n14\n00:04:43,163 --> 00:04:45,747\n我認為要明確定定在準則當中讓我們在教學現場有一個明確的指引來去處理好不好\n\n15\n00:05:00,666 --> 00:05:01,086\n特教法修法復旦決議\n\n16\n00:05:16,913 --> 00:05:35,069\n的特教預算增加的比例是16%那我們現在應該已經在報編明年度的預算明年的特教預算我們有沒有持續依照附帶決議的要求逐年的增加目前我們有沒有一個初步編列預算的金額\n\n17\n00:05:35,589 --> 00:05:58,768\n跟委員報告一下目前每年的4月份才剛剛在籌編可能才剛剛在開始啦是所以目前應該針對明年度會增加多少特交預算基本上應該還不是那麼明確啦不過我想這個部分會依照特殊教育法那個訂定新訂定是在這邊就要提醒教育部務必來依照我們去年在修法當中的附帶決議我們必須要來逐年增加因為這關係到了\n\n18\n00:06:00,449 --> 00:06:12,713\n我們對於特教老師還有特教助理員的支持請在預算方面我們要確實來編列可不可以做得到?會,我們會找,因為包含剛剛提到的特教的那個月薪制的專業人員每年會增加400個到116人100\n\n19\n00:06:16,495 --> 00:06:37,827\n所以我們在預算上面確實有所需要也確實要予以支持我看我們的這五年的特殊教育的統計年報我們的特教老師的師資總量確實是有所提高的這也是符合我們現場的需求但是我看到了在這個身障類別的特教室代理教師的比例\n\n20\n00:06:38,647 --> 00:06:53,563\n也是持續在增加尤其是在110年度這一個年度他代理教師的比例突然增加了翻倍將近是兩倍那其中呢又有一半的這代理教師他是不具教師資格的我想請問教育部為什麼會有這樣子的現象我們在現場究竟發生了什麼樣的問題我們的師資是嚴重不足嗎\n\n21\n00:07:02,652 --> 00:07:24,005\n111年主要當時候大概有歷經了兩三年的疫情的關係所以當時候那兩三年裡面有的縣市大概就沒有辦教師的一個徵選所以在111年學年度以後開始徵聘教師所以一下子就是需求的教師量比較大所以可能會導致到聘教師之後需要代理教師會增加的問題\n\n22\n00:07:24,765 --> 00:07:28,587\n現在代理教室的比例有回復到正常嗎?目前的部分是20.7%相較於110年是有減少稍加的減少\n\n23\n00:07:46,254 --> 00:08:12,610\n還是要去持續的努力來增加我們正式編制的教師對於各縣市政府控管中小學的教師人數大概都希望能夠降到一定的比例市長你看一下這個數字有關我們生長的教師採用代理教師這個比例除了整體的數字我認為仍然是偏高以外我們若以學前國小、國中、高中來看在學前的這個生長的師資\n\n24\n00:08:15,271 --> 00:08:15,291\n吳沛憶議員\n\n25\n00:08:34,625 --> 00:08:34,645\n吳沛憶\n\n26\n00:08:49,682 --> 00:08:51,082\n市長,我們現在要怎麼樣去降低這個代理教室的比例?我們的做法是什麼?\n\n27\n00:09:15,207 --> 00:09:42,003\n跟委員報告一下除了這個有包含的那個教師的部分是教育部來補助的部分那這個部分基本上我們會要求這種專程的部分來聘用這個教師那另外的話也針對各縣市政府聘的這個教師代理教師的比例的部分我們會列入到一般性的教育補助款裡面來做一個考核的一個準據那會做一個評分評比的部分針對比例比較高的部分會加強來做一個督導\n\n28\n00:09:42,643 --> 00:09:58,288\n所以我們的補助是我們很重要的政策工具所以請這個預算要務必的來核實來編列好不好再來就是說剛剛也有好幾位委員所關心到就是我們的適應體育我們在適應體育教學的現場目前的有具備我們適應體育職能的教師\n\n29\n00:10:06,585 --> 00:10:14,496\n市長你認為目前的教師充足嗎?目前的各級學校具備適應體育專業﹐職能的體育教師是打壓呆板著死\n\n30\n00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:21,642\n來你看一下我們各縣市教學現場適應體育教師的這個比例這個是國小的統計桃園市來說他的師生比是1比21那連江縣我們的離島的師生比是1比2其中呢就差了這個\n\n31\n00:10:44,628 --> 00:10:44,648\n吳沛憶\n\n32\n00:11:01,322 --> 00:11:01,342\n吳沛憶議員\n\n33\n00:11:30,845 --> 00:11:36,308\n沒有具有適應體育職能的教師能夠來協助教學所以我想我們除了看總體的數字我希望教育部可以來去了解各個縣市在教學現場我們現在適應體育教師的這個數量是否足夠\n\n34\n00:11:53,177 --> 00:11:58,679\n你一個是從體育老師來去增加培訓具有適應體育的職能一個是你特教的老師來去受相關的培訓那我想以現在我們這個老師施肢的來源來說倘若我們可以鼓勵來增加培訓的計畫以及數量的話我們應該是可以短期之內就可以來提升施育體育老師的施肢來源才對\n\n35\n00:12:20,186 --> 00:12:40,480\n所以這個部分教育部跟體育署是不是可以趕快來盤點一下我們各縣市教學現場現在目前適應體育老師的這個情況是跟委員報告一下目前那個體育老師跟特教老師具有適應體育這個教學能力資能的部分體育老師的部分是佔了25%點多特教老師是佔了24%點多\n\n36\n00:12:44,402 --> 00:13:11,670\n目前的部分的話,我們體育署也在111年也成立了適應體育的發展中心在臺灣巿大目前也跟了17個縣市在做一些的合作希望能夠來增加以及提供體制農教室的資能未來我們也會根據各縣市的體制農教室的人數的比例的部分我們真的比例比較偏低的還有沒有合作的縣市的部分,我們會加強來做一個辦理\n\n37\n00:13:12,891 --> 00:13:33,970\n比例偏低的縣市我們要怎麼加強?我們會請體育適應發展中心積極包含在該縣市來辦理兩個月內完成各縣市的盤點並且告訴我們如何來懸殊各縣市加強可不可以做到?最後我要提醒次長是有關於\n\n38\n00:13:35,387 --> 00:13:35,407\n吳沛憶議員\n\n39\n00:13:58,027 --> 00:14:25,884\n提出了很多的建議事項．尤其他提到說．他自己一個人的經驗．他到美國去參加律師考試的時候．這個主辦單位瞭解他的情況．便主動來安排．例如口述筆、代筆．或把考試的時間延長．甚至來安排他入住的旅館．有身障專用的房間等等相關的服務都是．他連講都不用講．\n\n40\n00:14:27,824 --> 00:14:28,384\n提供生長者的考試服務．\n\n41\n00:14:54,853 --> 00:15:02,611\n來提出我們可以主動的來協助的服務有哪些改善的事項可不可以在一個月內來把這個事情做好\n\n42\n00:15:04,834 --> 00:15:25,619\n跟委員報告一下我想在各類考試的部分因為如果針對生長生他可以來提出希望目前我們要他來申請而且我們有特定的項目我們能不能全面去瞭解他們受到的限制還有哪些是我們可以改善而且我們可以主動提出服務的我們一個月內來盤點檢討好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t7533\t謝謝主席我請教育部次長次長請\n14848\t38376\t吳委員好次長好前陣子發生一起社會的新聞案件就是學生打老師的個案那我想也跟我們今天的專報有所關係但其實我們如果回到長期的教育研究的累積國內外的研究都顯示身心障礙的學生被霸凌、被欺凌的比例是高於一般生\n39276\t61323\t以2019年英國的調查顯示﹐83%﹐8成以上的障礙學生曾經有被欺負的經驗﹐那美國的研究也指出﹐美國的身障學生被欺凌的機會是一般生的1.5倍﹐我們自己台灣本土的研究﹐也顯示特殊生遭受霸凌的比例﹐比一般學生\n61963\t84507\t多了是6.6倍那光是這一年我們從新聞上面搜尋看到的特教生被霸凌的個案今年3月臺中高職就傳出一起個案這個特教的學生是被拉扯頭髮今年5月的時候我們監察院也來糾正新北市教育局也就是新北市有一所國中裡面這個是由老師來霸凌柔道隊中的特教生\n90908\t117998\t今年的4月臺中也傳出有國小小6的特教生遭受到老師掐脖子、抓衣領去撞牆壁這樣的個案事件發生我們今年4月在我們自己臺北市也有國小副幼裡面的特教班5歲的男童因為嬉鬧那被老師也是有暴力的行為來對待那我想每一起的個案我們都應該要來重視那\n120879\t145765\t除了我們今年有看到發生很不幸的學生打老師的事件我們教育部應該要來協助老師學校在教育現場的專業但回到我們長期所看到的特教生遭遇到霸凌的這個常態我們教育部有沒有掌握相關客觀的數據那我們有沒有什麼樣的做法來協助解決這樣的現象\n147971\t171326\t跟委員報告一下剛剛統計數據資料的部分是抽樣得到這樣的數據我們這邊的部分大概也從校恩通報的一個案例的情形針對一般生跟特教生的部分去做一些的分析似乎兩者之間並沒有明顯差異的狀況我想這個部分也謝謝委員提供我們這個資料的部分我們會再持續做一個觀察\n172206\t186062\t這個也就是市長今天我要跟您討論的因為就我們現在的霸凌防制準則當中我們對特教生我們有沒有另外額外的所訂定出的這個防制的標準以及相關的準則做法\n187163\t199532\t目前在防制準則裡面是都是對所有的學生所以當然也包含一般生跟特教的學生是 我們是普遍性的一個準則嘛並沒有來特定的這個瞭解現場的狀況以高雄的狀況來說高雄市教育局\n203255\t219099\t因為剛好這個禮拜蘇小慧委員也召開了這個霸凌法制準則的公聽會那各縣市的這個教育局來分享他們的做法高雄的做法是呢他們針對這個學校通報的這個霸凌案件裡面若是特教生的專案在這個條件申訴結束之後會來進行追蹤\n224480\t224520\t主席\n244842\t254832\t他是系統性、長期性的有比較高比例的特教生遭霸凌的案件也許有這樣的狀況發生但以現在教育部我們手邊掌握的數據我們並沒有發現這樣的現象也許就是在我們處理過程當中被漏掉了所以是不是請教育部珍貴我們現在的霸凌防治準則\n265882\t282602\t以及我們教育相學現場．有關於特教生．所遭受到霸凌的案件．我們來了解．然後看看能不能夠透過準則．來給予協助好不好好 謝謝 我跟委員補充一下．剛剛提到了．如果是發生這種霸凌案件．如果是屬於特教生的話．\n283163\t285747\t我認為要明確定定在準則當中讓我們在教學現場有一個明確的指引來去處理好不好\n300666\t301086\t特教法修法復旦決議\n316913\t335069\t的特教預算增加的比例是16%那我們現在應該已經在報編明年度的預算明年的特教預算我們有沒有持續依照附帶決議的要求逐年的增加目前我們有沒有一個初步編列預算的金額\n335589\t358768\t跟委員報告一下目前每年的4月份才剛剛在籌編可能才剛剛在開始啦是所以目前應該針對明年度會增加多少特交預算基本上應該還不是那麼明確啦不過我想這個部分會依照特殊教育法那個訂定新訂定是在這邊就要提醒教育部務必來依照我們去年在修法當中的附帶決議我們必須要來逐年增加因為這關係到了\n360449\t372713\t我們對於特教老師還有特教助理員的支持請在預算方面我們要確實來編列可不可以做得到?會,我們會找,因為包含剛剛提到的特教的那個月薪制的專業人員每年會增加400個到116人100\n376495\t397827\t所以我們在預算上面確實有所需要也確實要予以支持我看我們的這五年的特殊教育的統計年報我們的特教老師的師資總量確實是有所提高的這也是符合我們現場的需求但是我看到了在這個身障類別的特教室代理教師的比例\n398647\t413563\t也是持續在增加尤其是在110年度這一個年度他代理教師的比例突然增加了翻倍將近是兩倍那其中呢又有一半的這代理教師他是不具教師資格的我想請問教育部為什麼會有這樣子的現象我們在現場究竟發生了什麼樣的問題我們的師資是嚴重不足嗎\n422652\t444005\t111年主要當時候大概有歷經了兩三年的疫情的關係所以當時候那兩三年裡面有的縣市大概就沒有辦教師的一個徵選所以在111年學年度以後開始徵聘教師所以一下子就是需求的教師量比較大所以可能會導致到聘教師之後需要代理教師會增加的問題\n444765\t448587\t現在代理教室的比例有回復到正常嗎?目前的部分是20.7%相較於110年是有減少稍加的減少\n466254\t492610\t還是要去持續的努力來增加我們正式編制的教師對於各縣市政府控管中小學的教師人數大概都希望能夠降到一定的比例市長你看一下這個數字有關我們生長的教師採用代理教師這個比例除了整體的數字我認為仍然是偏高以外我們若以學前國小、國中、高中來看在學前的這個生長的師資\n495271\t495291\t吳沛憶議員\n514625\t514645\t吳沛憶\n529682\t531082\t市長,我們現在要怎麼樣去降低這個代理教室的比例?我們的做法是什麼?\n555207\t582003\t跟委員報告一下除了這個有包含的那個教師的部分是教育部來補助的部分那這個部分基本上我們會要求這種專程的部分來聘用這個教師那另外的話也針對各縣市政府聘的這個教師代理教師的比例的部分我們會列入到一般性的教育補助款裡面來做一個考核的一個準據那會做一個評分評比的部分針對比例比較高的部分會加強來做一個督導\n582643\t598288\t所以我們的補助是我們很重要的政策工具所以請這個預算要務必的來核實來編列好不好再來就是說剛剛也有好幾位委員所關心到就是我們的適應體育我們在適應體育教學的現場目前的有具備我們適應體育職能的教師\n606585\t614496\t市長你認為目前的教師充足嗎?目前的各級學校具備適應體育專業﹐職能的體育教師是打壓呆板著死\n615680\t621642\t來你看一下我們各縣市教學現場適應體育教師的這個比例這個是國小的統計桃園市來說他的師生比是1比21那連江縣我們的離島的師生比是1比2其中呢就差了這個\n644628\t644648\t吳沛憶\n661322\t661342\t吳沛憶議員\n690845\t696308\t沒有具有適應體育職能的教師能夠來協助教學所以我想我們除了看總體的數字我希望教育部可以來去了解各個縣市在教學現場我們現在適應體育教師的這個數量是否足夠\n713177\t718679\t你一個是從體育老師來去增加培訓具有適應體育的職能一個是你特教的老師來去受相關的培訓那我想以現在我們這個老師施肢的來源來說倘若我們可以鼓勵來增加培訓的計畫以及數量的話我們應該是可以短期之內就可以來提升施育體育老師的施肢來源才對\n740186\t760480\t所以這個部分教育部跟體育署是不是可以趕快來盤點一下我們各縣市教學現場現在目前適應體育老師的這個情況是 跟委員報告一下目前那個體育老師跟特教老師具有適應體育這個教學能力資能的部分體育老師的部分是佔了25%點多特教老師是佔了24%點多\n764402\t791670\t目前的部分的話,我們體育署也在111年也成立了適應體育的發展中心在臺灣巿大目前也跟了17個縣市在做一些的合作希望能夠來增加以及提供體制農教室的資能未來我們也會根據各縣市的體制農教室的人數的比例的部分我們真的比例比較偏低的還有沒有合作的縣市的部分,我們會加強來做一個辦理\n792891\t813970\t比例偏低的縣市我們要怎麼加強?我們會請體育適應發展中心積極包含在該縣市來辦理兩個月內完成各縣市的盤點並且告訴我們如何來懸殊各縣市加強可不可以做到?最後我要提醒次長是有關於\n815387\t815407\t吳沛憶議員\n838027\t865884\t提出了很多的建議事項．尤其他提到說．他自己一個人的經驗．他到美國去參加律師考試的時候．這個主辦單位瞭解他的情況．便主動來安排．例如口述筆、代筆．或把考試的時間延長．甚至來安排他入住的旅館．有身障專用的房間等等相關的服務都是．他連講都不用講．\n867824\t868384\t提供生長者的考試服務．\n894853\t902611\t來提出我們可以主動的來協助的服務有哪些改善的事項可不可以在一個月內來把這個事情做好\n904834\t925619\t跟委員報告一下我想在各類考試的部分因為如果針對生長生他可以來提出希望目前我們要他來申請而且我們有特定的項目我們能不能全面去瞭解他們受到的限制還有哪些是我們可以改善而且我們可以主動提出服務的我們一個月內來盤點檢討好不好好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席我請教育部次長次長請\n吳委員好次長好前陣子發生一起社會的新聞案件就是學生打老師的個案那我想也跟我們今天的專報有所關係但其實我們如果回到長期的教育研究的累積國內外的研究都顯示身心障礙的學生被霸凌、被欺凌的比例是高於一般生\n以2019年英國的調查顯示﹐83%﹐8成以上的障礙學生曾經有被欺負的經驗﹐那美國的研究也指出﹐美國的身障學生被欺凌的機會是一般生的1.5倍﹐我們自己台灣本土的研究﹐也顯示特殊生遭受霸凌的比例﹐比一般學生\n多了是6.6倍那光是這一年我們從新聞上面搜尋看到的特教生被霸凌的個案今年3月臺中高職就傳出一起個案這個特教的學生是被拉扯頭髮今年5月的時候我們監察院也來糾正新北市教育局也就是新北市有一所國中裡面這個是由老師來霸凌柔道隊中的特教生\n今年的4月臺中也傳出有國小小6的特教生遭受到老師掐脖子、抓衣領去撞牆壁這樣的個案事件發生我們今年4月在我們自己臺北市也有國小副幼裡面的特教班5歲的男童因為嬉鬧那被老師也是有暴力的行為來對待那我想每一起的個案我們都應該要來重視那\n除了我們今年有看到發生很不幸的學生打老師的事件我們教育部應該要來協助老師學校在教育現場的專業但回到我們長期所看到的特教生遭遇到霸凌的這個常態我們教育部有沒有掌握相關客觀的數據那我們有沒有什麼樣的做法來協助解決這樣的現象\n跟委員報告一下剛剛統計數據資料的部分是抽樣得到這樣的數據我們這邊的部分大概也從校恩通報的一個案例的情形針對一般生跟特教生的部分去做一些的分析似乎兩者之間並沒有明顯差異的狀況我想這個部分也謝謝委員提供我們這個資料的部分我們會再持續做一個觀察\n這個也就是市長今天我要跟您討論的因為就我們現在的霸凌防制準則當中我們對特教生我們有沒有另外額外的所訂定出的這個防制的標準以及相關的準則做法\n目前在防制準則裡面是都是對所有的學生所以當然也包含一般生跟特教的學生是 我們是普遍性的一個準則嘛並沒有來特定的這個瞭解現場的狀況以高雄的狀況來說高雄市教育局\n因為剛好這個禮拜蘇小慧委員也召開了這個霸凌法制準則的公聽會那各縣市的這個教育局來分享他們的做法高雄的做法是呢他們針對這個學校通報的這個霸凌案件裡面若是特教生的專案在這個條件申訴結束之後會來進行追蹤\n主席\n他是系統性、長期性的有比較高比例的特教生遭霸凌的案件也許有這樣的狀況發生但以現在教育部我們手邊掌握的數據我們並沒有發現這樣的現象也許就是在我們處理過程當中被漏掉了所以是不是請教育部珍貴我們現在的霸凌防治準則\n以及我們教育相學現場．有關於特教生．所遭受到霸凌的案件．我們來了解．然後看看能不能夠透過準則．來給予協助好不好好 謝謝 我跟委員補充一下．剛剛提到了．如果是發生這種霸凌案件．如果是屬於特教生的話．\n我認為要明確定定在準則當中讓我們在教學現場有一個明確的指引來去處理好不好\n特教法修法復旦決議\n的特教預算增加的比例是16%那我們現在應該已經在報編明年度的預算明年的特教預算我們有沒有持續依照附帶決議的要求逐年的增加目前我們有沒有一個初步編列預算的金額\n跟委員報告一下目前每年的4月份才剛剛在籌編可能才剛剛在開始啦是所以目前應該針對明年度會增加多少特交預算基本上應該還不是那麼明確啦不過我想這個部分會依照特殊教育法那個訂定新訂定是在這邊就要提醒教育部務必來依照我們去年在修法當中的附帶決議我們必須要來逐年增加因為這關係到了\n我們對於特教老師還有特教助理員的支持請在預算方面我們要確實來編列可不可以做得到?會,我們會找,因為包含剛剛提到的特教的那個月薪制的專業人員每年會增加400個到116人100\n所以我們在預算上面確實有所需要也確實要予以支持我看我們的這五年的特殊教育的統計年報我們的特教老師的師資總量確實是有所提高的這也是符合我們現場的需求但是我看到了在這個身障類別的特教室代理教師的比例\n也是持續在增加尤其是在110年度這一個年度他代理教師的比例突然增加了翻倍將近是兩倍那其中呢又有一半的這代理教師他是不具教師資格的我想請問教育部為什麼會有這樣子的現象我們在現場究竟發生了什麼樣的問題我們的師資是嚴重不足嗎\n111年主要當時候大概有歷經了兩三年的疫情的關係所以當時候那兩三年裡面有的縣市大概就沒有辦教師的一個徵選所以在111年學年度以後開始徵聘教師所以一下子就是需求的教師量比較大所以可能會導致到聘教師之後需要代理教師會增加的問題\n現在代理教室的比例有回復到正常嗎?目前的部分是20.7%相較於110年是有減少稍加的減少\n還是要去持續的努力來增加我們正式編制的教師對於各縣市政府控管中小學的教師人數大概都希望能夠降到一定的比例市長你看一下這個數字有關我們生長的教師採用代理教師這個比例除了整體的數字我認為仍然是偏高以外我們若以學前國小、國中、高中來看在學前的這個生長的師資\n吳沛憶議員\n吳沛憶\n市長,我們現在要怎麼樣去降低這個代理教室的比例?我們的做法是什麼?\n跟委員報告一下除了這個有包含的那個教師的部分是教育部來補助的部分那這個部分基本上我們會要求這種專程的部分來聘用這個教師那另外的話也針對各縣市政府聘的這個教師代理教師的比例的部分我們會列入到一般性的教育補助款裡面來做一個考核的一個準據那會做一個評分評比的部分針對比例比較高的部分會加強來做一個督導\n所以我們的補助是我們很重要的政策工具所以請這個預算要務必的來核實來編列好不好再來就是說剛剛也有好幾位委員所關心到就是我們的適應體育我們在適應體育教學的現場目前的有具備我們適應體育職能的教師\n市長你認為目前的教師充足嗎?目前的各級學校具備適應體育專業﹐職能的體育教師是打壓呆板著死\n來你看一下我們各縣市教學現場適應體育教師的這個比例這個是國小的統計桃園市來說他的師生比是1比21那連江縣我們的離島的師生比是1比2其中呢就差了這個\n吳沛憶\n吳沛憶議員\n沒有具有適應體育職能的教師能夠來協助教學所以我想我們除了看總體的數字我希望教育部可以來去了解各個縣市在教學現場我們現在適應體育教師的這個數量是否足夠\n你一個是從體育老師來去增加培訓具有適應體育的職能一個是你特教的老師來去受相關的培訓那我想以現在我們這個老師施肢的來源來說倘若我們可以鼓勵來增加培訓的計畫以及數量的話我們應該是可以短期之內就可以來提升施育體育老師的施肢來源才對\n所以這個部分教育部跟體育署是不是可以趕快來盤點一下我們各縣市教學現場現在目前適應體育老師的這個情況是 跟委員報告一下目前那個體育老師跟特教老師具有適應體育這個教學能力資能的部分體育老師的部分是佔了25%點多特教老師是佔了24%點多\n目前的部分的話,我們體育署也在111年也成立了適應體育的發展中心在臺灣巿大目前也跟了17個縣市在做一些的合作希望能夠來增加以及提供體制農教室的資能未來我們也會根據各縣市的體制農教室的人數的比例的部分我們真的比例比較偏低的還有沒有合作的縣市的部分,我們會加強來做一個辦理\n比例偏低的縣市我們要怎麼加強?我們會請體育適應發展中心積極包含在該縣市來辦理兩個月內完成各縣市的盤點並且告訴我們如何來懸殊各縣市加強可不可以做到?最後我要提醒次長是有關於\n吳沛憶議員\n提出了很多的建議事項．尤其他提到說．他自己一個人的經驗．他到美國去參加律師考試的時候．這個主辦單位瞭解他的情況．便主動來安排．例如口述筆、代筆．或把考試的時間延長．甚至來安排他入住的旅館．有身障專用的房間等等相關的服務都是．他連講都不用講．\n提供生長者的考試服務．\n來提出我們可以主動的來協助的服務有哪些改善的事項可不可以在一個月內來把這個事情做好\n跟委員報告一下我想在各類考試的部分因為如果針對生長生他可以來提出希望目前我們要他來申請而且我們有特定的項目我們能不能全面去瞭解他們受到的限制還有哪些是我們可以改善而且我們可以主動提出服務的我們一個月內來盤點檢討好不好好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:07.533\n謝謝主席我請教育部次長次長請\n\n00:14.848 --> 00:38.376\n吳委員好次長好前陣子發生一起社會的新聞案件就是學生打老師的個案那我想也跟我們今天的專報有所關係但其實我們如果回到長期的教育研究的累積國內外的研究都顯示身心障礙的學生被霸凌、被欺凌的比例是高於一般生\n\n00:39.276 --> 01:01.323\n以2019年英國的調查顯示﹐83%﹐8成以上的障礙學生曾經有被欺負的經驗﹐那美國的研究也指出﹐美國的身障學生被欺凌的機會是一般生的1.5倍﹐我們自己台灣本土的研究﹐也顯示特殊生遭受霸凌的比例﹐比一般學生\n\n01:01.963 --> 01:24.507\n多了是6.6倍那光是這一年我們從新聞上面搜尋看到的特教生被霸凌的個案今年3月臺中高職就傳出一起個案這個特教的學生是被拉扯頭髮今年5月的時候我們監察院也來糾正新北市教育局也就是新北市有一所國中裡面這個是由老師來霸凌柔道隊中的特教生\n\n01:30.908 --> 01:57.998\n今年的4月臺中也傳出有國小小6的特教生遭受到老師掐脖子、抓衣領去撞牆壁這樣的個案事件發生我們今年4月在我們自己臺北市也有國小副幼裡面的特教班5歲的男童因為嬉鬧那被老師也是有暴力的行為來對待那我想每一起的個案我們都應該要來重視那\n\n02:00.879 --> 02:25.765\n除了我們今年有看到發生很不幸的學生打老師的事件我們教育部應該要來協助老師學校在教育現場的專業但回到我們長期所看到的特教生遭遇到霸凌的這個常態我們教育部有沒有掌握相關客觀的數據那我們有沒有什麼樣的做法來協助解決這樣的現象\n\n02:27.971 --> 02:51.326\n跟委員報告一下剛剛統計數據資料的部分是抽樣得到這樣的數據我們這邊的部分大概也從校恩通報的一個案例的情形針對一般生跟特教生的部分去做一些的分析似乎兩者之間並沒有明顯差異的狀況我想這個部分也謝謝委員提供我們這個資料的部分我們會再持續做一個觀察\n\n02:52.206 --> 03:06.062\n這個也就是市長今天我要跟您討論的因為就我們現在的霸凌防制準則當中我們對特教生我們有沒有另外額外的所訂定出的這個防制的標準以及相關的準則做法\n\n03:07.163 --> 03:19.532\n目前在防制準則裡面是都是對所有的學生所以當然也包含一般生跟特教的學生是我們是普遍性的一個準則嘛並沒有來特定的這個瞭解現場的狀況以高雄的狀況來說高雄市教育局\n\n03:23.255 --> 03:39.099\n因為剛好這個禮拜蘇小慧委員也召開了這個霸凌法制準則的公聽會那各縣市的這個教育局來分享他們的做法高雄的做法是呢他們針對這個學校通報的這個霸凌案件裡面若是特教生的專案在這個條件申訴結束之後會來進行追蹤\n\n03:44.480 --> 03:44.520\n主席\n\n04:04.842 --> 04:14.832\n他是系統性、長期性的有比較高比例的特教生遭霸凌的案件也許有這樣的狀況發生但以現在教育部我們手邊掌握的數據我們並沒有發現這樣的現象也許就是在我們處理過程當中被漏掉了所以是不是請教育部珍貴我們現在的霸凌防治準則\n\n04:25.882 --> 04:42.602\n以及我們教育相學現場．有關於特教生．所遭受到霸凌的案件．我們來了解．然後看看能不能夠透過準則．來給予協助好不好好謝謝我跟委員補充一下．剛剛提到了．如果是發生這種霸凌案件．如果是屬於特教生的話．\n\n04:43.163 --> 04:45.747\n我認為要明確定定在準則當中讓我們在教學現場有一個明確的指引來去處理好不好\n\n05:00.666 --> 05:01.086\n特教法修法復旦決議\n\n05:16.913 --> 05:35.069\n的特教預算增加的比例是16%那我們現在應該已經在報編明年度的預算明年的特教預算我們有沒有持續依照附帶決議的要求逐年的增加目前我們有沒有一個初步編列預算的金額\n\n05:35.589 --> 05:58.768\n跟委員報告一下目前每年的4月份才剛剛在籌編可能才剛剛在開始啦是所以目前應該針對明年度會增加多少特交預算基本上應該還不是那麼明確啦不過我想這個部分會依照特殊教育法那個訂定新訂定是在這邊就要提醒教育部務必來依照我們去年在修法當中的附帶決議我們必須要來逐年增加因為這關係到了\n\n06:00.449 --> 06:12.713\n我們對於特教老師還有特教助理員的支持請在預算方面我們要確實來編列可不可以做得到?會,我們會找,因為包含剛剛提到的特教的那個月薪制的專業人員每年會增加400個到116人100\n\n06:16.495 --> 06:37.827\n所以我們在預算上面確實有所需要也確實要予以支持我看我們的這五年的特殊教育的統計年報我們的特教老師的師資總量確實是有所提高的這也是符合我們現場的需求但是我看到了在這個身障類別的特教室代理教師的比例\n\n06:38.647 --> 06:53.563\n也是持續在增加尤其是在110年度這一個年度他代理教師的比例突然增加了翻倍將近是兩倍那其中呢又有一半的這代理教師他是不具教師資格的我想請問教育部為什麼會有這樣子的現象我們在現場究竟發生了什麼樣的問題我們的師資是嚴重不足嗎\n\n07:02.652 --> 07:24.005\n111年主要當時候大概有歷經了兩三年的疫情的關係所以當時候那兩三年裡面有的縣市大概就沒有辦教師的一個徵選所以在111年學年度以後開始徵聘教師所以一下子就是需求的教師量比較大所以可能會導致到聘教師之後需要代理教師會增加的問題\n\n07:24.765 --> 07:28.587\n現在代理教室的比例有回復到正常嗎?目前的部分是20.7%相較於110年是有減少稍加的減少\n\n07:46.254 --> 08:12.610\n還是要去持續的努力來增加我們正式編制的教師對於各縣市政府控管中小學的教師人數大概都希望能夠降到一定的比例市長你看一下這個數字有關我們生長的教師採用代理教師這個比例除了整體的數字我認為仍然是偏高以外我們若以學前國小、國中、高中來看在學前的這個生長的師資\n\n08:15.271 --> 08:15.291\n吳沛憶議員\n\n08:34.625 --> 08:34.645\n吳沛憶\n\n08:49.682 --> 08:51.082\n市長,我們現在要怎麼樣去降低這個代理教室的比例?我們的做法是什麼?\n\n09:15.207 --> 09:42.003\n跟委員報告一下除了這個有包含的那個教師的部分是教育部來補助的部分那這個部分基本上我們會要求這種專程的部分來聘用這個教師那另外的話也針對各縣市政府聘的這個教師代理教師的比例的部分我們會列入到一般性的教育補助款裡面來做一個考核的一個準據那會做一個評分評比的部分針對比例比較高的部分會加強來做一個督導\n\n09:42.643 --> 09:58.288\n所以我們的補助是我們很重要的政策工具所以請這個預算要務必的來核實來編列好不好再來就是說剛剛也有好幾位委員所關心到就是我們的適應體育我們在適應體育教學的現場目前的有具備我們適應體育職能的教師\n\n10:06.585 --> 10:14.496\n市長你認為目前的教師充足嗎?目前的各級學校具備適應體育專業﹐職能的體育教師是打壓呆板著死\n\n10:15.680 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我們是普遍性的一個準則嘛並沒有來特定的這個瞭解現場的狀況以高雄的狀況來說高雄市教育局"},{"start":203.255,"end":219.099,"text":"因為剛好這個禮拜蘇小慧委員也召開了這個霸凌法制準則的公聽會那各縣市的這個教育局來分享他們的做法高雄的做法是呢他們針對這個學校通報的這個霸凌案件裡面若是特教生的專案在這個條件申訴結束之後會來進行追蹤"},{"start":224.48,"end":224.52,"text":"主席"},{"start":244.842,"end":254.832,"text":"他是系統性、長期性的有比較高比例的特教生遭霸凌的案件也許有這樣的狀況發生但以現在教育部我們手邊掌握的數據我們並沒有發現這樣的現象也許就是在我們處理過程當中被漏掉了所以是不是請教育部珍貴我們現在的霸凌防治準則"},{"start":265.882,"end":282.602,"text":"以及我們教育相學現場．有關於特教生．所遭受到霸凌的案件．我們來了解．然後看看能不能夠透過準則．來給予協助好不好好 謝謝 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跟委員報告一下目前那個體育老師跟特教老師具有適應體育這個教學能力資能的部分體育老師的部分是佔了25%點多特教老師是佔了24%點多"},{"start":764.402,"end":791.67,"text":"目前的部分的話,我們體育署也在111年也成立了適應體育的發展中心在臺灣巿大目前也跟了17個縣市在做一些的合作希望能夠來增加以及提供體制農教室的資能未來我們也會根據各縣市的體制農教室的人數的比例的部分我們真的比例比較偏低的還有沒有合作的縣市的部分,我們會加強來做一個辦理"},{"start":792.891,"end":813.97,"text":"比例偏低的縣市我們要怎麼加強?我們會請體育適應發展中心積極包含在該縣市來辦理兩個月內完成各縣市的盤點並且告訴我們如何來懸殊各縣市加強可不可以做到?最後我要提醒次長是有關於"},{"start":815.387,"end":815.407,"text":"吳沛憶議員"},{"start":838.027,"end":865.884,"text":"提出了很多的建議事項．尤其他提到說．他自己一個人的經驗．他到美國去參加律師考試的時候．這個主辦單位瞭解他的情況．便主動來安排．例如口述筆、代筆．或把考試的時間延長．甚至來安排他入住的旅館．有身障專用的房間等等相關的服務都是．他連講都不用講．"},{"start":867.824,"end":868.384,"text":"提供生長者的考試服務．"},{"start":894.853,"end":902.611,"text":"來提出我們可以主動的來協助的服務有哪些改善的事項可不可以在一個月內來把這個事情做好"},{"start":904.834,"end":925.619,"text":"跟委員報告一下我想在各類考試的部分因為如果針對生長生他可以來提出希望目前我們要他來申請而且我們有特定的項目我們能不能全面去瞭解他們受到的限制還有哪些是我們可以改善而且我們可以主動提出服務的我們一個月內來盤點檢討好不好好 謝謝"}]}}}}