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00:03:19,403\n有沒有覺得他們其實兒福聯盟他們成立的目的違反了剛剛我所唸的這是教育部主管機關底下的裁斷法人您覺得有沒有違反以這個個案來提到確實這個兒童聯盟對於這個它的宗旨的部分是有檢討的空間\n\n9\n00:03:19,923 --> 00:03:39,211\n我相信大家都在檢討衛福部的同時但是大家都忽略了教育部其實是兒福聯盟的主管機關之一而且是非常重要的主管機關我們再來看一下財團法人法的第29條第3條違反捐助章程所定定的一個目的\n\n10\n00:03:40,131 --> 00:04:03,349\n根據凱凱事件我剛剛所念的他們成立的目的好回過頭來在所謂的懲處的部分我們做出了什麼樣的一個措施跟委員報告一下我想針對這一次的這個重大的社會案件的部分因為這裡面也涉及到這個額蒙所推動的這個包含收出養根保母的這個\n\n11\n00:04:05,230 --> 00:04:10,674\n主管機關得與糾正甚至評鑑限期改善．如果沒有限期改善．其實是可以廢止的\n\n12\n00:04:33,329 --> 00:04:35,630\n3月11日才看新聞才知道的,要不要追責?\n\n13\n00:04:58,989 --> 00:05:02,752\n各級學校在心理健康的問題平傳前幾天我們看到在桃園一所國中女生因為長期被霸凌跳樓\n\n14\n00:05:21,284 --> 00:05:37,157\n這個事情不是發生在國中不是只有發生在高中甚至連同我們在看到這則新聞的報導一所私立科大他上學期發現有40個人他有自傷親身的風險其中有10個人是真的有這樣子的一個行動但是\n\n15\n00:05:37,917 --> 00:05:58,970\n雖然結果我們還好有擋下來但是這個問題其實依舊在存在我們來看一下我們的失陪的部分因為我們一直在強調所謂的普特融合我們不希望普特融合當中其實還有所謂的情緒障礙這些所謂的隱性的特教生其實也處在普特融合的班級裡頭\n\n16\n00:06:00,291 --> 00:06:01,092\n教師培養教師培養教師培養教師培養\n\n17\n00:06:18,491 --> 00:06:44,936\n小學教師的部份他們的施培中心我們看到特殊教育他的必修三堂課再來教育心理學必修是兩個學分另外在教育方法的一個課程等等我們再往下看到了國中到了高中其實包含我們剛剛所提到的校園暴力的事件或霸凌的事件甚至於所謂的\n\n18\n00:06:45,896 --> 00:06:46,276\n李慧琼議員\n\n19\n00:07:05,842 --> 00:07:07,243\n該委員報告就誠如該委員的一個說明目前在我們的那個\n\n20\n00:07:26,113 --> 00:07:26,734\n新增包括次專長\n\n21\n00:07:51,957 --> 00:07:52,117\n提供討論﹚\n\n22\n00:08:11,434 --> 00:08:35,134\n因為這是第一線普科老師他們在班上可能會面對到的所謂的突發狀況的問題為了我們要維持保障所有孩子他們的受教權其實這個部分其實還是必須要加入失陪的重點重點的部分好不好一方面是失陪啦二方面是這個教室進入到職場之後的代資進修的增能我想這個都會持續來做一個半\n\n23\n00:08:36,155 --> 00:08:36,876\n特交助理員的人力嚴重不足\n\n24\n00:08:51,510 --> 00:08:54,432\n教育部有承諾關於特教助理員和所謂的部分工時的特教助理員他們的薪資會從調整的部分從1400小時下修到800小時\n\n25\n00:09:10,443 --> 00:09:33,869\n這個是好意但是我們再來看看如果一般的學生他們所謂的要申請所謂特教助理員的協助到底是因為因應學生的需求還是因為經費的一個判斷這個部分我們可能要來考慮清楚因為當然我們知道其實調薪是個美意那我相信其實也會慢慢的受惠\n\n26\n00:09:34,329 --> 00:09:51,507\n在特教助理員我們也承諾在4年當中會增加1600個人也就是說會在每年增加400個人回到剛剛特教助理員嚴重不足的那張表我們可以看得到包含我們以新北市來講部分工時1792個人\n\n27\n00:09:56,152 --> 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