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00:02:23,331\n然後還要選擇設置再加一線反而沒有考慮水源充足的這個雲林線這一點可能要部長來回答這是不是完全政治考量\n\n8\n00:02:25,087 --> 00:02:30,690\n不是那應該是這樣講他台積電他需要先進的這個製程還有先進的封裝那所以先進的封裝現在是被國際的客戶追著跑所以先進封裝這個在嘉義縣這個已經評估了好幾個月了那相關的東西那現在是定案的東西我知道是定案啦但是定案是\n\n9\n00:02:49,722 --> 00:03:04,202\n這個決策也太奇怪了吧?明顯用水量不足嘛,否則為什麼要從湖山水庫調水?一天要調多少水?因為第一個台灣的水本來就是連通在調度。請問一下一天如果假設每日要使用多少水?\n\n10\n00:03:05,299 --> 00:03:08,220\n我看了報紙,報紙說水利署說要從雲林縣湖山水庫一天調用4萬噸的水,是不是?這個不是,絕對不是,因為嘉義它最多的用水只有3.6萬噸,台積電這個廠\n\n11\n00:03:25,228 --> 00:03:42,049\n那你要站出來反對啊為什麼報紙都這樣寫是我們全國區域調度計畫17條備援管線裡面這個管線的通水能力事實上現在雲林跟嘉義或是雲林跟彰化之間也存在類似的管線\n\n12\n00:03:42,850 --> 00:04:12,230\n我完全理解但我不理解說為什麼選址在這裡用水不足還選址在這裡然後還要從雲林縣調水嘉義也有全國全台灣最大的曾文水庫啊為什麼不直接從曾文水庫供水為什麼為什麼要從雲林縣的湖山水庫供水曾文水庫的集水區全部都在嘉義縣但是曾文水庫座落在台南市那湖山水庫的集水區也很多部分在嘉義這寫得非常清楚啊你仔細看\n\n13\n00:04:13,735 --> 00:04:30,465\n他是可以提供工業用水的我們雲林縣的湖山水庫他有其他更重要的功能他除了民生用水優先之外他還有防止地層下限的功能你把他調去工業用水是不是違反了當初湖山水庫設置的環評\n\n14\n00:04:31,946 --> 00:04:54,671\n不會。我們當時湖山水庫設置的環評委員跟我都非常的清楚以優先供應雲林地區的民生用水為主6清以外的用水次之是基本上我們現在6清以外的這個用水第二優先那我跟署長跟部長說一下就是說假設這個問題請你們好好\n\n15\n00:04:57,412 --> 00:05:00,794\n回答這個問題假設供給嘉義台積電是所謂的第二優先順位如果雲林地區的用水遇到困難了請問會立刻停止向嘉義供水嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:13,007 --> 00:05:39,187\n這基本上我們是區域調度的那湖山水庫的效益總共43.2沒有我問你嘛我一直都回答是或不是而已如果假設雲林縣的用水量不足用水困難會不會停止向嘉義供水台積電是不是要因此而停工你回答我我們全國的調度都是由內而外當然雲林用水有剩餘的時候才會才去支應其他的地區\n\n17\n00:05:41,709 --> 00:05:56,678\n這是你的承諾嗎?這是你的承諾?也是部長的承諾嗎?部長請問一下假設真的缺水的時候是民生用水優先還是你會讓民生用水犧牲去支援嘉義的台積電?\n\n18\n00:05:57,999 --> 00:06:02,683\n不會啦,我們一定都是民生用水優先啦這是部長的承諾我還記得2021年的時候南部有兩個縣市高雄跟屏東因為缺水反發生了這個強水大戰當時的這個陳其邁市長半夜率隊去挖開屏東的水稻飲水引來潘孟安縣長的不滿\n\n19\n00:06:22,419 --> 00:06:39,528\n難道這樣的事情就不可能不會發生在雲林跟嘉義嗎這是你們要嚴格去把關的我們在這裡本席在這裡堅決反對從湖山水庫調用水到嘉義去支援台積電\n\n20\n00:06:41,116 --> 00:06:56,766\n他不是一個從直接從那邊來這個必須要是嘉義自己優先來提供那另外也會增加這個相關的科技用水那剛才講的那個是一些備援的部分那對台灣為什麼不能從這個曾文水庫掉水呢為什麼他的網管就長的不一樣曾文水庫\n\n21\n00:07:02,590 --> 00:07:28,215\n你說網管這個都可以經濟部責成那個自來水公司來建置啊為什麼不能建置呢?你為了這個台積電對啊沒有台灣就這麼小本來就是大家互相支援對假設我們雲林縣不缺水不缺電不缺土地我們現在只是缺一個公平的決定所以呢這一點喔未來如果還有\n\n22\n00:07:29,935 --> 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這寫得非常清楚啊你仔細看\n253735\t270465\t他是可以提供工業用水的我們雲林縣的湖山水庫他有其他更重要的功能他除了民生用水優先之外他還有防止地層下限的功能你把他調去工業用水是不是違反了當初湖山水庫設置的環評\n271946\t294671\t不會。我們當時湖山水庫設置的環評委員跟我都非常的清楚以優先供應雲林地區的民生用水為主6清以外的用水次之是基本上我們現在6清以外的這個用水第二優先那我跟署長跟部長說一下就是說假設這個問題請你們好好\n297412\t300794\t回答這個問題假設供給嘉義台積電是所謂的第二優先順位如果雲林地區的用水遇到困難了請問會立刻停止向嘉義供水嗎?\n313007\t339187\t這基本上我們是區域調度的那湖山水庫的效益總共43.2沒有我問你嘛我一直都回答是或不是而已如果假設雲林縣的用水量不足用水困難會不會停止向嘉義供水台積電是不是要因此而停工你回答我我們全國的調度都是由內而外當然雲林用水有剩餘的時候才會才去支應其他的地區\n341709\t356678\t這是你的承諾嗎?這是你的承諾?也是部長的承諾嗎?部長請問一下假設真的缺水的時候是民生用水優先還是你會讓民生用水犧牲去支援嘉義的台積電?\n357999\t362683\t不會啦,我們一定都是民生用水優先啦這是部長的承諾我還記得2021年的時候南部有兩個縣市高雄跟屏東因為缺水反發生了這個強水大戰當時的這個陳其邁市長半夜率隊去挖開屏東的水稻飲水引來潘孟安縣長的不滿\n382419\t399528\t難道這樣的事情就不可能不會發生在雲林跟嘉義嗎這是你們要嚴格去把關的我們在這裡本席在這裡堅決反對從湖山水庫調用水到嘉義去支援台積電\n401116\t416766\t他不是一個從直接從那邊來這個必須要是嘉義自己優先來提供那另外也會增加這個相關的科技用水那剛才講的那個是一些備援的部分那對台灣為什麼不能從這個曾文水庫掉水呢為什麼他的網管就長的不一樣曾文水庫\n422590\t448215\t你說網管這個都可以經濟部責成那個自來水公司來建置啊為什麼不能建置呢?你為了這個台積電 對啊沒有台灣就這麼小本來就是大家互相支援 對假設我們雲林縣不缺水不缺電不缺土地我們現在只是缺一個公平的決定所以呢這一點喔未來如果還有\n449935\t454157\t要擴廠的這機會是不是請部長能夠優先考量雲林縣是謝謝委員我們一定會來評估是就是一個湖山水庫的建制其實署長就知道湖山水庫的建制有多麼困難你要興建一個新的水庫在這樣子的社會民情之下有多麼的困難我們所有的鄉親可以說是大家都因應期盼說台積電可以設置在雲林縣\n478050\t482071\t因為我們有這樣子一個水庫的優勢結果到底是什麼樣子的專業考量會讓你們去選擇在用水不足的嘉義縣這是專業考量嗎跟委員報告他現在的封測的急需要趕快把封測蓋出來那因為他的科學園區已經好了然後已經可以再進駐了所以他其實是馬上就可以動工\n507858\t508160\t多多支持謝謝!\n","txt":"主席 我想請王美花部長好 我們再請王部長\n部長我想請問你是不是瞭解這一周非常重大的新聞就是台積電的兩座先進封測場即將要落腳在這個嘉義科學園區那現在我聽到水利署有在計劃說因為嘉義用水不足要調用雲林縣湖山水庫的水是否屬實\n這不是夠不夠的問題是不是有要使用湖山水庫的水?\n當區內的再生水在調度的時候短期裡面我們區域的調度是有必要的短期是什麼時候目前雲林事實上也有從包括我們現在在建設的從彰化支援到雲林短期是多久你知道我們政府有很多什麼暫行條例一失失就是20年50年你知道嗎絕對不會絕對不會\n所以短期是多久你告訴我在這個他們區內的他們自建的再生水廠還有包括嘉義的再生水廠完成之前多久?多久?差不多118年嘉義限制的擴大限制的再生水廠就會完成了那所以要使用湖山水庫的水多久?\n這個要看現場的速度喔還有他未來他使用的會員 你們應該有一個時程吧 有一個時程吧 這個時程是不是可以提供給本席辦公室 可以沒有問題 因為這一點喔雲林縣的鄉親是憤憤不平 為什麼嘉義縣用水不足\n然後還要選擇設置再加一線反而沒有考慮水源充足的這個雲林線這一點可能要部長來回答這是不是完全政治考量\n不是那應該是這樣講他台積電他需要先進的這個製程還有先進的封裝那所以先進的封裝現在是被國際的客戶追著跑所以先進封裝這個在嘉義縣這個已經評估了好幾個月了那相關的東西那現在是定案的東西我知道是定案啦但是定案是\n這個決策也太奇怪了吧?明顯用水量不足嘛,否則為什麼要從湖山水庫調水?一天要調多少水?因為第一個台灣的水本來就是連通在調度。請問一下一天如果假設每日要使用多少水?\n我看了報紙,報紙說水利署說要從雲林縣湖山水庫一天調用4萬噸的水,是不是?這個不是,絕對不是,因為嘉義它最多的用水只有3.6萬噸,台積電這個廠\n那你要站出來反對啊 為什麼報紙都這樣寫是我們全國區域調度計畫17條備援管線裡面這個管線的通水能力事實上現在雲林跟嘉義或是雲林跟彰化之間也存在類似的管線\n我完全理解但我不理解說為什麼選址在這裡用水不足還選址在這裡然後還要從雲林縣調水嘉義也有全國全台灣最大的曾文水庫啊為什麼不直接從曾文水庫供水為什麼為什麼要從雲林縣的湖山水庫供水曾文水庫的集水區全部都在嘉義縣但是曾文水庫座落在台南市那湖山水庫的集水區也很多部分在嘉義 這寫得非常清楚啊你仔細看\n他是可以提供工業用水的我們雲林縣的湖山水庫他有其他更重要的功能他除了民生用水優先之外他還有防止地層下限的功能你把他調去工業用水是不是違反了當初湖山水庫設置的環評\n不會。我們當時湖山水庫設置的環評委員跟我都非常的清楚以優先供應雲林地區的民生用水為主6清以外的用水次之是基本上我們現在6清以外的這個用水第二優先那我跟署長跟部長說一下就是說假設這個問題請你們好好\n回答這個問題假設供給嘉義台積電是所謂的第二優先順位如果雲林地區的用水遇到困難了請問會立刻停止向嘉義供水嗎?\n這基本上我們是區域調度的那湖山水庫的效益總共43.2沒有我問你嘛我一直都回答是或不是而已如果假設雲林縣的用水量不足用水困難會不會停止向嘉義供水台積電是不是要因此而停工你回答我我們全國的調度都是由內而外當然雲林用水有剩餘的時候才會才去支應其他的地區\n這是你的承諾嗎?這是你的承諾?也是部長的承諾嗎?部長請問一下假設真的缺水的時候是民生用水優先還是你會讓民生用水犧牲去支援嘉義的台積電?\n不會啦,我們一定都是民生用水優先啦這是部長的承諾我還記得2021年的時候南部有兩個縣市高雄跟屏東因為缺水反發生了這個強水大戰當時的這個陳其邁市長半夜率隊去挖開屏東的水稻飲水引來潘孟安縣長的不滿\n難道這樣的事情就不可能不會發生在雲林跟嘉義嗎這是你們要嚴格去把關的我們在這裡本席在這裡堅決反對從湖山水庫調用水到嘉義去支援台積電\n他不是一個從直接從那邊來這個必須要是嘉義自己優先來提供那另外也會增加這個相關的科技用水那剛才講的那個是一些備援的部分那對台灣為什麼不能從這個曾文水庫掉水呢為什麼他的網管就長的不一樣曾文水庫\n你說網管這個都可以經濟部責成那個自來水公司來建置啊為什麼不能建置呢?你為了這個台積電 對啊沒有台灣就這麼小本來就是大家互相支援 對假設我們雲林縣不缺水不缺電不缺土地我們現在只是缺一個公平的決定所以呢這一點喔未來如果還有\n要擴廠的這機會是不是請部長能夠優先考量雲林縣是謝謝委員我們一定會來評估是就是一個湖山水庫的建制其實署長就知道湖山水庫的建制有多麼困難你要興建一個新的水庫在這樣子的社會民情之下有多麼的困難我們所有的鄉親可以說是大家都因應期盼說台積電可以設置在雲林縣\n因為我們有這樣子一個水庫的優勢結果到底是什麼樣子的專業考量會讓你們去選擇在用水不足的嘉義縣這是專業考量嗎跟委員報告他現在的封測的急需要趕快把封測蓋出來那因為他的科學園區已經好了然後已經可以再進駐了所以他其實是馬上就可以動工\n多多支持謝謝!\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.641 --> 00:12.747\n主席我想請王美花部長好我們再請王部長\n\n00:15.066 --> 00:44.054\n部長我想請問你是不是瞭解這一周非常重大的新聞就是台積電的兩座先進封測場即將要落腳在這個嘉義科學園區那現在我聽到水利署有在計劃說因為嘉義用水不足要調用雲林縣湖山水庫的水是否屬實\n\n00:46.820 --> 00:49.661\n這不是夠不夠的問題是不是有要使用湖山水庫的水?\n\n01:10.587 --> 01:29.303\n當區內的再生水在調度的時候短期裡面我們區域的調度是有必要的短期是什麼時候目前雲林事實上也有從包括我們現在在建設的從彰化支援到雲林短期是多久你知道我們政府有很多什麼暫行條例一失失就是20年50年你知道嗎絕對不會絕對不會\n\n01:32.145 --> 01:52.478\n所以短期是多久你告訴我在這個他們區內的他們自建的再生水廠還有包括嘉義的再生水廠完成之前多久?多久?差不多118年嘉義限制的擴大限制的再生水廠就會完成了那所以要使用湖山水庫的水多久?\n\n01:54.562 --> 02:05.755\n這個要看現場的速度喔還有他未來他使用的會員你們應該有一個時程吧有一個時程吧這個時程是不是可以提供給本席辦公室可以沒有問題因為這一點喔雲林縣的鄉親是憤憤不平為什麼嘉義縣用水不足\n\n02:12.623 --> 02:23.331\n然後還要選擇設置再加一線反而沒有考慮水源充足的這個雲林線這一點可能要部長來回答這是不是完全政治考量\n\n02:25.087 --> 02:30.690\n不是那應該是這樣講他台積電他需要先進的這個製程還有先進的封裝那所以先進的封裝現在是被國際的客戶追著跑所以先進封裝這個在嘉義縣這個已經評估了好幾個月了那相關的東西那現在是定案的東西我知道是定案啦但是定案是\n\n02:49.722 --> 03:04.202\n這個決策也太奇怪了吧?明顯用水量不足嘛,否則為什麼要從湖山水庫調水?一天要調多少水?因為第一個台灣的水本來就是連通在調度。請問一下一天如果假設每日要使用多少水?\n\n03:05.299 --> 03:08.220\n我看了報紙,報紙說水利署說要從雲林縣湖山水庫一天調用4萬噸的水,是不是?這個不是,絕對不是,因為嘉義它最多的用水只有3.6萬噸,台積電這個廠\n\n03:25.228 --> 03:42.049\n那你要站出來反對啊為什麼報紙都這樣寫是我們全國區域調度計畫17條備援管線裡面這個管線的通水能力事實上現在雲林跟嘉義或是雲林跟彰化之間也存在類似的管線\n\n03:42.850 --> 04:12.230\n我完全理解但我不理解說為什麼選址在這裡用水不足還選址在這裡然後還要從雲林縣調水嘉義也有全國全台灣最大的曾文水庫啊為什麼不直接從曾文水庫供水為什麼為什麼要從雲林縣的湖山水庫供水曾文水庫的集水區全部都在嘉義縣但是曾文水庫座落在台南市那湖山水庫的集水區也很多部分在嘉義這寫得非常清楚啊你仔細看\n\n04:13.735 --> 04:30.465\n他是可以提供工業用水的我們雲林縣的湖山水庫他有其他更重要的功能他除了民生用水優先之外他還有防止地層下限的功能你把他調去工業用水是不是違反了當初湖山水庫設置的環評\n\n04:31.946 --> 04:54.671\n不會。我們當時湖山水庫設置的環評委員跟我都非常的清楚以優先供應雲林地區的民生用水為主6清以外的用水次之是基本上我們現在6清以外的這個用水第二優先那我跟署長跟部長說一下就是說假設這個問題請你們好好\n\n04:57.412 --> 05:00.794\n回答這個問題假設供給嘉義台積電是所謂的第二優先順位如果雲林地區的用水遇到困難了請問會立刻停止向嘉義供水嗎?\n\n05:13.007 --> 05:39.187\n這基本上我們是區域調度的那湖山水庫的效益總共43.2沒有我問你嘛我一直都回答是或不是而已如果假設雲林縣的用水量不足用水困難會不會停止向嘉義供水台積電是不是要因此而停工你回答我我們全國的調度都是由內而外當然雲林用水有剩餘的時候才會才去支應其他的地區\n\n05:41.709 --> 05:56.678\n這是你的承諾嗎?這是你的承諾?也是部長的承諾嗎?部長請問一下假設真的缺水的時候是民生用水優先還是你會讓民生用水犧牲去支援嘉義的台積電?\n\n05:57.999 --> 06:02.683\n不會啦,我們一定都是民生用水優先啦這是部長的承諾我還記得2021年的時候南部有兩個縣市高雄跟屏東因為缺水反發生了這個強水大戰當時的這個陳其邁市長半夜率隊去挖開屏東的水稻飲水引來潘孟安縣長的不滿\n\n06:22.419 --> 06:39.528\n難道這樣的事情就不可能不會發生在雲林跟嘉義嗎這是你們要嚴格去把關的我們在這裡本席在這裡堅決反對從湖山水庫調用水到嘉義去支援台積電\n\n06:41.116 --> 06:56.766\n他不是一個從直接從那邊來這個必須要是嘉義自己優先來提供那另外也會增加這個相關的科技用水那剛才講的那個是一些備援的部分那對台灣為什麼不能從這個曾文水庫掉水呢為什麼他的網管就長的不一樣曾文水庫\n\n07:02.590 --> 07:28.215\n你說網管這個都可以經濟部責成那個自來水公司來建置啊為什麼不能建置呢?你為了這個台積電對啊沒有台灣就這麼小本來就是大家互相支援對假設我們雲林縣不缺水不缺電不缺土地我們現在只是缺一個公平的決定所以呢這一點喔未來如果還有\n\n07:29.935 --> 07:34.157\n要擴廠的這機會是不是請部長能夠優先考量雲林縣是謝謝委員我們一定會來評估是就是一個湖山水庫的建制其實署長就知道湖山水庫的建制有多麼困難你要興建一個新的水庫在這樣子的社會民情之下有多麼的困難我們所有的鄉親可以說是大家都因應期盼說台積電可以設置在雲林縣\n\n07:58.050 --> 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