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00:03:35,749\n以中華民國憲法的總統權力比美國總統還大所以我們在交憲法都會這樣說是所以剛剛秘書長有說您現在發現就是說我們其實中華民國憲法總統權力是比美國的總統都還要大對那我剛剛想很強調的就是說總統的做的這些總統的政策決定包含人事的人民提名權是不是必須要向全民負責我所謂的全民是因為這個總統是由我們民眾一票一票所投出來的我現在還沒有談到跟立法院立法權有關係\n\n11\n00:03:37,210 --> 00:03:39,731\n蔡總統有700多天也沒有開過記者會這也是全民期待而且認為總統怎麼可以在任這麼長的一段時間都不出來為任何的政策\n\n12\n00:04:00,322 --> 00:04:00,342\n韓國瑜議員\n\n13\n00:04:18,069 --> 00:04:41,483\n大家知道,其實從民國89年修憲之後到目前為止沒有任何一位總統有機會到立法院進行國情報告是,不曉得秘書長您有沒有發現這是一個什麼原因為什麼總統都沒有機會來到立法院進行國情報告呢?\n\n14\n00:04:44,164 --> 00:05:11,787\n曾經兩度啦在陳總統的時候陳總統自己本身一次另外就是透過秘書長陳灘山也來了一函兩次但是立法院沒有接受那如果說以剛才翁委員所提的一個情形有些的情況因為我們自己本身已經訂了二條第一二章之一的這個聽取國情報告如果我剛才一開始有說立法院有決定權\n\n15\n00:05:12,708 --> 00:05:29,035\n所以立法院有決定領地15條之後他的要件成立立法院當然可以啟動他如果要來也要經過立法院同意他才能來因為大家有條文的規定對我想其實剛剛秘書長只提到陳總統的部分他其實陳總統在2004年陳水扁2004年2007年馬總統在2012年還有2015年的時候以及這個蔡總統2017年等等其實當時都有\n\n16\n00:05:42,521 --> 00:05:45,945\n希望說能夠到立法院來進行國情報告但是很可惜他們都沒有來程沒有來程的原因當然是不同的政黨那對他們總統來進行國情報告有意見可是我必須說時代在改變我們人民的希望期盼其實也在改變\n\n17\n00:06:03,322 --> 00:06:05,583\n所以新國會必須要有新氣象那麼我們現在承載的全民的復託我們希望我們的總統能夠可以清楚的把它未來怎麼樣帶領國家如何的施政方針必須要跟全民說清楚那麼這也是我們這一次之所以要提出\n\n18\n00:06:26,153 --> 00:06:27,014\n立法院得聽取總統國情報告\n\n19\n00:06:40,473 --> 00:07:06,901\n得的意思代表說立法院可以不聽取可以邀請也可以不邀請那以我們過去這麼多年來的這個實務的情況來看其實就算是總統他很希望能夠來這個立法院把事情講清楚可是立法委員卻不接受那麼這個部分我覺得其實是立法院自己本身的怠惰那麼我們承接著全民的這個托付那麼希望\n\n20\n00:07:07,621 --> 00:07:31,351\n未來能夠邀請總統立行性的必須要來進行國情報告這也是一個開大門走大路而且同時這也是一個向全民負責的一個最好的施政的展現在這次的立法院的職權行使法我們其實是立法院本身採取最嚴格的自我要求我們必須要將未來邀請總統來進行國情報告的事情讓他常態化\n\n21\n00:07:36,873 --> 00:07:38,214\n中華民國總統至立法院進行國情報告及詢答模式之建議\n\n22\n00:08:04,468 --> 00:08:04,708\n中華民國總統至立法院進行國情報告\n\n23\n00:08:31,429 --> 00:08:31,589\n請教秘書長\n\n24\n00:08:58,592 --> 00:08:59,913\n直詢權是一個憲法上面很重要的一個\n\n25\n00:09:24,945 --> 00:09:25,065\n立法委員．\n\n26\n00:09:51,118 --> 00:10:11,568\n民意代表認為有不明瞭的地方可以再就教總統所以相關的細節的部分本來就是我們立法院可以自己再去訂定的那另外我也認為這也是可能過去立法院一直沒有注意到的一件事情其實國民大會當時他們基本上在之前憲法之修條文裡面是有\n\n27\n00:10:12,148 --> 00:10:13,730\n國民大會聽取總統國情報告並檢討國事提供建議實施辦法但是很遺憾我們說89年\n\n28\n00:10:28,744 --> 00:10:48,725\n執行的權利改成聽取報告的權利由立法院行使之後我們始終沒有訂定相關的辦法那我也認為這個是一個立法的疏失那未來的話應該要再積極的把它訂定上去那最後就是剛剛\n\n29\n00:10:50,868 --> 00:11:16,940\n秘書長一直有提到所謂的15條之二就現行的法律的15條之二其實現行的立法院徵修職權行使法的第15條之二其實還是總統他還是仍然是可以拒絕的就算是立法院經過院會決議可以說是聽取總統國情報告但是在我們現在法律設計上面如果我們遇到一個賴皮的總統他仍然是可以不來\n\n30\n00:11:18,834 --> 00:11:30,068\n不知道您是否同意因為這個是義務性的設計啦我在報告也特別講如果加了這句話如果照剛剛翁維說他也不來怎麼辦\n\n31\n00:11:32,601 --> 00:11:47,830\n但是如果說我們現在依照我們現在的修法版本裡面總統不得拒絕或者是總統就應該要來的話他就必須來可是在我們原來現在的現行條文裡面的第15條之2其實如果真的遇到一個會耍賴的總統\n\n32\n00:11:48,871 --> 00:12:05,374\n她是可以不來的我管你立法院你要經過多少的這個委員的提案用會決議由程序委員會安排好會議之後她還是可以拒絕不來所以也就是說我們現在法律基本上它是個道德的最低標準我們是在防弊\n\n33\n00:12:06,255 --> 00:12:25,468\n我們當然不希望把總統都把他想像成他是個小人他是個會耍賴是個無賴我們立法委員我們行使了我們職權可是他還是會不來但是把法制設計完整把這個防備機制全部都做好我認為其實是有必要的\n\n34\n00:12:25,828 --> 00:12:31,350\n還有最後一個部分就是針對有關於總統國情報告萬一遇到緊急狀態的時候要怎麼處理還有就是說跟這個集會的時間會不會有一些問題我想坦白說這應該是屬於立法\n\n35\n00:12:43,675 --> 00:12:46,297\n委員秘書處的議事規則要去處理的再跟實際上我們如果大政方針確定了就是要這麼做再怎麼樣的困難去邀請總統來進行國情報告的時間我認為其實都可以安排出來\n\n36\n00:13:00,726 --> 00:13:15,109\n更何況說就現在行政院院長來我們立法院接受這個質詢他們進行報告施政報告同樣也會遇到有緊急狀態可是好像現在立法院也沒有處理所以本席認為啦這應該不構成什麼太這個太多的困難是很難克服的這個問題好那以上那我想今天就叫這個秘書長也謝謝您的辛苦了\n\n37\n00:13:28,311 --> 00:13:28,895\n李志明委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n26\t1267\t主席好 各位委員好辛苦秘書長今天一早大家都針對我們這次幾個委員還有黨團這裡所提出來的有關於總統到立法院進行國情報告的事情向您請教我也拜讀了秘書長這裡所提出來的\n29133\t29353\t民主政治是責任政治\n48308\t61121\t所以責任政治的意思就是執政者必須要對他的政策的成敗要負起責任那這邊我們談的應該就是所謂權責相符的概念您認同吧\n62883\t84178\t我稍微要稍微補充一句因為這可能會讓外界對我後面的說法可能會有點誤解因為這一個機制的設計是因為行政院憲法徵求條件第三條第二項第一款裡面所設的這一個是民意政治跟責任政治可能行政院立法院有一層關係\n85959\t87421\t執政者要不要為他的執政政策的成敗負政治責任?\n102782\t121221\t執政者這裡的概念可以像秘書長說的我們可以分很多不同的層次但是就國家最高最重要的執政者我相信全民的理解都應該就是我們只選出來的總統那麼如果說我們認同的是權責相符的概念那麼\n122983\t140862\t總統作為國家元首三軍統帥他現在依照憲法規定他也主導國防外交的相關事務並且實質上他因為他任命了行政院院長他也實質的控制了所有國家最重要的這個大政方針\n141843\t166397\t同時他也直接提名任命行政司法考試監察等等的這些擁有這些人事任命權所以在擁有如此龐大權力的這個總統您認為他需不需要就他的決策就他的人事任命等等這些權力的這些狀的決定必須要向全民說清楚必須向全民負責\n169401\t186363\t所以他這個狀況我要這樣說明就是說總統跟立法院之間因為總統本身的這些職權上因為修憲因為我自己交憲我還了解到他是已經目前的\n187426\t215749\t以中華民國憲法的總統權力比美國總統還大所以我們在交憲法都會這樣說是 所以剛剛秘書長有說您現在發現就是說我們其實中華民國憲法總統權力是比美國的總統都還要大對 那我剛剛想很強調的就是說總統的做的這些總統的政策決定包含人事的人民提名權是不是必須要向全民負責我所謂的全民是因為這個總統是由我們民眾一票一票所投出來的我現在還沒有談到跟立法院立法權有關係\n217210\t219731\t蔡總統有700多天也沒有開過記者會這也是全民期待而且認為總統怎麼可以在任這麼長的一段時間都不出來為任何的政策\n240322\t240342\t韓國瑜議員\n258069\t281483\t大家知道,其實從民國89年修憲之後到目前為止沒有任何一位總統有機會到立法院進行國情報告是,不曉得秘書長您有沒有發現這是一個什麼原因為什麼總統都沒有機會來到立法院進行國情報告呢?\n284164\t311787\t曾經兩度啦在陳總統的時候陳總統自己本身一次另外就是透過秘書長陳灘山也來了一函兩次但是立法院沒有接受那如果說以剛才翁委員所提的一個情形有些的情況因為我們自己本身已經訂了二條第一二章之一的這個聽取國情報告如果我剛才一開始有說立法院有決定權\n312708\t329035\t所以立法院有決定領地15條之後他的要件成立立法院當然可以啟動他如果要來也要經過立法院同意他才能來因為大家有條文的規定對我想其實剛剛秘書長只提到陳總統的部分他其實陳總統在2004年陳水扁2004年2007年馬總統在2012年還有2015年的時候以及這個蔡總統2017年等等其實當時都有\n342521\t345945\t希望說能夠到立法院來進行國情報告但是很可惜他們都沒有來程沒有來程的原因當然是不同的政黨那對他們總統來進行國情報告有意見可是我必須說時代在改變我們人民的希望期盼其實也在改變\n363322\t365583\t所以新國會必須要有新氣象那麼我們現在承載的全民的復託我們希望我們的總統能夠可以清楚的把它未來怎麼樣帶領國家如何的施政方針必須要跟全民說清楚那麼這也是我們這一次之所以要提出\n386153\t387014\t立法院得聽取總統國情報告\n400473\t426901\t得的意思代表說立法院可以不聽取可以邀請也可以不邀請那以我們過去這麼多年來的這個實務的情況來看其實就算是總統他很希望能夠來這個立法院把事情講清楚可是立法委員卻不接受那麼這個部分我覺得其實是立法院自己本身的怠惰那麼我們承接著全民的這個托付那麼希望\n427621\t451351\t未來能夠邀請總統立行性的必須要來進行國情報告這也是一個開大門走大路而且同時這也是一個向全民負責的一個最好的施政的展現在這次的立法院的職權行使法我們其實是立法院本身採取最嚴格的自我要求我們必須要將未來邀請總統來進行國情報告的事情讓他常態化\n456873\t458214\t中華民國總統至立法院進行國情報告及詢答模式之建議\n484468\t484708\t中華民國總統至立法院進行國情報告\n511429\t511589\t請教秘書長\n538592\t539913\t直詢權是一個憲法上面很重要的一個\n564945\t565065\t立法委員．\n591118\t611568\t民意代表認為有不明瞭的地方可以再就教總統所以相關的細節的部分本來就是我們立法院可以自己再去訂定的那另外我也認為這也是可能過去立法院一直沒有注意到的一件事情其實國民大會當時他們基本上在之前憲法之修條文裡面是有\n612148\t613730\t國民大會聽取總統國情報告並檢討國事提供建議實施辦法但是很遺憾我們說89年\n628744\t648725\t執行的權利改成聽取報告的權利由立法院行使之後我們始終沒有訂定相關的辦法那我也認為這個是一個立法的疏失那未來的話應該要再積極的把它訂定上去那最後就是剛剛\n650868\t676940\t秘書長一直有提到所謂的15條之二就現行的法律的15條之二其實現行的立法院徵修職權行使法的第15條之二其實還是總統他還是仍然是可以拒絕的就算是立法院經過院會決議可以說是聽取總統國情報告但是在我們現在法律設計上面如果我們遇到一個賴皮的總統他仍然是可以不來\n678834\t690068\t不知道您是否同意因為這個是義務性的設計啦我在報告也特別講如果加了這句話如果照剛剛翁維說他也不來怎麼辦\n692601\t707830\t但是如果說我們現在依照我們現在的修法版本裡面總統不得拒絕或者是總統就應該要來的話他就必須來可是在我們原來現在的現行條文裡面的第15條之2其實如果真的遇到一個會耍賴的總統\n708871\t725374\t她是可以不來的我管你立法院你要經過多少的這個委員的提案 用會決議由程序委員會安排好會議之後她還是可以拒絕不來所以也就是說我們現在法律基本上它是個道德的最低標準我們是在防弊\n726255\t745468\t我們當然不希望把總統都把他想像成他是個小人他是個會耍賴是個無賴我們立法委員我們行使了我們職權可是他還是會不來但是把法制設計完整把這個防備機制全部都做好我認為其實是有必要的\n745828\t751350\t還有最後一個部分就是針對有關於總統國情報告萬一遇到緊急狀態的時候要怎麼處理還有就是說跟這個集會的時間會不會有一些問題我想坦白說這應該是屬於立法\n763675\t766297\t委員秘書處的議事規則要去處理的再跟實際上我們如果大政方針確定了就是要這麼做再怎麼樣的困難去邀請總統來進行國情報告的時間我認為其實都可以安排出來\n780726\t795109\t更何況說就現在行政院院長來我們立法院接受這個質詢他們進行報告施政報告同樣也會遇到有緊急狀態可是好像現在立法院也沒有處理所以本席認為啦這應該不構成什麼太這個太多的困難是很難克服的這個問題好那以上那我想今天就叫這個秘書長也謝謝您的辛苦了\n808311\t808895\t李志明委員\n","txt":"主席好 各位委員好辛苦秘書長今天一早大家都針對我們這次幾個委員還有黨團這裡所提出來的有關於總統到立法院進行國情報告的事情向您請教我也拜讀了秘書長這裡所提出來的\n民主政治是責任政治\n所以責任政治的意思就是執政者必須要對他的政策的成敗要負起責任那這邊我們談的應該就是所謂權責相符的概念您認同吧\n我稍微要稍微補充一句因為這可能會讓外界對我後面的說法可能會有點誤解因為這一個機制的設計是因為行政院憲法徵求條件第三條第二項第一款裡面所設的這一個是民意政治跟責任政治可能行政院立法院有一層關係\n執政者要不要為他的執政政策的成敗負政治責任?\n執政者這裡的概念可以像秘書長說的我們可以分很多不同的層次但是就國家最高最重要的執政者我相信全民的理解都應該就是我們只選出來的總統那麼如果說我們認同的是權責相符的概念那麼\n總統作為國家元首三軍統帥他現在依照憲法規定他也主導國防外交的相關事務並且實質上他因為他任命了行政院院長他也實質的控制了所有國家最重要的這個大政方針\n同時他也直接提名任命行政司法考試監察等等的這些擁有這些人事任命權所以在擁有如此龐大權力的這個總統您認為他需不需要就他的決策就他的人事任命等等這些權力的這些狀的決定必須要向全民說清楚必須向全民負責\n所以他這個狀況我要這樣說明就是說總統跟立法院之間因為總統本身的這些職權上因為修憲因為我自己交憲我還了解到他是已經目前的\n以中華民國憲法的總統權力比美國總統還大所以我們在交憲法都會這樣說是 所以剛剛秘書長有說您現在發現就是說我們其實中華民國憲法總統權力是比美國的總統都還要大對 那我剛剛想很強調的就是說總統的做的這些總統的政策決定包含人事的人民提名權是不是必須要向全民負責我所謂的全民是因為這個總統是由我們民眾一票一票所投出來的我現在還沒有談到跟立法院立法權有關係\n蔡總統有700多天也沒有開過記者會這也是全民期待而且認為總統怎麼可以在任這麼長的一段時間都不出來為任何的政策\n韓國瑜議員\n大家知道,其實從民國89年修憲之後到目前為止沒有任何一位總統有機會到立法院進行國情報告是,不曉得秘書長您有沒有發現這是一個什麼原因為什麼總統都沒有機會來到立法院進行國情報告呢?\n曾經兩度啦在陳總統的時候陳總統自己本身一次另外就是透過秘書長陳灘山也來了一函兩次但是立法院沒有接受那如果說以剛才翁委員所提的一個情形有些的情況因為我們自己本身已經訂了二條第一二章之一的這個聽取國情報告如果我剛才一開始有說立法院有決定權\n所以立法院有決定領地15條之後他的要件成立立法院當然可以啟動他如果要來也要經過立法院同意他才能來因為大家有條文的規定對我想其實剛剛秘書長只提到陳總統的部分他其實陳總統在2004年陳水扁2004年2007年馬總統在2012年還有2015年的時候以及這個蔡總統2017年等等其實當時都有\n希望說能夠到立法院來進行國情報告但是很可惜他們都沒有來程沒有來程的原因當然是不同的政黨那對他們總統來進行國情報告有意見可是我必須說時代在改變我們人民的希望期盼其實也在改變\n所以新國會必須要有新氣象那麼我們現在承載的全民的復託我們希望我們的總統能夠可以清楚的把它未來怎麼樣帶領國家如何的施政方針必須要跟全民說清楚那麼這也是我們這一次之所以要提出\n立法院得聽取總統國情報告\n得的意思代表說立法院可以不聽取可以邀請也可以不邀請那以我們過去這麼多年來的這個實務的情況來看其實就算是總統他很希望能夠來這個立法院把事情講清楚可是立法委員卻不接受那麼這個部分我覺得其實是立法院自己本身的怠惰那麼我們承接著全民的這個托付那麼希望\n未來能夠邀請總統立行性的必須要來進行國情報告這也是一個開大門走大路而且同時這也是一個向全民負責的一個最好的施政的展現在這次的立法院的職權行使法我們其實是立法院本身採取最嚴格的自我要求我們必須要將未來邀請總統來進行國情報告的事情讓他常態化\n中華民國總統至立法院進行國情報告及詢答模式之建議\n中華民國總統至立法院進行國情報告\n請教秘書長\n直詢權是一個憲法上面很重要的一個\n立法委員．\n民意代表認為有不明瞭的地方可以再就教總統所以相關的細節的部分本來就是我們立法院可以自己再去訂定的那另外我也認為這也是可能過去立法院一直沒有注意到的一件事情其實國民大會當時他們基本上在之前憲法之修條文裡面是有\n國民大會聽取總統國情報告並檢討國事提供建議實施辦法但是很遺憾我們說89年\n執行的權利改成聽取報告的權利由立法院行使之後我們始終沒有訂定相關的辦法那我也認為這個是一個立法的疏失那未來的話應該要再積極的把它訂定上去那最後就是剛剛\n秘書長一直有提到所謂的15條之二就現行的法律的15條之二其實現行的立法院徵修職權行使法的第15條之二其實還是總統他還是仍然是可以拒絕的就算是立法院經過院會決議可以說是聽取總統國情報告但是在我們現在法律設計上面如果我們遇到一個賴皮的總統他仍然是可以不來\n不知道您是否同意因為這個是義務性的設計啦我在報告也特別講如果加了這句話如果照剛剛翁維說他也不來怎麼辦\n但是如果說我們現在依照我們現在的修法版本裡面總統不得拒絕或者是總統就應該要來的話他就必須來可是在我們原來現在的現行條文裡面的第15條之2其實如果真的遇到一個會耍賴的總統\n她是可以不來的我管你立法院你要經過多少的這個委員的提案 用會決議由程序委員會安排好會議之後她還是可以拒絕不來所以也就是說我們現在法律基本上它是個道德的最低標準我們是在防弊\n我們當然不希望把總統都把他想像成他是個小人他是個會耍賴是個無賴我們立法委員我們行使了我們職權可是他還是會不來但是把法制設計完整把這個防備機制全部都做好我認為其實是有必要的\n還有最後一個部分就是針對有關於總統國情報告萬一遇到緊急狀態的時候要怎麼處理還有就是說跟這個集會的時間會不會有一些問題我想坦白說這應該是屬於立法\n委員秘書處的議事規則要去處理的再跟實際上我們如果大政方針確定了就是要這麼做再怎麼樣的困難去邀請總統來進行國情報告的時間我認為其實都可以安排出來\n更何況說就現在行政院院長來我們立法院接受這個質詢他們進行報告施政報告同樣也會遇到有緊急狀態可是好像現在立法院也沒有處理所以本席認為啦這應該不構成什麼太這個太多的困難是很難克服的這個問題好那以上那我想今天就叫這個秘書長也謝謝您的辛苦了\n李志明委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.026 --> 00:01.267\n主席好各位委員好辛苦秘書長今天一早大家都針對我們這次幾個委員還有黨團這裡所提出來的有關於總統到立法院進行國情報告的事情向您請教我也拜讀了秘書長這裡所提出來的\n\n00:29.133 --> 00:29.353\n民主政治是責任政治\n\n00:48.308 --> 01:01.121\n所以責任政治的意思就是執政者必須要對他的政策的成敗要負起責任那這邊我們談的應該就是所謂權責相符的概念您認同吧\n\n01:02.883 --> 01:24.178\n我稍微要稍微補充一句因為這可能會讓外界對我後面的說法可能會有點誤解因為這一個機制的設計是因為行政院憲法徵求條件第三條第二項第一款裡面所設的這一個是民意政治跟責任政治可能行政院立法院有一層關係\n\n01:25.959 --> 01:27.421\n執政者要不要為他的執政政策的成敗負政治責任?\n\n01:42.782 --> 02:01.221\n執政者這裡的概念可以像秘書長說的我們可以分很多不同的層次但是就國家最高最重要的執政者我相信全民的理解都應該就是我們只選出來的總統那麼如果說我們認同的是權責相符的概念那麼\n\n02:02.983 --> 02:20.862\n總統作為國家元首三軍統帥他現在依照憲法規定他也主導國防外交的相關事務並且實質上他因為他任命了行政院院長他也實質的控制了所有國家最重要的這個大政方針\n\n02:21.843 --> 02:46.397\n同時他也直接提名任命行政司法考試監察等等的這些擁有這些人事任命權所以在擁有如此龐大權力的這個總統您認為他需不需要就他的決策就他的人事任命等等這些權力的這些狀的決定必須要向全民說清楚必須向全民負責\n\n02:49.401 --> 03:06.363\n所以他這個狀況我要這樣說明就是說總統跟立法院之間因為總統本身的這些職權上因為修憲因為我自己交憲我還了解到他是已經目前的\n\n03:07.426 --> 03:35.749\n以中華民國憲法的總統權力比美國總統還大所以我們在交憲法都會這樣說是所以剛剛秘書長有說您現在發現就是說我們其實中華民國憲法總統權力是比美國的總統都還要大對那我剛剛想很強調的就是說總統的做的這些總統的政策決定包含人事的人民提名權是不是必須要向全民負責我所謂的全民是因為這個總統是由我們民眾一票一票所投出來的我現在還沒有談到跟立法院立法權有關係\n\n03:37.210 --> 03:39.731\n蔡總統有700多天也沒有開過記者會這也是全民期待而且認為總統怎麼可以在任這麼長的一段時間都不出來為任何的政策\n\n04:00.322 --> 04:00.342\n韓國瑜議員\n\n04:18.069 --> 04:41.483\n大家知道,其實從民國89年修憲之後到目前為止沒有任何一位總統有機會到立法院進行國情報告是,不曉得秘書長您有沒有發現這是一個什麼原因為什麼總統都沒有機會來到立法院進行國情報告呢?\n\n04:44.164 --> 05:11.787\n曾經兩度啦在陳總統的時候陳總統自己本身一次另外就是透過秘書長陳灘山也來了一函兩次但是立法院沒有接受那如果說以剛才翁委員所提的一個情形有些的情況因為我們自己本身已經訂了二條第一二章之一的這個聽取國情報告如果我剛才一開始有說立法院有決定權\n\n05:12.708 --> 05:29.035\n所以立法院有決定領地15條之後他的要件成立立法院當然可以啟動他如果要來也要經過立法院同意他才能來因為大家有條文的規定對我想其實剛剛秘書長只提到陳總統的部分他其實陳總統在2004年陳水扁2004年2007年馬總統在2012年還有2015年的時候以及這個蔡總統2017年等等其實當時都有\n\n05:42.521 --> 05:45.945\n希望說能夠到立法院來進行國情報告但是很可惜他們都沒有來程沒有來程的原因當然是不同的政黨那對他們總統來進行國情報告有意見可是我必須說時代在改變我們人民的希望期盼其實也在改變\n\n06:03.322 --> 06:05.583\n所以新國會必須要有新氣象那麼我們現在承載的全民的復託我們希望我們的總統能夠可以清楚的把它未來怎麼樣帶領國家如何的施政方針必須要跟全民說清楚那麼這也是我們這一次之所以要提出\n\n06:26.153 --> 06:27.014\n立法院得聽取總統國情報告\n\n06:40.473 --> 07:06.901\n得的意思代表說立法院可以不聽取可以邀請也可以不邀請那以我們過去這麼多年來的這個實務的情況來看其實就算是總統他很希望能夠來這個立法院把事情講清楚可是立法委員卻不接受那麼這個部分我覺得其實是立法院自己本身的怠惰那麼我們承接著全民的這個托付那麼希望\n\n07:07.621 --> 07:31.351\n未來能夠邀請總統立行性的必須要來進行國情報告這也是一個開大門走大路而且同時這也是一個向全民負責的一個最好的施政的展現在這次的立法院的職權行使法我們其實是立法院本身採取最嚴格的自我要求我們必須要將未來邀請總統來進行國情報告的事情讓他常態化\n\n07:36.873 --> 07:38.214\n中華民國總統至立法院進行國情報告及詢答模式之建議\n\n08:04.468 --> 08:04.708\n中華民國總統至立法院進行國情報告\n\n08:31.429 --> 08:31.589\n請教秘書長\n\n08:58.592 --> 08:59.913\n直詢權是一個憲法上面很重要的一個\n\n09:24.945 --> 09:25.065\n立法委員．\n\n09:51.118 --> 10:11.568\n民意代表認為有不明瞭的地方可以再就教總統所以相關的細節的部分本來就是我們立法院可以自己再去訂定的那另外我也認為這也是可能過去立法院一直沒有注意到的一件事情其實國民大會當時他們基本上在之前憲法之修條文裡面是有\n\n10:12.148 --> 10:13.730\n國民大會聽取總統國情報告並檢討國事提供建議實施辦法但是很遺憾我們說89年\n\n10:28.744 --> 10:48.725\n執行的權利改成聽取報告的權利由立法院行使之後我們始終沒有訂定相關的辦法那我也認為這個是一個立法的疏失那未來的話應該要再積極的把它訂定上去那最後就是剛剛\n\n10:50.868 --> 11:16.940\n秘書長一直有提到所謂的15條之二就現行的法律的15條之二其實現行的立法院徵修職權行使法的第15條之二其實還是總統他還是仍然是可以拒絕的就算是立法院經過院會決議可以說是聽取總統國情報告但是在我們現在法律設計上面如果我們遇到一個賴皮的總統他仍然是可以不來\n\n11:18.834 --> 11:30.068\n不知道您是否同意因為這個是義務性的設計啦我在報告也特別講如果加了這句話如果照剛剛翁維說他也不來怎麼辦\n\n11:32.601 --> 11:47.830\n但是如果說我們現在依照我們現在的修法版本裡面總統不得拒絕或者是總統就應該要來的話他就必須來可是在我們原來現在的現行條文裡面的第15條之2其實如果真的遇到一個會耍賴的總統\n\n11:48.871 --> 12:05.374\n她是可以不來的我管你立法院你要經過多少的這個委員的提案用會決議由程序委員會安排好會議之後她還是可以拒絕不來所以也就是說我們現在法律基本上它是個道德的最低標準我們是在防弊\n\n12:06.255 --> 12:25.468\n我們當然不希望把總統都把他想像成他是個小人他是個會耍賴是個無賴我們立法委員我們行使了我們職權可是他還是會不來但是把法制設計完整把這個防備機制全部都做好我認為其實是有必要的\n\n12:25.828 --> 12:31.350\n還有最後一個部分就是針對有關於總統國情報告萬一遇到緊急狀態的時候要怎麼處理還有就是說跟這個集會的時間會不會有一些問題我想坦白說這應該是屬於立法\n\n12:43.675 --> 12:46.297\n委員秘書處的議事規則要去處理的再跟實際上我們如果大政方針確定了就是要這麼做再怎麼樣的困難去邀請總統來進行國情報告的時間我認為其實都可以安排出來\n\n13:00.726 --> 13:15.109\n更何況說就現在行政院院長來我們立法院接受這個質詢他們進行報告施政報告同樣也會遇到有緊急狀態可是好像現在立法院也沒有處理所以本席認為啦這應該不構成什麼太這個太多的困難是很難克服的這個問題好那以上那我想今天就叫這個秘書長也謝謝您的辛苦了\n\n13:28.311 --> 13:28.895\n李志明委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.026,"end":1.267,"text":"主席好 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