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00:03:15,374\n跟學務主任的部分有沒有規劃相關的研習呢?因為這是非常重要的一個部分如果他有這個概念就可以去帶動整個學校的老師一起去關心這個普特融合的部分那目前有相關的規劃嗎?是的,包含我們對於老師啦包含對於那個學校的行政人員的部分也都會辦理相關的特教的相關資能的這個研習啦所以校長的部分目前也是會有一些對,校長跟行政人員一定會尤其是辦理特教業務的相關人員\n\n10\n00:03:16,274 --> 00:03:39,501\n所以我們之後也會依照剛剛講的就是去追蹤他們的一個覆蓋率好那這部分我們就會持續的來追蹤那再來就是說因為其實現場有非常多老師就是說我可能去申請了可是我拿不到足夠的時數可能教育局會有很多的理由去跟他們說這個要砍要怎麼去處理這樣子那我想知道說有沒有申訴的管道給這些老師呢\n\n11\n00:03:40,121 --> 00:04:03,619\n跟委員報告一下根據大概去特教法修正之前的有關那個申請那個特教助理員的這個時數的部分我記得申請的部分大概是670萬的小時的實際合給的部分是470多個小時的那合給的比例大概78%那當然這個是之前現在特教法修正之後\n\n12\n00:04:04,099 --> 00:04:05,800\n那如果真的被刪除的時候他們有申訴的管道嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:33,214 --> 00:05:00,974\n目前有嗎?這個部分目前因為它整個程序的部分由學校的特推會開會做個討論之後然後會把那個需求的時數的部分然後到那個我了解我了解流程我現在是說有這個機制裡面做一個處理對我先問您是說他們現在是到這個流程走嗎?但是他沒有辦法申訴嗎?當他現在被不合的時候呢?申訴的部分基本上我們再來檢討一下啦事實上如果他對這個部分的有些意見的話基本上他還是可以提行政上面的一些陳情跟處理對\n\n14\n00:05:02,015 --> 00:05:19,638\n我希望這部分也可以跟老師做宣導因為至少我自己在家長會很多老師就是自己默默就吃下來了就吞下來了但是這其實現場非常痛苦因為真的像有一些比較情緒比較激動的小孩他可能一個人就要花掉三個老師去顧他但是他們申請不到時數好不好那再來就是說\n\n15\n00:05:21,557 --> 00:05:46,153\n因為剛剛就是非常多委員都有關心這個失陪生的部分因為我們失陪雖然我們在名額上合訂教生名額上是增加的但是我們其實是一直遭不滿那我想我就直接去問啦就是說不管是在因為我們其實已經現在有非常多的老師也都已經投入現場可是我們就是現場就是遠遠不足後面又沒有相關的失陪生可以補進來那在這個狀況之下就會造成剛剛講的就是說\n\n16\n00:05:47,754 --> 00:05:47,874\n主席\n\n17\n00:06:07,204 --> 00:06:31,835\n跟委員報告一下目前確實陳委員提到了這幾年有關特教師資培育的招生率的部分是還有在成長的空間以目前來講特殊教育類科到111年度國藝院的儲備教師我想不好意思次長我的問題我的次長是說我們現在就是沒有因為大家都非常關心就是現場已經\n\n18\n00:06:33,336 --> 00:06:34,637\n委員會持續核發師資培育獎學金,增加誘因,吸引學生就讀特教培育\n\n19\n00:06:55,436 --> 00:07:16,263\n各縣市政府如果有施肢的需求．他也給提報特教公會生的施肢．因為特教公會生．就直接經過校檢之後．就可以擔任老師．從培育端來做培育．市長我想．因為剛剛也有提到就是說．我們是不是也可以學事後專班．或是雙主修．我希望就是說．\n\n20\n00:07:18,404 --> 00:07:20,086\n教育部可以再回去好好地檢討這一塊我們怎麼樣可以來補足這塊人力再來就是說這個特教其實\n\n21\n00:07:27,739 --> 00:07:27,779\n實驗教育\n\n22\n00:07:57,939 --> 00:08:24,513\n相對的一些支持來給這些實驗教育他們得到的資源是非常非常少的那我想請問次長我們能不能專門匡列一筆經費來給實驗教育的特殊生使用不能因為他讀的是一般學校就把他排除在這個補助之外或者是說我們可以用什麼樣的方式來支持這些小孩呢因為他們真的就是在現場已經在那裡了\n\n23\n00:08:26,171 --> 00:08:47,558\n跟委員報告一下,因為特殊教育法修正之後．有關特殊教育服務的部分．是急於實驗教育．沒有學校形態的實驗教育的學生這一個適用．那剛剛提到的就是．針對非學校形態實驗教育的學生的部分．基本上我們會在6月底之前．會找各縣市政府一起來開會做一個討論．\n\n24\n00:08:49,219 --> 00:08:50,840\n會朝這個方向跟各縣市政府再做一些溝通\n\n25\n00:09:15,247 --> 00:09:15,787\n這不是目前就已經可以了嗎?\n\n26\n00:09:32,247 --> 00:10:00,993\n剛才所提現在因為他修過了之後也有國教法6條2項委員所引的當時的討論就希望完善一點所以我們開過了兩次的諮詢會議是要針對非學校形態裡面的所有的還是怎麼樣補助或是用措施性的協助這個當時有討論因此經過兩次專家會議之後在6月底前會確定現在比較明確的是對其中的特教的這個學生可能要有額外的\n\n27\n00:10:01,733 --> 00:10:02,694\n在現場有些小孩他可能是\n\n28\n00:10:28,970 --> 00:10:43,946\n她雖然有去做鑑定可是她的分數差一點點沒有到所以她就沒有辦法取得這個特教的資格那當這樣子的小孩同時在一個班上的時候可能兩三個那其實老師也因為他沒有那個資格也沒有辦法得到這些特教助理員的資源那這種狀況\n\n29\n00:10:48,090 --> 00:11:07,223\n其實有些孩子他也會有一些衝動控制的問題那這個就會造成學校裡面非常疲於本命那我不想要說我們沒有辦法去討論一個怎麼樣子的方法去因應這些來協助來因應支持這些老師這是我希望就是市長可以帶回去思考的部分因為這是現在的一個教學現場的問題那就是說\n\n30\n00:11:11,566 --> 00:11:38,825\n還有另外一個部分就是說小孩子其實應該是有一些狀況但是家長不同意去做鑑定的也就變成老師在現場疲於奔命這有沒有可能跟衛福部一起來合作怎麼樣去鼓勵家長去做這個鑑定因為其實讓家長有那個觀念是說我們不是要無名化貼標籤小孩我們是希望讓孩子可以得到更好的資源更適切的資源幫助他好好的成長好好的學習這部分是不是也可以跟衛福部做一些相關的討論是\n\n31\n00:11:40,586 --> 00:12:04,293\n跟委員報告一下,針對疑似的特教生會進行鑑定的部分這個學校可以經過學校的特科會,經過一個程序然後報主管機關,那我們可以依照那個相關的法規規定的部分主管機關他是可以要求這個家長或者是那個監護人的部分必須來配合辦理這個鑑定的相關事宜那我想這邊還有詳細的細節的一些執行院上的問題我們再繼續討論好不好,謝謝謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n189\t1411\t張雅琳 張委員\n17463\t41559\t市長好我想給大家看一下這個圖我相信大家都非常清楚就是說我們學校的人學生人數是持續在減少但是我們的特生人數是持續在增加也就是說每一個班上基本上老師可能都有非常高的比例遇到了特殊生這些身心障礙的孩子尤其我們現在在講這個融合教育現在已經有九成的小孩都是在融合教育裡\n42119\t59645\t而是因為去年這個教師團體也做一個調查就是說老師最需要是什麼就剛剛前面有很多委員都提到了就是需要特教老師或助理員那第二個部分他們需要有特教職能的研習不是一些廣泛性的職能是針對於特定章別的一個研習\n62458\t88373\t那我知道根據特教法第18條跟23條都有提到要加強辦理普通班教師、教保服務人員還有特殊教育教師相關人員的培訓跟在職進修那我也知道說現在法律沒有明定他們一定要參與的時數但是這就會變成他可能有法規可是卻無法落實可是老師在現場要如何協助這些特教老師或是特教學生或者是一般的學生\n89453\t112123\t所以就變成說我們有沒有什麼方法去找出那些沒有去進行研習的老師有沒有可能我的想法跟次長討論一下有沒有可能是用扣除補助款的方式來督導各縣市政府一定要要求轄內的老師要去做這些進修研習落實這個融合教育有沒有可能\n113704\t131573\t我想這個部分針對特殊教育法修正過之後．融合教育是特殊教育一個非常重要的特色．所以當然我們融合教育普特融合．所以基本上老師如果能夠增進有關特教的知能．對特教學有更深的瞭解．我相信對於推動特殊教育更有幫助．\n132713\t147178\t我們會跟各縣市一起來討論．將來在一般性的交易補助款裡面．對各縣市的有關特教．老師的接受資能提升的情形．列為補助的一個指標\n148098\t148298\t關於校長\n168283\t195374\t跟學務主任的部分有沒有規劃相關的研習呢?因為這是非常重要的一個部分如果他有這個概念就可以去帶動整個學校的老師一起去關心這個普特融合的部分那目前有相關的規劃嗎?是的,包含我們對於老師啦包含對於那個學校的行政人員的部分也都會辦理相關的特教的相關資能的這個研習啦所以校長的部分目前也是會有一些對,校長跟行政人員一定會尤其是辦理特教業務的相關人員\n196274\t219501\t所以我們之後也會依照剛剛講的就是去追蹤他們的一個覆蓋率好那這部分我們就會持續的來追蹤那再來就是說因為其實現場有非常多老師就是說我可能去申請了可是我拿不到足夠的時數可能教育局會有很多的理由去跟他們說這個要砍要怎麼去處理這樣子那我想知道說有沒有申訴的管道給這些老師呢\n220121\t243619\t跟委員報告一下根據大概去特教法修正之前的有關那個申請那個特教助理員的這個時數的部分我記得申請的部分大概是670萬的小時的實際合給的部分是470多個小時的那合給的比例大概78%那當然這個是之前現在特教法修正之後\n244099\t245800\t那如果真的被刪除的時候他們有申訴的管道嗎?\n273214\t300974\t目前有嗎?這個部分目前因為它整個程序的部分由學校的特推會開會做個討論之後然後會把那個需求的時數的部分然後到那個我了解我了解流程我現在是說有這個機制裡面做一個處理對我先問您是說他們現在是到這個流程走嗎?但是他沒有辦法申訴嗎?當他現在被不合的時候呢?申訴的部分基本上我們再來檢討一下啦事實上如果他對這個部分的有些意見的話基本上他還是可以提行政上面的一些陳情跟處理對\n302015\t319638\t我希望這部分也可以跟老師做宣導因為至少我自己在家長會很多老師就是自己默默就吃下來了就吞下來了但是這其實現場非常痛苦因為真的像有一些比較情緒比較激動的小孩他可能一個人就要花掉三個老師去顧他但是他們申請不到時數好不好那再來就是說\n321557\t346153\t因為剛剛就是非常多委員都有關心這個失陪生的部分因為我們失陪雖然我們在名額上合訂教生名額上是增加的但是我們其實是一直遭不滿那我想我就直接去問啦就是說不管是在因為我們其實已經現在有非常多的老師也都已經投入現場可是我們就是現場就是遠遠不足後面又沒有相關的失陪生可以補進來那在這個狀況之下就會造成剛剛講的就是說\n347754\t347874\t主席\n367204\t391835\t跟委員報告一下目前確實陳委員提到了這幾年有關特教師資培育的招生率的部分是還有在成長的空間以目前來講特殊教育類科到111年度國藝院的儲備教師我想不好意思次長我的問題我的次長是說我們現在就是沒有因為大家都非常關心就是現場已經\n393336\t394637\t委員會持續核發師資培育獎學金,增加誘因,吸引學生就讀特教培育\n415436\t436263\t各縣市政府如果有施肢的需求．他也給提報特教公會生的施肢．因為特教公會生．就直接經過校檢之後．就可以擔任老師．從培育端來做培育．市長 我想．因為剛剛也有提到就是說．我們是不是也可以學事後專班．或是雙主修．我希望就是說．\n438404\t440086\t教育部可以再回去好好地檢討這一塊我們怎麼樣可以來補足這塊人力再來就是說這個特教其實\n447739\t447779\t實驗教育\n477939\t504513\t相對的一些支持來給這些實驗教育他們得到的資源是非常非常少的那我想請問次長我們能不能專門匡列一筆經費來給實驗教育的特殊生使用不能因為他讀的是一般學校就把他排除在這個補助之外或者是說我們可以用什麼樣的方式來支持這些小孩呢因為他們真的就是在現場已經在那裡了\n506171\t527558\t跟委員報告一下,因為特殊教育法修正之後．有關特殊教育服務的部分．是急於實驗教育．沒有學校形態的實驗教育的學生這一個適用．那剛剛提到的就是．針對非學校形態實驗教育的學生的部分．基本上我們會在6月底之前．會找各縣市政府一起來開會做一個討論．\n529219\t530840\t會朝這個方向跟各縣市政府再做一些溝通\n555247\t555787\t這不是目前就已經可以了嗎?\n572247\t600993\t剛才所提現在因為他修過了之後也有國教法6條2項委員所引的當時的討論就希望完善一點所以我們開過了兩次的諮詢會議是要針對非學校形態裡面的所有的還是怎麼樣補助或是用措施性的協助這個當時有討論因此經過兩次專家會議之後在6月底前會確定現在比較明確的是對其中的特教的這個學生可能要有額外的\n601733\t602694\t在現場有些小孩他可能是\n628970\t643946\t她雖然有去做鑑定可是她的分數差一點點沒有到所以她就沒有辦法取得這個特教的資格那當這樣子的小孩同時在一個班上的時候可能兩三個那其實老師也因為他沒有那個資格也沒有辦法得到這些特教助理員的資源那這種狀況\n648090\t667223\t其實有些孩子他也會有一些衝動控制的問題那這個就會造成學校裡面非常疲於本命那我不想要說我們沒有辦法去討論一個怎麼樣子的方法去因應這些來協助來因應支持這些老師這是我希望就是市長可以帶回去思考的部分因為這是現在的一個教學現場的問題那就是說\n671566\t698825\t還有另外一個部分就是說小孩子其實應該是有一些狀況但是家長不同意去做鑑定的也就變成老師在現場疲於奔命這有沒有可能跟衛福部一起來合作怎麼樣去鼓勵家長去做這個鑑定因為其實讓家長有那個觀念是說我們不是要無名化貼標籤小孩我們是希望讓孩子可以得到更好的資源更適切的資源幫助他好好的成長好好的學習這部分是不是也可以跟衛福部做一些相關的討論是\n700586\t724293\t跟委員報告一下,針對疑似的特教生會進行鑑定的部分這個學校可以經過學校的特科會,經過一個程序然後報主管機關,那我們可以依照那個相關的法規規定的部分主管機關他是可以要求這個家長或者是那個監護人的部分必須來配合辦理這個鑑定的相關事宜那我想這邊還有詳細的細節的一些執行院上的問題我們再繼續討論好不好,謝謝謝謝主席\n","txt":"張雅琳 張委員\n市長好我想給大家看一下這個圖我相信大家都非常清楚就是說我們學校的人學生人數是持續在減少但是我們的特生人數是持續在增加也就是說每一個班上基本上老師可能都有非常高的比例遇到了特殊生這些身心障礙的孩子尤其我們現在在講這個融合教育現在已經有九成的小孩都是在融合教育裡\n而是因為去年這個教師團體也做一個調查就是說老師最需要是什麼就剛剛前面有很多委員都提到了就是需要特教老師或助理員那第二個部分他們需要有特教職能的研習不是一些廣泛性的職能是針對於特定章別的一個研習\n那我知道根據特教法第18條跟23條都有提到要加強辦理普通班教師、教保服務人員還有特殊教育教師相關人員的培訓跟在職進修那我也知道說現在法律沒有明定他們一定要參與的時數但是這就會變成他可能有法規可是卻無法落實可是老師在現場要如何協助這些特教老師或是特教學生或者是一般的學生\n所以就變成說我們有沒有什麼方法去找出那些沒有去進行研習的老師有沒有可能我的想法跟次長討論一下有沒有可能是用扣除補助款的方式來督導各縣市政府一定要要求轄內的老師要去做這些進修研習落實這個融合教育有沒有可能\n我想這個部分針對特殊教育法修正過之後．融合教育是特殊教育一個非常重要的特色．所以當然我們融合教育普特融合．所以基本上老師如果能夠增進有關特教的知能．對特教學有更深的瞭解．我相信對於推動特殊教育更有幫助．\n我們會跟各縣市一起來討論．將來在一般性的交易補助款裡面．對各縣市的有關特教．老師的接受資能提升的情形．列為補助的一個指標\n關於校長\n跟學務主任的部分有沒有規劃相關的研習呢?因為這是非常重要的一個部分如果他有這個概念就可以去帶動整個學校的老師一起去關心這個普特融合的部分那目前有相關的規劃嗎?是的,包含我們對於老師啦包含對於那個學校的行政人員的部分也都會辦理相關的特教的相關資能的這個研習啦所以校長的部分目前也是會有一些對,校長跟行政人員一定會尤其是辦理特教業務的相關人員\n所以我們之後也會依照剛剛講的就是去追蹤他們的一個覆蓋率好那這部分我們就會持續的來追蹤那再來就是說因為其實現場有非常多老師就是說我可能去申請了可是我拿不到足夠的時數可能教育局會有很多的理由去跟他們說這個要砍要怎麼去處理這樣子那我想知道說有沒有申訴的管道給這些老師呢\n跟委員報告一下根據大概去特教法修正之前的有關那個申請那個特教助理員的這個時數的部分我記得申請的部分大概是670萬的小時的實際合給的部分是470多個小時的那合給的比例大概78%那當然這個是之前現在特教法修正之後\n那如果真的被刪除的時候他們有申訴的管道嗎?\n目前有嗎?這個部分目前因為它整個程序的部分由學校的特推會開會做個討論之後然後會把那個需求的時數的部分然後到那個我了解我了解流程我現在是說有這個機制裡面做一個處理對我先問您是說他們現在是到這個流程走嗎?但是他沒有辦法申訴嗎?當他現在被不合的時候呢?申訴的部分基本上我們再來檢討一下啦事實上如果他對這個部分的有些意見的話基本上他還是可以提行政上面的一些陳情跟處理對\n我希望這部分也可以跟老師做宣導因為至少我自己在家長會很多老師就是自己默默就吃下來了就吞下來了但是這其實現場非常痛苦因為真的像有一些比較情緒比較激動的小孩他可能一個人就要花掉三個老師去顧他但是他們申請不到時數好不好那再來就是說\n因為剛剛就是非常多委員都有關心這個失陪生的部分因為我們失陪雖然我們在名額上合訂教生名額上是增加的但是我們其實是一直遭不滿那我想我就直接去問啦就是說不管是在因為我們其實已經現在有非常多的老師也都已經投入現場可是我們就是現場就是遠遠不足後面又沒有相關的失陪生可以補進來那在這個狀況之下就會造成剛剛講的就是說\n主席\n跟委員報告一下目前確實陳委員提到了這幾年有關特教師資培育的招生率的部分是還有在成長的空間以目前來講特殊教育類科到111年度國藝院的儲備教師我想不好意思次長我的問題我的次長是說我們現在就是沒有因為大家都非常關心就是現場已經\n委員會持續核發師資培育獎學金,增加誘因,吸引學生就讀特教培育\n各縣市政府如果有施肢的需求．他也給提報特教公會生的施肢．因為特教公會生．就直接經過校檢之後．就可以擔任老師．從培育端來做培育．市長 我想．因為剛剛也有提到就是說．我們是不是也可以學事後專班．或是雙主修．我希望就是說．\n教育部可以再回去好好地檢討這一塊我們怎麼樣可以來補足這塊人力再來就是說這個特教其實\n實驗教育\n相對的一些支持來給這些實驗教育他們得到的資源是非常非常少的那我想請問次長我們能不能專門匡列一筆經費來給實驗教育的特殊生使用不能因為他讀的是一般學校就把他排除在這個補助之外或者是說我們可以用什麼樣的方式來支持這些小孩呢因為他們真的就是在現場已經在那裡了\n跟委員報告一下,因為特殊教育法修正之後．有關特殊教育服務的部分．是急於實驗教育．沒有學校形態的實驗教育的學生這一個適用．那剛剛提到的就是．針對非學校形態實驗教育的學生的部分．基本上我們會在6月底之前．會找各縣市政府一起來開會做一個討論．\n會朝這個方向跟各縣市政府再做一些溝通\n這不是目前就已經可以了嗎?\n剛才所提現在因為他修過了之後也有國教法6條2項委員所引的當時的討論就希望完善一點所以我們開過了兩次的諮詢會議是要針對非學校形態裡面的所有的還是怎麼樣補助或是用措施性的協助這個當時有討論因此經過兩次專家會議之後在6月底前會確定現在比較明確的是對其中的特教的這個學生可能要有額外的\n在現場有些小孩他可能是\n她雖然有去做鑑定可是她的分數差一點點沒有到所以她就沒有辦法取得這個特教的資格那當這樣子的小孩同時在一個班上的時候可能兩三個那其實老師也因為他沒有那個資格也沒有辦法得到這些特教助理員的資源那這種狀況\n其實有些孩子他也會有一些衝動控制的問題那這個就會造成學校裡面非常疲於本命那我不想要說我們沒有辦法去討論一個怎麼樣子的方法去因應這些來協助來因應支持這些老師這是我希望就是市長可以帶回去思考的部分因為這是現在的一個教學現場的問題那就是說\n還有另外一個部分就是說小孩子其實應該是有一些狀況但是家長不同意去做鑑定的也就變成老師在現場疲於奔命這有沒有可能跟衛福部一起來合作怎麼樣去鼓勵家長去做這個鑑定因為其實讓家長有那個觀念是說我們不是要無名化貼標籤小孩我們是希望讓孩子可以得到更好的資源更適切的資源幫助他好好的成長好好的學習這部分是不是也可以跟衛福部做一些相關的討論是\n跟委員報告一下,針對疑似的特教生會進行鑑定的部分這個學校可以經過學校的特科會,經過一個程序然後報主管機關,那我們可以依照那個相關的法規規定的部分主管機關他是可以要求這個家長或者是那個監護人的部分必須來配合辦理這個鑑定的相關事宜那我想這邊還有詳細的細節的一些執行院上的問題我們再繼續討論好不好,謝謝謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.189 --> 00:01.411\n張雅琳張委員\n\n00:17.463 --> 00:41.559\n市長好我想給大家看一下這個圖我相信大家都非常清楚就是說我們學校的人學生人數是持續在減少但是我們的特生人數是持續在增加也就是說每一個班上基本上老師可能都有非常高的比例遇到了特殊生這些身心障礙的孩子尤其我們現在在講這個融合教育現在已經有九成的小孩都是在融合教育裡\n\n00:42.119 --> 00:59.645\n而是因為去年這個教師團體也做一個調查就是說老師最需要是什麼就剛剛前面有很多委員都提到了就是需要特教老師或助理員那第二個部分他們需要有特教職能的研習不是一些廣泛性的職能是針對於特定章別的一個研習\n\n01:02.458 --> 01:28.373\n那我知道根據特教法第18條跟23條都有提到要加強辦理普通班教師、教保服務人員還有特殊教育教師相關人員的培訓跟在職進修那我也知道說現在法律沒有明定他們一定要參與的時數但是這就會變成他可能有法規可是卻無法落實可是老師在現場要如何協助這些特教老師或是特教學生或者是一般的學生\n\n01:29.453 --> 01:52.123\n所以就變成說我們有沒有什麼方法去找出那些沒有去進行研習的老師有沒有可能我的想法跟次長討論一下有沒有可能是用扣除補助款的方式來督導各縣市政府一定要要求轄內的老師要去做這些進修研習落實這個融合教育有沒有可能\n\n01:53.704 --> 02:11.573\n我想這個部分針對特殊教育法修正過之後．融合教育是特殊教育一個非常重要的特色．所以當然我們融合教育普特融合．所以基本上老師如果能夠增進有關特教的知能．對特教學有更深的瞭解．我相信對於推動特殊教育更有幫助．\n\n02:12.713 --> 02:27.178\n我們會跟各縣市一起來討論．將來在一般性的交易補助款裡面．對各縣市的有關特教．老師的接受資能提升的情形．列為補助的一個指標\n\n02:28.098 --> 02:28.298\n關於校長\n\n02:48.283 --> 03:15.374\n跟學務主任的部分有沒有規劃相關的研習呢?因為這是非常重要的一個部分如果他有這個概念就可以去帶動整個學校的老師一起去關心這個普特融合的部分那目前有相關的規劃嗎?是的,包含我們對於老師啦包含對於那個學校的行政人員的部分也都會辦理相關的特教的相關資能的這個研習啦所以校長的部分目前也是會有一些對,校長跟行政人員一定會尤其是辦理特教業務的相關人員\n\n03:16.274 --> 03:39.501\n所以我們之後也會依照剛剛講的就是去追蹤他們的一個覆蓋率好那這部分我們就會持續的來追蹤那再來就是說因為其實現場有非常多老師就是說我可能去申請了可是我拿不到足夠的時數可能教育局會有很多的理由去跟他們說這個要砍要怎麼去處理這樣子那我想知道說有沒有申訴的管道給這些老師呢\n\n03:40.121 --> 04:03.619\n跟委員報告一下根據大概去特教法修正之前的有關那個申請那個特教助理員的這個時數的部分我記得申請的部分大概是670萬的小時的實際合給的部分是470多個小時的那合給的比例大概78%那當然這個是之前現在特教法修正之後\n\n04:04.099 --> 04:05.800\n那如果真的被刪除的時候他們有申訴的管道嗎?\n\n04:33.214 --> 05:00.974\n目前有嗎?這個部分目前因為它整個程序的部分由學校的特推會開會做個討論之後然後會把那個需求的時數的部分然後到那個我了解我了解流程我現在是說有這個機制裡面做一個處理對我先問您是說他們現在是到這個流程走嗎?但是他沒有辦法申訴嗎?當他現在被不合的時候呢?申訴的部分基本上我們再來檢討一下啦事實上如果他對這個部分的有些意見的話基本上他還是可以提行政上面的一些陳情跟處理對\n\n05:02.015 --> 05:19.638\n我希望這部分也可以跟老師做宣導因為至少我自己在家長會很多老師就是自己默默就吃下來了就吞下來了但是這其實現場非常痛苦因為真的像有一些比較情緒比較激動的小孩他可能一個人就要花掉三個老師去顧他但是他們申請不到時數好不好那再來就是說\n\n05:21.557 --> 05:46.153\n因為剛剛就是非常多委員都有關心這個失陪生的部分因為我們失陪雖然我們在名額上合訂教生名額上是增加的但是我們其實是一直遭不滿那我想我就直接去問啦就是說不管是在因為我們其實已經現在有非常多的老師也都已經投入現場可是我們就是現場就是遠遠不足後面又沒有相關的失陪生可以補進來那在這個狀況之下就會造成剛剛講的就是說\n\n05:47.754 --> 05:47.874\n主席\n\n06:07.204 --> 06:31.835\n跟委員報告一下目前確實陳委員提到了這幾年有關特教師資培育的招生率的部分是還有在成長的空間以目前來講特殊教育類科到111年度國藝院的儲備教師我想不好意思次長我的問題我的次長是說我們現在就是沒有因為大家都非常關心就是現場已經\n\n06:33.336 --> 06:34.637\n委員會持續核發師資培育獎學金,增加誘因,吸引學生就讀特教培育\n\n06:55.436 --> 07:16.263\n各縣市政府如果有施肢的需求．他也給提報特教公會生的施肢．因為特教公會生．就直接經過校檢之後．就可以擔任老師．從培育端來做培育．市長我想．因為剛剛也有提到就是說．我們是不是也可以學事後專班．或是雙主修．我希望就是說．\n\n07:18.404 --> 07:20.086\n教育部可以再回去好好地檢討這一塊我們怎麼樣可以來補足這塊人力再來就是說這個特教其實\n\n07:27.739 --> 07:27.779\n實驗教育\n\n07:57.939 --> 08:24.513\n相對的一些支持來給這些實驗教育他們得到的資源是非常非常少的那我想請問次長我們能不能專門匡列一筆經費來給實驗教育的特殊生使用不能因為他讀的是一般學校就把他排除在這個補助之外或者是說我們可以用什麼樣的方式來支持這些小孩呢因為他們真的就是在現場已經在那裡了\n\n08:26.171 --> 08:47.558\n跟委員報告一下,因為特殊教育法修正之後．有關特殊教育服務的部分．是急於實驗教育．沒有學校形態的實驗教育的學生這一個適用．那剛剛提到的就是．針對非學校形態實驗教育的學生的部分．基本上我們會在6月底之前．會找各縣市政府一起來開會做一個討論．\n\n08:49.219 --> 08:50.840\n會朝這個方向跟各縣市政府再做一些溝通\n\n09:15.247 --> 09:15.787\n這不是目前就已經可以了嗎?\n\n09:32.247 --> 10:00.993\n剛才所提現在因為他修過了之後也有國教法6條2項委員所引的當時的討論就希望完善一點所以我們開過了兩次的諮詢會議是要針對非學校形態裡面的所有的還是怎麼樣補助或是用措施性的協助這個當時有討論因此經過兩次專家會議之後在6月底前會確定現在比較明確的是對其中的特教的這個學生可能要有額外的\n\n10:01.733 --> 10:02.694\n在現場有些小孩他可能是\n\n10:28.970 --> 10:43.946\n她雖然有去做鑑定可是她的分數差一點點沒有到所以她就沒有辦法取得這個特教的資格那當這樣子的小孩同時在一個班上的時候可能兩三個那其實老師也因為他沒有那個資格也沒有辦法得到這些特教助理員的資源那這種狀況\n\n10:48.090 --> 11:07.223\n其實有些孩子他也會有一些衝動控制的問題那這個就會造成學校裡面非常疲於本命那我不想要說我們沒有辦法去討論一個怎麼樣子的方法去因應這些來協助來因應支持這些老師這是我希望就是市長可以帶回去思考的部分因為這是現在的一個教學現場的問題那就是說\n\n11:11.566 --> 11:38.825\n還有另外一個部分就是說小孩子其實應該是有一些狀況但是家長不同意去做鑑定的也就變成老師在現場疲於奔命這有沒有可能跟衛福部一起來合作怎麼樣去鼓勵家長去做這個鑑定因為其實讓家長有那個觀念是說我們不是要無名化貼標籤小孩我們是希望讓孩子可以得到更好的資源更適切的資源幫助他好好的成長好好的學習這部分是不是也可以跟衛福部做一些相關的討論是\n\n11:40.586 --> 12:04.293\n跟委員報告一下,針對疑似的特教生會進行鑑定的部分這個學校可以經過學校的特科會,經過一個程序然後報主管機關,那我們可以依照那個相關的法規規定的部分主管機關他是可以要求這個家長或者是那個監護人的部分必須來配合辦理這個鑑定的相關事宜那我想這邊還有詳細的細節的一些執行院上的問題我們再繼續討論好不好,謝謝謝謝主席\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.189,"end":1.411,"text":"張雅琳 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