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46001水資源管理項目的一個重要績效目標，所以現在重要的科技大廠在設置的時候……"],["呂委員玉玲：全部都執行了嗎？"],["賴署長建信：他們都有非常充分的意願。"],["呂委員玉玲：超過2萬噸的都執行了？"],["賴署長建信：對，不但是政府自己蓋，他們自己也要蓋。"],["呂委員玉玲：部長，這裡我就要請教你了，因為很多廠，剛剛你講了台積電要趕快成立封測廠，要趕快擴廠，你現在這樣限制，如果它沒有能力做再生水的話就影響到它擴廠，是不是？"],["王部長美花：不會，這個都要事先討論。再生水廠在過往其實蓋了以後沒有人願意買，因為嫌貴，現在不是了，現在都是還沒有蓋就已經有大廠說願意買，跟過往很不一樣。"],["呂委員玉玲：之前的工廠、比較舊的工廠每日可能都是一萬多、2萬噸的水，現在它要擴廠的話就會超過，比如2萬4、3萬的水，這樣子的話，它就必須要用再生水。"],["王部長美花：是，一定要用一半的……"],["呂委員玉玲：有這種限制它不能擴廠，部長有沒有去瞭解、協助他們？"],["王部長美花：目前為止都還滿順利的，因為他們覺得這個是應該有的義務，而且也符合ESG的規定。"],["呂委員玉玲：因為再生水比較貴，成本就會提高。"],["王部長美花：是。"],["呂委員玉玲：再生水大概在20塊到30塊中間，自來水大概在10塊。"],["王部長美花：是，但是現在他們都覺得應該這樣子來買。"],["呂委員玉玲：對，成本就會提高。"],["王部長美花：是。"],["呂委員玉玲：這一點部長也要給他們關心，輔導再輔導，好不好？"],["王部長美花：是。"],["呂委員玉玲：接下來要請問漏水的問題，我們之前有處理漏水的計畫，在10年當中編了826億的預算，要從19.55%降低到12%，但是到2023年還沒有降低到12%，可能今年就會到12%。我們要再繼續降低漏水率，我看到我們編出的預算是634億，634億只降低2%而已，董事長，這個跟之前的826億相比怎麼差這麼多？"],["李董事長嘉榮：跟委員報告，現在我們的漏水率降到12.54%。"],["呂委員玉玲：對，今年應該會完成12%。"],["李董事長嘉榮：對，12%。因為已經降到12%，再往下降的話，每降1%的經費投資要將近400億。"],["呂委員玉玲：為什麼會提高？"],["李董事長嘉榮：當然找回來的那個水量……因為材料、工資的成本都上漲，路面挖掘的成本也上漲。"],["呂委員玉玲：差很多啦！"],["王部長美花：漏水率……"],["呂委員玉玲：我們之前10年來執行的時候，降了差不多7、8%，現在你要下降2%，目標是在10%，對不對？"],["王部長美花：跟委員報告……"],["呂委員玉玲：但是你編的預算是634億，依比例原則就太高了一點。"],["王部長美花：漏水率就是這樣，漏水率越低的時候，要再增加，困難度越高，就是因為這樣的關係，所以這個部分其實都是很客觀在評估的。"],["呂委員玉玲：我們希望儘量都不要漏水，達標不只是10%，最好能夠降到8%、6%。因為我們看全世界，漏水率沒那麼高，我們再加油，好不好？同時我們也看到很多老舊的自來水管以前是南亞塑膠管，現在換回鑄鐵管之後，從2023年我們換了7,856公里，但是4年來每一年漏水、破管的次數還是超過1,000次，我們這麼努力在汰舊換新，還是發生這麼多，你如何去改進呢？"],["李董事長嘉榮：跟委員報告，我們各區處有在統計，實際上我們的漏水件數每年都在降低，有一些管線換新了……"],["呂委員玉玲：可是連續4年你看都1,000次以上，2020年1,099次、2023年還有1,000次，你有沒有辦法再往下降？"],["李董事長嘉榮：有。"],["呂委員玉玲：你的目標是多少？要降到多少？"],["李董事長嘉榮：這個漏水件數，我們很難去預估。"],["呂委員玉玲：因為我剛剛特別提醒，汰舊換新，管路我們都一直換，到2023年換了7,500多公里了，現在我們繼續讓你換，但你這個漏水率、爆管率都應該要降低才對啊！為什麼連續4年都一樣維持在1,000次？"],["王部長美花：這個部分我有特別檢視過，在桃園這邊改善漏水的工作做了很多，但是桃園第一、人口增加，第二、它的工商活動也增加，而且委員也知道桃園有一些路也比較小，就會讓路上管網破裂的可能性提高，因為往來的車輛真的很多，在這個部分其實我們有特別注意在桃園這邊怎麼加大力道去改善。"],["呂委員玉玲：小漏也是漏，可是我們怕的是大爆管，去年龍潭的三坑大爆管，那種淹水，自來水公司都即時處理、補償了，這個我要予以嘉獎，但是目前三坑的抽水站到現在還在延宕當中，地目還沒變更好，細部規劃都還沒有好，要到明年才會動工嗎？"],["李董事長嘉榮：是，跟委員報告，我們三坑抽水站的改善計畫，因為之前地方上對我們這塊場址有一些意見，我們積極的溝通，現在已經在地方開了4次說明會，原則上我們都有根據地方的意見做了一些調整，也已經把計畫再送給市政府，我們現在在辦理土地的公開閱覽。"],["呂委員玉玲：我們希望速度要快，因為這個轉接抽水站非常的重要，因為現在又在乾旱期，現在有的農田停7供3甚至供4的情形都出來了，農民就很擔心，如果有需要的時候，是不是就讓他們辦休耕？尤其每年休耕是到4月，現在休耕到2月底而已，天氣每天在變啊！提早給他們辦休耕，他們來不及，現在3月份旱水期了，只有35%的蓄水量，所以希望農水署、農糧署能夠協助我們農民辦休耕，或者是解決供水的問題，好不好？"],["主席：接下來請賴瑞隆委員詢答。我們在邱議瑩委員詢答結束之後休息10分鐘。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":236,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-19-4","speakers":["楊瓊瓔","林岱樺","陳亭妃","謝衣鳯","張啓楷","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:48,549\n謝謝委員那我們確實一直要把北部的水往南拉所以直接從翡翠水庫那邊的那個計畫雖然不做但是後來我們跟北水處都有找到另外一個替代方案在三重蘆洲那邊去做一個工程讓翡翠的水一直可以往南拉那這個部分是一個替代可是沒有拉到我們石門啊最終會這麼說的原因就是因為竹科\n\n7\n00:02:14,318 --> 00:02:36,326\n有這個石門水庫跟寶三跟寶二的水都在供應竹科竹科的因為那是科技大廠都在那裡需要很多的水量如果水量不足的話結果石門要供水嘛那我現在擔心是石門的蓄水量不足的情況之下所以我請問你在什麼狀況之下要供水什麼水庫要供水給寶三\n\n8\n00:02:38,308 --> 00:02:55,047\n這個部分我們都會去做好調度你沒有先調度我知道你要調度可是你要保障那我們也會把從北部算向北的如果說本席在這邊要求成本水過水保持在五成他如果沒有五成的話是不能供水給外地好不好\n\n9\n00:02:55,868 --> 00:03:16,612\n你們有沒有去評估?你們要評估啊先保障當地的用水量一定一定但是因為我們石門的水其實我們很大量從北部從台北那邊過來甚至一天可以到80萬噸所以本席在這邊是問說我們的水要支援保三保二的話一定要我們自己的水要保持在五成以上才可以供水第二就是\n\n10\n00:03:20,967 --> 00:03:37,446\n北水南送那現在我們石門水庫35%的蓄水那翡翠水庫水能不能供應到石門水庫因為它目前有水道現在就有現在是怎麼供應的方式現在一天就是有80萬噸的怎麼送水有水道嗎\n\n11\n00:03:38,359 --> 00:04:03,096\n有,這個從百貨的水庫過來,所以過去這個80萬噸是要靠石門水庫來供給,現在不用了所以現在有供嗎?因為現在只剩下35%有有有有是,所以我們希望我們的備援水道能夠充分的能夠運送到需要的地方,但是一定要以當地優先考量好不好\n\n12\n00:04:03,716 --> 00:04:23,661\n所以我們擔心你不要供給保三保二我們這邊的水會不夠我要提醒了這一點那所以說這個情形啊我們的水都供應給竹科這邊來使用那我想請教一下去年我們有限水節水的那個措施嘛那今年開始要啟動了嗎因為我看很多水庫水量的基礎\n\n13\n00:04:24,341 --> 00:04:33,039\n目前我們公布的是桃竹廟臺中地區水停燈號綠燈綠燈代表的意思就是提醒大家鋪水期了我們要加強調度\n\n14\n00:04:35,020 --> 00:04:53,889\n所以本席要提醒就是因為去年的情形我們那邊有戰備的水井有六座戰備的水井當時也是說在紅燈才要載水去給竹科用結果你們就偷跑了在橘燈你們就偷債了所以我們居民自助自己來自救\n\n15\n00:04:55,290 --> 00:05:08,750\n所以把關注了所以停止你們不能偷債水所以本席在這邊再次提醒我們戰備水要紅燈才可以有緊急資源好不好這個不會去偷債啦我們跟桃園市政府都成立應變協議我們有簽合約\n\n16\n00:05:12,135 --> 00:05:31,911\n紅燈才能夠在我們的戰盃隨機是不是請注意這個問題那尤其是現在因為很多工廠水量我們有約束他們在2022年就講說再生水源的條例裡面在去年的8月就水利署有公佈只要每日用量超過2萬\n\n17\n00:05:34,233 --> 00:05:44,082\n的水的話就要用再生水50%那現在已經在執行了剛剛署長也特別講說已經很多在執行了你執行的情形是怎麼樣用再生水\n\n18\n00:05:47,894 --> 00:06:04,968\n對,都有執行而且因為再生水它是屬於我們在ESG裡面ISO46001水資源管理項目的一個重要績效目標所以現在重要的科技大廠在設置的時候他們都有非常充分的預言對,所以政府部長這裡我就要請教你了\n\n19\n00:06:11,454 --> 00:06:23,869\n因為很多的廠剛剛你講的台積電也好封測廠趕快成立然後趕快要擴廠那你現在這樣限制如果他沒有能力做再生水的話他就影響到他的擴廠是不是\n\n20\n00:06:55,061 --> 00:07:14,345\n有這種限制它不能擴敞部長有沒有去了解去協助他們呢?目前為止都還蠻順利的因為他們覺得這個是應該有的義務而且也符合ESG的規定因為再生水比較貴成本就會提高再生水大概在20塊到30塊中間所以我們自來水大概在10塊所以成本就會提高這一點部長也要給他們關心輔導再輔導\n\n21\n00:07:22,766 --> 00:07:29,109\n接下來請問漏水的問題我們之前有處理漏水的計畫在10年當中我們編了826億的預算從19.55%降低到12%到2023年還沒有降低到12%可能今年就會到12%\n\n22\n00:07:48,377 --> 00:07:48,477\n董事長\n\n23\n00:08:03,315 --> 00:08:30,032\n這個比例原則跟之前的826億那要查多少?這個跟委員報告現在我們漏水率降到12.54%對那今年應該會完成12%啦12%對那因為已經降到12%你再往下降的話每降1%它的那個經費投資要將近400億為什麼會提高?當然就是說你找回來的那個水量這個\n\n24\n00:08:32,049 --> 00:08:38,794\n因為是材料、工資這個成本都上漲。因為差很多啦。我們之前10年來執行的時候,大概降了差不多8%、7、8%嘛。那現在你現在降2%,你的目標是在10%對不對?但是你那邊的預算是600...\n\n25\n00:08:53,404 --> 00:09:20,803\n呃634億這個比例原則覺得太高了那個漏水率齁就是這樣你漏水率越低的時候你要再增加的時候困難度越高他其實就是因為這樣的關係所以這個部分其實都是很客觀在評估的好那我們希望說你們那個盡量都不要漏水啦那這個這個達標不只是10%最好能夠降到8%6%是最好的因為在全世界我們看他們的呃漏水率可沒那麼高齁我們要再加油好不好\n\n26\n00:09:21,783 --> 00:09:49,054\n那我們也看到說很多因為老舊的水管以前是自來水管是那個南亞塑膠管現在換為鐵柱管之後的話我們也換了從2023年我們看到我們換了7,856公里但是我們看到這4年來每一年的這個漏水破管的次數還是超過1000次那我們這麼努力在換管太舊換新還是發生這麼多那你如何去改進呢\n\n27\n00:09:50,288 --> 00:10:11,650\n其實跟委員報告其實我們各區處這邊有在統計就是我們的漏水件數每年都有在降低就是有一些管線犯新的可是連續4年你看都1000次以上啊2020年1099次2023年還有1000次那你有沒有辦法再往下降有有有因為我們的目標是多少降到多少\n\n28\n00:10:12,346 --> 00:10:13,507\n這個部分我有特別檢視過他在桃園這邊來\n\n29\n00:10:37,777 --> 00:10:39,658\n我們小漏也是漏可是我們看到的是怕那個大爆管\n\n30\n00:11:07,729 --> 00:11:31,320\n尤其在去年山坑啊龍潭的山坑大爆管那種淹水我們自來水公司即使也都處理都補償了這個給你個嘉獎喔那但是目前這個抽水山坑的抽水到現在還在延宕當中地目還沒變更好細部規劃都還沒有好到明年才會去開始動工嗎\n\n31\n00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:53,391\n是,根文報告,我們深坑沖水站的一個改善計畫,因為之前地方上對我們這塊場址有一些意見,我們積極的溝通。那現在已經跟,做了4次的跟地方開了說明會,那原則上地方的意見,我們都有做了一些調整。那我們已經把這個計畫再送給市政府,我們現在在辦理\n\n32\n00:11:56,713 --> 00:12:07,396\n土地的一個公開業廊……我們希望速度要快啦因為這個轉接抽水站是非常的重要因為現在又在乾旱期尤其像我們的農田現在有了這個停棲公三公四的情形都出來了農民很擔心如果說有需要的時候就讓他們辦休耕尤其每年休耕是到四月現在休耕到二月底而已天氣每天在變啊人家提早給他們辦休耕他們來不及啊\n\n33\n00:12:26,263 --> 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可是沒有拉到我們石門啊最終會這麼說的原因就是因為竹科\n134318\t156326\t有這個石門水庫跟寶三跟寶二的水都在供應竹科竹科的因為那是科技大廠都在那裡需要很多的水量如果水量不足的話結果石門要供水嘛那我現在擔心是石門的蓄水量不足的情況之下所以我請問你在什麼狀況之下要供水什麼水庫要供水給寶三\n158308\t175047\t這個部分我們都會去做好調度你沒有先調度我知道你要調度可是你要保障那我們也會把從北部算向北的如果說本席在這邊要求成本水過水保持在五成他如果沒有五成的話是不能供水給外地好不好\n175868\t196612\t你們有沒有去評估?你們要評估啊先保障當地的用水量一定一定但是因為我們石門的水其實我們很大量從北部從台北那邊過來甚至一天可以到80萬噸所以本席在這邊是問說我們的水要支援保三保二的話一定要我們自己的水要保持在五成以上才可以供水第二就是\n200967\t217446\t北水南送那現在我們石門水庫35%的蓄水那翡翠水庫水能不能供應到石門水庫因為它目前有水道現在就有現在是怎麼供應的方式現在一天就是有80萬噸的怎麼送水有水道嗎\n218359\t243096\t有,這個從百貨的水庫過來,所以過去這個80萬噸是要靠石門水庫來供給,現在不用了所以現在有供嗎?因為現在只剩下35%有有有有是,所以我們希望我們的備援水道能夠充分的能夠運送到需要的地方,但是一定要以當地優先考量好不好\n243716\t263661\t所以我們擔心你不要供給保三保二我們這邊的水會不夠我要提醒了這一點那所以說這個情形啊我們的水都供應給竹科這邊來使用那我想請教一下去年我們有限水節水的那個措施嘛那今年開始要啟動了嗎因為我看很多水庫水量的基礎\n264341\t273039\t目前我們公布的是桃竹廟臺中地區水停燈號綠燈綠燈代表的意思就是提醒大家鋪水期了我們要加強調度\n275020\t293889\t所以本席要提醒就是因為去年的情形我們那邊有戰備的水井有六座戰備的水井當時也是說在紅燈才要載水去給竹科用結果你們就偷跑了在橘燈你們就偷債了所以我們居民自助自己來自救\n295290\t308750\t所以把關注了所以停止你們不能偷債水所以本席在這邊再次提醒我們戰備水要紅燈才可以有緊急資源好不好這個不會去偷債啦我們跟桃園市政府都成立應變協議我們有簽合約\n312135\t331911\t紅燈才能夠在我們的戰盃隨機是不是請注意這個問題那尤其是現在因為很多工廠水量我們有約束他們在2022年就講說再生水源的條例裡面在去年的8月就水利署有公佈只要每日用量超過2萬\n334233\t344082\t的水的話就要用再生水50%那現在已經在執行了剛剛署長也特別講說已經很多在執行了你執行的情形是怎麼樣用再生水\n347894\t364968\t對,都有執行而且因為再生水它是屬於我們在ESG裡面ISO46001水資源管理項目的一個重要績效目標所以現在重要的科技大廠在設置的時候他們都有非常充分的預言對,所以政府部長這裡我就要請教你了\n371454\t383869\t因為很多的廠剛剛你講的台積電也好封測廠趕快成立然後趕快要擴廠那你現在這樣限制如果他沒有能力做再生水的話他就影響到他的擴廠是不是\n385333\t414241\t對,對,\n415061\t434345\t有這種限制它不能擴敞部長有沒有去了解去協助他們呢?目前為止都還蠻順利的因為他們覺得這個是應該有的義務而且也符合ESG的規定因為再生水比較貴成本就會提高再生水大概在20塊到30塊中間所以我們自來水大概在10塊所以成本就會提高這一點部長也要給他們關心輔導再輔導\n442766\t449109\t接下來請問漏水的問題我們之前有處理漏水的計畫在10年當中我們編了826億的預算從19.55%降低到12%到2023年還沒有降低到12%可能今年就會到12%\n468377\t468477\t董事長\n483315\t510032\t這個比例原則跟之前的826億那要查多少?這個跟委員報告現在我們漏水率降到12.54%對那今年應該會完成12%啦12%對那因為已經降到12%你再往下降的話每降1%它的那個經費投資要將近400億為什麼會提高?當然就是說你找回來的那個水量這個\n512049\t518794\t因為是材料、工資這個成本都上漲。因為差很多啦。我們之前10年來執行的時候,大概降了差不多8%、7、8%嘛。那現在你現在降2%,你的目標是在10%對不對?但是你那邊的預算是600...\n533404\t560803\t呃634億這個比例原則覺得太高了那個漏水率齁就是這樣你漏水率越低的時候你要再增加的時候困難度越高他其實就是因為這樣的關係所以這個部分其實都是很客觀在評估的好那我們希望說你們那個盡量都不要漏水啦那這個這個達標不只是10%最好能夠降到8%6%是最好的因為在全世界我們看他們的呃漏水率可沒那麼高齁我們要再加油好不好\n561783\t589054\t那我們也看到說很多因為老舊的水管以前是自來水管是那個南亞塑膠管現在換為鐵柱管之後的話我們也換了從2023年我們看到我們換了7,856公里但是我們看到這4年來每一年的這個漏水破管的次數還是超過1000次那我們這麼努力在換管太舊換新還是發生這麼多那你如何去改進呢\n590288\t611650\t其實跟委員報告其實我們各區處這邊有在統計就是我們的漏水件數每年都有在降低就是有一些管線犯新的可是連續4年你看都1000次以上啊2020年1099次2023年還有1000次那你有沒有辦法再往下降有有有因為我們的目標是多少降到多少\n612346\t613507\t這個部分我有特別檢視過他在桃園這邊來\n637777\t639658\t我們小漏也是漏可是我們看到的是怕那個大爆管\n667729\t691320\t尤其在去年山坑啊龍潭的山坑大爆管那種淹水我們自來水公司即使也都處理都補償了這個給你個嘉獎喔那但是目前這個抽水山坑的抽水到現在還在延宕當中地目還沒變更好細部規劃都還沒有好到明年才會去開始動工嗎\n692080\t713391\t是,根文報告,我們深坑沖水站的一個改善計畫,因為之前地方上對我們這塊場址有一些意見,我們積極的溝通。那現在已經跟,做了4次的跟地方開了說明會,那原則上地方的意見,我們都有做了一些調整。那我們已經把這個計畫再送給市政府,我們現在在辦理\n716713\t727396\t土地的一個公開業廊……我們希望速度要快啦因為這個轉接抽水站是非常的重要因為現在又在乾旱期尤其像我們的農田現在有了這個停棲公三公四的情形都出來了農民很擔心如果說有需要的時候就讓他們辦休耕尤其每年休耕是到四月現在休耕到二月底而已天氣每天在變啊人家提早給他們辦休耕他們來不及啊\n746263\t757428\t含水期了百分之三十五的蓄水量所以我是說我們的農水署還有我們的這個農糧所這邊應該要協助我們農民辦修更或者是供水的問題好不好好\n","txt":"呂玉玲委員請做詢答謝謝主席請王部長好我們請王部長\n部長因為台灣的地形高山跟河川的這個比較短的這個地形的關係所以我們很多的雨水都流到大海沒有辦法續集起來那所以剛剛大家都一直在關心自己當地的那個水庫的情形所以本席在這邊也要請教部長的就是我們桃園來講的話私門水庫\n有開一個水道就是備援水道到寶山那現在什麼時候會完工呢?今年2月已經動工了大概117年會完工那是被子用對不對?如果他有缺水我們被子用那石門水庫在去年來講的話大概3月底的話還有5層到今年來講的話才\n大概剩下35%表示這個水、蓄水量越來越低的情況之下那我們當時有提說那翡翠水庫也是那個備援的水到水管過來這邊大家互相看是水庫的狀況而定但是翡翠水庫這邊沒有答應要做\n那這樣子的話我們如果說什麼水庫水現在只到35%如果低於三成的話那如果寶山那邊水庫又低於兩成我們在什麼狀況之下會備援供水呢或停止備援供水\n謝謝委員 那我們確實一直要把北部的水往南拉所以直接從翡翠水庫那邊的那個計畫雖然不做但是後來我們跟北水處都有找到另外一個替代方案在三重蘆洲那邊去做一個工程讓翡翠的水一直可以往南拉那這個部分是一個替代 可是沒有拉到我們石門啊最終會這麼說的原因就是因為竹科\n有這個石門水庫跟寶三跟寶二的水都在供應竹科竹科的因為那是科技大廠都在那裡需要很多的水量如果水量不足的話結果石門要供水嘛那我現在擔心是石門的蓄水量不足的情況之下所以我請問你在什麼狀況之下要供水什麼水庫要供水給寶三\n這個部分我們都會去做好調度你沒有先調度我知道你要調度可是你要保障那我們也會把從北部算向北的如果說本席在這邊要求成本水過水保持在五成他如果沒有五成的話是不能供水給外地好不好\n你們有沒有去評估?你們要評估啊先保障當地的用水量一定一定但是因為我們石門的水其實我們很大量從北部從台北那邊過來甚至一天可以到80萬噸所以本席在這邊是問說我們的水要支援保三保二的話一定要我們自己的水要保持在五成以上才可以供水第二就是\n北水南送那現在我們石門水庫35%的蓄水那翡翠水庫水能不能供應到石門水庫因為它目前有水道現在就有現在是怎麼供應的方式現在一天就是有80萬噸的怎麼送水有水道嗎\n有,這個從百貨的水庫過來,所以過去這個80萬噸是要靠石門水庫來供給,現在不用了所以現在有供嗎?因為現在只剩下35%有有有有是,所以我們希望我們的備援水道能夠充分的能夠運送到需要的地方,但是一定要以當地優先考量好不好\n所以我們擔心你不要供給保三保二我們這邊的水會不夠我要提醒了這一點那所以說這個情形啊我們的水都供應給竹科這邊來使用那我想請教一下去年我們有限水節水的那個措施嘛那今年開始要啟動了嗎因為我看很多水庫水量的基礎\n目前我們公布的是桃竹廟臺中地區水停燈號綠燈綠燈代表的意思就是提醒大家鋪水期了我們要加強調度\n所以本席要提醒就是因為去年的情形我們那邊有戰備的水井有六座戰備的水井當時也是說在紅燈才要載水去給竹科用結果你們就偷跑了在橘燈你們就偷債了所以我們居民自助自己來自救\n所以把關注了所以停止你們不能偷債水所以本席在這邊再次提醒我們戰備水要紅燈才可以有緊急資源好不好這個不會去偷債啦我們跟桃園市政府都成立應變協議我們有簽合約\n紅燈才能夠在我們的戰盃隨機是不是請注意這個問題那尤其是現在因為很多工廠水量我們有約束他們在2022年就講說再生水源的條例裡面在去年的8月就水利署有公佈只要每日用量超過2萬\n的水的話就要用再生水50%那現在已經在執行了剛剛署長也特別講說已經很多在執行了你執行的情形是怎麼樣用再生水\n對,都有執行而且因為再生水它是屬於我們在ESG裡面ISO46001水資源管理項目的一個重要績效目標所以現在重要的科技大廠在設置的時候他們都有非常充分的預言對,所以政府部長這裡我就要請教你了\n因為很多的廠剛剛你講的台積電也好封測廠趕快成立然後趕快要擴廠那你現在這樣限制如果他沒有能力做再生水的話他就影響到他的擴廠是不是\n對,對,\n有這種限制它不能擴敞部長有沒有去了解去協助他們呢?目前為止都還蠻順利的因為他們覺得這個是應該有的義務而且也符合ESG的規定因為再生水比較貴成本就會提高再生水大概在20塊到30塊中間所以我們自來水大概在10塊所以成本就會提高這一點部長也要給他們關心輔導再輔導\n接下來請問漏水的問題我們之前有處理漏水的計畫在10年當中我們編了826億的預算從19.55%降低到12%到2023年還沒有降低到12%可能今年就會到12%\n董事長\n這個比例原則跟之前的826億那要查多少?這個跟委員報告現在我們漏水率降到12.54%對那今年應該會完成12%啦12%對那因為已經降到12%你再往下降的話每降1%它的那個經費投資要將近400億為什麼會提高?當然就是說你找回來的那個水量這個\n因為是材料、工資這個成本都上漲。因為差很多啦。我們之前10年來執行的時候,大概降了差不多8%、7、8%嘛。那現在你現在降2%,你的目標是在10%對不對?但是你那邊的預算是600...\n呃634億這個比例原則覺得太高了那個漏水率齁就是這樣你漏水率越低的時候你要再增加的時候困難度越高他其實就是因為這樣的關係所以這個部分其實都是很客觀在評估的好那我們希望說你們那個盡量都不要漏水啦那這個這個達標不只是10%最好能夠降到8%6%是最好的因為在全世界我們看他們的呃漏水率可沒那麼高齁我們要再加油好不好\n那我們也看到說很多因為老舊的水管以前是自來水管是那個南亞塑膠管現在換為鐵柱管之後的話我們也換了從2023年我們看到我們換了7,856公里但是我們看到這4年來每一年的這個漏水破管的次數還是超過1000次那我們這麼努力在換管太舊換新還是發生這麼多那你如何去改進呢\n其實跟委員報告其實我們各區處這邊有在統計就是我們的漏水件數每年都有在降低就是有一些管線犯新的可是連續4年你看都1000次以上啊2020年1099次2023年還有1000次那你有沒有辦法再往下降有有有因為我們的目標是多少降到多少\n這個部分我有特別檢視過他在桃園這邊來\n我們小漏也是漏可是我們看到的是怕那個大爆管\n尤其在去年山坑啊龍潭的山坑大爆管那種淹水我們自來水公司即使也都處理都補償了這個給你個嘉獎喔那但是目前這個抽水山坑的抽水到現在還在延宕當中地目還沒變更好細部規劃都還沒有好到明年才會去開始動工嗎\n是,根文報告,我們深坑沖水站的一個改善計畫,因為之前地方上對我們這塊場址有一些意見,我們積極的溝通。那現在已經跟,做了4次的跟地方開了說明會,那原則上地方的意見,我們都有做了一些調整。那我們已經把這個計畫再送給市政府,我們現在在辦理\n土地的一個公開業廊……我們希望速度要快啦因為這個轉接抽水站是非常的重要因為現在又在乾旱期尤其像我們的農田現在有了這個停棲公三公四的情形都出來了農民很擔心如果說有需要的時候就讓他們辦休耕尤其每年休耕是到四月現在休耕到二月底而已天氣每天在變啊人家提早給他們辦休耕他們來不及啊\n含水期了百分之三十五的蓄水量所以我是說我們的農水署還有我們的這個農糧所這邊應該要協助我們農民辦修更或者是供水的問題好不好好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.103 --> 00:12.886\n呂玉玲委員請做詢答謝謝主席請王部長好我們請王部長\n\n00:19.062 --> 00:41.731\n部長因為台灣的地形高山跟河川的這個比較短的這個地形的關係所以我們很多的雨水都流到大海沒有辦法續集起來那所以剛剛大家都一直在關心自己當地的那個水庫的情形所以本席在這邊也要請教部長的就是我們桃園來講的話私門水庫\n\n00:44.432 --> 01:09.754\n有開一個水道就是備援水道到寶山那現在什麼時候會完工呢?今年2月已經動工了大概117年會完工那是被子用對不對?如果他有缺水我們被子用那石門水庫在去年來講的話大概3月底的話還有5層到今年來講的話才\n\n01:11.576 --> 01:29.007\n大概剩下35%表示這個水、蓄水量越來越低的情況之下那我們當時有提說那翡翠水庫也是那個備援的水到水管過來這邊大家互相看是水庫的狀況而定但是翡翠水庫這邊沒有答應要做\n\n01:29.767 --> 01:45.368\n那這樣子的話我們如果說什麼水庫水現在只到35%如果低於三成的話那如果寶山那邊水庫又低於兩成我們在什麼狀況之下會備援供水呢或停止備援供水\n\n01:45.768 --> 01:48.549\n謝謝委員那我們確實一直要把北部的水往南拉所以直接從翡翠水庫那邊的那個計畫雖然不做但是後來我們跟北水處都有找到另外一個替代方案在三重蘆洲那邊去做一個工程讓翡翠的水一直可以往南拉那這個部分是一個替代可是沒有拉到我們石門啊最終會這麼說的原因就是因為竹科\n\n02:14.318 --> 02:36.326\n有這個石門水庫跟寶三跟寶二的水都在供應竹科竹科的因為那是科技大廠都在那裡需要很多的水量如果水量不足的話結果石門要供水嘛那我現在擔心是石門的蓄水量不足的情況之下所以我請問你在什麼狀況之下要供水什麼水庫要供水給寶三\n\n02:38.308 --> 02:55.047\n這個部分我們都會去做好調度你沒有先調度我知道你要調度可是你要保障那我們也會把從北部算向北的如果說本席在這邊要求成本水過水保持在五成他如果沒有五成的話是不能供水給外地好不好\n\n02:55.868 --> 03:16.612\n你們有沒有去評估?你們要評估啊先保障當地的用水量一定一定但是因為我們石門的水其實我們很大量從北部從台北那邊過來甚至一天可以到80萬噸所以本席在這邊是問說我們的水要支援保三保二的話一定要我們自己的水要保持在五成以上才可以供水第二就是\n\n03:20.967 --> 03:37.446\n北水南送那現在我們石門水庫35%的蓄水那翡翠水庫水能不能供應到石門水庫因為它目前有水道現在就有現在是怎麼供應的方式現在一天就是有80萬噸的怎麼送水有水道嗎\n\n03:38.359 --> 04:03.096\n有,這個從百貨的水庫過來,所以過去這個80萬噸是要靠石門水庫來供給,現在不用了所以現在有供嗎?因為現在只剩下35%有有有有是,所以我們希望我們的備援水道能夠充分的能夠運送到需要的地方,但是一定要以當地優先考量好不好\n\n04:03.716 --> 04:23.661\n所以我們擔心你不要供給保三保二我們這邊的水會不夠我要提醒了這一點那所以說這個情形啊我們的水都供應給竹科這邊來使用那我想請教一下去年我們有限水節水的那個措施嘛那今年開始要啟動了嗎因為我看很多水庫水量的基礎\n\n04:24.341 --> 04:33.039\n目前我們公布的是桃竹廟臺中地區水停燈號綠燈綠燈代表的意思就是提醒大家鋪水期了我們要加強調度\n\n04:35.020 --> 04:53.889\n所以本席要提醒就是因為去年的情形我們那邊有戰備的水井有六座戰備的水井當時也是說在紅燈才要載水去給竹科用結果你們就偷跑了在橘燈你們就偷債了所以我們居民自助自己來自救\n\n04:55.290 --> 05:08.750\n所以把關注了所以停止你們不能偷債水所以本席在這邊再次提醒我們戰備水要紅燈才可以有緊急資源好不好這個不會去偷債啦我們跟桃園市政府都成立應變協議我們有簽合約\n\n05:12.135 --> 05:31.911\n紅燈才能夠在我們的戰盃隨機是不是請注意這個問題那尤其是現在因為很多工廠水量我們有約束他們在2022年就講說再生水源的條例裡面在去年的8月就水利署有公佈只要每日用量超過2萬\n\n05:34.233 --> 05:44.082\n的水的話就要用再生水50%那現在已經在執行了剛剛署長也特別講說已經很多在執行了你執行的情形是怎麼樣用再生水\n\n05:47.894 --> 06:04.968\n對,都有執行而且因為再生水它是屬於我們在ESG裡面ISO46001水資源管理項目的一個重要績效目標所以現在重要的科技大廠在設置的時候他們都有非常充分的預言對,所以政府部長這裡我就要請教你了\n\n06:11.454 --> 06:23.869\n因為很多的廠剛剛你講的台積電也好封測廠趕快成立然後趕快要擴廠那你現在這樣限制如果他沒有能力做再生水的話他就影響到他的擴廠是不是\n\n06:55.061 --> 07:14.345\n有這種限制它不能擴敞部長有沒有去了解去協助他們呢?目前為止都還蠻順利的因為他們覺得這個是應該有的義務而且也符合ESG的規定因為再生水比較貴成本就會提高再生水大概在20塊到30塊中間所以我們自來水大概在10塊所以成本就會提高這一點部長也要給他們關心輔導再輔導\n\n07:22.766 --> 07:29.109\n接下來請問漏水的問題我們之前有處理漏水的計畫在10年當中我們編了826億的預算從19.55%降低到12%到2023年還沒有降低到12%可能今年就會到12%\n\n07:48.377 --> 07:48.477\n董事長\n\n08:03.315 --> 08:30.032\n這個比例原則跟之前的826億那要查多少?這個跟委員報告現在我們漏水率降到12.54%對那今年應該會完成12%啦12%對那因為已經降到12%你再往下降的話每降1%它的那個經費投資要將近400億為什麼會提高?當然就是說你找回來的那個水量這個\n\n08:32.049 --> 08:38.794\n因為是材料、工資這個成本都上漲。因為差很多啦。我們之前10年來執行的時候,大概降了差不多8%、7、8%嘛。那現在你現在降2%,你的目標是在10%對不對?但是你那邊的預算是600...\n\n08:53.404 --> 09:20.803\n呃634億這個比例原則覺得太高了那個漏水率齁就是這樣你漏水率越低的時候你要再增加的時候困難度越高他其實就是因為這樣的關係所以這個部分其實都是很客觀在評估的好那我們希望說你們那個盡量都不要漏水啦那這個這個達標不只是10%最好能夠降到8%6%是最好的因為在全世界我們看他們的呃漏水率可沒那麼高齁我們要再加油好不好\n\n09:21.783 --> 09:49.054\n那我們也看到說很多因為老舊的水管以前是自來水管是那個南亞塑膠管現在換為鐵柱管之後的話我們也換了從2023年我們看到我們換了7,856公里但是我們看到這4年來每一年的這個漏水破管的次數還是超過1000次那我們這麼努力在換管太舊換新還是發生這麼多那你如何去改進呢\n\n09:50.288 --> 10:11.650\n其實跟委員報告其實我們各區處這邊有在統計就是我們的漏水件數每年都有在降低就是有一些管線犯新的可是連續4年你看都1000次以上啊2020年1099次2023年還有1000次那你有沒有辦法再往下降有有有因為我們的目標是多少降到多少\n\n10:12.346 --> 10:13.507\n這個部分我有特別檢視過他在桃園這邊來\n\n10:37.777 --> 10:39.658\n我們小漏也是漏可是我們看到的是怕那個大爆管\n\n11:07.729 --> 11:31.320\n尤其在去年山坑啊龍潭的山坑大爆管那種淹水我們自來水公司即使也都處理都補償了這個給你個嘉獎喔那但是目前這個抽水山坑的抽水到現在還在延宕當中地目還沒變更好細部規劃都還沒有好到明年才會去開始動工嗎\n\n11:32.080 --> 11:53.391\n是,根文報告,我們深坑沖水站的一個改善計畫,因為之前地方上對我們這塊場址有一些意見,我們積極的溝通。那現在已經跟,做了4次的跟地方開了說明會,那原則上地方的意見,我們都有做了一些調整。那我們已經把這個計畫再送給市政府,我們現在在辦理\n\n11:56.713 --> 12:07.396\n土地的一個公開業廊……我們希望速度要快啦因為這個轉接抽水站是非常的重要因為現在又在乾旱期尤其像我們的農田現在有了這個停棲公三公四的情形都出來了農民很擔心如果說有需要的時候就讓他們辦休耕尤其每年休耕是到四月現在休耕到二月底而已天氣每天在變啊人家提早給他們辦休耕他們來不及啊\n\n12:26.263 --> 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