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00:00:58,645\n好,我們今天這個專案報告主要是在我們整個再生能源發展的過程裡面對我們的環境的影響是什麼這幾年我們可以看到很多各地光電全省開花同樣的有關於對環境對於農業對於綠地的衝擊也是遍地開花\n\n3\n00:01:09,550 --> 00:01:23,908\n我們可以看到比如說像平和公路平和公路花了百億的做種樹可是呢樹收下去之後呢就開始做光電又把它挖掉了就變成這樣子看到沒有光禿禿的\n\n4\n00:01:25,293 --> 00:01:41,247\n向屏東風鈴部落也抗議這個光點使得他們都在砍樹另外前一陣子很多人在國道休息站那麼大家都是喜歡停在樹下面因為擋那個怕太陽尤其夏天太陽太曬了\n\n5\n00:01:43,362 --> 00:01:57,133\n會發現樹都不見了通通變成光電板所以呢這個很多的民眾說我們這個政府是不是瘋掉了為了要做光電板不惜砍樹休息站的樹都砍掉了\n\n6\n00:01:58,018 --> 00:02:11,638\n另外過去也常常發生像我們七股地區也曾經有居民、漁民走上街頭說要救漁民護黑面疲勞\n\n7\n00:02:13,516 --> 00:02:29,179\n我講的這些都是我們在整個發展再生能源過程裡面大家看到有多少的民眾在反彈然後質疑為什麼樹不見了然後黑面疲勞不來了\n\n8\n00:02:31,182 --> 00:02:41,832\n過去我們的光電開發案的爭議還不止這些我們來看下一頁我幫你們整理了一下比如說臺東資本失地光電案那麼這個\n\n9\n00:02:45,566 --> 00:03:04,158\n那個大地部落的傳統的那個濕地的生態也被受影響比如說苗栗銅鑼足深社區的光電案石虎的重要棲地受影響紮化大成光電示範區農耕面積縮減臺南七股光電密度最高反正抗疫不斷我剛才也講了\n\n10\n00:03:04,918 --> 00:03:18,173\n平等訪聊石頭營光電案因為他緊鄰的是二戰的遺跡石頭營的碉堡所以我剛講的除了綠地除了生態還有他甚至侵害了我們這些遺跡\n\n11\n00:03:20,080 --> 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