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00:00:47,910\n相關的經費在審議前應該都會定案今天應該會定案吧因為明天要開始進行審議了審議前一定會定案因為你要撥補多少才欠到後面的整個票檔那部長我們之前都一直努力希望承續到1500億那如果無法達到這個目標部長覺得是什麼原因\n\n3\n00:00:49,500 --> 00:01:08,514\n如果院裡面有院裡面的一個考量然後那我們經濟部已經這個跟院裡面有做很多的討論所以部長有盡力的去爭取需要能夠比較高一點的撥補然後降低整個電費的一個壓力嗎是是所以院有院的一些考量\n\n4\n00:01:08,934 --> 00:01:33,838\n是是是好我們當然希望還有當然今天可能待會就會那看來這段時間的整個大家努力的結果其實當然對於比較賺錢的部分我們給予比較高的一些條幅啦齁那我看了一下這如果照這樣的來看的話對於這種有成長的也就表示有用電量成長表示有在賺錢的那我們還是給予比較高的一些條幅因為你這樣有賺錢你就不要讓台電負擔那麼高的成本嘛是那\n\n5\n00:01:34,258 --> 00:02:01,919\n那如果比較沒有用電量甚至是降低的甚至是減少的那看來有可能並不賺錢那也減少他的條幅那民生部分盡量努力在控制往下走大概是朝這樣的方向吧過往的模型都有這樣的一個經驗我們也希望今天院如果能夠盡速確定這個之後我們也希望盡快的那還是希望照這樣的原則希望對於民生的影響對物價影響能夠控制在一定的幅度內\n\n6\n00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:31,677\n那電價看來是會動了那不這樣那水應該就不會動了吧今年水不會動啦水價不會動目前還沒有規劃目前沒有規劃我想這個要很謹慎啦對當電有他的必須那水都不能那如果水不能動的時候那我現在講就是其實很多的管線老舊其實還是要去做一些的汰換啦鋼琴大家很多委員都關心到了像在高雄澎湖的部分\n\n7\n00:02:32,557 --> 00:02:56,867\n他的管線的老舊的比例其實是在17點多我的意思是說我希望經濟部這邊、自來水公司還是要加速這個管線因為漏水的最大原因還是在於管線的老舊特別是像今年的1月29號的時候當老舊漏水了以後其實造成了停水問題\n\n8\n00:02:58,188 --> 00:03:15,143\n停電停水這個大概對民生造成相當大的一些影響我希望部長還是要全力的支持再改善就是老舊的管線的汰換時間到了該換甚至提早換盡快來換那減少漏水的發生部長這個會支持嗎是我們一定支持是那\n\n9\n00:03:15,943 --> 00:03:35,759\n我之前我曾經開過記者會就是說去從102年我們投入了826億來做整個漏水率改善那也降了非常多下來然後從18點多降到今年應該會有機會到12了那未來的部分其實我也看了政府還是持續台水有編列預算大概編了808億要來持續來這個降了那這些經費會從哪裡來部長你會大力支持嗎\n\n10\n00:03:43,530 --> 00:03:59,437\n跟委員報告大概我們現在階段是到民國121年也是8年的一個長期計畫經費需求大概808億那這個部分我們是有跟部裡面跟業裡面來爭取看看能不能用公務預算能夠撥補\n\n11\n00:04:00,117 --> 00:04:15,012\n市長當自來水也是虧損那當然這也是政策因素啦吼那水價我們也這短時間也不太可能去動它的狀況下的時候這樣的經費能不能爭取由公務預算或者由政府來做一些協助是是我們會優於考量\n\n12\n00:04:15,532 --> 00:04:35,338\n好不好,我們希望全力來推啦,因為其實水是一個重要的那個,那我們在開發新的水源,那要開發都更加不容易了啦,現在每個要開發更,但是解水的部分是我們可以努力,當然越往下就難度越高,但是即使到了10都應該還是有很大的,還是有很大值得努力的空間啦。\n\n13\n00:04:36,038 --> 00:05:04,977\n那投入這樣的資源去節約讓水不要漏掉的話其實形同就是開闢的一些新的沒錯而且降水漏降低漏水力有像委員講的之外還有其實很多外溢的效應所以這個確實是一個非常重要的就是希望能夠在老舊的管線的改善跟整個漏水力的改善這塊政府再大力支持台水來來把這件事情的完成是好不好我們期待下一波的這個八百零八億那政府是更供預算給予支持那盡快來推動\n\n14\n00:05:06,158 --> 00:05:18,865\n是。好不好?是。好。那另外當然台水整個也在虧損吶齁除了這個管線要支持之外那它的虧損的部分經濟部這邊有考慮怎麼樣做給予一些協助嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:20,115 --> 00:05:32,725\n就是像剛才委員講的在降低漏水率這個是對一個社會的公益非常有幫助所以這個部分我們會來爭取那如果就台水本身的虧損的部分呢長遠來說的話會怎麼樣來給予協助因為他這個部分就是我們會用這樣的一個計畫來支持的話那台水把計畫提出來我們一定會來跟院裡面來爭取這樣子\n\n16\n00:05:43,993 --> 00:06:00,908\n好那接下來因為時間有限我再問一下南部的水庫的狀況最近當然感覺上有一些些的就是全台灣感染有點緊張但是我要問一下其實這個時間點跟去年的同時間你至少在南部來看水情相對是穩定嘛對不對更好\n\n17\n00:06:01,348 --> 00:06:01,388\n賴瑞隆議員\n\n18\n00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:35,064\n阿根委員講我們在過去的努力之下高雄市已經成為不但是供需供給大於需求而且是備援能力最多的地方包括像浮流水高雄州有超過80萬噸的浮流水還有再生水\n\n19\n00:06:35,744 --> 00:07:03,869\n這個就要謝謝部長跟署長的大力支持也有遠見啦齁我剛剛提到再生水最早的時候再生水要做的時候是沒有縣市願意做的但是高雄率先做然後我們的企業率先的支持所以再生水從浮流水到再生水廠甚至到海淡廠都已經在做一些規劃那我還是希望能夠持續啦齁電的部分我們提前做了很多準備不只做第七接收站我們興達我們大嶺都還持續對天然氣努力在\n\n20\n00:07:04,649 --> 00:07:29,225\n所以高雄現在電力是最充裕的地方那我也希望水的部分我們持續來做這樣的一個準備啦我也希望接下來再生水廠甚至於海淡廠的部分我也希望部長持續來支持好不好這個對未來調度或者是民生或者是產業的需求都有很大的幫助我也希望部長繼續來大力支持好嗎海淡廠的部分我知道興達有在做了大林這部分有在做規劃嗎\n\n21\n00:07:30,695 --> 00:07:45,809\n在評估當中那應該會朝著來做的方向來前進我們會持續的加速規劃的一個期間那再生水產除了原來的臨海鳳山之外橋頭男子也都在進行嗎?橋頭男子都在進行當中了嗎?還有其他的規劃嗎?\n\n22\n00:07:47,350 --> 00:08:09,276\n事實上都還有,包括原來的這個再生水廠是不是要擴大,這個部分也有在做一個...好不好,以及整體評估,沿海很多的這些的用水,它的需求量也是大的,那如果有需求的時候,從上次來,整個過去的經驗來看,鳳山跟臨海都造成很好的一個效果,那我們希望把這些珍貴的水源能夠達到最大的一個效益。\n\n23\n00:08:10,296 --> 00:08:19,942\n好那同這樣的就是其實也就剛剛所講的其實我們的民生工業其實高雄水源這幾年存備狀況其實都是充裕的啦齁那當然接下來我就要問啦齁這個\n\n24\n00:08:22,261 --> 00:08:40,836\n台積電來到高雄其實水跟電都是關鍵因素電充分的供應水充分供應那部長台積電除了原先的這個二奈米已經一個在建廠當中了這個再也謝謝部長的大力的支持那在進行當中的兩座了那現在船第三座會載到橋頭園區去有這樣的規劃嗎在這個部分應該\n\n25\n00:08:46,721 --> 00:08:46,861\n賴瑞隆\n\n26\n00:09:05,077 --> 00:09:05,197\n對,我們就要\n\n27\n00:09:20,174 --> 00:09:41,770\n部長持續鼓勵啦齁其實在一個很努力的城市他在水跟電各方面都齊備然後也都很支持當然希望說我們也希望多鼓勵往南部走讓整個區域來均衡發展不要集中在某一個區塊那也讓南部在努力的供水供電的同時的時候也能夠得到這個產業上的支持好不好好謝謝部長謝謝好接下來我們請邱毅英委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n149\t23085\t發言委員請做詢答。我們在邱毅委員詢答結束之後,我們休息10分鐘。謝謝。好,謝主席,請王部長。我們再請王部長。部長,先請教一下,這個行政院的撥補多少經費會牽扯到後面調漲的?那這個確定撥補1000億嗎?沒有辦法增益到1500億嗎?\n28583\t47910\t相關的經費在審議前應該都會定案今天應該會定案吧因為明天要開始進行審議了審議前一定會定案因為你要撥補多少才欠到後面的整個票檔那部長我們之前都一直努力希望承續到1500億那如果無法達到這個目標部長覺得是什麼原因\n49500\t68514\t如果院裡面有院裡面的一個考量然後那我們經濟部已經這個跟院裡面有做很多的討論所以部長有盡力的去爭取需要能夠比較高一點的撥補然後降低整個電費的一個壓力嗎是是所以院有院的一些考量\n68934\t93838\t是是是好我們當然希望還有當然今天可能待會就會那看來這段時間的整個大家努力的結果其實當然對於比較賺錢的部分我們給予比較高的一些條幅啦齁那我看了一下這如果照這樣的來看的話對於這種有成長的也就表示有用電量成長表示有在賺錢的那我們還是給予比較高的一些條幅因為你這樣有賺錢你就不要讓台電負擔那麼高的成本嘛是那\n94258\t121919\t那如果比較沒有用電量甚至是降低的甚至是減少的那看來有可能並不賺錢那也減少他的條幅那民生部分盡量努力在控制往下走大概是朝這樣的方向吧過往的模型都有這樣的一個經驗我們也希望今天院如果能夠盡速確定這個之後我們也希望盡快的那還是希望照這樣的原則希望對於民生的影響對物價影響能夠控制在一定的幅度內\n123280\t151677\t那電價看來是會動了那不這樣那水應該就不會動了吧今年水不會動啦水價不會動目前還沒有規劃目前沒有規劃我想這個要很謹慎啦對當電有他的必須那水都不能那如果水不能動的時候那我現在講就是其實很多的管線老舊其實還是要去做一些的汰換啦鋼琴大家很多委員都關心到了像在高雄澎湖的部分\n152557\t176867\t他的管線的老舊的比例其實是在17點多我的意思是說我希望經濟部這邊、自來水公司還是要加速這個管線因為漏水的最大原因還是在於管線的老舊特別是像今年的1月29號的時候當老舊漏水了以後其實造成了停水問題\n178188\t195143\t停電停水這個大概對民生造成相當大的一些影響我希望部長還是要全力的支持再改善就是老舊的管線的汰換時間到了該換甚至提早換盡快來換那減少漏水的發生部長這個會支持嗎是我們一定支持是那\n195943\t215759\t我之前我曾經開過記者會就是說去從102年我們投入了826億來做整個漏水率改善那也降了非常多下來然後從18點多降到今年應該會有機會到12了那未來的部分其實我也看了政府還是持續台水有編列預算大概編了808億要來持續來這個降了那這些經費會從哪裡來部長你會大力支持嗎\n223530\t239437\t跟委員報告大概我們現在階段是到民國121年也是8年的一個長期計畫經費需求大概808億那這個部分我們是有跟部裡面跟業裡面來爭取看看能不能用公務預算能夠撥補\n240117\t255012\t市長當自來水也是虧損那當然這也是政策因素啦吼那水價我們也這短時間也不太可能去動它的狀況下的時候這樣的經費能不能爭取由公務預算或者由政府來做一些協助是是我們會優於考量\n255532\t275338\t好不好,我們希望全力來推啦,因為其實水是一個重要的那個,那我們在開發新的水源,那要開發都更加不容易了啦,現在每個要開發更,但是解水的部分是我們可以努力,當然越往下就難度越高,但是即使到了10都應該還是有很大的,還是有很大值得努力的空間啦。\n276038\t304977\t那投入這樣的資源去節約讓水不要漏掉的話其實形同就是開闢的一些新的 沒錯而且降水漏降低漏水力有像委員講的之外還有其實很多外溢的效應所以這個確實是一個非常重要的就是希望能夠在老舊的管線的改善跟整個漏水力的改善這塊政府再大力支持台水來來把這件事情的完成是好不好我們期待下一波的這個八百零八億那政府是更供預算給予支持那盡快來推動\n306158\t318865\t是。好不好?是。好。那另外當然台水整個也在虧損吶齁除了這個管線要支持之外那它的虧損的部分經濟部這邊有考慮怎麼樣做給予一些協助嗎?\n320115\t332725\t就是像剛才委員講的在降低漏水率這個是對一個社會的公益非常有幫助所以這個部分我們會來爭取那如果就台水本身的虧損的部分呢長遠來說的話會怎麼樣來給予協助因為他這個部分就是我們會用這樣的一個計畫來支持的話那台水把計畫提出來我們一定會來跟院裡面來爭取這樣子\n343993\t360908\t好那接下來因為時間有限我再問一下南部的水庫的狀況最近當然感覺上有一些些的就是全台灣感染有點緊張但是我要問一下其實這個時間點跟去年的同時間你至少在南部來看水情相對是穩定嘛對不對更好\n361348\t361388\t賴瑞隆議員\n379639\t395064\t阿根委員講我們在過去的努力之下高雄市已經成為不但是供需供給大於需求而且是備援能力最多的地方包括像浮流水高雄州有超過80萬噸的浮流水還有再生水\n395744\t423869\t這個就要謝謝部長跟署長的大力支持也有遠見啦齁我剛剛提到再生水最早的時候再生水要做的時候是沒有縣市願意做的但是高雄率先做然後我們的企業率先的支持所以再生水從浮流水到再生水廠甚至到海淡廠都已經在做一些規劃那我還是希望能夠持續啦齁電的部分我們提前做了很多準備不只做第七接收站我們興達我們大嶺都還持續對天然氣努力在\n424649\t449225\t所以高雄現在電力是最充裕的地方那我也希望水的部分我們持續來做這樣的一個準備啦我也希望接下來再生水廠甚至於海淡廠的部分我也希望部長持續來支持好不好這個對未來調度或者是民生或者是產業的需求都有很大的幫助我也希望部長繼續來大力支持好嗎海淡廠的部分我知道興達有在做了大林這部分有在做規劃嗎\n450695\t465809\t在評估當中那應該會朝著來做的方向來前進我們會持續的加速規劃的一個期間那再生水產除了原來的臨海鳳山之外橋頭男子也都在進行嗎?橋頭男子都在進行當中了嗎?還有其他的規劃嗎?\n467350\t489276\t事實上都還有,包括原來的這個再生水廠是不是要擴大,這個部分也有在做一個...好不好,以及整體評估,沿海很多的這些的用水,它的需求量也是大的,那如果有需求的時候,從上次來,整個過去的經驗來看,鳳山跟臨海都造成很好的一個效果,那我們希望把這些珍貴的水源能夠達到最大的一個效益。\n490296\t499942\t好那同這樣的就是其實也就剛剛所講的其實我們的民生工業其實高雄水源這幾年存備狀況其實都是充裕的啦齁那當然接下來我就要問啦齁這個\n502261\t520836\t台積電來到高雄其實水跟電都是關鍵因素電充分的供應水充分供應那部長台積電除了原先的這個二奈米已經一個在建廠當中了這個再也謝謝部長的大力的支持那在進行當中的兩座了那現在船第三座會載到橋頭園區去有這樣的規劃嗎在這個部分應該\n526721\t526861\t賴瑞隆\n545077\t545197\t對,我們就要\n560174\t581770\t部長持續鼓勵啦齁其實在一個很努力的城市他在水跟電各方面都齊備然後也都很支持當然希望說我們也希望多鼓勵往南部走讓整個區域來均衡發展不要集中在某一個區塊那也讓南部在努力的供水供電的同時的時候也能夠得到這個產業上的支持好不好好謝謝部長謝謝好接下來我們請邱毅英委員\n","txt":"發言委員請做詢答。我們在邱毅委員詢答結束之後,我們休息10分鐘。謝謝。好,謝主席,請王部長。我們再請王部長。部長,先請教一下,這個行政院的撥補多少經費會牽扯到後面調漲的?那這個確定撥補1000億嗎?沒有辦法增益到1500億嗎?\n相關的經費在審議前應該都會定案今天應該會定案吧因為明天要開始進行審議了審議前一定會定案因為你要撥補多少才欠到後面的整個票檔那部長我們之前都一直努力希望承續到1500億那如果無法達到這個目標部長覺得是什麼原因\n如果院裡面有院裡面的一個考量然後那我們經濟部已經這個跟院裡面有做很多的討論所以部長有盡力的去爭取需要能夠比較高一點的撥補然後降低整個電費的一個壓力嗎是是所以院有院的一些考量\n是是是好我們當然希望還有當然今天可能待會就會那看來這段時間的整個大家努力的結果其實當然對於比較賺錢的部分我們給予比較高的一些條幅啦齁那我看了一下這如果照這樣的來看的話對於這種有成長的也就表示有用電量成長表示有在賺錢的那我們還是給予比較高的一些條幅因為你這樣有賺錢你就不要讓台電負擔那麼高的成本嘛是那\n那如果比較沒有用電量甚至是降低的甚至是減少的那看來有可能並不賺錢那也減少他的條幅那民生部分盡量努力在控制往下走大概是朝這樣的方向吧過往的模型都有這樣的一個經驗我們也希望今天院如果能夠盡速確定這個之後我們也希望盡快的那還是希望照這樣的原則希望對於民生的影響對物價影響能夠控制在一定的幅度內\n那電價看來是會動了那不這樣那水應該就不會動了吧今年水不會動啦水價不會動目前還沒有規劃目前沒有規劃我想這個要很謹慎啦對當電有他的必須那水都不能那如果水不能動的時候那我現在講就是其實很多的管線老舊其實還是要去做一些的汰換啦鋼琴大家很多委員都關心到了像在高雄澎湖的部分\n他的管線的老舊的比例其實是在17點多我的意思是說我希望經濟部這邊、自來水公司還是要加速這個管線因為漏水的最大原因還是在於管線的老舊特別是像今年的1月29號的時候當老舊漏水了以後其實造成了停水問題\n停電停水這個大概對民生造成相當大的一些影響我希望部長還是要全力的支持再改善就是老舊的管線的汰換時間到了該換甚至提早換盡快來換那減少漏水的發生部長這個會支持嗎是我們一定支持是那\n我之前我曾經開過記者會就是說去從102年我們投入了826億來做整個漏水率改善那也降了非常多下來然後從18點多降到今年應該會有機會到12了那未來的部分其實我也看了政府還是持續台水有編列預算大概編了808億要來持續來這個降了那這些經費會從哪裡來部長你會大力支持嗎\n跟委員報告大概我們現在階段是到民國121年也是8年的一個長期計畫經費需求大概808億那這個部分我們是有跟部裡面跟業裡面來爭取看看能不能用公務預算能夠撥補\n市長當自來水也是虧損那當然這也是政策因素啦吼那水價我們也這短時間也不太可能去動它的狀況下的時候這樣的經費能不能爭取由公務預算或者由政府來做一些協助是是我們會優於考量\n好不好,我們希望全力來推啦,因為其實水是一個重要的那個,那我們在開發新的水源,那要開發都更加不容易了啦,現在每個要開發更,但是解水的部分是我們可以努力,當然越往下就難度越高,但是即使到了10都應該還是有很大的,還是有很大值得努力的空間啦。\n那投入這樣的資源去節約讓水不要漏掉的話其實形同就是開闢的一些新的 沒錯而且降水漏降低漏水力有像委員講的之外還有其實很多外溢的效應所以這個確實是一個非常重要的就是希望能夠在老舊的管線的改善跟整個漏水力的改善這塊政府再大力支持台水來來把這件事情的完成是好不好我們期待下一波的這個八百零八億那政府是更供預算給予支持那盡快來推動\n是。好不好?是。好。那另外當然台水整個也在虧損吶齁除了這個管線要支持之外那它的虧損的部分經濟部這邊有考慮怎麼樣做給予一些協助嗎?\n就是像剛才委員講的在降低漏水率這個是對一個社會的公益非常有幫助所以這個部分我們會來爭取那如果就台水本身的虧損的部分呢長遠來說的話會怎麼樣來給予協助因為他這個部分就是我們會用這樣的一個計畫來支持的話那台水把計畫提出來我們一定會來跟院裡面來爭取這樣子\n好那接下來因為時間有限我再問一下南部的水庫的狀況最近當然感覺上有一些些的就是全台灣感染有點緊張但是我要問一下其實這個時間點跟去年的同時間你至少在南部來看水情相對是穩定嘛對不對更好\n賴瑞隆議員\n阿根委員講我們在過去的努力之下高雄市已經成為不但是供需供給大於需求而且是備援能力最多的地方包括像浮流水高雄州有超過80萬噸的浮流水還有再生水\n這個就要謝謝部長跟署長的大力支持也有遠見啦齁我剛剛提到再生水最早的時候再生水要做的時候是沒有縣市願意做的但是高雄率先做然後我們的企業率先的支持所以再生水從浮流水到再生水廠甚至到海淡廠都已經在做一些規劃那我還是希望能夠持續啦齁電的部分我們提前做了很多準備不只做第七接收站我們興達我們大嶺都還持續對天然氣努力在\n所以高雄現在電力是最充裕的地方那我也希望水的部分我們持續來做這樣的一個準備啦我也希望接下來再生水廠甚至於海淡廠的部分我也希望部長持續來支持好不好這個對未來調度或者是民生或者是產業的需求都有很大的幫助我也希望部長繼續來大力支持好嗎海淡廠的部分我知道興達有在做了大林這部分有在做規劃嗎\n在評估當中那應該會朝著來做的方向來前進我們會持續的加速規劃的一個期間那再生水產除了原來的臨海鳳山之外橋頭男子也都在進行嗎?橋頭男子都在進行當中了嗎?還有其他的規劃嗎?\n事實上都還有,包括原來的這個再生水廠是不是要擴大,這個部分也有在做一個...好不好,以及整體評估,沿海很多的這些的用水,它的需求量也是大的,那如果有需求的時候,從上次來,整個過去的經驗來看,鳳山跟臨海都造成很好的一個效果,那我們希望把這些珍貴的水源能夠達到最大的一個效益。\n好那同這樣的就是其實也就剛剛所講的其實我們的民生工業其實高雄水源這幾年存備狀況其實都是充裕的啦齁那當然接下來我就要問啦齁這個\n台積電來到高雄其實水跟電都是關鍵因素電充分的供應水充分供應那部長台積電除了原先的這個二奈米已經一個在建廠當中了這個再也謝謝部長的大力的支持那在進行當中的兩座了那現在船第三座會載到橋頭園區去有這樣的規劃嗎在這個部分應該\n賴瑞隆\n對,我們就要\n部長持續鼓勵啦齁其實在一個很努力的城市他在水跟電各方面都齊備然後也都很支持當然希望說我們也希望多鼓勵往南部走讓整個區域來均衡發展不要集中在某一個區塊那也讓南部在努力的供水供電的同時的時候也能夠得到這個產業上的支持好不好好謝謝部長謝謝好接下來我們請邱毅英委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.149 --> 00:23.085\n發言委員請做詢答。我們在邱毅委員詢答結束之後,我們休息10分鐘。謝謝。好,謝主席,請王部長。我們再請王部長。部長,先請教一下,這個行政院的撥補多少經費會牽扯到後面調漲的?那這個確定撥補1000億嗎?沒有辦法增益到1500億嗎?\n\n00:28.583 --> 00:47.910\n相關的經費在審議前應該都會定案今天應該會定案吧因為明天要開始進行審議了審議前一定會定案因為你要撥補多少才欠到後面的整個票檔那部長我們之前都一直努力希望承續到1500億那如果無法達到這個目標部長覺得是什麼原因\n\n00:49.500 --> 01:08.514\n如果院裡面有院裡面的一個考量然後那我們經濟部已經這個跟院裡面有做很多的討論所以部長有盡力的去爭取需要能夠比較高一點的撥補然後降低整個電費的一個壓力嗎是是所以院有院的一些考量\n\n01:08.934 --> 01:33.838\n是是是好我們當然希望還有當然今天可能待會就會那看來這段時間的整個大家努力的結果其實當然對於比較賺錢的部分我們給予比較高的一些條幅啦齁那我看了一下這如果照這樣的來看的話對於這種有成長的也就表示有用電量成長表示有在賺錢的那我們還是給予比較高的一些條幅因為你這樣有賺錢你就不要讓台電負擔那麼高的成本嘛是那\n\n01:34.258 --> 02:01.919\n那如果比較沒有用電量甚至是降低的甚至是減少的那看來有可能並不賺錢那也減少他的條幅那民生部分盡量努力在控制往下走大概是朝這樣的方向吧過往的模型都有這樣的一個經驗我們也希望今天院如果能夠盡速確定這個之後我們也希望盡快的那還是希望照這樣的原則希望對於民生的影響對物價影響能夠控制在一定的幅度內\n\n02:03.280 --> 02:31.677\n那電價看來是會動了那不這樣那水應該就不會動了吧今年水不會動啦水價不會動目前還沒有規劃目前沒有規劃我想這個要很謹慎啦對當電有他的必須那水都不能那如果水不能動的時候那我現在講就是其實很多的管線老舊其實還是要去做一些的汰換啦鋼琴大家很多委員都關心到了像在高雄澎湖的部分\n\n02:32.557 --> 02:56.867\n他的管線的老舊的比例其實是在17點多我的意思是說我希望經濟部這邊、自來水公司還是要加速這個管線因為漏水的最大原因還是在於管線的老舊特別是像今年的1月29號的時候當老舊漏水了以後其實造成了停水問題\n\n02:58.188 --> 03:15.143\n停電停水這個大概對民生造成相當大的一些影響我希望部長還是要全力的支持再改善就是老舊的管線的汰換時間到了該換甚至提早換盡快來換那減少漏水的發生部長這個會支持嗎是我們一定支持是那\n\n03:15.943 --> 03:35.759\n我之前我曾經開過記者會就是說去從102年我們投入了826億來做整個漏水率改善那也降了非常多下來然後從18點多降到今年應該會有機會到12了那未來的部分其實我也看了政府還是持續台水有編列預算大概編了808億要來持續來這個降了那這些經費會從哪裡來部長你會大力支持嗎\n\n03:43.530 --> 03:59.437\n跟委員報告大概我們現在階段是到民國121年也是8年的一個長期計畫經費需求大概808億那這個部分我們是有跟部裡面跟業裡面來爭取看看能不能用公務預算能夠撥補\n\n04:00.117 --> 04:15.012\n市長當自來水也是虧損那當然這也是政策因素啦吼那水價我們也這短時間也不太可能去動它的狀況下的時候這樣的經費能不能爭取由公務預算或者由政府來做一些協助是是我們會優於考量\n\n04:15.532 --> 04:35.338\n好不好,我們希望全力來推啦,因為其實水是一個重要的那個,那我們在開發新的水源,那要開發都更加不容易了啦,現在每個要開發更,但是解水的部分是我們可以努力,當然越往下就難度越高,但是即使到了10都應該還是有很大的,還是有很大值得努力的空間啦。\n\n04:36.038 --> 05:04.977\n那投入這樣的資源去節約讓水不要漏掉的話其實形同就是開闢的一些新的沒錯而且降水漏降低漏水力有像委員講的之外還有其實很多外溢的效應所以這個確實是一個非常重要的就是希望能夠在老舊的管線的改善跟整個漏水力的改善這塊政府再大力支持台水來來把這件事情的完成是好不好我們期待下一波的這個八百零八億那政府是更供預算給予支持那盡快來推動\n\n05:06.158 --> 05:18.865\n是。好不好?是。好。那另外當然台水整個也在虧損吶齁除了這個管線要支持之外那它的虧損的部分經濟部這邊有考慮怎麼樣做給予一些協助嗎?\n\n05:20.115 --> 05:32.725\n就是像剛才委員講的在降低漏水率這個是對一個社會的公益非常有幫助所以這個部分我們會來爭取那如果就台水本身的虧損的部分呢長遠來說的話會怎麼樣來給予協助因為他這個部分就是我們會用這樣的一個計畫來支持的話那台水把計畫提出來我們一定會來跟院裡面來爭取這樣子\n\n05:43.993 --> 06:00.908\n好那接下來因為時間有限我再問一下南部的水庫的狀況最近當然感覺上有一些些的就是全台灣感染有點緊張但是我要問一下其實這個時間點跟去年的同時間你至少在南部來看水情相對是穩定嘛對不對更好\n\n06:01.348 --> 06:01.388\n賴瑞隆議員\n\n06:19.639 --> 06:35.064\n阿根委員講我們在過去的努力之下高雄市已經成為不但是供需供給大於需求而且是備援能力最多的地方包括像浮流水高雄州有超過80萬噸的浮流水還有再生水\n\n06:35.744 --> 07:03.869\n這個就要謝謝部長跟署長的大力支持也有遠見啦齁我剛剛提到再生水最早的時候再生水要做的時候是沒有縣市願意做的但是高雄率先做然後我們的企業率先的支持所以再生水從浮流水到再生水廠甚至到海淡廠都已經在做一些規劃那我還是希望能夠持續啦齁電的部分我們提前做了很多準備不只做第七接收站我們興達我們大嶺都還持續對天然氣努力在\n\n07:04.649 --> 07:29.225\n所以高雄現在電力是最充裕的地方那我也希望水的部分我們持續來做這樣的一個準備啦我也希望接下來再生水廠甚至於海淡廠的部分我也希望部長持續來支持好不好這個對未來調度或者是民生或者是產業的需求都有很大的幫助我也希望部長繼續來大力支持好嗎海淡廠的部分我知道興達有在做了大林這部分有在做規劃嗎\n\n07:30.695 --> 07:45.809\n在評估當中那應該會朝著來做的方向來前進我們會持續的加速規劃的一個期間那再生水產除了原來的臨海鳳山之外橋頭男子也都在進行嗎?橋頭男子都在進行當中了嗎?還有其他的規劃嗎?\n\n07:47.350 --> 08:09.276\n事實上都還有,包括原來的這個再生水廠是不是要擴大,這個部分也有在做一個...好不好,以及整體評估,沿海很多的這些的用水,它的需求量也是大的,那如果有需求的時候,從上次來,整個過去的經驗來看,鳳山跟臨海都造成很好的一個效果,那我們希望把這些珍貴的水源能夠達到最大的一個效益。\n\n08:10.296 --> 08:19.942\n好那同這樣的就是其實也就剛剛所講的其實我們的民生工業其實高雄水源這幾年存備狀況其實都是充裕的啦齁那當然接下來我就要問啦齁這個\n\n08:22.261 --> 08:40.836\n台積電來到高雄其實水跟電都是關鍵因素電充分的供應水充分供應那部長台積電除了原先的這個二奈米已經一個在建廠當中了這個再也謝謝部長的大力的支持那在進行當中的兩座了那現在船第三座會載到橋頭園區去有這樣的規劃嗎在這個部分應該\n\n08:46.721 --> 08:46.861\n賴瑞隆\n\n09:05.077 --> 09:05.197\n對,我們就要\n\n09:20.174 --> 09:41.770\n部長持續鼓勵啦齁其實在一個很努力的城市他在水跟電各方面都齊備然後也都很支持當然希望說我們也希望多鼓勵往南部走讓整個區域來均衡發展不要集中在某一個區塊那也讓南部在努力的供水供電的同時的時候也能夠得到這個產業上的支持好不好好謝謝部長謝謝好接下來我們請邱毅英委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.149,"end":23.085,"text":"發言委員請做詢答。我們在邱毅委員詢答結束之後,我們休息10分鐘。謝謝。好,謝主席,請王部長。我們再請王部長。部長,先請教一下,這個行政院的撥補多少經費會牽扯到後面調漲的?那這個確定撥補1000億嗎?沒有辦法增益到1500億嗎?"},{"start":28.583,"end":47.91,"text":"相關的經費在審議前應該都會定案今天應該會定案吧因為明天要開始進行審議了審議前一定會定案因為你要撥補多少才欠到後面的整個票檔那部長我們之前都一直努力希望承續到1500億那如果無法達到這個目標部長覺得是什麼原因"},{"start":49.5,"end":68.514,"text":"如果院裡面有院裡面的一個考量然後那我們經濟部已經這個跟院裡面有做很多的討論所以部長有盡力的去爭取需要能夠比較高一點的撥補然後降低整個電費的一個壓力嗎是是所以院有院的一些考量"},{"start":68.934,"end":93.838,"text":"是是是好我們當然希望還有當然今天可能待會就會那看來這段時間的整個大家努力的結果其實當然對於比較賺錢的部分我們給予比較高的一些條幅啦齁那我看了一下這如果照這樣的來看的話對於這種有成長的也就表示有用電量成長表示有在賺錢的那我們還是給予比較高的一些條幅因為你這樣有賺錢你就不要讓台電負擔那麼高的成本嘛是那"},{"start":94.258,"end":121.919,"text":"那如果比較沒有用電量甚至是降低的甚至是減少的那看來有可能並不賺錢那也減少他的條幅那民生部分盡量努力在控制往下走大概是朝這樣的方向吧過往的模型都有這樣的一個經驗我們也希望今天院如果能夠盡速確定這個之後我們也希望盡快的那還是希望照這樣的原則希望對於民生的影響對物價影響能夠控制在一定的幅度內"},{"start":123.28,"end":151.677,"text":"那電價看來是會動了那不這樣那水應該就不會動了吧今年水不會動啦水價不會動目前還沒有規劃目前沒有規劃我想這個要很謹慎啦對當電有他的必須那水都不能那如果水不能動的時候那我現在講就是其實很多的管線老舊其實還是要去做一些的汰換啦鋼琴大家很多委員都關心到了像在高雄澎湖的部分"},{"start":152.557,"end":176.867,"text":"他的管線的老舊的比例其實是在17點多我的意思是說我希望經濟部這邊、自來水公司還是要加速這個管線因為漏水的最大原因還是在於管線的老舊特別是像今年的1月29號的時候當老舊漏水了以後其實造成了停水問題"},{"start":178.188,"end":195.143,"text":"停電停水這個大概對民生造成相當大的一些影響我希望部長還是要全力的支持再改善就是老舊的管線的汰換時間到了該換甚至提早換盡快來換那減少漏水的發生部長這個會支持嗎是我們一定支持是那"},{"start":195.943,"end":215.759,"text":"我之前我曾經開過記者會就是說去從102年我們投入了826億來做整個漏水率改善那也降了非常多下來然後從18點多降到今年應該會有機會到12了那未來的部分其實我也看了政府還是持續台水有編列預算大概編了808億要來持續來這個降了那這些經費會從哪裡來部長你會大力支持嗎"},{"start":223.53,"end":239.437,"text":"跟委員報告大概我們現在階段是到民國121年也是8年的一個長期計畫經費需求大概808億那這個部分我們是有跟部裡面跟業裡面來爭取看看能不能用公務預算能夠撥補"},{"start":240.117,"end":255.012,"text":"市長當自來水也是虧損那當然這也是政策因素啦吼那水價我們也這短時間也不太可能去動它的狀況下的時候這樣的經費能不能爭取由公務預算或者由政府來做一些協助是是我們會優於考量"},{"start":255.532,"end":275.338,"text":"好不好,我們希望全力來推啦,因為其實水是一個重要的那個,那我們在開發新的水源,那要開發都更加不容易了啦,現在每個要開發更,但是解水的部分是我們可以努力,當然越往下就難度越高,但是即使到了10都應該還是有很大的,還是有很大值得努力的空間啦。"},{"start":276.038,"end":304.977,"text":"那投入這樣的資源去節約讓水不要漏掉的話其實形同就是開闢的一些新的 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