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00:00:43,576\n我想請教一下因為我在2月27號的時候跟院長有質詢過就是關於就是現在目前設立這個光電是嫌惡設施嘛那因為有時候可能聚集民宅太近那在這個部分好像那天王部長有回答我說這個是不用修法的而是在現行的條例裡面就可以做相關的退縮的這樣子的一個方式是不是\n\n3\n00:00:44,898 --> 00:01:01,099\n能源局我想我請我們能源署那個委員回答一下這確實是有這樣的一個規劃對不對跟委員簡單報告就是針對這些緊鄰聚落的我們後來有修改我們的警官設置原則裡面那針對聚落部分我們要做適當退縮或者是說他要架設綠籬來做一個視覺警官站的一個隔離\n\n4\n00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:24,700\n對因為目前如果光電設施你們知道他會反光嗎那如果太鄰近民宅或者是緊鄰那個民眾的就是說休閒長去的去住所的話都會有可能造成民眾就是說在視覺上面或者是在相關的\n\n5\n00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,463\n我們大概有針對幾個案場有去做一些實測的這樣的一個數據啦那其實像那個我們蓄設如果蓋的太陽能板事實上對室內溫度是有降溫的效果\n\n6\n00:01:50,219 --> 00:02:10,978\n對事外可能會有另外一些影響那另外我們針對像我們在一些空曠地區的這些太陽光點我們也去做實際上的溫度調查事實上因為我們在空曠地區因為它的擴散良好有時候反而比那個社區裡面的溫度會更低這個是我們實測的結果所以根據這個光電廠設置的位置不同恐怕會有不一樣的這樣的一個結果\n\n7\n00:02:12,059 --> 00:02:29,058\n目前所有的光電廠我聽到的是說他們現在把光電廠的設置的容量變小然後範圍也變小就不需要經過環評是不是這樣子現在有環評只有在重要失地的案子才要經過環評\n\n8\n00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:41,619\n所以全部都已經不需要環評目前只有在重要事例設光電廠要環評所以他現在都不需要經過環評對所以這就是目前剛剛我們有環境部有講目前正在檢討當中\n\n9\n00:02:43,055 --> 00:03:01,495\n所以因為他們有好像把規模變小然後不需要經過環評那未來是否需要經過環評還有對於現在目前上面國有財產署的所屬的用地上面有目前有民眾成豬作為就是說農地\n\n10\n00:03:03,698 --> 00:03:23,058\n這樣子的情況下未來是不是還是優先你知道嗎因為國有財產署說未來他們是不需要他們不會提供他們那個承租者的資料給相關的光電業者但是到底是不是以目前承租者還是優先\n\n11\n00:03:24,227 --> 00:03:51,576\n沒有跟委員報告就現在我們跟經濟部跟財政部國產署大概有經過協調過去會有一些開發業者他們自己去找這些承住戶去協調造成一些不必要困擾所以現在的程序做一個修正如果有開發業者要承住國有地這個國產署會先把相關資料給我們我們會先去判斷套疊這塊土地的基本使用情況如果已經有農民在做合法的使用這塊地我們基本上不會同意\n\n12\n00:03:52,556 --> 00:04:15,707\n國產署把這個已經租給農民在合法使用正在使用中的土地再給開發業者去做光電這個我們跟國產署已經有達成這樣的一個共識所以現在已經做相關的修正了嗎過去有一些情況是有開發業者直接如果過去這些相關的開發業者已經取得就是國有財產署相關承租人用地的資訊那怎麼辦呢\n\n13\n00:04:17,788 --> 00:04:37,394\n其實有資訊因為他如果有既有租約他還是在國產署的合法租約裡面除非這個我們承租的農民他願意要終止租約他才國產署才有辦法在土地再租給開發商如果農民他不同意終止租約事實上這個土地還是要維持原來的租約的使用的\n\n14\n00:04:38,158 --> 00:04:54,253\n對因為目前的確有一些開發商他們會自行去跟農民聯繫但是給農民造成說他們在就是說在成都上面的壓力即便說他會有所謂的好像補貼或者是什麼\n\n15\n00:04:54,813 --> 00:05:17,148\n就是要成豬他會給他相關的補貼或怎麼樣但是會對於現在在上面耕作的農民產生相關的壓力那我認為基於就是保護成豬人就是原本成豬人的這樣子利益的情況下不應該就是把他們的個資給就是相關的開發業者好嗎\n\n16\n00:05:18,049 --> 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