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00:01:31,193\n所以我覺得為了保障師生的權益其實我們應該要訂定相關的特殊教育的學生情緒行為的處理準則讓第一線包含老師啊專任教師或帶課的老師可以有相關的知能那老師遇到這樣的狀況也不會無所適從我覺得這個是可以思考的\n\n6\n00:01:32,394 --> 00:01:47,484\n雖然現在不少的特教相關會有研習或相關的課程可是研習可能就像一種形式那也有教師反映說研習上課的內容其實很不符合現場的感覺而且都是空談理論\n\n7\n00:01:49,565 --> 00:01:49,945\n請市長說明,訂立這樣的SOP市長覺得怎麼樣?\n\n8\n00:02:13,368 --> 00:02:31,961\n林委員,我想針對班上的身心障礙學生,當然一方面我們會加強教師的教學智能,還有班級經營的智能是要的。針對如果是有這種身心障礙學生個案的情況發生的部分,確實也應該要讓老師的部分能夠有一個標準。\n\n9\n00:02:32,401 --> 00:02:33,962\n提供各學校及主管機關參考\n\n10\n00:02:48,655 --> 00:03:09,321\n好那另外就是說當然很多的委員都提到我們特教助理員的心思偏低的問題喔像當然現在有所謂的月薪制當然也有這個時薪的嘛那在時薪的方面其實喔有的縣市看起來最高是澎湖200塊那其他縣市都是183那如果一週你算最高40小時喔\n\n11\n00:03:15,623 --> 00:03:36,696\n一個月不到三萬塊所以他們又沒有年終又沒有寒暑假所以我想學校跟政府申請所謂的全校特教生所需的特教助理員總時數我們如果沒有辦法提供足夠的時數\n\n12\n00:03:38,017 --> 00:03:50,609\n整間學校的特殊生只能去分享少量跟零散的時數受教權一定受影響所以我覺得特教助理員的收入也沒辦法得到保障所以我覺得怎麼樣\n\n13\n00:03:53,151 --> 00:03:53,772\n請教育部列席\n\n14\n00:04:20,086 --> 00:04:36,792\n我先請教一下說有沒有信心達成4年增加1600名的這個目標那因為目前只有新竹市加南投縣跟嘉義縣有全學年的這個聘期可是寒暑假如果要到校他還是要這個\n\n15\n00:04:39,034 --> 00:04:55,355\n韓屬要到校才有所謂的這個起薪才投保這是這三個縣市喔那其餘的都沒有那我想我們是不是要思考說我們全國的特教助理員可不可以比較代課老師這樣代理老師這樣有全年期的聘期市長\n\n16\n00:04:59,527 --> 00:05:22,523\n特教助理員基本上是屬於相助特教老師的性質從今年開始4年會增加1,600位的目標在經會的編列部分一定會到位同時也會按照期程8月3日分配名額7月各縣市政府聘足這個名額我們希望4年1,600位的專業\n\n17\n00:05:26,966 --> 00:05:29,988\n但要比照代理老師全年期的聘期\n\n18\n00:05:42,614 --> 00:05:43,275\n特教助理員接受36小時執行訓練,沒有津貼\n\n19\n00:05:59,007 --> 00:05:59,408\n特教助理員\n\n20\n00:06:15,947 --> 00:06:34,013\n她現在目前看起來是一個輔佐是一個臨時的人力可是我覺得她應該是一個專業的職業所以我們如果可以建立一個所謂人力資料庫就是把助理員的資料建檔然後需求方可以根據資料找到人力那助理員也有可能機會在不同的職場間流動\n\n21\n00:06:35,473 --> 00:06:55,035\n所以針對這個特教助理員的這個薪資帶來提升．之前訓練的這個津貼．還有建立人力資料庫．我看教育部是不是來往這個方向．你覺得可不可行跟我們包含那個．之前訓練的部分．因為之前訓練上相關的課程．那個應該都是由我們主管機關來這個辦理\n\n22\n00:06:56,497 --> 00:06:57,038\n提供人力資料庫的參考\n\n23\n00:07:19,515 --> 00:07:41,790\n另外要跟您提到說因為這個禮拜一的質詢本席有提到准公幼的議題我想繼續追問上次潘部長有說會依照私校退場條例的概念來保障退場准公幼學生的權益所以我想確認一下如果說那一間准公幼審核沒有過那要退場\n\n24\n00:07:45,632 --> 00:07:49,956\n那原本還在校的學生是不是依照原本總共的收費標準嗎?市長署長\n\n25\n00:07:53,643 --> 00:08:19,522\n謝謝委員稍微所提這個問題那部長已經有承諾在3月底以前會照顧學生的這個權益的這種方案是會端出來公布好原則是依照退場條例原則會照這樣的一個方向來安置了部長講的比較是安置了是那這樣的一個情況如何在我們跟縣市政府還有六大團體來對話完之後再跟大家做個報告好在月底的時候謝謝\n\n26\n00:08:21,163 --> 00:08:37,269\n當然我們是絕對支持說如果說這個袁芳這邊有違法或者對待幼兒這個是屬實的話那當然不予續約可是現在是有一些幼教現場的人員很擔心說因為有些案件確實是個別教保員的個人行為\n\n27\n00:08:41,150 --> 00:08:41,310\n李慧琼議員\n\n28\n00:09:00,374 --> 00:09:20,287\n跟委員報告一下可能這個又叫總會他們看到可能是2月份的這個版本那剛剛提到我們3月份之前會有一個比較明確的這樣的規範所以也會考慮到這個又生的權益以及我們這個主播文化的一個這個推動那訂立一個比較合理的這樣子的一個退場機制處理\n\n29\n00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:42,721\n好,那另外還是要為這些辛苦的教保員請命因為教保員的薪資當然我們現在要增加兩千元當然有加薪當然非常好可是調整幅度我還是覺得不大夠不過我覺得有這個薪往前走是好事那現在總共用的教保員原本的薪資三萬元\n\n30\n00:09:46,084 --> 00:10:08,964\n今年度因為跟著軍公教調整4%（所以有增加1200元可是從准公幼開辦的上路2018期算基本工資已經調漲兩成四左右所以我們看看2018准公幼教保員當時的起薪是兩萬九千塊那如果調漲兩成四之後應該是三萬五千九百六十塊\n\n31\n00:10:11,014 --> 00:10:32,254\n這次的第三期即便准公幼教保員的薪資再增加兩千元那調整後的薪資也才三萬三千兩百元這個幅度還是來不及基本工資的調幅那當然這個議題是老議題那所以我是覺得這個是凸顯准公幼教保員薪資過低的問題\n\n32\n00:10:33,275 --> 00:10:58,556\n因為他們薪資過低就會留不住人才那我們未來還要調整這個師生比1比12喔那所以我想找不到老師因為找不到老師會被退場這件事情也有可能發生所以想請教說教保人員的薪資調整兩清遠的草案有沒有往上調的空間那薪資不足到底有沒有什麼解方或者說我們聽說過去的教保人員會被原方\n\n33\n00:10:59,497 --> 00:11:01,599\n新制是否能監督總工業教保人員新資公開機制審查問題?\n\n34\n00:11:14,205 --> 00:11:23,609\n跟委員報告一下,目前今年的教保委員薪資調整了1200多元,提到要到35600元,這部分涉及到層面政府經費及更換橫幅性問題,這可能要進一步通盤考量。\n\n35\n00:11:35,974 --> 00:11:58,185\n致於嚴格監督公教教保人員調薪的機制我想這個部分我們也都持續了政府的補助那當然必須符合我們的這個那個薪資的這個相關的一個規定那這個部分我們會會同跟地方政府那麼一起來做嚴格的監督謝謝好謝謝好謝謝主席謝謝次長好那我們現在先休息五分鐘謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n350\t2134\t實習完畢之後,我們先休息五分鐘,謝謝。\n16717\t30724\t針對目前台灣實施的融合教育我想有幾個問題要來跟次長請教那我想徵詢第一線的教師在教學現場所看到的困境首先就是處理事情\n31884\t37791\t事件處理的SOP在特殊教育法裡面定義的身心障礙的學生樣太多了我想除了視覺、聽覺、語言的障礙還有腦性麻痺、自閉症還有情緒行為的障礙等等我們總共13種的身心障礙別\n52927\t62996\t所以當特殊生有不同障礙類別遇到狀況的時候老師如果沒有一個處理的SOP就只能看臨場的這個反應跟判斷那決定怎麼樣處置才會比較合適\n68220\t91193\t所以我覺得為了保障師生的權益其實我們應該要訂定相關的特殊教育的學生情緒行為的處理準則讓第一線包含老師啊專任教師或帶課的老師可以有相關的知能那老師遇到這樣的狀況也不會無所適從我覺得這個是可以思考的\n92394\t107484\t雖然現在不少的特教相關會有研習或相關的課程可是研習可能就像一種形式那也有教師反映說研習上課的內容其實很不符合現場的感覺而且都是空談理論\n109565\t109945\t請市長說明,訂立這樣的SOP市長覺得怎麼樣?\n133368\t151961\t林委員,我想針對班上的身心障礙學生,當然一方面我們會加強教師的教學智能,還有班級經營的智能是要的。針對如果是有這種身心障礙學生個案的情況發生的部分,確實也應該要讓老師的部分能夠有一個標準。\n152401\t153962\t提供各學校及主管機關參考\n168655\t189321\t好那另外就是說當然很多的委員都提到我們特教助理員的心思偏低的問題喔像當然現在有所謂的月薪制當然也有這個時薪的嘛那在時薪的方面其實喔有的縣市看起來最高是澎湖200塊那其他縣市都是183那如果一週你算最高40小時喔\n195623\t216696\t一個月不到三萬塊所以他們又沒有年終又沒有寒暑假所以我想學校跟政府申請所謂的全校特教生所需的特教助理員總時數我們如果沒有辦法提供足夠的時數\n218017\t230609\t整間學校的特殊生只能去分享少量跟零散的時數受教權一定受影響所以我覺得特教助理員的收入也沒辦法得到保障所以我覺得怎麼樣\n233151\t233772\t請教育部列席\n260086\t276792\t我先請教一下說有沒有信心達成4年增加1600名的這個目標那因為目前只有新竹市加南投縣跟嘉義縣有全學年的這個聘期可是寒暑假如果要到校他還是要這個\n279034\t295355\t韓屬要到校才有所謂的這個起薪才投保這是這三個縣市喔那其餘的都沒有那我想我們是不是要思考說我們全國的特教助理員可不可以比較代課老師這樣代理老師這樣有全年期的聘期市長\n299527\t322523\t特教助理員基本上是屬於相助特教老師的性質從今年開始4年會增加1,600位的目標在經會的編列部分一定會到位同時也會按照期程8月3日分配名額7月各縣市政府聘足這個名額我們希望4年1,600位的專業\n326966\t329988\t但要比照代理老師全年期的聘期\n342614\t343275\t特教助理員接受36小時執行訓練,沒有津貼\n359007\t359408\t特教助理員\n375947\t394013\t她現在目前看起來是一個輔佐是一個臨時的人力可是我覺得她應該是一個專業的職業所以我們如果可以建立一個所謂人力資料庫就是把助理員的資料建檔然後需求方可以根據資料找到人力那助理員也有可能機會在不同的職場間流動\n395473\t415035\t所以針對這個特教助理員的這個薪資帶來提升．之前訓練的這個津貼．還有建立人力資料庫．我看教育部是不是來往這個方向．你覺得可不可行跟我們包含那個．之前訓練的部分．因為之前訓練上相關的課程．那個應該都是由我們主管機關來這個辦理\n416497\t417038\t提供人力資料庫的參考\n439515\t461790\t另外要跟您提到說因為這個禮拜一的質詢本席有提到准公幼的議題我想繼續追問上次潘部長有說會依照私校退場條例的概念來保障退場准公幼學生的權益所以我想確認一下如果說那一間准公幼審核沒有過那要退場\n465632\t469956\t那原本還在校的學生是不是依照原本總共的收費標準嗎?市長 署長\n473643\t499522\t謝謝委員稍微所提這個問題那部長已經有承諾在3月底以前會照顧學生的這個權益的這種方案是會端出來公布好原則是依照退場條例原則會照這樣的一個方向來安置了部長講的比較是安置了是那這樣的一個情況如何在我們跟縣市政府還有六大團體來對話完之後再跟大家做個報告好在月底的時候謝謝\n501163\t517269\t當然我們是絕對支持說如果說這個袁芳這邊有違法或者對待幼兒這個是屬實的話那當然不予續約可是現在是有一些幼教現場的人員很擔心說因為有些案件確實是個別教保員的個人行為\n521150\t521310\t李慧琼議員\n540374\t560287\t跟委員報告一下可能這個又叫總會他們看到可能是2月份的這個版本那剛剛提到我們3月份之前會有一個比較明確的這樣的規範所以也會考慮到這個又生的權益以及我們這個主播文化的一個這個推動那訂立一個比較合理的這樣子的一個退場機制處理\n561240\t582721\t好,那另外還是要為這些辛苦的教保員請命因為教保員的薪資當然我們現在要增加兩千元當然有加薪當然非常好可是調整幅度我還是覺得不大夠不過我覺得有這個薪往前走是好事那現在總共用的教保員原本的薪資三萬元\n586084\t608964\t今年度因為跟著軍公教調整4%（所以有增加1200元可是從准公幼開辦的上路2018期算基本工資已經調漲兩成四左右所以我們看看2018准公幼教保員當時的起薪是兩萬九千塊那如果調漲兩成四之後應該是三萬五千九百六十塊\n611014\t632254\t這次的第三期即便准公幼教保員的薪資再增加兩千元那調整後的薪資也才三萬三千兩百元這個幅度還是來不及基本工資的調幅那當然這個議題是老議題那所以我是覺得這個是凸顯准公幼教保員薪資過低的問題\n633275\t658556\t因為他們薪資過低就會留不住人才那我們未來還要調整這個師生比1比12喔那所以我想找不到老師因為找不到老師會被退場這件事情也有可能發生所以想請教說教保人員的薪資調整兩清遠的草案有沒有往上調的空間那薪資不足到底有沒有什麼解方或者說我們聽說過去的教保人員會被原方\n659497\t661599\t新制是否能監督總工業教保人員新資公開機制審查問題?\n674205\t683609\t跟委員報告一下,目前今年的教保委員薪資調整了1200多元,提到要到35600元,這部分涉及到層面政府經費及更換橫幅性問題,這可能要進一步通盤考量。\n695974\t718185\t致於嚴格監督公教教保人員調薪的機制我想這個部分我們也都持續了政府的補助那當然必須符合我們的這個那個薪資的這個相關的一個規定那這個部分我們會會同跟地方政府那麼一起來做嚴格的監督謝謝好謝謝好謝謝主席謝謝次長好那我們現在先休息五分鐘謝謝\n","txt":"實習完畢之後,我們先休息五分鐘,謝謝。\n針對目前台灣實施的融合教育我想有幾個問題要來跟次長請教那我想徵詢第一線的教師在教學現場所看到的困境首先就是處理事情\n事件處理的SOP在特殊教育法裡面定義的身心障礙的學生樣太多了我想除了視覺、聽覺、語言的障礙還有腦性麻痺、自閉症還有情緒行為的障礙等等我們總共13種的身心障礙別\n所以當特殊生有不同障礙類別遇到狀況的時候老師如果沒有一個處理的SOP就只能看臨場的這個反應跟判斷那決定怎麼樣處置才會比較合適\n所以我覺得為了保障師生的權益其實我們應該要訂定相關的特殊教育的學生情緒行為的處理準則讓第一線包含老師啊專任教師或帶課的老師可以有相關的知能那老師遇到這樣的狀況也不會無所適從我覺得這個是可以思考的\n雖然現在不少的特教相關會有研習或相關的課程可是研習可能就像一種形式那也有教師反映說研習上課的內容其實很不符合現場的感覺而且都是空談理論\n請市長說明,訂立這樣的SOP市長覺得怎麼樣?\n林委員,我想針對班上的身心障礙學生,當然一方面我們會加強教師的教學智能,還有班級經營的智能是要的。針對如果是有這種身心障礙學生個案的情況發生的部分,確實也應該要讓老師的部分能夠有一個標準。\n提供各學校及主管機關參考\n好那另外就是說當然很多的委員都提到我們特教助理員的心思偏低的問題喔像當然現在有所謂的月薪制當然也有這個時薪的嘛那在時薪的方面其實喔有的縣市看起來最高是澎湖200塊那其他縣市都是183那如果一週你算最高40小時喔\n一個月不到三萬塊所以他們又沒有年終又沒有寒暑假所以我想學校跟政府申請所謂的全校特教生所需的特教助理員總時數我們如果沒有辦法提供足夠的時數\n整間學校的特殊生只能去分享少量跟零散的時數受教權一定受影響所以我覺得特教助理員的收入也沒辦法得到保障所以我覺得怎麼樣\n請教育部列席\n我先請教一下說有沒有信心達成4年增加1600名的這個目標那因為目前只有新竹市加南投縣跟嘉義縣有全學年的這個聘期可是寒暑假如果要到校他還是要這個\n韓屬要到校才有所謂的這個起薪才投保這是這三個縣市喔那其餘的都沒有那我想我們是不是要思考說我們全國的特教助理員可不可以比較代課老師這樣代理老師這樣有全年期的聘期市長\n特教助理員基本上是屬於相助特教老師的性質從今年開始4年會增加1,600位的目標在經會的編列部分一定會到位同時也會按照期程8月3日分配名額7月各縣市政府聘足這個名額我們希望4年1,600位的專業\n但要比照代理老師全年期的聘期\n特教助理員接受36小時執行訓練,沒有津貼\n特教助理員\n她現在目前看起來是一個輔佐是一個臨時的人力可是我覺得她應該是一個專業的職業所以我們如果可以建立一個所謂人力資料庫就是把助理員的資料建檔然後需求方可以根據資料找到人力那助理員也有可能機會在不同的職場間流動\n所以針對這個特教助理員的這個薪資帶來提升．之前訓練的這個津貼．還有建立人力資料庫．我看教育部是不是來往這個方向．你覺得可不可行跟我們包含那個．之前訓練的部分．因為之前訓練上相關的課程．那個應該都是由我們主管機關來這個辦理\n提供人力資料庫的參考\n另外要跟您提到說因為這個禮拜一的質詢本席有提到准公幼的議題我想繼續追問上次潘部長有說會依照私校退場條例的概念來保障退場准公幼學生的權益所以我想確認一下如果說那一間准公幼審核沒有過那要退場\n那原本還在校的學生是不是依照原本總共的收費標準嗎?市長 署長\n謝謝委員稍微所提這個問題那部長已經有承諾在3月底以前會照顧學生的這個權益的這種方案是會端出來公布好原則是依照退場條例原則會照這樣的一個方向來安置了部長講的比較是安置了是那這樣的一個情況如何在我們跟縣市政府還有六大團體來對話完之後再跟大家做個報告好在月底的時候謝謝\n當然我們是絕對支持說如果說這個袁芳這邊有違法或者對待幼兒這個是屬實的話那當然不予續約可是現在是有一些幼教現場的人員很擔心說因為有些案件確實是個別教保員的個人行為\n李慧琼議員\n跟委員報告一下可能這個又叫總會他們看到可能是2月份的這個版本那剛剛提到我們3月份之前會有一個比較明確的這樣的規範所以也會考慮到這個又生的權益以及我們這個主播文化的一個這個推動那訂立一個比較合理的這樣子的一個退場機制處理\n好,那另外還是要為這些辛苦的教保員請命因為教保員的薪資當然我們現在要增加兩千元當然有加薪當然非常好可是調整幅度我還是覺得不大夠不過我覺得有這個薪往前走是好事那現在總共用的教保員原本的薪資三萬元\n今年度因為跟著軍公教調整4%（所以有增加1200元可是從准公幼開辦的上路2018期算基本工資已經調漲兩成四左右所以我們看看2018准公幼教保員當時的起薪是兩萬九千塊那如果調漲兩成四之後應該是三萬五千九百六十塊\n這次的第三期即便准公幼教保員的薪資再增加兩千元那調整後的薪資也才三萬三千兩百元這個幅度還是來不及基本工資的調幅那當然這個議題是老議題那所以我是覺得這個是凸顯准公幼教保員薪資過低的問題\n因為他們薪資過低就會留不住人才那我們未來還要調整這個師生比1比12喔那所以我想找不到老師因為找不到老師會被退場這件事情也有可能發生所以想請教說教保人員的薪資調整兩清遠的草案有沒有往上調的空間那薪資不足到底有沒有什麼解方或者說我們聽說過去的教保人員會被原方\n新制是否能監督總工業教保人員新資公開機制審查問題?\n跟委員報告一下,目前今年的教保委員薪資調整了1200多元,提到要到35600元,這部分涉及到層面政府經費及更換橫幅性問題,這可能要進一步通盤考量。\n致於嚴格監督公教教保人員調薪的機制我想這個部分我們也都持續了政府的補助那當然必須符合我們的這個那個薪資的這個相關的一個規定那這個部分我們會會同跟地方政府那麼一起來做嚴格的監督謝謝好謝謝好謝謝主席謝謝次長好那我們現在先休息五分鐘謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.350 --> 00:02.134\n實習完畢之後,我們先休息五分鐘,謝謝。\n\n00:16.717 --> 00:30.724\n針對目前台灣實施的融合教育我想有幾個問題要來跟次長請教那我想徵詢第一線的教師在教學現場所看到的困境首先就是處理事情\n\n00:31.884 --> 00:37.791\n事件處理的SOP在特殊教育法裡面定義的身心障礙的學生樣太多了我想除了視覺、聽覺、語言的障礙還有腦性麻痺、自閉症還有情緒行為的障礙等等我們總共13種的身心障礙別\n\n00:52.927 --> 01:02.996\n所以當特殊生有不同障礙類別遇到狀況的時候老師如果沒有一個處理的SOP就只能看臨場的這個反應跟判斷那決定怎麼樣處置才會比較合適\n\n01:08.220 --> 01:31.193\n所以我覺得為了保障師生的權益其實我們應該要訂定相關的特殊教育的學生情緒行為的處理準則讓第一線包含老師啊專任教師或帶課的老師可以有相關的知能那老師遇到這樣的狀況也不會無所適從我覺得這個是可以思考的\n\n01:32.394 --> 01:47.484\n雖然現在不少的特教相關會有研習或相關的課程可是研習可能就像一種形式那也有教師反映說研習上課的內容其實很不符合現場的感覺而且都是空談理論\n\n01:49.565 --> 01:49.945\n請市長說明,訂立這樣的SOP市長覺得怎麼樣?\n\n02:13.368 --> 02:31.961\n林委員,我想針對班上的身心障礙學生,當然一方面我們會加強教師的教學智能,還有班級經營的智能是要的。針對如果是有這種身心障礙學生個案的情況發生的部分,確實也應該要讓老師的部分能夠有一個標準。\n\n02:32.401 --> 02:33.962\n提供各學校及主管機關參考\n\n02:48.655 --> 03:09.321\n好那另外就是說當然很多的委員都提到我們特教助理員的心思偏低的問題喔像當然現在有所謂的月薪制當然也有這個時薪的嘛那在時薪的方面其實喔有的縣市看起來最高是澎湖200塊那其他縣市都是183那如果一週你算最高40小時喔\n\n03:15.623 --> 03:36.696\n一個月不到三萬塊所以他們又沒有年終又沒有寒暑假所以我想學校跟政府申請所謂的全校特教生所需的特教助理員總時數我們如果沒有辦法提供足夠的時數\n\n03:38.017 --> 03:50.609\n整間學校的特殊生只能去分享少量跟零散的時數受教權一定受影響所以我覺得特教助理員的收入也沒辦法得到保障所以我覺得怎麼樣\n\n03:53.151 --> 03:53.772\n請教育部列席\n\n04:20.086 --> 04:36.792\n我先請教一下說有沒有信心達成4年增加1600名的這個目標那因為目前只有新竹市加南投縣跟嘉義縣有全學年的這個聘期可是寒暑假如果要到校他還是要這個\n\n04:39.034 --> 04:55.355\n韓屬要到校才有所謂的這個起薪才投保這是這三個縣市喔那其餘的都沒有那我想我們是不是要思考說我們全國的特教助理員可不可以比較代課老師這樣代理老師這樣有全年期的聘期市長\n\n04:59.527 --> 05:22.523\n特教助理員基本上是屬於相助特教老師的性質從今年開始4年會增加1,600位的目標在經會的編列部分一定會到位同時也會按照期程8月3日分配名額7月各縣市政府聘足這個名額我們希望4年1,600位的專業\n\n05:26.966 --> 05:29.988\n但要比照代理老師全年期的聘期\n\n05:42.614 --> 05:43.275\n特教助理員接受36小時執行訓練,沒有津貼\n\n05:59.007 --> 05:59.408\n特教助理員\n\n06:15.947 --> 06:34.013\n她現在目前看起來是一個輔佐是一個臨時的人力可是我覺得她應該是一個專業的職業所以我們如果可以建立一個所謂人力資料庫就是把助理員的資料建檔然後需求方可以根據資料找到人力那助理員也有可能機會在不同的職場間流動\n\n06:35.473 --> 06:55.035\n所以針對這個特教助理員的這個薪資帶來提升．之前訓練的這個津貼．還有建立人力資料庫．我看教育部是不是來往這個方向．你覺得可不可行跟我們包含那個．之前訓練的部分．因為之前訓練上相關的課程．那個應該都是由我們主管機關來這個辦理\n\n06:56.497 --> 06:57.038\n提供人力資料庫的參考\n\n07:19.515 --> 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