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00:02:46,123\n現在是3月嘛,3月底以前3月底前,署長以後這個事情不要發生了人家基層老師已經打到國教署反應,署長還不曉得這個狀況薪水是最重要的,我們尊重勞工權益該家的薪不應該讓他變成次等公民就其他的專案都領到了,同一個學校他沒有領到好不好\n\n8\n00:03:03,255 --> 00:03:03,896\n今天大家的關心就是特教法．\n\n9\n00:03:19,998 --> 00:03:38,862\n特教法其實是我擔任召委的時候修的而且我當時還特別辦了公聽會那這邊就是我們一直在關注可是我想我們現在問到的就是一個落實的問題還有我們剛剛所講的人力的問題那這個部分剛剛大家都知道了現在班班特教生是常態高達96%\n\n10\n00:03:41,243 --> 00:04:05,798\n那是學校就是有特教生他在一般學校就讀高達89.9%特教生就是在所謂的普教融合那我想普教融合我從你們的報告中已經十幾年了可是呢一個好的方向進步的方向現場的支持度不夠的時候真的對雙方來講都是很痛苦的\n\n11\n00:04:06,198 --> 00:04:22,460\n那這個方向是對的可是我們該做的事情以我來看就是兩大難題之前發生不幸的特教生攻擊老師的事情那校長都說我們在專業上沒辦法支撐這個特教生\n\n12\n00:04:23,422 --> 00:04:25,104\n這不是很悲哀嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:25,104 --> 00:04:38,823\n看起來他不是個案是通案我想第一個現場支持的專業不足是問題普施特教職能代加長一個學期三小時的研習看起來是非常的不夠\n\n14\n00:04:40,365 --> 00:05:05,322\n特殊代理無證比例這麼的高剛剛的委員質詢都看到了最近我們開記者會伊蘭德就是幼教的部分剛剛也有委員講的比例又特別的高你現在看看苗栗的代理教師的比例31%最高的是什麼張嬅不是張嬅連江44%雲林縣我媽媽是雲林人看了真的非常難過雲林縣45%就是這部分\n\n15\n00:05:10,265 --> 00:05:11,745\n現場人力資源不足,特教助理員薪水低,不需要專業職能嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:59,335\n那人力不足時數又東扣西扣的那特教家級就說連我們普通老師都站出來幫忙講話說特教家級低動漲32年那這麼辛苦的工作特教老師說他做這樣的工作花的力氣是三倍的薪水就說是一樣甚至就是說並沒有比較好那他為什麼要當特教老師呢他如果有普通老師的資格他就轉去啦\n\n17\n00:06:00,936 --> 00:06:21,787\n這兩個這是我整理的兩大問題可是我今天不是要叫你回應這兩大問題我是要看看你們自己的回應JOYBOO的特殊教育忠誠計劃很重要吧目前最重要的忠誠計劃你們找了那麼多學者專家我看了一下你們的解方你們的七大解方我這邊\n\n18\n00:06:25,729 --> 00:06:35,772\n①嚴寧修訂相關有效融合的特教法規②精緻鑒定安置與輔導基礎③普通跟特教師的施肢培育有待精進④終身學習⑤通用設計、無障礙環境⑤轉弦問題、特教生生涯⑤強化特教支持網絡⑤國際交流\n\n19\n00:06:49,276 --> 00:07:12,146\n這個七大當前問題居然沒有我們剛剛所講的最嚴重的就是說人力不足代理比例這麼的高然後加上他薪水不足所以你這個國際交流這當然很好經濟也很好通用設計非常好可是我們看到現場第一線最大的問題居然不是在這七大問題之間這怎麼回事\n\n20\n00:07:15,168 --> 00:07:23,629\n這個第二期忠誠計畫我們這麼期待的可是沒有回應現場的生屍還有家長看到的最嚴重的問題\n\n21\n00:07:26,625 --> 00:07:52,595\n第二期的特殊教育中程計畫是在我們特殊教育法修正之前所訂定的所以是舊的那是什麼時候訂的目前的部分的話因為特殊教育法修正之後因為包含了去年公布這個新法同時執法包括我們剛才談到的那個政治專政教師或者是那個助理特效助理等等這些的一些相關的配套措施\n\n22\n00:07:53,675 --> 00:08:20,783\n市長我問你,我們那個新法我擔任召委我們14年,是14年沒修嘛,對不對?就是說什麼時候公告生效的新法?是去年的6月份去年6月,現在幾月了?去年6月跟現在之間多久了?因為主要是過了9個月,我們還沒有修正這個中程計畫因為有些細節的部分必須在執法裡面訂的中程計畫市長,我可不可以請你,我想因為時間有限,只剩2分鐘\n\n23\n00:08:22,404 --> 00:08:37,362\n這個沒有跟上我還在講特教在教育部的位階太低司長我為你爭取吳司長為你爭取重要度署長我知道你已經忙得焦頭爛額很多的議題特教值得更重要的關注\n\n24\n00:08:37,802 --> 00:09:01,036\n我們已經過了9個月了生效了這個第二期計畫還沒改還在修法前是不是立刻邀集第一線特教老師家長跟學生針對我們現在看到這麼多委員質詢的立刻研議修正好嗎可以嗎是我們可以來這個立即來邀集相關的這個單位一起來針對第二期中等計畫來做一個滾動調整修正\n\n25\n00:09:03,117 --> 00:09:24,057\n多久內可以給我一個本期報告你們修正一定要邀第一線的特教老師、相關團體、家長、學生看怎麼樣檢討修正修正好不好委員是不是這樣因為通常我們一個計畫的股東大概都以年度為單位不是啊你這個第二期預定是多久的第二期單位是多久\n\n26\n00:09:26,289 --> 00:09:27,050\n主席主席主席主席\n\n27\n00:09:45,259 --> 00:09:50,281\n剛剛講的單項如何降低特教代理教師比例你要有個規劃吧有個目標吧剛剛這麼高的比喻我剛剛聽次長講我會練入就是考核對不對給各縣市的經費我們之前處理代理教師的問題弄了三年我想這個事情我不希望是三年好嗎\n\n28\n00:10:07,089 --> 00:10:24,315\n那是不是可以給我一個單項的報告降低特教代理教師比例從幼兒園到國教你的目標是什麼時候要降到多少比例是合理的然後幾年內解決好不好\n\n29\n00:10:24,815 --> 00:10:26,056\n上次宜蘭我開的公聘會就是代理教師而且是第三招\n\n30\n00:10:40,168 --> 00:10:40,408\n一個月可以吧?還是兩個月?\n\n31\n00:11:02,567 --> 00:11:05,451\n這個計劃可能要再跟縣市政府來做一些討論。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2492\t7555\t謝謝莊委安排今天這個主題那還是有請次長林次長請次長好 范委員好次長早安我想今天我想問因為剛剛很多人都有問了我是要問一個小題一個大題那這個小題的部分就是次長不曉得知不知道我們其實自去年為軍工今年開始為軍工調薪4%可是呢\n32168\t33369\t國教署回覆已經在千半鐘兩週後沒有消息\n59584\t66833\t之前2月的時候問的時候陳伴同仁還回答說有收到公文就是有沒收到就沒有還沒辦法直接告訴他們有或沒有我知道這當然不是署長接電話可能要了解一下為什麼我們基層老師2月詢問國教署是這樣現在還在簽辦中\n78627\t89749\t那是不是能夠競速今天可不可以告訴大家這個特教老師代理老師跟他的專案助理什麼時候能夠拿到這個百分之四的薪水呢是那個我請彭處長次長閒不知道薪水是最重要的吧因為這屬於比較我們的業務我們來做個報告代理老師的部分就如去年他已經形成了一個機制那應該比較委員知道吧對\n108373\t133005\t但是為什麼學校其他的專案都是來自你們教育部的其他的人卻能夠同步就是說得到這個薪水可是我們這麼重要我們關注特教那薪水就像我們辦公室助理的薪水不管他是專案或者哪一種都是不應該讓他沒有拿到嘛加薪4%很重要啊所以教育委員所提到的兩種老師一個是代理一個是專案助理\n134406\t134586\t主席主席\n161019\t166123\t現在是3月嘛,3月底以前3月底前,署長以後這個事情不要發生了人家基層老師已經打到國教署反應,署長還不曉得這個狀況薪水是最重要的,我們尊重勞工權益該家的薪不應該讓他變成次等公民就其他的專案都領到了,同一個學校他沒有領到好不好\n183255\t183896\t今天大家的關心就是特教法．\n199998\t218862\t特教法其實是我擔任召委的時候修的而且我當時還特別辦了公聽會那這邊就是我們一直在關注可是我想我們現在問到的就是一個落實的問題還有我們剛剛所講的人力的問題那這個部分剛剛大家都知道了現在班班特教生是常態高達96%\n221243\t245798\t那是學校就是有特教生他在一般學校就讀高達89.9%特教生就是在所謂的普教融合那我想普教融合我從你們的報告中已經十幾年了可是呢一個好的方向進步的方向現場的支持度不夠的時候真的對雙方來講都是很痛苦的\n246198\t262460\t那這個方向是對的可是我們該做的事情以我來看就是兩大難題之前發生不幸的特教生攻擊老師的事情那校長都說我們在專業上沒辦法支撐這個特教生\n263422\t265104\t這不是很悲哀嗎?\n265104\t278823\t看起來他不是個案是通案我想第一個現場支持的專業不足是問題普施特教職能代加長一個學期三小時的研習看起來是非常的不夠\n280365\t305322\t特殊代理無證比例這麼的高剛剛的委員質詢都看到了最近我們開記者會伊蘭德就是幼教的部分剛剛也有委員講的比例又特別的高你現在看看苗栗的代理教師的比例31%最高的是什麼張嬅不是張嬅連江44%雲林縣我媽媽是雲林人看了真的非常難過雲林縣45%就是這部分\n310265\t311745\t現場人力資源不足,特教助理員薪水低,不需要專業職能嗎?\n331331\t359335\t那人力不足時數又東扣西扣的那特教家級就說連我們普通老師都站出來幫忙講話說特教家級低動漲32年那這麼辛苦的工作特教老師說他做這樣的工作花的力氣是三倍的薪水就說是一樣甚至就是說並沒有比較好那他為什麼要當特教老師呢他如果有普通老師的資格他就轉去啦\n360936\t381787\t這兩個這是我整理的兩大問題可是我今天不是要叫你回應這兩大問題我是要看看你們自己的回應JOYBOO的特殊教育忠誠計劃很重要吧目前最重要的忠誠計劃你們找了那麼多學者專家我看了一下你們的解方你們的七大解方我這邊\n385729\t395772\t①嚴寧修訂相關有效融合的特教法規②精緻鑒定安置與輔導基礎③普通跟特教師的施肢培育有待精進④終身學習⑤通用設計、無障礙環境⑤轉弦問題、特教生生涯⑤強化特教支持網絡⑤國際交流\n409276\t432146\t這個七大當前問題居然沒有我們剛剛所講的最嚴重的就是說人力不足代理比例這麼的高然後加上他薪水不足所以你這個國際交流這當然很好經濟也很好通用設計非常好可是我們看到現場第一線最大的問題居然不是在這七大問題之間這怎麼回事\n435168\t443629\t這個第二期忠誠計畫我們這麼期待的可是沒有回應現場的生屍還有家長看到的最嚴重的問題\n446625\t472595\t第二期的特殊教育中程計畫是在我們特殊教育法修正之前所訂定的所以是舊的那是什麼時候訂的目前的部分的話因為特殊教育法修正之後因為包含了去年公布這個新法同時執法包括我們剛才談到的那個政治專政教師或者是那個助理特效助理等等這些的一些相關的配套措施\n473675\t500783\t市長我問你,我們那個新法我擔任召委我們14年,是14年沒修嘛,對不對?就是說什麼時候公告生效的新法?是去年的6月份去年6月,現在幾月了?去年6月跟現在之間多久了?因為主要是過了9個月,我們還沒有修正這個中程計畫因為有些細節的部分必須在執法裡面訂的中程計畫市長,我可不可以請你,我想因為時間有限,只剩2分鐘\n502404\t517362\t這個沒有跟上我還在講特教在教育部的位階太低司長我為你爭取吳司長為你爭取重要度署長我知道你已經忙得焦頭爛額很多的議題特教值得更重要的關注\n517802\t541036\t我們已經過了9個月了生效了這個第二期計畫還沒改還在修法前是不是立刻邀集第一線特教老師家長跟學生針對我們現在看到這麼多委員質詢的立刻研議修正好嗎可以嗎是我們可以來這個立即來邀集相關的這個單位一起來針對第二期中等計畫來做一個滾動調整修正\n543117\t564057\t多久內可以給我一個本期報告你們修正一定要邀第一線的特教老師、相關團體、家長、學生看怎麼樣檢討修正修正好不好委員是不是這樣因為通常我們一個計畫的股東大概都以年度為單位不是啊你這個第二期預定是多久的第二期單位是多久\n566289\t567050\t主席主席主席主席\n585259\t590281\t剛剛講的單項如何降低特教代理教師比例你要有個規劃吧有個目標吧剛剛這麼高的比喻我剛剛聽次長講我會練入就是考核對不對給各縣市的經費我們之前處理代理教師的問題弄了三年我想這個事情我不希望是三年好嗎\n607089\t624315\t那是不是可以給我一個單項的報告降低特教代理教師比例從幼兒園到國教你的目標是什麼時候要降到多少比例是合理的然後幾年內解決好不好\n624815\t626056\t上次宜蘭我開的公聘會就是代理教師 而且是第三招\n640168\t640408\t一個月可以吧?還是兩個月?\n662567\t665451\t這個計劃可能要再跟縣市政府來做一些討論。\n","txt":"謝謝莊委安排今天這個主題那還是有請次長林次長請次長好 范委員好次長早安我想今天我想問因為剛剛很多人都有問了我是要問一個小題一個大題那這個小題的部分就是次長不曉得知不知道我們其實自去年為軍工今年開始為軍工調薪4%可是呢\n國教署回覆已經在千半鐘兩週後沒有消息\n之前2月的時候問的時候陳伴同仁還回答說有收到公文就是有沒收到就沒有還沒辦法直接告訴他們有或沒有我知道這當然不是署長接電話可能要了解一下為什麼我們基層老師2月詢問國教署是這樣現在還在簽辦中\n那是不是能夠競速今天可不可以告訴大家這個特教老師代理老師跟他的專案助理什麼時候能夠拿到這個百分之四的薪水呢是那個我請彭處長次長閒不知道薪水是最重要的吧因為這屬於比較我們的業務我們來做個報告代理老師的部分就如去年他已經形成了一個機制那應該比較委員知道吧對\n但是為什麼學校其他的專案都是來自你們教育部的其他的人卻能夠同步就是說得到這個薪水可是我們這麼重要我們關注特教那薪水就像我們辦公室助理的薪水不管他是專案或者哪一種都是不應該讓他沒有拿到嘛加薪4%很重要啊所以教育委員所提到的兩種老師一個是代理一個是專案助理\n主席主席\n現在是3月嘛,3月底以前3月底前,署長以後這個事情不要發生了人家基層老師已經打到國教署反應,署長還不曉得這個狀況薪水是最重要的,我們尊重勞工權益該家的薪不應該讓他變成次等公民就其他的專案都領到了,同一個學校他沒有領到好不好\n今天大家的關心就是特教法．\n特教法其實是我擔任召委的時候修的而且我當時還特別辦了公聽會那這邊就是我們一直在關注可是我想我們現在問到的就是一個落實的問題還有我們剛剛所講的人力的問題那這個部分剛剛大家都知道了現在班班特教生是常態高達96%\n那是學校就是有特教生他在一般學校就讀高達89.9%特教生就是在所謂的普教融合那我想普教融合我從你們的報告中已經十幾年了可是呢一個好的方向進步的方向現場的支持度不夠的時候真的對雙方來講都是很痛苦的\n那這個方向是對的可是我們該做的事情以我來看就是兩大難題之前發生不幸的特教生攻擊老師的事情那校長都說我們在專業上沒辦法支撐這個特教生\n這不是很悲哀嗎?\n看起來他不是個案是通案我想第一個現場支持的專業不足是問題普施特教職能代加長一個學期三小時的研習看起來是非常的不夠\n特殊代理無證比例這麼的高剛剛的委員質詢都看到了最近我們開記者會伊蘭德就是幼教的部分剛剛也有委員講的比例又特別的高你現在看看苗栗的代理教師的比例31%最高的是什麼張嬅不是張嬅連江44%雲林縣我媽媽是雲林人看了真的非常難過雲林縣45%就是這部分\n現場人力資源不足,特教助理員薪水低,不需要專業職能嗎?\n那人力不足時數又東扣西扣的那特教家級就說連我們普通老師都站出來幫忙講話說特教家級低動漲32年那這麼辛苦的工作特教老師說他做這樣的工作花的力氣是三倍的薪水就說是一樣甚至就是說並沒有比較好那他為什麼要當特教老師呢他如果有普通老師的資格他就轉去啦\n這兩個這是我整理的兩大問題可是我今天不是要叫你回應這兩大問題我是要看看你們自己的回應JOYBOO的特殊教育忠誠計劃很重要吧目前最重要的忠誠計劃你們找了那麼多學者專家我看了一下你們的解方你們的七大解方我這邊\n①嚴寧修訂相關有效融合的特教法規②精緻鑒定安置與輔導基礎③普通跟特教師的施肢培育有待精進④終身學習⑤通用設計、無障礙環境⑤轉弦問題、特教生生涯⑤強化特教支持網絡⑤國際交流\n這個七大當前問題居然沒有我們剛剛所講的最嚴重的就是說人力不足代理比例這麼的高然後加上他薪水不足所以你這個國際交流這當然很好經濟也很好通用設計非常好可是我們看到現場第一線最大的問題居然不是在這七大問題之間這怎麼回事\n這個第二期忠誠計畫我們這麼期待的可是沒有回應現場的生屍還有家長看到的最嚴重的問題\n第二期的特殊教育中程計畫是在我們特殊教育法修正之前所訂定的所以是舊的那是什麼時候訂的目前的部分的話因為特殊教育法修正之後因為包含了去年公布這個新法同時執法包括我們剛才談到的那個政治專政教師或者是那個助理特效助理等等這些的一些相關的配套措施\n市長我問你,我們那個新法我擔任召委我們14年,是14年沒修嘛,對不對?就是說什麼時候公告生效的新法?是去年的6月份去年6月,現在幾月了?去年6月跟現在之間多久了?因為主要是過了9個月,我們還沒有修正這個中程計畫因為有些細節的部分必須在執法裡面訂的中程計畫市長,我可不可以請你,我想因為時間有限,只剩2分鐘\n這個沒有跟上我還在講特教在教育部的位階太低司長我為你爭取吳司長為你爭取重要度署長我知道你已經忙得焦頭爛額很多的議題特教值得更重要的關注\n我們已經過了9個月了生效了這個第二期計畫還沒改還在修法前是不是立刻邀集第一線特教老師家長跟學生針對我們現在看到這麼多委員質詢的立刻研議修正好嗎可以嗎是我們可以來這個立即來邀集相關的這個單位一起來針對第二期中等計畫來做一個滾動調整修正\n多久內可以給我一個本期報告你們修正一定要邀第一線的特教老師、相關團體、家長、學生看怎麼樣檢討修正修正好不好委員是不是這樣因為通常我們一個計畫的股東大概都以年度為單位不是啊你這個第二期預定是多久的第二期單位是多久\n主席主席主席主席\n剛剛講的單項如何降低特教代理教師比例你要有個規劃吧有個目標吧剛剛這麼高的比喻我剛剛聽次長講我會練入就是考核對不對給各縣市的經費我們之前處理代理教師的問題弄了三年我想這個事情我不希望是三年好嗎\n那是不是可以給我一個單項的報告降低特教代理教師比例從幼兒園到國教你的目標是什麼時候要降到多少比例是合理的然後幾年內解決好不好\n上次宜蘭我開的公聘會就是代理教師 而且是第三招\n一個月可以吧?還是兩個月?\n這個計劃可能要再跟縣市政府來做一些討論。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.492 --> 00:07.555\n謝謝莊委安排今天這個主題那還是有請次長林次長請次長好范委員好次長早安我想今天我想問因為剛剛很多人都有問了我是要問一個小題一個大題那這個小題的部分就是次長不曉得知不知道我們其實自去年為軍工今年開始為軍工調薪4%可是呢\n\n00:32.168 --> 00:33.369\n國教署回覆已經在千半鐘兩週後沒有消息\n\n00:59.584 --> 01:06.833\n之前2月的時候問的時候陳伴同仁還回答說有收到公文就是有沒收到就沒有還沒辦法直接告訴他們有或沒有我知道這當然不是署長接電話可能要了解一下為什麼我們基層老師2月詢問國教署是這樣現在還在簽辦中\n\n01:18.627 --> 01:29.749\n那是不是能夠競速今天可不可以告訴大家這個特教老師代理老師跟他的專案助理什麼時候能夠拿到這個百分之四的薪水呢是那個我請彭處長次長閒不知道薪水是最重要的吧因為這屬於比較我們的業務我們來做個報告代理老師的部分就如去年他已經形成了一個機制那應該比較委員知道吧對\n\n01:48.373 --> 02:13.005\n但是為什麼學校其他的專案都是來自你們教育部的其他的人卻能夠同步就是說得到這個薪水可是我們這麼重要我們關注特教那薪水就像我們辦公室助理的薪水不管他是專案或者哪一種都是不應該讓他沒有拿到嘛加薪4%很重要啊所以教育委員所提到的兩種老師一個是代理一個是專案助理\n\n02:14.406 --> 02:14.586\n主席主席\n\n02:41.019 --> 02:46.123\n現在是3月嘛,3月底以前3月底前,署長以後這個事情不要發生了人家基層老師已經打到國教署反應,署長還不曉得這個狀況薪水是最重要的,我們尊重勞工權益該家的薪不應該讓他變成次等公民就其他的專案都領到了,同一個學校他沒有領到好不好\n\n03:03.255 --> 03:03.896\n今天大家的關心就是特教法．\n\n03:19.998 --> 03:38.862\n特教法其實是我擔任召委的時候修的而且我當時還特別辦了公聽會那這邊就是我們一直在關注可是我想我們現在問到的就是一個落實的問題還有我們剛剛所講的人力的問題那這個部分剛剛大家都知道了現在班班特教生是常態高達96%\n\n03:41.243 --> 04:05.798\n那是學校就是有特教生他在一般學校就讀高達89.9%特教生就是在所謂的普教融合那我想普教融合我從你們的報告中已經十幾年了可是呢一個好的方向進步的方向現場的支持度不夠的時候真的對雙方來講都是很痛苦的\n\n04:06.198 --> 04:22.460\n那這個方向是對的可是我們該做的事情以我來看就是兩大難題之前發生不幸的特教生攻擊老師的事情那校長都說我們在專業上沒辦法支撐這個特教生\n\n04:23.422 --> 04:25.104\n這不是很悲哀嗎?\n\n04:25.104 --> 04:38.823\n看起來他不是個案是通案我想第一個現場支持的專業不足是問題普施特教職能代加長一個學期三小時的研習看起來是非常的不夠\n\n04:40.365 --> 05:05.322\n特殊代理無證比例這麼的高剛剛的委員質詢都看到了最近我們開記者會伊蘭德就是幼教的部分剛剛也有委員講的比例又特別的高你現在看看苗栗的代理教師的比例31%最高的是什麼張嬅不是張嬅連江44%雲林縣我媽媽是雲林人看了真的非常難過雲林縣45%就是這部分\n\n05:10.265 --> 05:11.745\n現場人力資源不足,特教助理員薪水低,不需要專業職能嗎?\n\n05:31.331 --> 05:59.335\n那人力不足時數又東扣西扣的那特教家級就說連我們普通老師都站出來幫忙講話說特教家級低動漲32年那這麼辛苦的工作特教老師說他做這樣的工作花的力氣是三倍的薪水就說是一樣甚至就是說並沒有比較好那他為什麼要當特教老師呢他如果有普通老師的資格他就轉去啦\n\n06:00.936 --> 06:21.787\n這兩個這是我整理的兩大問題可是我今天不是要叫你回應這兩大問題我是要看看你們自己的回應JOYBOO的特殊教育忠誠計劃很重要吧目前最重要的忠誠計劃你們找了那麼多學者專家我看了一下你們的解方你們的七大解方我這邊\n\n06:25.729 --> 06:35.772\n①嚴寧修訂相關有效融合的特教法規②精緻鑒定安置與輔導基礎③普通跟特教師的施肢培育有待精進④終身學習⑤通用設計、無障礙環境⑤轉弦問題、特教生生涯⑤強化特教支持網絡⑤國際交流\n\n06:49.276 --> 07:12.146\n這個七大當前問題居然沒有我們剛剛所講的最嚴重的就是說人力不足代理比例這麼的高然後加上他薪水不足所以你這個國際交流這當然很好經濟也很好通用設計非常好可是我們看到現場第一線最大的問題居然不是在這七大問題之間這怎麼回事\n\n07:15.168 --> 07:23.629\n這個第二期忠誠計畫我們這麼期待的可是沒有回應現場的生屍還有家長看到的最嚴重的問題\n\n07:26.625 --> 07:52.595\n第二期的特殊教育中程計畫是在我們特殊教育法修正之前所訂定的所以是舊的那是什麼時候訂的目前的部分的話因為特殊教育法修正之後因為包含了去年公布這個新法同時執法包括我們剛才談到的那個政治專政教師或者是那個助理特效助理等等這些的一些相關的配套措施\n\n07:53.675 --> 08:20.783\n市長我問你,我們那個新法我擔任召委我們14年,是14年沒修嘛,對不對?就是說什麼時候公告生效的新法?是去年的6月份去年6月,現在幾月了?去年6月跟現在之間多久了?因為主要是過了9個月,我們還沒有修正這個中程計畫因為有些細節的部分必須在執法裡面訂的中程計畫市長,我可不可以請你,我想因為時間有限,只剩2分鐘\n\n08:22.404 --> 08:37.362\n這個沒有跟上我還在講特教在教育部的位階太低司長我為你爭取吳司長為你爭取重要度署長我知道你已經忙得焦頭爛額很多的議題特教值得更重要的關注\n\n08:37.802 --> 09:01.036\n我們已經過了9個月了生效了這個第二期計畫還沒改還在修法前是不是立刻邀集第一線特教老師家長跟學生針對我們現在看到這麼多委員質詢的立刻研議修正好嗎可以嗎是我們可以來這個立即來邀集相關的這個單位一起來針對第二期中等計畫來做一個滾動調整修正\n\n09:03.117 --> 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