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--> 00:00:23,035\n我們請廖偉翔委員進行質詢。主席好,有請我們薛部長。好,請部長。好,廖委員好。部長你好。\n\n2\n00:00:24,266 --> 00:00:47,179\n你們的報告認真拜讀喔那裡面有提到現行認定標準所規範應實施環評之規模太陽光電相較於其他能源開發容易且除液後較容易恢復原土地功能對環境之影響較小所以只把濕地納入規範對嗎是是那請問部長你有實際去看過對土地的影響嗎實際去看過哪一個案場\n\n3\n00:00:49,262 --> 00:01:16,190\n我並沒有關電廠這一塊並沒有實地去看過對阿那你沒看過怎麼會做出這樣的結論呢這個是行之永年環境部跟以前的環保署好那你看一下是那部長你看一下這個國家地理雜誌拍出來的這個案場你知道是哪裡嗎這個之前好像有報導過在南部某一個對你有沒有去過有沒有了解\n\n4\n00:01:17,783 --> 00:01:34,300\n這個沒有去過沒有嘛對不對沒有了解對不對他是在台南六甲區的廢棄光電廠對他新聞見報之後他們就趕快去拆除了新聞就沒有熱點但是我們事後有請團隊去實地走訪我想請問部長這樣子的土地能不能種植\n\n5\n00:01:36,171 --> 00:01:56,943\n當初廢棄設光電廠應該本來就是不適合種植才廢棄設光電廠嗎我覺得您這樣子有點就是這樣子的講法是有點不負責任喔因為這樣案例是很多而且也有很多綠能發電可能違規或是種種因素被取消發電之後廠商倒閉破產沒有餘力去解決廢棄光電板\n\n6\n00:01:58,664 --> 00:02:19,044\n所以請問部長因為沒有法規去認定這些光電板是廢棄物還是建築物所以地方政府有時候只敢裁法不敢拆但這也會對環境造成衝擊環境部有沒有打算要協助地方政府來認定或拆除我想全職單位當然在執行面是地方政府啦\n\n7\n00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:39,832\n那環境部會來協助假如地方政府有需求當然環境部會來積極我覺得部長這樣聽起來都有點小被動喔聽起來是很被動的喔再看一下一個案場喔你看這個部長你知道這裡是哪裡嗎剛剛我想很多委員可能也有提到這個\n\n8\n00:02:41,357 --> 00:02:45,722\n現在光電面積已經到了3500公頃來到了整個七股面積的三成餘溫變成光電田然後氣溫也飆到43.7度請問部長你真的還可以說太陽光電板對環境沒有影響嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:02,395 --> 00:03:27,191\n事實上可能委員談到的是某一些這個特別的一個情況啦剛剛我們也談到一電公升的這一塊事實上它的面積不可能全部覆蓋啦部長您看一下這個就是這樣嘛對不對那我想要跟您講的是我們沒有要阻止再生能源的發展我們也很認同再生能源是我們現在國家發展需要的地方可是\n\n10\n00:03:28,993 --> 00:03:54,750\n就是你們持續就這個開發行為實施環境影響評估及範圍認定標準收集各方意見有沒有也參考這個七股的前車之鑒一定範圍內的光電板的總量有沒有辦法管制不要讓光電板密度高到對環境有衝擊事實上我們未來修法的方向是對單一的開發案件超過某一定的面積或某一定的這個發電量\n\n11\n00:03:56,823 --> 00:03:58,624\n反正基本上你們現在按照目前的法令\n\n12\n00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:33,565\n這只有地點在重要失地面積才需要做環評不是嗎以現有的辦法是這樣但是剛剛林委員齁前一位林委員他也特別提到在這個過程當中經濟部能源署也會針對他非失地但是是一般部長我這裡要打斷你喔我知道你會全部都推到經濟部那裡去可是問題是\n\n13\n00:04:36,446 --> 00:05:00,675\n現在目前的法例我想重要失地才規範要做環評那我想請問部長我國重要失地面積有多大根據廖文你這邊講的對這邊只有1.1%那我們臺灣本島跟離島的國土面積總共有三萬六千一百三萬等於是六千兩百平方公里喔所以\n\n14\n00:05:01,653 --> 00:05:22,642\n我們就來看看到底環境部主管的環評作業對於守護我們環境的能力到底有多大呢用我們我國的重要失地的總計再處理這個這個我國的國土面積結果你們可以做的只有1.1%的環境的管理和環評那另外的98.9%呢就是你剛剛說的經濟部嘛對不對\n\n15\n00:05:27,093 --> 00:05:38,209\n但是不只是只有這些重要濕地占比國土陸地面積的1.1%的土地啊才是環…事實上在這個之外還有很多很重要的需要做環評嘛\n\n16\n00:05:40,647 --> 00:06:04,274\n說到這邊我想請教這些規定的法令出處都是來自於開發行為應實施環境影響評估細目及範圍認定標準而這個標準的法律依據是環境影響評估法的第5條第二項要求訂定的對不對?給廖阿文報告齁事實上我們的民眾或者說委員很多都認為說\n\n17\n00:06:06,447 --> 00:06:17,616\n環評是說開發案當中感覺上好像只要環評一過接下來就就大概好像就沒有沒有這個意思但是我想要跟你講說請教這樣子環境影響評估法的主管機關是誰環評當然是環境部\n\n18\n00:06:21,986 --> 00:06:38,989\n對那其實基本上環評的目標也是希望你們可以為台灣為我們國土環境做出貢獻做出主要主導的能力嘛對不對是那我再另外請問開發行為應實施環境影響評估細目及範圍認定標準的制定跟修正需不需要經過立法院三讀\n\n19\n00:06:40,668 --> 00:06:59,058\n這個是執法的部分不用嘛對不對所以既然這樣子喔所以看起來針對這個光電的環評業務今天環境部今天不是不管而是刻意不管欸有大開光電後門甚至刻意不作為就推給其他主管單位來管理欸\n\n20\n00:07:00,222 --> 00:07:10,862\n因為今天所以你們今天環境部的專案報告才會像是第三頁內容中喔發生了環境部角色錯亂的情形竟然去替經濟部宣傳經濟部在進行環境業務\n\n21\n00:07:13,939 --> 00:07:28,713\n像是環境部說經濟部有制定兩個行政辦法一個是設置地面型陽光電設施景觀及生態環境審定原則另一個則是影響漁電共生的太陽光電環境與社會檢核機制\n\n22\n00:07:31,499 --> 00:07:54,941\n那明明都是跟環境審定環境檢核有關為什麼環境部要放掉這樣重要的環境業務讓外行的經濟部來把關國家將近99%的陸地面積的環境呢講到這裡當然抱歉部長我想要講到這裡我想要表達的事情當然你會覺得說好像是國家的這個能源發展政策然後大開大門喔\n\n23\n00:07:56,178 --> 00:08:11,116\n所以這就讓我們覺得很疑惑那我們環境部從升格到部的話感覺功能好像更喪失了那環境部明明知道經濟部的能源署無力管理早就也被監察院糾正了\n\n24\n00:08:12,137 --> 00:08:29,487\n環境部明明知道事業開發單位像是臺堂臺堂他把保安零給給人開發做光電但臺堂自己哪會管理也因此臺堂一樣也被監察院糾正的有太多的案例明明環境部都知道也可以管但偏偏環境部就制定出一套擺爛的遊戲規則再來\n\n25\n00:08:32,521 --> 00:08:42,877\n辯解說自己沒有違反遊戲規則在開罰的執法也因為地方自治的關係環境部都可以說是地方政府的事讓我們感覺現在環境部是沒有存在感的\n\n26\n00:08:43,789 --> 00:09:11,843\n別忘了去年環評委員聯署要求修法解決環境部光電無能的困境當升格前夕的環保署也承諾推動修法但至今已經一年了毫無進度修正的草案也沒有預告所以我今天就很想要送環境部四個字這四個字叫做光電無能我光電著一個無能的環境部就是因為環境部在光電的發展上面管理是無能的\n\n27\n00:09:12,850 --> 00:09:39,869\n所以我要求環境部可不可以一個月內提出具體修法進度或直接要求3個月內要草案也預告不能夠再好像事不關己一樣可以嗎給廖委員報告事實上廖委員所描述的並不是這個能夠精切的描述行政院跨部會之間的合作那廖委員假如覺得說像剛剛提到的那部分應該由環境部來主責我們也非常樂意來這個\n\n28\n00:09:42,202 --> 00:09:43,863\n我們也覺得說整個案子在進行的也蠻順利的\n\n29\n00:10:05,936 --> 00:10:34,195\n另外站在行政單位的角度當然來配合好我們今天我想這個委員會開完我想您也該可以了解為什麼所有的委員很關心這件事情希望未來環境部可以積極有所作為一向很積極謝謝部長最後一題好SRF也就是固體的再生燃料原料原理就是將廢棄物燃料化但是最近也是不斷的受到學者環團和地方政府質疑請問SRF是不是假綠呢\n\n30\n00:10:34,795 --> 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對不對沒有了解對不對他是在台南六甲區的廢棄光電廠對他新聞見報之後他們就趕快去拆除了新聞就沒有熱點但是我們事後有請團隊去實地走訪我想請問部長這樣子的土地能不能種植\n96171\t116943\t當初廢棄設光電廠應該本來就是不適合種植才廢棄設光電廠嗎我覺得您這樣子有點就是這樣子的講法是有點不負責任喔因為這樣案例是很多而且也有很多綠能發電可能違規或是種種因素被取消發電之後廠商倒閉破產沒有餘力去解決廢棄光電板\n118664\t139044\t所以請問部長因為沒有法規去認定這些光電板是廢棄物還是建築物所以地方政府有時候只敢裁法不敢拆但這也會對環境造成衝擊環境部有沒有打算要協助地方政府來認定或拆除我想全職單位當然在執行面是地方政府啦\n139639\t159832\t那環境部會來協助假如地方政府有需求當然環境部會來積極我覺得部長這樣聽起來都有點小被動喔聽起來是很被動的喔再看一下一個案場喔你看這個部長你知道這裡是哪裡嗎剛剛我想很多委員可能也有提到這個\n161357\t165722\t現在光電面積已經到了3500公頃來到了整個七股面積的三成餘溫變成光電田然後氣溫也飆到43.7度請問部長你真的還可以說太陽光電板對環境沒有影響嗎?\n182395\t207191\t事實上可能委員談到的是某一些這個特別的一個情況啦剛剛我們也談到一電公升的這一塊事實上它的面積不可能全部覆蓋啦部長您看一下這個就是這樣嘛對不對那我想要跟您講的是我們沒有要阻止再生能源的發展我們也很認同再生能源是我們現在國家發展需要的地方可是\n208993\t234750\t就是你們持續就這個開發行為實施環境影響評估及範圍認定標準收集各方意見有沒有也參考這個七股的前車之鑒一定範圍內的光電板的總量有沒有辦法管制不要讓光電板密度高到對環境有衝擊事實上我們未來修法的方向是對單一的開發案件超過某一定的面積或某一定的這個發電量\n236823\t238624\t反正基本上你們現在按照目前的法令\n253670\t273565\t這只有地點在重要失地面積才需要做環評不是嗎以現有的辦法是這樣但是剛剛林委員齁前一位林委員他也特別提到在這個過程當中經濟部能源署也會針對他非失地但是是一般部長我這裡要打斷你喔我知道你會全部都推到經濟部那裡去可是問題是\n276446\t300675\t現在目前的法例我想重要失地才規範要做環評那我想請問部長我國重要失地面積有多大根據廖文你這邊講的對這邊只有1.1%那我們臺灣本島跟離島的國土面積總共有三萬六千一百三萬等於是六千兩百平方公里喔所以\n301653\t322642\t我們就來看看到底環境部主管的環評作業對於守護我們環境的能力到底有多大呢用我們我國的重要失地的總計再處理這個這個我國的國土面積結果你們可以做的只有1.1%的環境的管理和環評那另外的98.9%呢就是你剛剛說的經濟部嘛對不對\n327093\t338209\t但是不只是只有這些重要濕地占比國土陸地面積的1.1%的土地啊才是環…事實上在這個之外還有很多很重要的需要做環評嘛\n340647\t364274\t說到這邊我想請教這些規定的法令出處都是來自於開發行為應實施環境影響評估細目及範圍認定標準而這個標準的法律依據是環境影響評估法的第5條第二項要求訂定的對不對?給廖阿文報告齁事實上我們的民眾或者說委員很多都認為說\n366447\t377616\t環評是說開發案當中感覺上好像只要環評一過接下來就就大概好像就沒有沒有這個意思但是我想要跟你講說請教這樣子環境影響評估法的主管機關是誰環評當然是環境部\n381986\t398989\t對那其實基本上環評的目標也是希望你們可以為台灣為我們國土環境做出貢獻做出主要主導的能力嘛對不對是那我再另外請問開發行為應實施環境影響評估細目及範圍認定標準的制定跟修正需不需要經過立法院三讀\n400668\t419058\t這個是執法的部分不用嘛對不對所以既然這樣子喔所以看起來針對這個光電的環評業務今天環境部今天不是不管而是刻意不管欸有大開光電後門甚至刻意不作為就推給其他主管單位來管理欸\n420222\t430862\t因為今天所以你們今天環境部的專案報告才會像是第三頁內容中喔發生了環境部角色錯亂的情形竟然去替經濟部宣傳經濟部在進行環境業務\n433939\t448713\t像是環境部說經濟部有制定兩個行政辦法一個是設置地面型陽光電設施景觀及生態環境審定原則另一個則是影響漁電共生的太陽光電環境與社會檢核機制\n451499\t474941\t那明明都是跟環境審定環境檢核有關為什麼環境部要放掉這樣重要的環境業務讓外行的經濟部來把關國家將近99%的陸地面積的環境呢講到這裡當然抱歉部長我想要講到這裡我想要表達的事情當然你會覺得說好像是國家的這個能源發展政策然後大開大門喔\n476178\t491116\t所以這就讓我們覺得很疑惑那我們環境部從升格到部的話感覺功能好像更喪失了那環境部明明知道經濟部的能源署無力管理早就也被監察院糾正了\n492137\t509487\t環境部明明知道事業開發單位像是臺堂臺堂他把保安零給給人開發做光電但臺堂自己哪會管理也因此臺堂一樣也被監察院糾正的有太多的案例明明環境部都知道也可以管但偏偏環境部就制定出一套擺爛的遊戲規則再來\n512521\t522877\t辯解說自己沒有違反遊戲規則在開罰的執法也因為地方自治的關係環境部都可以說是地方政府的事讓我們感覺現在環境部是沒有存在感的\n523789\t551843\t別忘了去年環評委員聯署要求修法解決環境部光電無能的困境當升格前夕的環保署也承諾推動修法但至今已經一年了毫無進度修正的草案也沒有預告所以我今天就很想要送環境部四個字這四個字叫做光電無能我光電著一個無能的環境部就是因為環境部在光電的發展上面管理是無能的\n552850\t579869\t所以我要求環境部可不可以一個月內提出具體修法進度或直接要求3個月內要草案也預告不能夠再好像事不關己一樣可以嗎給廖委員報告事實上廖委員所描述的並不是這個能夠精切的描述行政院跨部會之間的合作那廖委員假如覺得說像剛剛提到的那部分應該由環境部來主責我們也非常樂意來這個\n582202\t583863\t我們也覺得說整個案子在進行的也蠻順利的\n605936\t634195\t另外站在行政單位的角度當然來配合好我們今天我想這個委員會開完我想您也該可以了解為什麼所有的委員很關心這件事情希望未來環境部可以積極有所作為一向很積極謝謝部長最後一題好SRF也就是固體的再生燃料原料原理就是將廢棄物燃料化但是最近也是不斷的受到學者環團和地方政府質疑請問SRF是不是假綠呢\n634795\t655412\t我們已經在進行整個SRF的修法的階段以前是從後端的污染管制現在要拉到源頭把SRF的產品的分類那這樣子就會跟國際接軌情況也會改善問這一題就是希望這個部分也可以進速的修法來進行謝謝廖委員謝謝部長謝謝廖偉翔委員\n","txt":"我們請廖偉翔委員進行質詢。主席好,有請我們薛部長。好,請部長。好,廖委員好。部長你好。\n你們的報告認真拜讀喔那裡面有提到現行認定標準所規範應實施環評之規模太陽光電相較於其他能源開發容易且除液後較容易恢復原土地功能對環境之影響較小所以只把濕地納入規範對嗎是是那請問部長你有實際去看過對土地的影響嗎實際去看過哪一個案場\n我並沒有關電廠這一塊並沒有實地去看過對阿那你沒看過怎麼會做出這樣的結論呢這個是行之永年環境部跟以前的環保署好那你看一下是那部長你看一下這個國家地理雜誌拍出來的這個案場你知道是哪裡嗎這個之前好像有報導過在南部某一個對你有沒有去過有沒有了解\n這個沒有去過沒有嘛 對不對沒有了解對不對他是在台南六甲區的廢棄光電廠對他新聞見報之後他們就趕快去拆除了新聞就沒有熱點但是我們事後有請團隊去實地走訪我想請問部長這樣子的土地能不能種植\n當初廢棄設光電廠應該本來就是不適合種植才廢棄設光電廠嗎我覺得您這樣子有點就是這樣子的講法是有點不負責任喔因為這樣案例是很多而且也有很多綠能發電可能違規或是種種因素被取消發電之後廠商倒閉破產沒有餘力去解決廢棄光電板\n所以請問部長因為沒有法規去認定這些光電板是廢棄物還是建築物所以地方政府有時候只敢裁法不敢拆但這也會對環境造成衝擊環境部有沒有打算要協助地方政府來認定或拆除我想全職單位當然在執行面是地方政府啦\n那環境部會來協助假如地方政府有需求當然環境部會來積極我覺得部長這樣聽起來都有點小被動喔聽起來是很被動的喔再看一下一個案場喔你看這個部長你知道這裡是哪裡嗎剛剛我想很多委員可能也有提到這個\n現在光電面積已經到了3500公頃來到了整個七股面積的三成餘溫變成光電田然後氣溫也飆到43.7度請問部長你真的還可以說太陽光電板對環境沒有影響嗎?\n事實上可能委員談到的是某一些這個特別的一個情況啦剛剛我們也談到一電公升的這一塊事實上它的面積不可能全部覆蓋啦部長您看一下這個就是這樣嘛對不對那我想要跟您講的是我們沒有要阻止再生能源的發展我們也很認同再生能源是我們現在國家發展需要的地方可是\n就是你們持續就這個開發行為實施環境影響評估及範圍認定標準收集各方意見有沒有也參考這個七股的前車之鑒一定範圍內的光電板的總量有沒有辦法管制不要讓光電板密度高到對環境有衝擊事實上我們未來修法的方向是對單一的開發案件超過某一定的面積或某一定的這個發電量\n反正基本上你們現在按照目前的法令\n這只有地點在重要失地面積才需要做環評不是嗎以現有的辦法是這樣但是剛剛林委員齁前一位林委員他也特別提到在這個過程當中經濟部能源署也會針對他非失地但是是一般部長我這裡要打斷你喔我知道你會全部都推到經濟部那裡去可是問題是\n現在目前的法例我想重要失地才規範要做環評那我想請問部長我國重要失地面積有多大根據廖文你這邊講的對這邊只有1.1%那我們臺灣本島跟離島的國土面積總共有三萬六千一百三萬等於是六千兩百平方公里喔所以\n我們就來看看到底環境部主管的環評作業對於守護我們環境的能力到底有多大呢用我們我國的重要失地的總計再處理這個這個我國的國土面積結果你們可以做的只有1.1%的環境的管理和環評那另外的98.9%呢就是你剛剛說的經濟部嘛對不對\n但是不只是只有這些重要濕地占比國土陸地面積的1.1%的土地啊才是環…事實上在這個之外還有很多很重要的需要做環評嘛\n說到這邊我想請教這些規定的法令出處都是來自於開發行為應實施環境影響評估細目及範圍認定標準而這個標準的法律依據是環境影響評估法的第5條第二項要求訂定的對不對?給廖阿文報告齁事實上我們的民眾或者說委員很多都認為說\n環評是說開發案當中感覺上好像只要環評一過接下來就就大概好像就沒有沒有這個意思但是我想要跟你講說請教這樣子環境影響評估法的主管機關是誰環評當然是環境部\n對那其實基本上環評的目標也是希望你們可以為台灣為我們國土環境做出貢獻做出主要主導的能力嘛對不對是那我再另外請問開發行為應實施環境影響評估細目及範圍認定標準的制定跟修正需不需要經過立法院三讀\n這個是執法的部分不用嘛對不對所以既然這樣子喔所以看起來針對這個光電的環評業務今天環境部今天不是不管而是刻意不管欸有大開光電後門甚至刻意不作為就推給其他主管單位來管理欸\n因為今天所以你們今天環境部的專案報告才會像是第三頁內容中喔發生了環境部角色錯亂的情形竟然去替經濟部宣傳經濟部在進行環境業務\n像是環境部說經濟部有制定兩個行政辦法一個是設置地面型陽光電設施景觀及生態環境審定原則另一個則是影響漁電共生的太陽光電環境與社會檢核機制\n那明明都是跟環境審定環境檢核有關為什麼環境部要放掉這樣重要的環境業務讓外行的經濟部來把關國家將近99%的陸地面積的環境呢講到這裡當然抱歉部長我想要講到這裡我想要表達的事情當然你會覺得說好像是國家的這個能源發展政策然後大開大門喔\n所以這就讓我們覺得很疑惑那我們環境部從升格到部的話感覺功能好像更喪失了那環境部明明知道經濟部的能源署無力管理早就也被監察院糾正了\n環境部明明知道事業開發單位像是臺堂臺堂他把保安零給給人開發做光電但臺堂自己哪會管理也因此臺堂一樣也被監察院糾正的有太多的案例明明環境部都知道也可以管但偏偏環境部就制定出一套擺爛的遊戲規則再來\n辯解說自己沒有違反遊戲規則在開罰的執法也因為地方自治的關係環境部都可以說是地方政府的事讓我們感覺現在環境部是沒有存在感的\n別忘了去年環評委員聯署要求修法解決環境部光電無能的困境當升格前夕的環保署也承諾推動修法但至今已經一年了毫無進度修正的草案也沒有預告所以我今天就很想要送環境部四個字這四個字叫做光電無能我光電著一個無能的環境部就是因為環境部在光電的發展上面管理是無能的\n所以我要求環境部可不可以一個月內提出具體修法進度或直接要求3個月內要草案也預告不能夠再好像事不關己一樣可以嗎給廖委員報告事實上廖委員所描述的並不是這個能夠精切的描述行政院跨部會之間的合作那廖委員假如覺得說像剛剛提到的那部分應該由環境部來主責我們也非常樂意來這個\n我們也覺得說整個案子在進行的也蠻順利的\n另外站在行政單位的角度當然來配合好我們今天我想這個委員會開完我想您也該可以了解為什麼所有的委員很關心這件事情希望未來環境部可以積極有所作為一向很積極謝謝部長最後一題好SRF也就是固體的再生燃料原料原理就是將廢棄物燃料化但是最近也是不斷的受到學者環團和地方政府質疑請問SRF是不是假綠呢\n我們已經在進行整個SRF的修法的階段以前是從後端的污染管制現在要拉到源頭把SRF的產品的分類那這樣子就會跟國際接軌情況也會改善問這一題就是希望這個部分也可以進速的修法來進行謝謝廖委員謝謝部長謝謝廖偉翔委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:23.035\n我們請廖偉翔委員進行質詢。主席好,有請我們薛部長。好,請部長。好,廖委員好。部長你好。\n\n00:24.266 --> 00:47.179\n你們的報告認真拜讀喔那裡面有提到現行認定標準所規範應實施環評之規模太陽光電相較於其他能源開發容易且除液後較容易恢復原土地功能對環境之影響較小所以只把濕地納入規範對嗎是是那請問部長你有實際去看過對土地的影響嗎實際去看過哪一個案場\n\n00:49.262 --> 01:16.190\n我並沒有關電廠這一塊並沒有實地去看過對阿那你沒看過怎麼會做出這樣的結論呢這個是行之永年環境部跟以前的環保署好那你看一下是那部長你看一下這個國家地理雜誌拍出來的這個案場你知道是哪裡嗎這個之前好像有報導過在南部某一個對你有沒有去過有沒有了解\n\n01:17.783 --> 01:34.300\n這個沒有去過沒有嘛對不對沒有了解對不對他是在台南六甲區的廢棄光電廠對他新聞見報之後他們就趕快去拆除了新聞就沒有熱點但是我們事後有請團隊去實地走訪我想請問部長這樣子的土地能不能種植\n\n01:36.171 --> 01:56.943\n當初廢棄設光電廠應該本來就是不適合種植才廢棄設光電廠嗎我覺得您這樣子有點就是這樣子的講法是有點不負責任喔因為這樣案例是很多而且也有很多綠能發電可能違規或是種種因素被取消發電之後廠商倒閉破產沒有餘力去解決廢棄光電板\n\n01:58.664 --> 02:19.044\n所以請問部長因為沒有法規去認定這些光電板是廢棄物還是建築物所以地方政府有時候只敢裁法不敢拆但這也會對環境造成衝擊環境部有沒有打算要協助地方政府來認定或拆除我想全職單位當然在執行面是地方政府啦\n\n02:19.639 --> 02:39.832\n那環境部會來協助假如地方政府有需求當然環境部會來積極我覺得部長這樣聽起來都有點小被動喔聽起來是很被動的喔再看一下一個案場喔你看這個部長你知道這裡是哪裡嗎剛剛我想很多委員可能也有提到這個\n\n02:41.357 --> 02:45.722\n現在光電面積已經到了3500公頃來到了整個七股面積的三成餘溫變成光電田然後氣溫也飆到43.7度請問部長你真的還可以說太陽光電板對環境沒有影響嗎?\n\n03:02.395 --> 03:27.191\n事實上可能委員談到的是某一些這個特別的一個情況啦剛剛我們也談到一電公升的這一塊事實上它的面積不可能全部覆蓋啦部長您看一下這個就是這樣嘛對不對那我想要跟您講的是我們沒有要阻止再生能源的發展我們也很認同再生能源是我們現在國家發展需要的地方可是\n\n03:28.993 --> 03:54.750\n就是你們持續就這個開發行為實施環境影響評估及範圍認定標準收集各方意見有沒有也參考這個七股的前車之鑒一定範圍內的光電板的總量有沒有辦法管制不要讓光電板密度高到對環境有衝擊事實上我們未來修法的方向是對單一的開發案件超過某一定的面積或某一定的這個發電量\n\n03:56.823 --> 03:58.624\n反正基本上你們現在按照目前的法令\n\n04:13.670 --> 04:33.565\n這只有地點在重要失地面積才需要做環評不是嗎以現有的辦法是這樣但是剛剛林委員齁前一位林委員他也特別提到在這個過程當中經濟部能源署也會針對他非失地但是是一般部長我這裡要打斷你喔我知道你會全部都推到經濟部那裡去可是問題是\n\n04:36.446 --> 05:00.675\n現在目前的法例我想重要失地才規範要做環評那我想請問部長我國重要失地面積有多大根據廖文你這邊講的對這邊只有1.1%那我們臺灣本島跟離島的國土面積總共有三萬六千一百三萬等於是六千兩百平方公里喔所以\n\n05:01.653 --> 05:22.642\n我們就來看看到底環境部主管的環評作業對於守護我們環境的能力到底有多大呢用我們我國的重要失地的總計再處理這個這個我國的國土面積結果你們可以做的只有1.1%的環境的管理和環評那另外的98.9%呢就是你剛剛說的經濟部嘛對不對\n\n05:27.093 --> 05:38.209\n但是不只是只有這些重要濕地占比國土陸地面積的1.1%的土地啊才是環…事實上在這個之外還有很多很重要的需要做環評嘛\n\n05:40.647 --> 06:04.274\n說到這邊我想請教這些規定的法令出處都是來自於開發行為應實施環境影響評估細目及範圍認定標準而這個標準的法律依據是環境影響評估法的第5條第二項要求訂定的對不對?給廖阿文報告齁事實上我們的民眾或者說委員很多都認為說\n\n06:06.447 --> 06:17.616\n環評是說開發案當中感覺上好像只要環評一過接下來就就大概好像就沒有沒有這個意思但是我想要跟你講說請教這樣子環境影響評估法的主管機關是誰環評當然是環境部\n\n06:21.986 --> 06:38.989\n對那其實基本上環評的目標也是希望你們可以為台灣為我們國土環境做出貢獻做出主要主導的能力嘛對不對是那我再另外請問開發行為應實施環境影響評估細目及範圍認定標準的制定跟修正需不需要經過立法院三讀\n\n06:40.668 --> 06:59.058\n這個是執法的部分不用嘛對不對所以既然這樣子喔所以看起來針對這個光電的環評業務今天環境部今天不是不管而是刻意不管欸有大開光電後門甚至刻意不作為就推給其他主管單位來管理欸\n\n07:00.222 --> 07:10.862\n因為今天所以你們今天環境部的專案報告才會像是第三頁內容中喔發生了環境部角色錯亂的情形竟然去替經濟部宣傳經濟部在進行環境業務\n\n07:13.939 --> 07:28.713\n像是環境部說經濟部有制定兩個行政辦法一個是設置地面型陽光電設施景觀及生態環境審定原則另一個則是影響漁電共生的太陽光電環境與社會檢核機制\n\n07:31.499 --> 07:54.941\n那明明都是跟環境審定環境檢核有關為什麼環境部要放掉這樣重要的環境業務讓外行的經濟部來把關國家將近99%的陸地面積的環境呢講到這裡當然抱歉部長我想要講到這裡我想要表達的事情當然你會覺得說好像是國家的這個能源發展政策然後大開大門喔\n\n07:56.178 --> 08:11.116\n所以這就讓我們覺得很疑惑那我們環境部從升格到部的話感覺功能好像更喪失了那環境部明明知道經濟部的能源署無力管理早就也被監察院糾正了\n\n08:12.137 --> 08:29.487\n環境部明明知道事業開發單位像是臺堂臺堂他把保安零給給人開發做光電但臺堂自己哪會管理也因此臺堂一樣也被監察院糾正的有太多的案例明明環境部都知道也可以管但偏偏環境部就制定出一套擺爛的遊戲規則再來\n\n08:32.521 --> 08:42.877\n辯解說自己沒有違反遊戲規則在開罰的執法也因為地方自治的關係環境部都可以說是地方政府的事讓我們感覺現在環境部是沒有存在感的\n\n08:43.789 --> 09:11.843\n別忘了去年環評委員聯署要求修法解決環境部光電無能的困境當升格前夕的環保署也承諾推動修法但至今已經一年了毫無進度修正的草案也沒有預告所以我今天就很想要送環境部四個字這四個字叫做光電無能我光電著一個無能的環境部就是因為環境部在光電的發展上面管理是無能的\n\n09:12.850 --> 09:39.869\n所以我要求環境部可不可以一個月內提出具體修法進度或直接要求3個月內要草案也預告不能夠再好像事不關己一樣可以嗎給廖委員報告事實上廖委員所描述的並不是這個能夠精切的描述行政院跨部會之間的合作那廖委員假如覺得說像剛剛提到的那部分應該由環境部來主責我們也非常樂意來這個\n\n09:42.202 --> 09:43.863\n我們也覺得說整個案子在進行的也蠻順利的\n\n10:05.936 --> 10:34.195\n另外站在行政單位的角度當然來配合好我們今天我想這個委員會開完我想您也該可以了解為什麼所有的委員很關心這件事情希望未來環境部可以積極有所作為一向很積極謝謝部長最後一題好SRF也就是固體的再生燃料原料原理就是將廢棄物燃料化但是最近也是不斷的受到學者環團和地方政府質疑請問SRF是不是假綠呢\n\n10:34.795 --> 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