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00:02:30,059\n金屬中心有我努力催促之下成立這個這個涵蓋組是是好這部分已經有研發的一個專制單位也有這個群聚的一個一個效應我希望說經濟部在產業發展角度能夠支持國機國造漢翔漢翔也是經濟部長投資對不對是所以你要集齊漢翔啊那漢翔一個負責國機國造的重大的業務\n\n7\n00:02:31,482 --> 00:02:31,862\n今天講到水齁,來。\n\n8\n00:02:58,303 --> 00:03:06,085\n這個水利法規定你要有一個水價評議委員會是不是?這個是嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:06,085 --> 00:03:07,466\n是不是?\n\n10\n00:03:07,466 --> 00:03:16,208\n是你再說一次這個只要台水公司有提出來水價調整方案的時候我們這個評議委員會所以您全能是召集人嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:16,208 --> 00:03:17,408\n是那你是負召集人嗎?\n\n12\n00:03:17,408 --> 00:03:18,768\n是這個水情這個變動這個\n\n13\n00:03:21,328 --> 00:03:25,010\n基本上我們是需要來召開那上次召開的話我記得大概是105年\n\n14\n00:03:48,700 --> 00:04:10,528\n二零零四年到現在你開過兩次會議二零零四年你設立到現在只有二零一五年召開兩次會議好這個你也要加入這個功能就是說除了這個水價評議委員會你有重大的水情的問題也可以在這個水這個這個委員會裡面去做討論嘛對不對因為你現在轉波輪轉軋嘛\n\n15\n00:04:12,549 --> 00:04:14,012\n水價當然會影響到水的供應啊對不對\n\n16\n00:04:25,518 --> 00:04:45,415\n水價也會影響到水的供應所以這部分我希望說今天那個名單也是我昨天跟你講跟你反映之後今天早上才把這個水價評議委員會委員的名單今天早上才上網連人家店家評議委員會早就這個常態系統都上網了還是水管系的問題還是那個水質的問題\n\n17\n00:04:46,576 --> 00:04:46,916\n再深水﹖\n\n18\n00:05:10,319 --> 00:05:11,660\n我們有鋼橋,對不對?\n\n19\n00:05:11,660 --> 00:05:32,559\n有楠梓。鋼橋、楠梓也是我在這邊爭取才有鋼橋跟楠梓。現在每天是4.3萬噸,對不對?供應量?這個橋頭的部分是3萬啦,那楠梓的部分最後中期到117年大概是有7萬噸左右。7萬,所以不是我說3.4萬,所以加起來3.4萬這是台積電的需求啦齁?\n\n20\n00:05:38,086 --> 00:05:56,197\n那這個加起來差不多是10萬噸左右。10萬噸,如果未來這個男子園區他不僅可以容納這個3座2奈米,未來1奈米的先進製程也有可能設在男子園區,因為他場區夠大。假設他做這種決策,他第一個考量會不會缺水。\n\n21\n00:05:57,085 --> 00:06:23,422\n所以你現在鋼橋跟這個楠梓如果假設一個最大規模台積電把5座經驗場都設在這個楠梓園區它的水的需求會遠大於目前的供給量所以另外你要去思考除了鋼橋跟這個橋頭之外鋼橋跟這個楠梓之外有沒有可能在附近區域再蓋一個所謂的這個戰勝水場有沒有這個下方案的評估\n\n22\n00:06:24,341 --> 00:06:43,805\n目前包括鳳山的擴大評估,鳳山沒有辦法來,林園也沒辦法來嘛,一定要就近供應啊。鳳山跟林園它有就近廠商也有這個需求嘛。我說附近的區域啦,你說周園啦,或是南馬溪或是嬌頭還有空間嗎?還有翁北、嬌頭、嬌頭跟陸地有可能嗎?你應該評估一下好不好?\n\n23\n00:06:54,924 --> 00:07:23,593\n你要朝前部署,否則這個邱志偉真的他要設廠第二考慮到缺水他就不敢來了這個水的部分我們有一個上位的masterplan事實上我們這個地方感謝委員的指導我們都會朝前來做評估另外再生水廠這個也是我在這邊講多少次才有的原本是台南跟台中嘛,台南跟哪裡?現在進度環比已經通過是哪裡?\n\n24\n00:07:24,895 --> 00:07:27,278\n海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕\n\n25\n00:07:39,505 --> 00:07:59,263\n那未來你這永久性的這個海淡廠你新建的計畫跟時程一定要超前否則你到時候很難供應這個北高雄這個所謂產業發展所需的因為他可以提供這個民生用水也可以提供這個產業用水對不對我們遵照辦理遵照委員的意見辦理加速所以10萬噸當然這個可以解決這個缺水的問題\n\n26\n00:08:04,591 --> 00:08:27,561\n局部啦,目前推動的狀況是嚴重落後的。總統也在看過,我也在看過。水也有,我也有喝。最近也不錯,但是你的速度,建廠的速度太慢。這部分是要有一個推動小組,水利署應該要快一點把北高雄海淡廠趕快把它興建完成。\n\n27\n00:08:28,888 --> 00:08:50,575\n拜託不要這麼多話你還要有個小組來推上來另外啊這個你們海水啊害管率害管率這個是每個縣市都不同高雄市去年是換管的長度是55公里那個對不對總經理總長\n\n28\n00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:16,063\n是。跟委員報告是。這種長度在6度裡面是算前段班還是後段班?其實跟委員報告因為我們每個區處或是區域的一個太管的長度我們也會把那個我們的支援就是說投入的支援要看那一個區域的漏水的狀況管線的漏水狀況\n\n29\n00:09:16,904 --> 00:09:40,270\n像高雄地區它的漏水率是在公司各區處比較起來,它是算比較低的。表現比較好了。不漏水並不代表說管線老舊不會換,不應該換,管線老舊就應該換。不直接跟漏水有直接關係啦,你這樣老舊就有案情上的問題嘛。是,所以我們也會投入一些職研進去。\n\n30\n00:09:41,010 --> 00:09:59,428\n所以我希望說對高雄市啊,高雄市過去有縣市,高雄縣跟高雄市那高雄縣的這個自來水管那時候這個沒有太多經費所以你這個太管的這個比例比較低所以你要加強北高雄的自來水管的這個長度跟汰換的這個速度\n\n31\n00:10:01,531 --> 00:10:11,764\n這樣會不會變成說高雄市、北區、北高雄的不管是產業或者民生的這些管線都能夠符合標準?\n\n32\n00:10:13,716 --> 00:10:38,214\n這感謝委員的指教那北高雄的區域我們公司這邊已經在這一兩年裡面我們也提了一些密集的一個計畫在進行管縣台灣更新這個部分是不是提過一個詳細的計畫這個北高雄你要怎麼汰換然後汰換的這個計畫執程是不是可以給我一份資料這半年這一年啦這個主席再30秒鐘\n\n33\n00:10:40,267 --> 00:11:02,154\n海淡有新技術,國內可以用內澱粉的蛋白可以把海水100%拖延,這是陽明教導的研究另外在國外也有新技術,在加拿大浮動式的波浪能讓海水氮化設備\n\n34\n00:11:05,331 --> 00:11:26,496\n這部分我希望說國內國外都有一個先進的技術可以讓海水淡化能夠更有效益,成本能夠降低。我希望說水利署能夠去研究參酌這個國內這個研究成果還有國外的目前已經有實機的成果去研究一下在台灣能不能這樣做。\n\n35\n00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:47,470\n那在台灣能不能這樣做?你把海水淡化的新技術能夠引進?新分槓給量提升,是不是就好了嗎?這個部分是不是各位把你們初步研究結果是不是可以給我這份資料?沒有問題,相關的資料我們隨時都要更新。三個位好不好?好。不然你們要重視一下,不如?部長?是。好,謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n109\t27761\t邱志偉委員請做詢答好謝謝主席有請王部長我們再請王部長部長長你放心啦據我瞭解陳昌明委員會全力支持經濟部的預算是你放心啦沒問題這個今天股票又上兩萬點對不對\n29568\t43301\t為什麼股票會到2萬點主要是因為這個AI產業或者是這個最近的ETF或者是這個台積電效應或者半導體大廠但是很多傳統產業他的股票並沒有太多的更動\n44574\t72992\t所以很多產業從股市你可以看到這些產業的發展的變化對不對?為啥上兩萬點是集中在特殊產業全職拉上來但是並不是所有產業都拉上來你要注意從股市的榮枯你去看看哪些產業在這個上兩萬點反而它的股價是停滯或者是下降的比如說金屬構建金屬構建這很慘的今年也不好沒年可能也不好\n74264\t95470\t對於這個沒有因為這個景氣上來,然後這個受惠的產業,經濟部要加強協助?是,是,這個我們一直記在心上,是。記在心上有實際作為?有,有,那我們就是分齁,群組包括委員講的這個螺絲螺帽齁,這個也是我們會去大力協助的一個部分。工具機也是一樣啊?沒錯,沒錯,工具機,對。\n98610\t122182\t只要這個還很辛苦的我們包括這個研發的協助還有告訴他哪裡有比較好的商機以及對外的拓銷我們都會大力來協助另外國機國造也是一個重大的政策不管是從產業面或者是國機國造、國建國造不管是從產業或者是從國航角度對不對好這個航空產業已經在這個北高雄已經逐漸成型了對不對\n122842\t150059\t金屬中心有我努力催促之下成立這個這個涵蓋組是是好這部分已經有研發的一個專制單位也有這個群聚的一個一個效應我希望說經濟部在產業發展角度能夠支持國機國造漢翔漢翔也是經濟部長投資對不對是所以你要集齊漢翔啊那漢翔一個負責國機國造的重大的業務\n151482\t151862\t今天講到水齁,來。\n178303\t186085\t這個水利法規定你要有一個水價評議委員會 是不是?這個是嗎?\n186085\t187466\t是不是?\n187466\t196208\t是你再說一次這個只要台水公司有提出來水價調整方案的時候我們這個評議委員會所以您全能是召集人嗎?\n196208\t197408\t是那你是負召集人嗎?\n197408\t198768\t是這個水情這個變動這個\n201328\t205010\t基本上我們是需要來召開那上次召開的話我記得大概是105年\n228700\t250528\t二零零四年到現在你開過兩次會議二零零四年你設立到現在只有二零一五年召開兩次會議好這個你也要加入這個功能就是說除了這個水價評議委員會你有重大的水情的問題也可以在這個水這個這個委員會裡面去做討論嘛對不對因為你現在轉波輪轉軋嘛\n252549\t254012\t水價當然會影響到水的供應啊 對不對\n265518\t285415\t水價也會影響到水的供應所以這部分我希望說今天那個名單也是我昨天跟你講跟你反映之後今天早上才把這個水價評議委員會委員的名單今天早上才上網連人家店家評議委員會早就這個常態系統都上網了還是水管系的問題還是那個水質的問題\n286576\t286916\t再深水﹖\n310319\t311660\t我們有鋼橋,對不對?\n311660\t332559\t有楠梓。鋼橋、楠梓也是我在這邊爭取才有鋼橋跟楠梓。現在每天是4.3萬噸,對不對?供應量?這個橋頭的部分是3萬啦,那楠梓的部分最後中期到117年大概是有7萬噸左右。7萬,所以不是我說3.4萬,所以加起來3.4萬這是台積電的需求啦齁?\n338086\t356197\t那這個加起來差不多是10萬噸左右。 10萬噸,如果未來這個男子園區他不僅可以容納這個3座2奈米,未來1奈米的先進製程也有可能設在男子園區,因為他場區夠大。假設他做這種決策,他第一個考量會不會缺水。\n357085\t383422\t所以你現在鋼橋跟這個楠梓如果假設一個最大規模台積電把5座經驗場都設在這個楠梓園區它的水的需求會遠大於目前的供給量所以另外你要去思考除了鋼橋跟這個橋頭之外鋼橋跟這個楠梓之外有沒有可能在附近區域再蓋一個所謂的這個戰勝水場有沒有這個下方案的評估\n384341\t403805\t目前包括鳳山的擴大評估,鳳山沒有辦法來,林園也沒辦法來嘛,一定要就近供應啊。鳳山跟林園它有就近廠商也有這個需求嘛。我說附近的區域啦,你說周園啦,或是南馬溪或是嬌頭還有空間嗎?還有翁北、嬌頭、嬌頭跟陸地有可能嗎?你應該評估一下好不好?\n414924\t443593\t你要朝前部署,否則這個邱志偉真的他要設廠第二考慮到缺水他就不敢來了這個水的部分我們有一個上位的master plan事實上我們這個地方感謝委員的指導我們都會朝前來做評估另外再生水廠這個也是我在這邊講多少次才有的原本是台南跟台中嘛,台南跟哪裡?現在進度環比已經通過是哪裡?\n444895\t447278\t海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕\n459505\t479263\t那未來你這永久性的這個海淡廠你新建的計畫跟時程一定要超前否則你到時候很難供應這個北高雄這個所謂產業發展所需的因為他可以提供這個民生用水也可以提供這個產業用水對不對我們遵照辦理遵照委員的意見辦理加速所以10萬噸當然這個可以解決這個缺水的問題\n484591\t507561\t局部啦,目前推動的狀況是嚴重落後的。總統也在看過,我也在看過。水也有,我也有喝。最近也不錯,但是你的速度,建廠的速度太慢。這部分是要有一個推動小組,水利署應該要快一點把北高雄海淡廠趕快把它興建完成。\n508888\t530575\t拜託不要這麼多話你還要有個小組來推上來另外啊這個你們海水啊害管率害管率這個是每個縣市都不同高雄市去年是換管的長度是55公里那個對不對總經理總長\n536880\t556063\t是。跟委員報告是。這種長度在6度裡面是算前段班還是後段班?其實跟委員報告因為我們每個區處或是區域的一個太管的長度我們也會把那個我們的支援就是說投入的支援要看那一個區域的漏水的狀況管線的漏水狀況\n556904\t580270\t像高雄地區它的漏水率是在公司各區處比較起來,它是算比較低的。 表現比較好了。 不漏水並不代表說管線老舊不會換,不應該換,管線老舊就應該換。 不直接跟漏水有直接關係啦,你這樣老舊就有案情上的問題嘛。 是,所以我們也會投入一些職研進去。\n581010\t599428\t所以我希望說對高雄市啊,高雄市過去有縣市,高雄縣跟高雄市那高雄縣的這個自來水管那時候這個沒有太多經費所以你這個太管的這個比例比較低所以你要加強北高雄的自來水管的這個長度跟汰換的這個速度\n601531\t611764\t這樣會不會變成說高雄市、北區、北高雄的不管是產業或者民生的這些管線都能夠符合標準?\n613716\t638214\t這感謝委員的指教那北高雄的區域我們公司這邊已經在這一兩年裡面我們也提了一些密集的一個計畫在進行管縣台灣更新這個部分是不是提過一個詳細的計畫這個北高雄你要怎麼汰換然後汰換的這個計畫執程是不是可以給我一份資料這半年這一年啦這個主席再30秒鐘\n640267\t662154\t海淡有新技術,國內可以用內澱粉的蛋白可以把海水100%拖延,這是陽明教導的研究另外在國外也有新技術,在加拿大浮動式的波浪能讓海水氮化設備\n665331\t686496\t這部分我希望說國內國外都有一個先進的技術可以讓海水淡化能夠更有效益,成本能夠降低。我希望說水利署能夠去研究參酌這個國內這個研究成果還有國外的目前已經有實機的成果去研究一下在台灣能不能這樣做。\n688700\t707470\t那在台灣能不能這樣做?你把海水淡化的新技術能夠引進?新分槓給量提升,是不是就好了嗎?這個部分是不是各位把你們初步研究結果是不是可以給我這份資料?沒有問題,相關的資料我們隨時都要更新。三個位好不好?好。不然你們要重視一下,不如?部長?是。好,謝謝。\n","txt":"邱志偉委員請做詢答好謝謝主席有請王部長我們再請王部長部長長你放心啦據我瞭解陳昌明委員會全力支持經濟部的預算是你放心啦沒問題這個今天股票又上兩萬點對不對\n為什麼股票會到2萬點主要是因為這個AI產業或者是這個最近的ETF或者是這個台積電效應或者半導體大廠但是很多傳統產業他的股票並沒有太多的更動\n所以很多產業從股市你可以看到這些產業的發展的變化對不對?為啥上兩萬點是集中在特殊產業全職拉上來但是並不是所有產業都拉上來你要注意從股市的榮枯你去看看哪些產業在這個上兩萬點反而它的股價是停滯或者是下降的比如說金屬構建金屬構建這很慘的今年也不好沒年可能也不好\n對於這個沒有因為這個景氣上來,然後這個受惠的產業,經濟部要加強協助?是,是,這個我們一直記在心上,是。記在心上有實際作為?有,有,那我們就是分齁,群組包括委員講的這個螺絲螺帽齁,這個也是我們會去大力協助的一個部分。工具機也是一樣啊?沒錯,沒錯,工具機,對。\n只要這個還很辛苦的我們包括這個研發的協助還有告訴他哪裡有比較好的商機以及對外的拓銷我們都會大力來協助另外國機國造也是一個重大的政策不管是從產業面或者是國機國造、國建國造不管是從產業或者是從國航角度對不對好這個航空產業已經在這個北高雄已經逐漸成型了對不對\n金屬中心有我努力催促之下成立這個這個涵蓋組是是好這部分已經有研發的一個專制單位也有這個群聚的一個一個效應我希望說經濟部在產業發展角度能夠支持國機國造漢翔漢翔也是經濟部長投資對不對是所以你要集齊漢翔啊那漢翔一個負責國機國造的重大的業務\n今天講到水齁,來。\n這個水利法規定你要有一個水價評議委員會 是不是?這個是嗎?\n是不是?\n是你再說一次這個只要台水公司有提出來水價調整方案的時候我們這個評議委員會所以您全能是召集人嗎?\n是那你是負召集人嗎?\n是這個水情這個變動這個\n基本上我們是需要來召開那上次召開的話我記得大概是105年\n二零零四年到現在你開過兩次會議二零零四年你設立到現在只有二零一五年召開兩次會議好這個你也要加入這個功能就是說除了這個水價評議委員會你有重大的水情的問題也可以在這個水這個這個委員會裡面去做討論嘛對不對因為你現在轉波輪轉軋嘛\n水價當然會影響到水的供應啊 對不對\n水價也會影響到水的供應所以這部分我希望說今天那個名單也是我昨天跟你講跟你反映之後今天早上才把這個水價評議委員會委員的名單今天早上才上網連人家店家評議委員會早就這個常態系統都上網了還是水管系的問題還是那個水質的問題\n再深水﹖\n我們有鋼橋,對不對?\n有楠梓。鋼橋、楠梓也是我在這邊爭取才有鋼橋跟楠梓。現在每天是4.3萬噸,對不對?供應量?這個橋頭的部分是3萬啦,那楠梓的部分最後中期到117年大概是有7萬噸左右。7萬,所以不是我說3.4萬,所以加起來3.4萬這是台積電的需求啦齁?\n那這個加起來差不多是10萬噸左右。 10萬噸,如果未來這個男子園區他不僅可以容納這個3座2奈米,未來1奈米的先進製程也有可能設在男子園區,因為他場區夠大。假設他做這種決策,他第一個考量會不會缺水。\n所以你現在鋼橋跟這個楠梓如果假設一個最大規模台積電把5座經驗場都設在這個楠梓園區它的水的需求會遠大於目前的供給量所以另外你要去思考除了鋼橋跟這個橋頭之外鋼橋跟這個楠梓之外有沒有可能在附近區域再蓋一個所謂的這個戰勝水場有沒有這個下方案的評估\n目前包括鳳山的擴大評估,鳳山沒有辦法來,林園也沒辦法來嘛,一定要就近供應啊。鳳山跟林園它有就近廠商也有這個需求嘛。我說附近的區域啦,你說周園啦,或是南馬溪或是嬌頭還有空間嗎?還有翁北、嬌頭、嬌頭跟陸地有可能嗎?你應該評估一下好不好?\n你要朝前部署,否則這個邱志偉真的他要設廠第二考慮到缺水他就不敢來了這個水的部分我們有一個上位的master plan事實上我們這個地方感謝委員的指導我們都會朝前來做評估另外再生水廠這個也是我在這邊講多少次才有的原本是台南跟台中嘛,台南跟哪裡?現在進度環比已經通過是哪裡?\n海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕\n那未來你這永久性的這個海淡廠你新建的計畫跟時程一定要超前否則你到時候很難供應這個北高雄這個所謂產業發展所需的因為他可以提供這個民生用水也可以提供這個產業用水對不對我們遵照辦理遵照委員的意見辦理加速所以10萬噸當然這個可以解決這個缺水的問題\n局部啦,目前推動的狀況是嚴重落後的。總統也在看過,我也在看過。水也有,我也有喝。最近也不錯,但是你的速度,建廠的速度太慢。這部分是要有一個推動小組,水利署應該要快一點把北高雄海淡廠趕快把它興建完成。\n拜託不要這麼多話你還要有個小組來推上來另外啊這個你們海水啊害管率害管率這個是每個縣市都不同高雄市去年是換管的長度是55公里那個對不對總經理總長\n是。跟委員報告是。這種長度在6度裡面是算前段班還是後段班?其實跟委員報告因為我們每個區處或是區域的一個太管的長度我們也會把那個我們的支援就是說投入的支援要看那一個區域的漏水的狀況管線的漏水狀況\n像高雄地區它的漏水率是在公司各區處比較起來,它是算比較低的。 表現比較好了。 不漏水並不代表說管線老舊不會換,不應該換,管線老舊就應該換。 不直接跟漏水有直接關係啦,你這樣老舊就有案情上的問題嘛。 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plan事實上我們這個地方感謝委員的指導我們都會朝前來做評估另外再生水廠這個也是我在這邊講多少次才有的原本是台南跟台中嘛,台南跟哪裡?現在進度環比已經通過是哪裡?"},{"start":444.895,"end":447.278,"text":"海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕海誕"},{"start":459.505,"end":479.263,"text":"那未來你這永久性的這個海淡廠你新建的計畫跟時程一定要超前否則你到時候很難供應這個北高雄這個所謂產業發展所需的因為他可以提供這個民生用水也可以提供這個產業用水對不對我們遵照辦理遵照委員的意見辦理加速所以10萬噸當然這個可以解決這個缺水的問題"},{"start":484.591,"end":507.561,"text":"局部啦,目前推動的狀況是嚴重落後的。總統也在看過,我也在看過。水也有,我也有喝。最近也不錯,但是你的速度,建廠的速度太慢。這部分是要有一個推動小組,水利署應該要快一點把北高雄海淡廠趕快把它興建完成。"},{"start":508.888,"end":530.575,"text":"拜託不要這麼多話你還要有個小組來推上來另外啊這個你們海水啊害管率害管率這個是每個縣市都不同高雄市去年是換管的長度是55公里那個對不對總經理總長"},{"start":536.88,"end":556.063,"text":"是。跟委員報告是。這種長度在6度裡面是算前段班還是後段班?其實跟委員報告因為我們每個區處或是區域的一個太管的長度我們也會把那個我們的支援就是說投入的支援要看那一個區域的漏水的狀況管線的漏水狀況"},{"start":556.904,"end":580.27,"text":"像高雄地區它的漏水率是在公司各區處比較起來,它是算比較低的。 表現比較好了。 不漏水並不代表說管線老舊不會換,不應該換,管線老舊就應該換。 不直接跟漏水有直接關係啦,你這樣老舊就有案情上的問題嘛。 是,所以我們也會投入一些職研進去。"},{"start":581.01,"end":599.428,"text":"所以我希望說對高雄市啊,高雄市過去有縣市,高雄縣跟高雄市那高雄縣的這個自來水管那時候這個沒有太多經費所以你這個太管的這個比例比較低所以你要加強北高雄的自來水管的這個長度跟汰換的這個速度"},{"start":601.531,"end":611.764,"text":"這樣會不會變成說高雄市、北區、北高雄的不管是產業或者民生的這些管線都能夠符合標準?"},{"start":613.716,"end":638.214,"text":"這感謝委員的指教那北高雄的區域我們公司這邊已經在這一兩年裡面我們也提了一些密集的一個計畫在進行管縣台灣更新這個部分是不是提過一個詳細的計畫這個北高雄你要怎麼汰換然後汰換的這個計畫執程是不是可以給我一份資料這半年這一年啦這個主席再30秒鐘"},{"start":640.267,"end":662.154,"text":"海淡有新技術,國內可以用內澱粉的蛋白可以把海水100%拖延,這是陽明教導的研究另外在國外也有新技術,在加拿大浮動式的波浪能讓海水氮化設備"},{"start":665.331,"end":686.496,"text":"這部分我希望說國內國外都有一個先進的技術可以讓海水淡化能夠更有效益,成本能夠降低。我希望說水利署能夠去研究參酌這個國內這個研究成果還有國外的目前已經有實機的成果去研究一下在台灣能不能這樣做。"},{"start":688.7,"end":707.47,"text":"那在台灣能不能這樣做?你把海水淡化的新技術能夠引進?新分槓給量提升,是不是就好了嗎?這個部分是不是各位把你們初步研究結果是不是可以給我這份資料?沒有問題,相關的資料我們隨時都要更新。三個位好不好?好。不然你們要重視一下,不如?部長?是。好,謝謝。"}]}}}}