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00:01:10,977\n經濟一般大家講兵隊都是打仗啊什麼的其實很重要一個維生系統是很重要的我們的人員電網的安全韌性水資源都是非常重要的就是萬一我們的電廠\n\n4\n00:01:12,919 --> 00:01:14,340\n在兵推裡面確實對這些都會做相關的演練。\n\n5\n00:01:34,269 --> 00:01:35,750\n電網認訊兵推的同仁沒有在現場。\n\n6\n00:01:59,933 --> 00:02:24,009\n水資源我們透過區域的調度跟備援的系統之外包括飲食的這個用電的這個措施我們全國都盤點過了沒有問題打造水都不會缺水的問題不是那個要看情境所以我們在兵推或是各種的情境我們會來加強演練那個文部長啊電價是不是確定要漲的\n\n7\n00:02:30,510 --> 00:02:50,341\n電價審議會確實現在提出來方案是要漲的確定要漲是民生跟工業一起漲是不是相關的細節他們電價審議會會做詳細的討論你可以做得到我們黨團提出來的330度以下的民生用電不漲然後那些工業用電大戶給他漲足可以嗎\n\n8\n00:02:53,031 --> 00:03:15,323\n謝謝委員的意見我們都會轉達給審議委員會去做參考部長現在台電的資本額已經增加到5800億然後以後經濟又給你500億最近又要1000億所以弄不弄已經有6、7千億在你們手上然後你這個老百姓的納稅錢給台電這麼多結果現在又漲電價等於一頭牛剝兩層皮\n\n9\n00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:23,481\n絕對造成CPI物價持續上漲央行總裁在立法院說了他心裡能夠忍受的CPI就是2%長期的結構2%我們奧月份已經3%了CPI已經3%了這個來講電價如果再漲現在交通費率也要漲啊萬物又漲了這些東西是不可不慎啊部長啊\n\n10\n00:03:47,230 --> 00:04:05,697\n很嚴重的事情喔我們就是因為這樣所以台電在過去的兩三年確實是吸收了非常多成本才造成虧損那因為放一年那個燃料成本就增加了3000億所以沒有足爾的去反映電價所以讓台電確實虧損得比較嚴重股市3萬點大家好高興喔\n\n11\n00:04:12,060 --> 00:04:31,645\n可是你注意看長了大部分的電子股阿電子股剛剛好都是用電大戶也是用水大戶我們看下一張碗你看喔石面水庫的水只剩下34.8%嘉義人力水庫因為台積電很容易去嘉義所以產生跟雲林搶水24.4%台南的白鵝水庫18.8%\n\n12\n00:04:39,096 --> 00:04:42,153\n這個看起來都很嚴重捏今天明天今年又下雨下不多\n\n13\n00:04:43,277 --> 00:04:43,677\n每人不能保證啊!\n\n14\n00:05:11,124 --> 00:05:24,497\n我們企業的水車載水的現象不會發生敢不敢這樣保證上上一次就因為沒水啊企業為了用水啊自己派車去載水啊那個慘況啊這個\n\n15\n00:05:26,659 --> 00:05:27,620\n我告訴部長還有各位\n\n16\n00:05:42,725 --> 00:06:03,575\n比如說國際的一些的用電大戶啊來台灣跟用水大戶用電跟用水是一樣的比如說InternationalDataCenterIDC啊像Google啦什麼之類的計算中心放在台灣哇很好啊大家很好結果你發現他們是看上台灣的低價的電台灣低價的水請問水價要不要漲\n\n17\n00:06:08,455 --> 00:06:34,485\n水價的部分目前還沒有規劃所以不漲水價不漲目前還沒有規劃市場電價目前水價還是超便宜啊我們的水價幾乎也是世界最便宜的電價幾乎也是最便宜的你就發現到這些便宜的都是用人民的納稅人來補貼然後水公司一直了結台電一直虧本變這個樣子啊所以我們的主張就是民生用電民生用水不能漲\n\n18\n00:06:36,798 --> 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03:15.323\n謝謝委員的意見我們都會轉達給審議委員會去做參考部長現在台電的資本額已經增加到5800億然後以後經濟又給你500億最近又要1000億所以弄不弄已經有6、7千億在你們手上然後你這個老百姓的納稅錢給台電這麼多結果現在又漲電價等於一頭牛剝兩層皮\n\n03:20.640 --> 03:23.481\n絕對造成CPI物價持續上漲央行總裁在立法院說了他心裡能夠忍受的CPI就是2%長期的結構2%我們奧月份已經3%了CPI已經3%了這個來講電價如果再漲現在交通費率也要漲啊萬物又漲了這些東西是不可不慎啊部長啊\n\n03:47.230 --> 04:05.697\n很嚴重的事情喔我們就是因為這樣所以台電在過去的兩三年確實是吸收了非常多成本才造成虧損那因為放一年那個燃料成本就增加了3000億所以沒有足爾的去反映電價所以讓台電確實虧損得比較嚴重股市3萬點大家好高興喔\n\n04:12.060 --> 04:31.645\n可是你注意看長了大部分的電子股阿電子股剛剛好都是用電大戶也是用水大戶我們看下一張碗你看喔石面水庫的水只剩下34.8%嘉義人力水庫因為台積電很容易去嘉義所以產生跟雲林搶水24.4%台南的白鵝水庫18.8%\n\n04:39.096 --> 04:42.153\n這個看起來都很嚴重捏今天明天今年又下雨下不多\n\n04:43.277 --> 04:43.677\n每人不能保證啊!\n\n05:11.124 --> 05:24.497\n我們企業的水車載水的現象不會發生敢不敢這樣保證上上一次就因為沒水啊企業為了用水啊自己派車去載水啊那個慘況啊這個\n\n05:26.659 --> 05:27.620\n我告訴部長還有各位\n\n05:42.725 --> 06:03.575\n比如說國際的一些的用電大戶啊來台灣跟用水大戶用電跟用水是一樣的比如說InternationalDataCenterIDC啊像Google啦什麼之類的計算中心放在台灣哇很好啊大家很好結果你發現他們是看上台灣的低價的電台灣低價的水請問水價要不要漲\n\n06:08.455 --> 06:34.485\n水價的部分目前還沒有規劃所以不漲水價不漲目前還沒有規劃市場電價目前水價還是超便宜啊我們的水價幾乎也是世界最便宜的電價幾乎也是最便宜的你就發現到這些便宜的都是用人民的納稅人來補貼然後水公司一直了結台電一直虧本變這個樣子啊所以我們的主張就是民生用電民生用水不能漲\n\n06:36.798 --> 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