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00:02:09,010\n沒有但我們也會尊重各個單位對這個問題的相關評估的意見所以我嚴重懷疑這是因為在這一次大家外界針對蔡總統為什麼這8年總統都快要做完了但是他從來沒有登上太平島現在大概你們想出這兩點的理由那當然這意思就是說現在的timing不對可是問題是總統蔡總統他做總統不是\n\n7\n00:02:12,492 --> 00:02:12,632\n永遠沒有\n\n8\n00:02:32,273 --> 00:02:54,820\n跟委員說明一下就對於太平島相關的主權跟海洋權益的捍衛我們有專案的機制這是一個部分那委員特別提到的是總統的登島的問題那這是兩件事在捍衛主權跟海洋權益的部分我們這幾年做得非常非常的多剛剛也跟各位委員有說明到一個是島上的武器裝備的精進還有設施的改善\n\n9\n00:02:55,140 --> 00:03:18,486\n但是我們三軍統帥有沒有登上太平島這當然是有一個非常非常這個具體而且崇高的一個象徵宣誓的就尊重委員的看法但國安單位還是有國安單位的評估我想蔡總統大概是繼陳水扁跟馬英九總統之後唯一在他任內不願意去踏上太平島的我們的國家元首\n\n10\n00:03:18,837 --> 00:03:19,637\n蔡總統不是上任8個月好嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:57,680\n八年來那個南海的情勢都是如此嗎反正你們要去找理由什麼理由都可以找好那另外呢最近國安局可能也是外界特別關注的就是有關於封禁案件的問題那當然你們這個國安局特警中心的少將就是當街去擁吻這個高階軍官那現在呢已經被受處分了\n\n12\n00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:14,812\n可是事實上是從現在才開始的嗎?也就是說這個風紀問題比如說2020年的10月份也曾經發生包含這個什麼我們的國安情報人員有性騷擾啦霸凌的事件啦泄密的事件2018年也有這個\n\n13\n00:04:18,695 --> 00:04:18,815\n王鴻薇議員\n\n14\n00:04:42,910 --> 00:04:55,310\n特勤中心或者是我們這些相關人員在風氣的要求上我們到底有沒有因為過去發生的這些事件我們有沒有些什麼檢討我們有沒有什麼告誡\n\n15\n00:04:58,234 --> 00:05:18,346\n怎麼會一次又一次過幾年又發生同樣的又發生類似的事件然後其實這個關節也都還蠻高的所以我想請問我們國安局當然我知道局長的這個上任時間不是很長可是問題是這個整個政府的施政是延續的啊所以為什麼我們這個風氣這樣敗壞\n\n16\n00:05:21,219 --> 00:05:46,856\n對謝委員提到這個很重要的問題那我們一直有在注意我們局內的這種性騷或性品的一個事件那這些案例來講在我到國安局一年多的時間來講只要有發生類似的性騷的問題的話我們一定是依法嚴查跟嚴辦跟委員說明一下因為假如事件當中有所謂的被害者的話他在5年之內都可以提出相關的法律告訴所以我們在整個處理案件過程當中一定都會依法\n\n17\n00:05:47,716 --> 00:06:13,735\n問題是你看有些被害者我就說以這次這當街去永穩的高階女軍官她不是被害者爆料她是這個也是外界來爆料而且被人家拍的這個清清楚楚所以被害者沒有爆料事實上我還擔心這是不是已經成為你們的文化之一也就是說被害者可能身處期間還不認為他是被害者是不是\n\n18\n00:06:14,534 --> 00:06:29,204\n沒有我想每個個案都有不同的狀況那委員剛剛所列出來的風氣的案件老實講有些案件也並沒有像媒體報導的那個狀況所以一切都要依照相關的法律程序什麼叫做沒有媒體報導的狀況這個都被人家拍得清清楚楚\n\n19\n00:06:29,704 --> 00:06:54,290\n我剛不是講委員講的那個個案我說您剛剛所列出來的有很多的案子有些案子它並不是向媒體報導的狀況那一定要經過的那不是媒體報導的狀況你們就要再說明啊對對對我另外有時間我覺得第一個就是說這種桃花的這種風紀案件太多另外一個就是呢也是在3月1號也是最近就是我們的這個憲兵對不起我們今天是\n\n20\n00:06:55,530 --> 00:07:03,205\n我們國防部有限制部在對限制部不好意思時間暫停我們指揮官\n\n21\n00:07:09,104 --> 00:07:23,148\n來這個也是讓我們覺得很不可思議而且是在總統官邸裡面這個出現舉槍制槍不是在總統官邸裡面是在那個總統府周邊的警衛區管制區那一樣啊他就是護衛總統府嘛對不對對是這沒錯\n\n22\n00:07:26,243 --> 00:07:50,142\n而且這個過去113年過去也發生過類似事件所以我想請問一下我剛講一個性騷霸凌或者是桃花不輪等等之類另外一方面就是我們的這個國安人員也好或者我們的憲兵也好在整個的他的心理輔導以及元首維安的部分我們要怎麼樣加強\n\n23\n00:07:51,403 --> 00:08:07,493\n因為我們看到這個問題的時候也是覺得年紀輕輕當然一定是有他這個可能他在這個人生過不了的坎雖然是很令人遺憾但是另外一方面也凸顯了我們維安上的一個大漏洞\n\n24\n00:08:08,576 --> 00:08:31,295\n對,就每個個案來講我們都高度的重視那從個案裡面我們要做我們制度性比較全面性的一個改革那包括到對我們情緣心緒的一個輔導卸蛋的一個管理以及相關的勤務執行的相關的工作量有沒有過多都會做一個妥善的一個規劃跟處理細節部分我請指揮官對指揮官簡單的講一下這位憲兵他最主要的問題是什麼\n\n25\n00:08:32,376 --> 00:08:57,093\n向委員報告我們針對他的家庭財務健康情務心理各面向的分析都沒有相關的噪音發生那我們針對這個部分也強化我們所有情員在心理輔導部分包括量化表的檢查包括心腹個案包括專家講這個講演提升我們心腹的智能使我們冠名弟兄對這個心理節奏心理能夠促進他健康的心理的建設\n\n26\n00:08:58,013 --> 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