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00:00:35,369\n總秘書長你好吳委員好我想說本來是有準備了一些憲法上面一些問題要請教但是從早上到現在其實已經非常多委員有質詢過了那我想說我大概也知道你那邊你的意思那我想說我想穿插一個東西就是\n\n3\n00:00:36,770 --> 00:00:47,006\n因為從早上的謝鴻介委員還有剛剛的傅坤祺總召他都一直提一個東西就是立法院的立法院裡面有一些\n\n4\n00:00:48,146 --> 00:00:48,166\n吳宗憲議員\n\n5\n00:01:18,619 --> 00:01:31,631\n這個東西已經不是一個一個一個單獨的個案他是一個大家都有意見的東西包括到今天這兩個執行台當時的處長跟我說這兩個執行台弄好要三個月\n\n6\n00:01:32,714 --> 00:01:46,519\n那我也聽不下去阿我想說秘書長當時你也在場以及我記得我來這邊當主席的第一天處長來這邊他也是做這樣的說明說這個東西要幾個月搬這兩個台子要幾個月\n\n7\n00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:48,520\n吳宗憲議員\n\n8\n00:02:08,661 --> 00:02:10,043\n如果你們不方便查可以交給我來查\n\n9\n00:02:24,884 --> 00:02:47,163\n我其實我把當初的幫我一起查素貪的團隊我已經拉了很多人過來我當時的目的只是想說做一個比較專業的問政我可以把就是說我們在瞭解一些事情的時候在調查一些事情的時候對行政院的一些單位我們想要去瞭解所以我把一些好手都帶過來了\n\n10\n00:02:48,544 --> 00:02:56,637\n那如果說有這個必要我辦公室絕對全力支援秘書長我們來當做一個案子嘛我就\n\n11\n00:02:58,632 --> 00:03:27,711\n把自己當作以前的那個個性我來查嘛我來幫你看資料有問題我們就把吳宗憲給檢方辦啊我們去告發啊報告委員謝謝你我會請我們副秘書長去你辦公室請教我會請就專責啦我會為我們這一個會期數我會請張副秘書長去跟他採購有沒有問題驗收有沒有問題我想我們以前辦政府採購法都是這樣辦嘛我了解因為我知道委員\n\n12\n00:03:28,191 --> 00:03:52,900\n那今天又不是一個委員問題是我問一堆委員跟我講說這個怎麼是這樣玩那我會想嘛就像早上謝鴻介委員說的你今天你一直說你去找各局處各部會有什麼問題結果到最後最大的問題在我們這裡我想說這個誰都看不下去那這些人是公務員耶違反他們是犯的是貪污罪條例或政府採購法該辦就辦\n\n13\n00:03:54,941 --> 00:03:55,181\n吳副秘書長\n\n14\n00:04:12,975 --> 00:04:39,856\n那接下來我想請教秘書長就是剛剛我們其實有從早上到現在一直討論很多東西嘛就是有關我們不要再談很多其他的部分我們就談一個到底這個什麼集問集答啦同問同答到底是來做報告還是來接受質詢我想請教一個法律上面一個很簡單的邏輯就是我們不管說違憲或違法那在我國的法制上面的概念是不是\n\n15\n00:04:40,757 --> 00:04:53,064\n要違反明文禁止或依據法律條文解釋禁止或者是說法律有告訴你你應該依循怎麼做而你沒有做那個才叫違憲或違法\n\n16\n00:04:54,421 --> 00:04:55,362\n詢問及答案方式\n\n17\n00:05:14,471 --> 00:05:25,560\n各位委員在審查會或在院會裡面自己選擇怎麼考量就沒有涉及到是不是違憲那違憲不是我們自己提的這是一個邏輯上的問題所以我剛剛講的是邏輯上的問題就是說\n\n18\n00:05:30,365 --> 00:05:47,363\n違憲或違法一定是第一違反法律或憲法明文規定第二違反法律或憲法從條文文字上去解釋的規定第三就是條文或憲法它有告訴你怎麼做而你不這麼做這才是違憲或違法還有沒有第四種\n\n19\n00:05:49,305 --> 00:06:14,732\n應該沒有嘛對不對所以說我們這個邏輯嘛那我請教一下不能齊問齊答不能同問同答這個有規定不行嗎因為我對於法律的理解是我們法律沒有規定不行或我們法律沒有強制你要這麼做的時候其實我們是一個自由的國家我們怎麼做應該沒有違法或違憲的問題吧\n\n20\n00:06:18,194 --> 00:06:31,546\n這一個過程裡面因為有這一個專案報告需要我來報告所以我才會跟各位報告15條之四裡面當時的國民黨因為我們現在憲法生修條就寫前面一段\n\n21\n00:06:33,828 --> 00:06:35,768\n中華民國總統至立法院進行國情報告及詢答模式之建議\n\n22\n00:06:50,558 --> 00:07:14,629\n因為草擬的是呂協章委員他本身是國民大會代表來的所以他寫的是用總合答戶所以就有一個基本的一個設計啦那是現行法所以現行法目前規定是總合答戶那你要改成這樣那當然由審查會怎麼各位委員自己去審酌然後再提吧那這有沒有危險那當然那是謝謝民進黨\n\n23\n00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:41,837\n有一個人就是我們當事同仁馬上傳一個訊息給我說他的標題是這樣下秘書周恩來秘書長打臉藍白委員這是這樣嗎我從頭我剛坐在這裡我從頭聽到尾我真的聽不出來是哪裡有打臉這個標怎麼下成這樣我覺得這跟事實不符啦明顯有謬誤不是他聽錯就是他不想聽對\n\n24\n00:07:43,217 --> 00:07:43,678\n周恩來秘書長打臉藍白委員\n\n25\n00:07:59,485 --> 00:08:13,911\n我要跟委員報告這一個書面包很清楚看第5頁第5頁就很清楚這一個狀況我寫在那邊就代表我來報告一定要對這個我自己的書面包負責\n\n26\n00:08:15,772 --> 00:08:32,726\n我想說蠻謝謝秘書長我對你也非常的尊敬不管是前輩或是我來這裡其實我來這裡當選上召委其實我從那一天開始我每天都在K你的書所以真的很蠻尊敬你\n\n27\n00:08:33,346 --> 00:08:56,933\n最後我想說剛剛其他委員問過的問題我想我就不再重複了那我想說跟您提醒一個就是這國會助理這個法制化的部分因為其實外面在我以前還沒有還沒有進來立法院的時候我常聽到很多人在講說那個助理作威作福啦便當助理一大堆啦就是有非常多的亂象\n\n28\n00:08:58,213 --> 00:09:21,312\n這些亂象不管是事實或只是謠言其實對我們立法院多多少少都會有一點傷害那所以我想請教一下對於這個國會助理法制化這個東西目前狀況是怎麼樣其實現在國會助理法制化我現在已經理清了法制化的概念了因為我們現在的現在從82年開始那時候的秘書長是謝聖夫秘書長他還當過法官\n\n29\n00:09:27,677 --> 00:09:27,697\n吳宗憲\n\n30\n00:09:47,222 --> 00:10:00,372\n助理這一塊我們的法規裡面是有法規有規定各位可以看到立法院主持法裡面都有一些規範啦那這個你說法治化是由但是那一切是變成由固執負責助理\n\n31\n00:10:02,613 --> 00:10:22,987\n連署現在我大概我一來我一把我這個委員手中也看了他也在修了包括他們的福利都有但是任用上因為剛才委員的提案裡面有寫到任用或是什麼因為目前是由僱主來擔任就是委員自己當僱主\n\n32\n00:10:24,628 --> 00:10:38,597\n這個是不是要重新再演繹所以我才跟委員報告說由我們自己在法治局臨時處在整個整體來看到底的一個情況是這樣那這部分就麻煩秘書長我們一定要助理其實很多人跟我說\n\n33\n00:10:41,843 --> 00:11:04,899\n委員的強跟不強不是委員本身是助理啊所以真的核心是在助理他們的作為其實也在跟著我們一起在改變改善這個國家所以我們一定要注意而且我們很重視他們的不管福利啦他的考核啊或是一些我們都還是要盡量幫他注意最好是有一個明確的規範最後問一個很輕鬆的問題\n\n34\n00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:07,981\n我從考試委員卸任已經3年半了\n\n35\n00:11:32,142 --> 00:11:32,162\n吳宗憲\n\n36\n00:11:52,183 --> 00:11:52,203\n吳宗憲\n\n37\n00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:26,187\n我們從旁邊來看他對自己非常守他自己的一個他可能外界對以前他所說的他完全是沒有所以他比外面所說的連酒他都不沾啦而且他非常守時那時間上他會很在乎的守時各方面他是都非常積極的扮演他國會議長的角色\n\n38\n00:12:26,747 --> 00:12:27,468\n吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n510\t5358\t吳宗憲委員質詢好 謝謝那我們請周秘書長好 有請周秘書長\n11194\t35369\t總秘書長你好吳委員好我想說本來是有準備了一些憲法上面一些問題要請教但是從早上到現在其實已經非常多委員有質詢過了那我想說我大概也知道你那邊你的意思那我想說我想穿插一個東西就是\n36770\t47006\t因為從早上的謝鴻介委員還有剛剛的傅坤祺總召他都一直提一個東西就是立法院的 立法院裡面有一些\n48146\t48166\t吳宗憲議員\n78619\t91631\t這個東西已經不是一個一個一個單獨的個案他是一個大家都有意見的東西包括到今天這兩個執行台當時的處長跟我說這兩個執行台弄好要三個月\n92714\t106519\t那我也聽不下去阿 我想說秘書長當時你也在場以及我記得我來這邊當主席的第一天處長來這邊他也是做這樣的說明說這個東西要幾個月搬這兩個台子要幾個月\n108500\t108520\t吳宗憲議員\n128661\t130043\t如果你們不方便查 可以交給我來查\n144884\t167163\t我其實我把當初的幫我一起查素貪的團隊我已經拉了很多人過來我當時的目的只是想說做一個比較專業的問政我可以把就是說我們在瞭解一些事情的時候在調查一些事情的時候對行政院的一些單位我們想要去瞭解所以我把一些好手都帶過來了\n168544\t176637\t那如果說有這個必要我辦公室絕對全力支援秘書長我們來當做一個案子嘛我就\n178632\t207711\t把自己當作以前的那個個性我來查嘛我來幫你看資料有問題我們就把吳宗憲給檢方辦啊我們去告發啊報告委員謝謝你我會請我們副秘書長去你辦公室請教我會請就專責啦我會為我們這一個會期數我會請張副秘書長去跟他採購有沒有問題驗收有沒有問題我想我們以前辦政府採購法都是這樣辦嘛我了解因為我知道委員\n208191\t232900\t那今天又不是一個委員問題是我問一堆委員跟我講說這個怎麼是這樣玩那我會想嘛就像早上謝鴻介委員說的你今天你一直說你去找各局處各部會有什麼問題結果到最後最大的問題在我們這裡我想說這個誰都看不下去那這些人是公務員耶違反他們是犯的是貪污罪條例或政府採購法該辦就辦\n234941\t235181\t吳副秘書長\n252975\t279856\t那接下來我想請教秘書長就是剛剛我們其實有從早上到現在一直討論很多東西嘛就是有關我們不要再談很多其他的部分我們就談一個到底這個什麼集問集答啦同問同答到底是來做報告還是來接受質詢我想請教一個法律上面一個很簡單的邏輯就是我們不管說違憲或違法那在我國的法制上面的概念是不是\n280757\t293064\t要違反明文禁止或依據法律條文解釋禁止或者是說法律有告訴你你應該依循怎麼做而你沒有做那個才叫違憲或違法\n294421\t295362\t詢問及答案方式\n314471\t325560\t各位委員在審查會或在院會裡面自己選擇怎麼考量就沒有涉及到是不是違憲那違憲不是我們自己提的這是一個邏輯上的問題所以我剛剛講的是邏輯上的問題就是說\n330365\t347363\t違憲或違法一定是第一違反法律或憲法明文規定第二違反法律或憲法從條文文字上去解釋的規定第三就是條文或憲法它有告訴你怎麼做而你不這麼做這才是違憲或違法還有沒有第四種\n349305\t374732\t應該沒有嘛 對不對所以說我們這個邏輯嘛那我請教一下不能齊問齊答不能同問同答這個有規定不行嗎因為我對於法律的理解是我們法律沒有規定不行或我們法律沒有強制你要這麼做的時候其實我們是一個自由的國家我們怎麼做應該沒有違法或違憲的問題吧\n378194\t391546\t這一個過程裡面因為有這一個專案報告需要我來報告所以我才會跟各位報告15條之四裡面當時的國民黨因為我們現在憲法生修條就寫前面一段\n393828\t395768\t中華民國總統至立法院進行國情報告及詢答模式之建議\n410558\t434629\t因為草擬的是呂協章委員他本身是國民大會代表來的所以他寫的是用總合答戶所以就有一個基本的一個設計啦那是現行法所以現行法目前規定是總合答戶那你要改成這樣那當然由審查會怎麼各位委員自己去審酌然後再提吧那這有沒有危險那當然那是謝謝民進黨\n436770\t461837\t有一個人就是我們當事同仁馬上傳一個訊息給我說他的標題是這樣下秘書 周恩來秘書長打臉藍白委員這是這樣嗎我從頭我剛坐在這裡我從頭聽到尾我真的聽不出來是哪裡有打臉這個標怎麼下成這樣我覺得這跟事實不符啦明顯有謬誤不是他聽錯就是他不想聽對\n463217\t463678\t周恩來秘書長打臉藍白委員\n479485\t493911\t我要跟委員報告這一個書面包很清楚看第5頁第5頁就很清楚這一個狀況我寫在那邊就代表我來報告一定要對這個我自己的書面包負責\n495772\t512726\t我想說蠻謝謝秘書長我對你也非常的尊敬不管是前輩或是我來這裡其實我來這裡當選上召委其實我從那一天開始我每天都在K你的書所以真的很蠻尊敬你\n513346\t536933\t最後我想說剛剛其他委員問過的問題我想我就不再重複了那我想說跟您提醒一個就是這國會助理這個法制化的部分因為其實外面在我以前還沒有還沒有進來立法院的時候我常聽到很多人在講說那個助理作威作福啦便當助理一大堆啦就是有非常多的亂象\n538213\t561312\t這些亂象不管是事實或只是謠言其實對我們立法院多多少少都會有一點傷害那所以我想請教一下對於這個國會助理法制化這個東西目前狀況是怎麼樣其實現在國會助理法制化我現在已經理清了法制化的概念了因為我們現在的現在從82年開始那時候的秘書長是謝聖夫秘書長他還當過法官\n567677\t567697\t吳宗憲\n587222\t600372\t助理這一塊我們的法規裡面是有法規有規定各位可以看到立法院主持法裡面都有一些規範啦那這個你說法治化是由但是那一切是變成由固執負責助理\n602613\t622987\t連署 現在我大概 我一來我一把 我這個委員手中也看了他也在修了 包括他們的福利都有但是任用上 因為剛才委員的提案裡面有寫到任用或是什麼 因為目前是由僱主來擔任 就是委員自己當僱主\n624628\t638597\t這個是不是要重新再演繹所以我才跟委員報告說由我們自己在法治局臨時處在整個整體來看到底的一個情況是這樣那這部分就麻煩秘書長我們一定要助理其實很多人跟我說\n641843\t664899\t委員的強跟不強不是委員本身是助理啊所以真的核心是在助理他們的作為其實也在跟著我們一起在改變改善這個國家所以我們一定要注意而且我們很重視他們的不管福利啦他的考核啊或是一些我們都還是要盡量幫他注意最好是有一個明確的規範最後問一個很輕鬆的問題\n666920\t667981\t我從考試委員卸任已經3年半了\n692142\t692162\t吳宗憲\n712183\t712203\t吳宗憲\n724600\t746187\t我們從旁邊來看他對自己非常守他自己的一個他可能外界對以前他所說的他完全是沒有所以他比外面所說的連酒他都不沾啦而且他非常守時那時間上他會很在乎的守時各方面他是都非常積極的扮演他國會議長的角色\n746747\t747468\t吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲\n","txt":"吳宗憲委員質詢好 謝謝那我們請周秘書長好 有請周秘書長\n總秘書長你好吳委員好我想說本來是有準備了一些憲法上面一些問題要請教但是從早上到現在其實已經非常多委員有質詢過了那我想說我大概也知道你那邊你的意思那我想說我想穿插一個東西就是\n因為從早上的謝鴻介委員還有剛剛的傅坤祺總召他都一直提一個東西就是立法院的 立法院裡面有一些\n吳宗憲議員\n這個東西已經不是一個一個一個單獨的個案他是一個大家都有意見的東西包括到今天這兩個執行台當時的處長跟我說這兩個執行台弄好要三個月\n那我也聽不下去阿 我想說秘書長當時你也在場以及我記得我來這邊當主席的第一天處長來這邊他也是做這樣的說明說這個東西要幾個月搬這兩個台子要幾個月\n吳宗憲議員\n如果你們不方便查 可以交給我來查\n我其實我把當初的幫我一起查素貪的團隊我已經拉了很多人過來我當時的目的只是想說做一個比較專業的問政我可以把就是說我們在瞭解一些事情的時候在調查一些事情的時候對行政院的一些單位我們想要去瞭解所以我把一些好手都帶過來了\n那如果說有這個必要我辦公室絕對全力支援秘書長我們來當做一個案子嘛我就\n把自己當作以前的那個個性我來查嘛我來幫你看資料有問題我們就把吳宗憲給檢方辦啊我們去告發啊報告委員謝謝你我會請我們副秘書長去你辦公室請教我會請就專責啦我會為我們這一個會期數我會請張副秘書長去跟他採購有沒有問題驗收有沒有問題我想我們以前辦政府採購法都是這樣辦嘛我了解因為我知道委員\n那今天又不是一個委員問題是我問一堆委員跟我講說這個怎麼是這樣玩那我會想嘛就像早上謝鴻介委員說的你今天你一直說你去找各局處各部會有什麼問題結果到最後最大的問題在我們這裡我想說這個誰都看不下去那這些人是公務員耶違反他們是犯的是貪污罪條例或政府採購法該辦就辦\n吳副秘書長\n那接下來我想請教秘書長就是剛剛我們其實有從早上到現在一直討論很多東西嘛就是有關我們不要再談很多其他的部分我們就談一個到底這個什麼集問集答啦同問同答到底是來做報告還是來接受質詢我想請教一個法律上面一個很簡單的邏輯就是我們不管說違憲或違法那在我國的法制上面的概念是不是\n要違反明文禁止或依據法律條文解釋禁止或者是說法律有告訴你你應該依循怎麼做而你沒有做那個才叫違憲或違法\n詢問及答案方式\n各位委員在審查會或在院會裡面自己選擇怎麼考量就沒有涉及到是不是違憲那違憲不是我們自己提的這是一個邏輯上的問題所以我剛剛講的是邏輯上的問題就是說\n違憲或違法一定是第一違反法律或憲法明文規定第二違反法律或憲法從條文文字上去解釋的規定第三就是條文或憲法它有告訴你怎麼做而你不這麼做這才是違憲或違法還有沒有第四種\n應該沒有嘛 對不對所以說我們這個邏輯嘛那我請教一下不能齊問齊答不能同問同答這個有規定不行嗎因為我對於法律的理解是我們法律沒有規定不行或我們法律沒有強制你要這麼做的時候其實我們是一個自由的國家我們怎麼做應該沒有違法或違憲的問題吧\n這一個過程裡面因為有這一個專案報告需要我來報告所以我才會跟各位報告15條之四裡面當時的國民黨因為我們現在憲法生修條就寫前面一段\n中華民國總統至立法院進行國情報告及詢答模式之建議\n因為草擬的是呂協章委員他本身是國民大會代表來的所以他寫的是用總合答戶所以就有一個基本的一個設計啦那是現行法所以現行法目前規定是總合答戶那你要改成這樣那當然由審查會怎麼各位委員自己去審酌然後再提吧那這有沒有危險那當然那是謝謝民進黨\n有一個人就是我們當事同仁馬上傳一個訊息給我說他的標題是這樣下秘書 周恩來秘書長打臉藍白委員這是這樣嗎我從頭我剛坐在這裡我從頭聽到尾我真的聽不出來是哪裡有打臉這個標怎麼下成這樣我覺得這跟事實不符啦明顯有謬誤不是他聽錯就是他不想聽對\n周恩來秘書長打臉藍白委員\n我要跟委員報告這一個書面包很清楚看第5頁第5頁就很清楚這一個狀況我寫在那邊就代表我來報告一定要對這個我自己的書面包負責\n我想說蠻謝謝秘書長我對你也非常的尊敬不管是前輩或是我來這裡其實我來這裡當選上召委其實我從那一天開始我每天都在K你的書所以真的很蠻尊敬你\n最後我想說剛剛其他委員問過的問題我想我就不再重複了那我想說跟您提醒一個就是這國會助理這個法制化的部分因為其實外面在我以前還沒有還沒有進來立法院的時候我常聽到很多人在講說那個助理作威作福啦便當助理一大堆啦就是有非常多的亂象\n這些亂象不管是事實或只是謠言其實對我們立法院多多少少都會有一點傷害那所以我想請教一下對於這個國會助理法制化這個東西目前狀況是怎麼樣其實現在國會助理法制化我現在已經理清了法制化的概念了因為我們現在的現在從82年開始那時候的秘書長是謝聖夫秘書長他還當過法官\n吳宗憲\n助理這一塊我們的法規裡面是有法規有規定各位可以看到立法院主持法裡面都有一些規範啦那這個你說法治化是由但是那一切是變成由固執負責助理\n連署 現在我大概 我一來我一把 我這個委員手中也看了他也在修了 包括他們的福利都有但是任用上 因為剛才委員的提案裡面有寫到任用或是什麼 因為目前是由僱主來擔任 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