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01:07.679\n我剛剛看到你們的這個報告從113學年度配置400往後每學年要遞增400所以在116學年度每年可以禁用的人可以達到1600人這樣子的一個\n\n01:24.517 --> 01:51.670\n配置第一個是問題第二個那未來到了各級的這個學校裡面的特殊學生的一個分配數又是更少之又少那到底有沒有全面的去盤點我們以目前甚至要預估5年後甚至我們希望可以怎麼讓這個整個特效學生的一個助理人員的一個禁用跟配置是能夠達到\n\n01:53.131 --> 01:53.171\n主席\n\n02:23.811 --> 02:24.772\n每年400個設置月薪制的教學\n\n02:51.823 --> 03:19.929\n那我們的月薪制的月薪是落點在哪裡?對,然後薪水的部分會從3萬1千7到3萬7千8的一個待遇所以待遇也做了一個調整除了這個月薪制的1600位之外針對那個實薪制的這個部分的話經費我們會持續來做一個增加那以實薪制的現在進用的這個助理人員有多少?\n\n03:20.569 --> 03:21.830\n7800位每個小時183元全部是中央來補助\n\n03:37.597 --> 03:47.004\n對,都是由中央政府來做一個補助經費是嗎?地方也會有配合款按照財力等級按照財力等級嗎?對不對?那我是認為說這個要盤點第一個實心智的這些我們的助理人員到底夠不夠那他的這個薪資待遇結構可不可以再調整得更好這是第二個問題第三個我們現在增加的這些月薪制的\n\n04:00.633 --> 04:25.053\n這些月薪制的人員的配置公不公平、合不合理、能不能到位我想這是大家最關心的因為我們要做這樣子的一個修法之後的一個配套措施要做就要做到好不要做半套而且最後我還擔心的是什麼我們現在雖然調整了這樣子的人數的配置也調整了他的薪資結構但是人從哪裡來\n\n04:28.636 --> 04:39.268\n現在台灣面臨少子化的社會各行各業普遍缺工缺乏人力資源那以這樣子需要有第一個需要有愛心耐心專業能力專業資能那他又必須要能夠付出專職那人從哪裡來你們有想過嗎\n\n04:46.152 --> 04:47.813\n提到時薪制特教助理員有7800人．未來會持續辦理30個小時的課程．希望能夠增加\n\n05:10.302 --> 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