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00:03:45,899\n科技園區我們都需要土地嘛那這個地方是我本席認為我們所推動是更為方便更便利我們一些高科技他們的進駐是不是院長這個地方我們共同來推動有沒有問題\n\n11\n00:03:46,796 --> 00:04:00,928\n我想要形成一個生態共融生活圈,然後讓它變成一個都市發展的典範,我想這也是一個很好的構想,那使得整個的產業有一個很好的聚落,我想這也是一個很有遠見的看法。\n\n12\n00:04:02,126 --> 00:04:19,526\n對,因為我們一些高科技廠商他們都知道只要是土地的起得有困難那要是我們這個國有地我們去把它推動讓高科技產業進駐土城跟三峽這個地方然後造就我們這邊的一些年輕人的就業機會\n\n13\n00:04:23,137 --> 00:04:39,044\n要推動之前因為我們都知道院長我們的國土計畫法明年就要實施了那明年要實施我們過去的三年在疫情期間過去的三年都停板那造成很多農民\n\n14\n00:04:40,267 --> 00:04:40,287\n吳琪\n\n15\n00:04:57,905 --> 00:05:19,302\n大家都持著反對的意見那證明說整個溝通協調的工作還不過落實因為疫情期間大家都停板那是不是本席現在又是內政的召委我本席要來提案來延長兩年那看院長你的看法如何\n\n16\n00:05:19,687 --> 00:05:35,016\n好,按照法律上來講的話,我們是應該在114年的10月30號就要公告國土功能的分區作為目標。現在還沒修法前,當然我們要這樣做。但是就像委員所講的,因為碰到了疫情,都沒什麼辦法。\n\n17\n00:05:36,315 --> 00:05:36,335\n﹚吳琪\n\n18\n00:05:56,826 --> 00:05:56,846\n﹚吳琪銘\n\n19\n00:06:15,592 --> 00:06:35,876\n好感謝感謝我們院長的承諾因為這才不會造成民怨因為我們一個好的政策我們還是要跟地方大家做溝通才能推動這大家有個反衝擊謝謝院長然後再來我就好院長不然你先回座好了我要請我們交通部長\n\n20\n00:06:40,709 --> 00:07:03,964\n委員好部長部長剛才我跟院長報告就是我們六五的延伸在這邊我要特別的感謝我們部長還有我們的公共工程會我們的無主委因為我到那邊開會開了五六次總算有個定案那我也知道我們現在整個上網\n\n21\n00:07:05,124 --> 00:07:28,790\n可行性評估的作業已經在做了那4月份也要做結標的動作那65的未來性65的急迫性因為大家都知道65在部長你上個會期會引落土城三峽為優先路段那整個現在整個推動的情形請部長來做說明\n\n22\n00:07:30,549 --> 00:07:59,214\n是,各位報告,這個計畫很謝謝委員的提案。那我們在行政院的桃竹苗大溪谷計畫,把它列入一個重要的交通骨幹。就是從板橋尾端一直會到龍潭,整個會把它做一個延伸。那目前這一個在應該是1、5年底會完成評估,然後後續因為它已經納入這個大溪谷計畫,基本上就是潮州方面來推動。就剛才談到\n\n23\n00:07:59,774 --> 00:07:59,794\n吳琪銘議員\n\n24\n00:08:14,458 --> 00:08:15,119\n部長,因為你看,其實國道3號會塞車\n\n25\n00:08:29,756 --> 00:08:57,266\n都是因為短程的車流量像我跟吳主委他都對新北市對以前在臺北縣他有幹過幾張當過副市長他非常清楚因為都是短程的車輛尤其現在三峽臺北大學城的人口成長速度多快兩年前4萬多人現在已經6萬多人那整個車流量都一定都爆增那再加上\n\n26\n00:08:58,326 --> 00:09:10,866\n三峽臺北大學城新北市又規劃麥子鹽重劃區還有我們的大甘鹽的重劃區那未來整個人口的暴增那現在樹林交流道\n\n27\n00:09:12,594 --> 00:09:12,614\n吳琪銘\n\n28\n00:09:41,550 --> 00:10:11,085\n北部跟這個桃園跟新北這個串聯以外另外一個就是國道3號的替代道路這一次我知道委員當時就是以這樣的這個想法來這個提出的他身兼這兩個功能那當然從通警的功能來講在這個這個三峽鷹戈到土城這一段是過去的瓶頸剛才委員提到那但是我跟委員因為我們現在其可行性是一直到龍潭那當然可以的話都同時完工\n\n29\n00:10:11,899 --> 00:10:14,695\n阿如果真的有什麼是不是要以這一個\n\n30\n00:10:15,396 --> 00:10:44,204\n三峽、英哥、土城這個優先我們就在這個可信評估裡面再做一個分析因為我看我們土城、三峽這邊優先路段先去規劃不然你說到桃園、大溪這邊的經費又非常的龐大那供期絕對會延宕那我們是先考慮不然你也可以解決我們英哥這邊的車流量三峽的車流量還有樹林的車流量這一個大山陰的車流量才會順通好不好\n\n31\n00:10:44,904 --> 00:10:44,924\n吳琪銘\n\n32\n00:10:58,635 --> 00:11:15,620\n我再來就是我們土城萬大協議縣萬大協議縣在107年我跟吳秉瑞、蘇巧慧我們三位當初的行政院長爭取了萬大縣555億但是現在大家都知道在這幾年飆也飆不出去\n\n33\n00:11:17,020 --> 00:11:17,040\n拜訪議員\n\n34\n00:11:30,037 --> 00:11:55,254\n是,現在是這樣,因為除了萬大綜合的這個第二期以外,比如說臺北市,還有包括高雄市、台中,他們的經費都有增加。目前大概在跟我們這個財主單位做一個討論,就是說哪一些是純粹是延誤料上漲的,哪一些是地方政府他本身要負責的,比如說當時沒有規劃好。\n\n35\n00:11:56,155 --> 00:12:16,556\n所以我們現在會有一個這樣通盤的這個修改計畫的原則出來。那我們現在這個原則大致有了。所以我們現在這個也請他們按照這個原則去分析。比如220億裡面哪一些是純粹這個因為物價上漲所導致的。那目前正在進行中。\n\n36\n00:12:17,745 --> 00:12:36,077\n因為這一定要快,你的整個財務計畫的修正,因為你現在已經樹林那邊已經開始在施裝,那你土層這邊來停擺,那你中間卡在這邊,那這是一個非常嚴重的急迫性。是,我們要趕快來對這個修正經費趕快來做一個審查,趕快來處理。\n\n37\n00:12:41,909 --> 00:12:43,511\n吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪\n\n38\n00:12:57,625 --> 00:13:22,559\n就是我們三峽三峽當初在我們交通部觀光局列入一個經典的城市那我們都知道三峽這邊我們的整個三峽河的整治也都完成了然後長湖橋的改建現在也發報在做了但是整個老街整個這個地方的範圍裡面就沒有一個停車場\n\n39\n00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:51,081\n那還好我在國安署在那個我們三峽國光街那邊還提拨了做一個平面的停車場但是還不符使用因為我們在長湖橋的旁邊一定要建造一個停車場立體停車場那我上會期也要求我們部長部長也引漏只要新北市願意把整個計畫排列在前面\n\n40\n00:13:52,242 --> 00:14:13,395\n我們交通部這邊原則上我們的前瞻雖然還有剩餘的部分你會全力來補助那現在我新北市已經溝通好了新北市跟我們的議員跟新北市溝通將整個排列在前面那未來這個停車場是不是如我們上個會期部長你所引落的我們來推動\n\n41\n00:14:14,420 --> 00:14:32,789\n是,我們現在在等4月份會做一個總檢討。的確過去260億裡面在一開始新北市政府並沒有把這個放在優先,現在它直接放在優先。但是因為我們錢用完,現在剩剩餘款。剩餘款就是有的花報不出去的限制放棄的。\n\n42\n00:14:33,956 --> 00:14:48,607\n那這個部分就是到4月底5月初會有一個總的檢討那我也知道新北已經跟委員一樣把它放在前面所以我們就看我們捷運款的狀況來支持這樣那萬一捷運款沒有了怎麼辦\n\n43\n00:14:50,691 --> 00:15:18,049\n這個看有沒有下一期阿,這個我們可能內部再討論看有沒有,比如說...部長這不能說有下一期阿,我新北市答應人家你排列在前面,我們部長隱落了,總不能跳票阿。不是,現在這樣,因為我們現在第一期是200億嘛,第二期60億嘛,那現在有260億在這個去年都分配完了,全部分配完了。所以我上次答應這個委員是說我們剩一款有的時候把你放在優先嘛,\n\n44\n00:15:18,803 --> 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的經費都有增加。目前大概在跟我們這個財主單位做一個討論,就是說哪一些是純粹是延誤料上漲的,哪一些是地方政府他本身要負責的,比如說當時沒有規劃好。\n所以我們現在會有一個這樣通盤的這個修改計畫的原則出來。那我們現在這個原則大致有了。所以我們現在這個也請他們按照這個原則去分析。比如220億裡面哪一些是純粹這個因為物價上漲所導致的。那目前正在進行中。\n因為這一定要快,你的整個財務計畫的修正,因為你現在已經樹林那邊已經開始在施裝,那你土層這邊來停擺,那你中間卡在這邊,那這是一個非常嚴重的急迫性。是,我們要趕快來對這個修正經費趕快來做一個審查,趕快來處理。\n吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪\n就是我們三峽三峽當初在我們交通部觀光局列入一個經典的城市那我們都知道三峽這邊我們的整個三峽河的整治也都完成了然後長湖橋的改建現在也發報在做了但是整個老街整個這個地方的範圍裡面就沒有一個停車場\n那還好我在國安署在那個我們三峽國光街那邊還提拨了做一個平面的停車場但是還不符使用因為我們在長湖橋的旁邊一定要建造一個停車場立體停車場那我上會期也要求我們部長部長也引漏只要新北市願意把整個計畫排列在前面\n我們交通部這邊原則上我們的前瞻雖然還有剩餘的部分你會全力來補助那現在我新北市已經溝通好了新北市跟我們的議員跟新北市溝通將整個排列在前面那未來這個停車場是不是如我們上個會期部長你所引落的我們來推動\n是,我們現在在等4月份會做一個總檢討。的確過去260億裡面在一開始新北市政府並沒有把這個放在優先,現在它直接放在優先。但是因為我們錢用完,現在剩剩餘款。剩餘款就是有的花報不出去的限制放棄的。\n那這個部分就是到4月底5月初會有一個總的檢討那我也知道新北已經跟委員一樣把它放在前面所以我們就看我們捷運款的狀況來支持這樣那萬一捷運款沒有了怎麼辦\n這個看有沒有下一期阿,這個我們可能內部再討論看有沒有,比如說...部長這不能說有下一期阿,我新北市答應人家你排列在前面,我們部長隱落了,總不能跳票阿。不是,現在這樣,因為我們現在第一期是200億嘛,第二期60億嘛,那現在有260億在這個去年都分配完了,全部分配完了。所以我上次答應這個委員是說我們剩一款有的時候把你放在優先嘛,\n謝謝吳委員親密謝謝我們\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:20.453 --> 00:25.638\n主席請我們行政院長陳院長麻煩請陳院長備詢委員好首先恭喜院長我們臺灣的股市已經來到兩萬多點這證明我們院長所帶領的行政團隊是穩健向前\n\n00:43.379 --> 00:43.399\n吳琪銘\n\n00:59.002 --> 00:59.022\n﹚吳琪銘\n\n01:19.446 --> 01:19.466\n吳琪銘\n\n01:37.641 --> 01:37.661\n﹚吳琪銘\n\n02:05.476 --> 02:05.496\n吳琪銘議員\n\n02:25.768 --> 02:26.388\n好,非常感謝,感謝院長。\n\n02:53.946 --> 03:01.654\n議員長,土層這個地方我們有一個司法延期有84公頃目前正在動工當中屬於\n\n03:02.571 --> 03:02.591\n吳琪銘\n\n03:27.611 --> 03:45.899\n科技園區我們都需要土地嘛那這個地方是我本席認為我們所推動是更為方便更便利我們一些高科技他們的進駐是不是院長這個地方我們共同來推動有沒有問題\n\n03:46.796 --> 04:00.928\n我想要形成一個生態共融生活圈,然後讓它變成一個都市發展的典範,我想這也是一個很好的構想,那使得整個的產業有一個很好的聚落,我想這也是一個很有遠見的看法。\n\n04:02.126 --> 04:19.526\n對,因為我們一些高科技廠商他們都知道只要是土地的起得有困難那要是我們這個國有地我們去把它推動讓高科技產業進駐土城跟三峽這個地方然後造就我們這邊的一些年輕人的就業機會\n\n04:23.137 --> 04:39.044\n要推動之前因為我們都知道院長我們的國土計畫法明年就要實施了那明年要實施我們過去的三年在疫情期間過去的三年都停板那造成很多農民\n\n04:40.267 --> 04:40.287\n吳琪\n\n04:57.905 --> 05:19.302\n大家都持著反對的意見那證明說整個溝通協調的工作還不過落實因為疫情期間大家都停板那是不是本席現在又是內政的召委我本席要來提案來延長兩年那看院長你的看法如何\n\n05:19.687 --> 05:35.016\n好,按照法律上來講的話,我們是應該在114年的10月30號就要公告國土功能的分區作為目標。現在還沒修法前,當然我們要這樣做。但是就像委員所講的,因為碰到了疫情,都沒什麼辦法。\n\n05:36.315 --> 05:36.335\n﹚吳琪\n\n05:56.826 --> 05:56.846\n﹚吳琪銘\n\n06:15.592 --> 06:35.876\n好感謝感謝我們院長的承諾因為這才不會造成民怨因為我們一個好的政策我們還是要跟地方大家做溝通才能推動這大家有個反衝擊謝謝院長然後再來我就好院長不然你先回座好了我要請我們交通部長\n\n06:40.709 --> 07:03.964\n委員好部長部長剛才我跟院長報告就是我們六五的延伸在這邊我要特別的感謝我們部長還有我們的公共工程會我們的無主委因為我到那邊開會開了五六次總算有個定案那我也知道我們現在整個上網\n\n07:05.124 --> 07:28.790\n可行性評估的作業已經在做了那4月份也要做結標的動作那65的未來性65的急迫性因為大家都知道65在部長你上個會期會引落土城三峽為優先路段那整個現在整個推動的情形請部長來做說明\n\n07:30.549 --> 07:59.214\n是,各位報告,這個計畫很謝謝委員的提案。那我們在行政院的桃竹苗大溪谷計畫,把它列入一個重要的交通骨幹。就是從板橋尾端一直會到龍潭,整個會把它做一個延伸。那目前這一個在應該是1、5年底會完成評估,然後後續因為它已經納入這個大溪谷計畫,基本上就是潮州方面來推動。就剛才談到\n\n07:59.774 --> 07:59.794\n吳琪銘議員\n\n08:14.458 --> 08:15.119\n部長,因為你看,其實國道3號會塞車\n\n08:29.756 --> 08:57.266\n都是因為短程的車流量像我跟吳主委他都對新北市對以前在臺北縣他有幹過幾張當過副市長他非常清楚因為都是短程的車輛尤其現在三峽臺北大學城的人口成長速度多快兩年前4萬多人現在已經6萬多人那整個車流量都一定都爆增那再加上\n\n08:58.326 --> 09:10.866\n三峽臺北大學城新北市又規劃麥子鹽重劃區還有我們的大甘鹽的重劃區那未來整個人口的暴增那現在樹林交流道\n\n09:12.594 --> 09:12.614\n吳琪銘\n\n09:41.550 --> 10:11.085\n北部跟這個桃園跟新北這個串聯以外另外一個就是國道3號的替代道路這一次我知道委員當時就是以這樣的這個想法來這個提出的他身兼這兩個功能那當然從通警的功能來講在這個這個三峽鷹戈到土城這一段是過去的瓶頸剛才委員提到那但是我跟委員因為我們現在其可行性是一直到龍潭那當然可以的話都同時完工\n\n10:11.899 --> 10:14.695\n阿如果真的有什麼是不是要以這一個\n\n10:15.396 --> 10:44.204\n三峽、英哥、土城這個優先我們就在這個可信評估裡面再做一個分析因為我看我們土城、三峽這邊優先路段先去規劃不然你說到桃園、大溪這邊的經費又非常的龐大那供期絕對會延宕那我們是先考慮不然你也可以解決我們英哥這邊的車流量三峽的車流量還有樹林的車流量這一個大山陰的車流量才會順通好不好\n\n10:44.904 --> 10:44.924\n吳琪銘\n\n10:58.635 --> 11:15.620\n我再來就是我們土城萬大協議縣萬大協議縣在107年我跟吳秉瑞、蘇巧慧我們三位當初的行政院長爭取了萬大縣555億但是現在大家都知道在這幾年飆也飆不出去\n\n11:17.020 --> 11:17.040\n拜訪議員\n\n11:30.037 --> 11:55.254\n是,現在是這樣,因為除了萬大綜合的這個第二期以外,比如說臺北市,還有包括高雄市、台中,他們的經費都有增加。目前大概在跟我們這個財主單位做一個討論,就是說哪一些是純粹是延誤料上漲的,哪一些是地方政府他本身要負責的,比如說當時沒有規劃好。\n\n11:56.155 --> 12:16.556\n所以我們現在會有一個這樣通盤的這個修改計畫的原則出來。那我們現在這個原則大致有了。所以我們現在這個也請他們按照這個原則去分析。比如220億裡面哪一些是純粹這個因為物價上漲所導致的。那目前正在進行中。\n\n12:17.745 --> 12:36.077\n因為這一定要快,你的整個財務計畫的修正,因為你現在已經樹林那邊已經開始在施裝,那你土層這邊來停擺,那你中間卡在這邊,那這是一個非常嚴重的急迫性。是,我們要趕快來對這個修正經費趕快來做一個審查,趕快來處理。\n\n12:41.909 --> 12:43.511\n吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪銘吳琪\n\n12:57.625 --> 13:22.559\n就是我們三峽三峽當初在我們交通部觀光局列入一個經典的城市那我們都知道三峽這邊我們的整個三峽河的整治也都完成了然後長湖橋的改建現在也發報在做了但是整個老街整個這個地方的範圍裡面就沒有一個停車場\n\n13:23.519 --> 13:51.081\n那還好我在國安署在那個我們三峽國光街那邊還提拨了做一個平面的停車場但是還不符使用因為我們在長湖橋的旁邊一定要建造一個停車場立體停車場那我上會期也要求我們部長部長也引漏只要新北市願意把整個計畫排列在前面\n\n13:52.242 --> 14:13.395\n我們交通部這邊原則上我們的前瞻雖然還有剩餘的部分你會全力來補助那現在我新北市已經溝通好了新北市跟我們的議員跟新北市溝通將整個排列在前面那未來這個停車場是不是如我們上個會期部長你所引落的我們來推動\n\n14:14.420 --> 14:32.789\n是,我們現在在等4月份會做一個總檢討。的確過去260億裡面在一開始新北市政府並沒有把這個放在優先,現在它直接放在優先。但是因為我們錢用完,現在剩剩餘款。剩餘款就是有的花報不出去的限制放棄的。\n\n14:33.956 --> 14:48.607\n那這個部分就是到4月底5月初會有一個總的檢討那我也知道新北已經跟委員一樣把它放在前面所以我們就看我們捷運款的狀況來支持這樣那萬一捷運款沒有了怎麼辦\n\n14:50.691 --> 15:18.049\n這個看有沒有下一期阿,這個我們可能內部再討論看有沒有,比如說...部長這不能說有下一期阿,我新北市答應人家你排列在前面,我們部長隱落了,總不能跳票阿。不是,現在這樣,因為我們現在第一期是200億嘛,第二期60億嘛,那現在有260億在這個去年都分配完了,全部分配完了。所以我上次答應這個委員是說我們剩一款有的時候把你放在優先嘛,\n\n15:18.803 --> 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