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00:00:11,072\n謝謝主席。我請行政院院長。再請行政院陳院長備詢。\n\n2\n00:00:18,530 --> 00:00:39,359\n院長好院長我們是民意代表所以說時常我們社區倘若有旅遊我們都會在早晨的時候到遊覽車出發之前來上車來跟民眾來打招呼問候那所以說我們看到高雄發生這一起遊覽車的事故的事件造成了一死15傷其實真的是感到相當的憂心\n\n3\n00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:56,690\n而且我們知道說其實在這個點煉花的事故之後2017年其實我們交通部已經針對我們的遊覽車客運業整體的管理安全有做出了一些改革的措施所以我想要先請問有關於這個事故發生之後因為報載媒體報導說2022年我們交通部的裁罰的件數針對超時駕駛就是我們現在看到在實務上最嚴重的問題\n\n4\n00:01:08,877 --> 00:01:10,098\n針對超時駕駛,我們2022年裁罰件數一年只罰了5件,有這麼少嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:24,693 --> 00:01:44,879\n所以他們就裝了GPS然後在我們這個樹林有一個中心所以我們可以看他路線還有包括駕駛他開車移動的時間那我們現在是這樣就是從我們的軌跡圖裡面去如果看到這個可能的這個超時如果你談是超時的部分就會去查核查核確實就會這個來採訪\n\n6\n00:01:48,803 --> 00:01:50,624\n議員2022年比較少,我看會不會和疫情有關係,也可能有啦。\n\n7\n00:02:13,019 --> 00:02:26,754\n我們交通部有裁罰,我們勞動部也有進行勞檢,有針對超時駕駛。我希望我們的聯合稽查也好,我們的裁罰也好,都是希望能夠預防意外。\n\n8\n00:02:27,335 --> 00:02:31,457\n議員的這個建議很好謝謝你關心這個所有的安全接下來我也要部長先請回我同時要請速發部\n\n9\n00:03:02,634 --> 00:03:15,975\n院長這是在2019年的時候我們國防部的國防安全研究院有一篇的研究來對我們提出一個警示也就是說我們必須要來去預防中國有可能來破壞臺灣的海底電纜\n\n10\n00:03:18,118 --> 00:03:18,138\n﹚吳沛憶\n\n11\n00:03:36,804 --> 00:04:00,810\n關掉。一次是因為中國的漁船把它拖斷。第二次是貨船來源不明但是一樣造成我們電纜的破損。在這個事件之後我們的國防研究院週報提出了三點的結論。第一個是中國有可能持續運用類似的手段來破壞我國的網路韌性。\n\n12\n00:04:01,570 --> 00:04:20,618\n第二點,我們必須要去建立備援機制來強化我們通訊的網路韌性。第三點,臺灣我們必須要接近烏克蘭來發展低軌衛星。所以我今天想要請問院長,我們臺灣對於預防中國來破壞我們的海底纜線,我們有沒有在做因應的對策?\n\n13\n00:04:21,738 --> 00:04:49,571\n對於海底纜線的這一個部分我們確實是有在進行怎麼樣加強它的韌性包括搶修的時間要快然後要有備援的這一個基礎那在這裡我們也會設置相關的保護所等等這是有關於這一個海纜的部分那中華電信也請海委會來加強這一個第一海纜的這個巡迴的這一個保護那這個部分我們\n\n14\n00:04:53,144 --> 00:05:15,957\n所謂的這個備援通訊其中一部分重要的是低軌衛星那我看了我們行政院有提出太空三期計畫那甚至蔡英文總統去年還說三期計畫必須要加碼我們要加碼來投入400億來投入我們低軌衛星的研製甚至我們台灣要破壞我們自己的國家發射場\n\n15\n00:05:16,997 --> 00:05:44,890\n我們這幾年也完成了立法,成立了國家太空中心。所以我想請問院長,針對太空三期計畫的加碼,我們目前規劃完成了嗎?對,我們在這一個部分呢,我們會積極來進行。那這一個部分數位部比較有關係。然後請數位部先來說明。謝謝委員。確實如同委員所說的,就是我想非同步衛星,包含已經在運作的中軌道衛星,這個我們包含在馬祖以及\n\n16\n00:05:45,370 --> 00:05:45,390\n吳沛憶\n\n17\n00:06:04,545 --> 00:06:27,398\n我們除了在努力要自治之外,我們也要進行跟國際的合作,對不對?目前我們數位部有沒有已經跟哪些國家來進行洽談了?是,我想除了剛剛講到的SES是盧森堡跟法國的之外,我自己去年也有到英國。那因為OneWeb這家公司比較特別,英國的政府對它是有所謂黃金股,就是有控制權的。\n\n18\n00:06:28,098 --> 00:06:55,505\n所以在我跟英國討論之後他們也很願意盡快的在供應鏈上面或者是在他資安的水準上面跟我們一起來測試。沒有錯因為我們不能把雞蛋放在同一個籃子裡所以我們要去除這個風險就是你們講的我們必須要多元並且一直的這個網路通訊所以我們現在除了自製在努力當中這個700個接收站我們預計什麼時候可以完成對我們年底就可以完成那目前要分佈在哪裡目前國科會在\n\n19\n00:06:55,845 --> 00:06:55,865\n吳沛憶議員\n\n20\n00:07:10,976 --> 00:07:30,968\n有,剛才我有提到說我們中軌衛星已經在測試,那至於說提供給就是太平島上面的五個國人來使用,目前以我所知是大概4月的時候他們會來做調度頻寬,一旦調度好就可以提供使用。院長,我們看到美國跨黨派的議員才在上一週就提出一個法案,要求美國太空總署也就是NASA,\n\n21\n00:07:48,238 --> 00:08:02,254\n那我也要提醒速發部我認為低軌衛星的發展不只對台灣現在這全球在冷戰之後新一波的太空進逐台灣我們沒有落後我們正在努力投入當中但是我認為速發部的這些說明其實不夠\n\n22\n00:08:02,995 --> 00:08:03,595\n謝謝委員接下來我要請交通部\n\n23\n00:08:29,551 --> 00:08:53,449\n院長同樣是在去年您有到萬華東元國小我們跟加納站的共購來視察萬大縣一起的工程當時我也在場那當時我們台北市市長蔣萬安有特別來拜託院長就是因為我們都知道公共工程這幾年公共工程的經費上漲所以原定我們是751的預算那台北市我們政府計算了一下發現需要增加100億那當時蔣萬安市長就提出來了\n\n24\n00:08:56,411 --> 00:08:56,431\n吳沛憶\n\n25\n00:09:11,428 --> 00:09:11,568\n吳沛憶吳沛憶\n\n26\n00:09:35,751 --> 00:10:04,774\n我們會跟地方政府再來檢討,如果是屬於不可抗力的這個因素所造成的話,我們一定會請相關的部門來全力支持。我請部長簡單的說一下。因為不可抗力就是說物價啦,這個原物料的這個物價上漲這部分是不可抗力。那其他比如說他當時設計自己疏忽掉的,這個就要請他們來處理。目前用這個原則在...那個計畫送進來了沒有?\n\n27\n00:10:05,594 --> 00:10:30,972\n他送進來,我們請他再做一些比較細的解釋。我們還在審核嘛。這部分我們就朝向要支持公共工程的部分來支持。因為我看民間很多坊間在說好像我們中央只是補助南部,不補助北部。該做的事情我們就要做。我也去看了一下我們台北市,過去中央支持我們台北市軌道建設的預算,\n\n28\n00:10:32,233 --> 00:10:34,715\n謝謝委員幫我們做了很好的統計。講到臺北市的軌道建設很重要的一個地方地標就是我們的臺北車站。\n\n29\n00:11:01,612 --> 00:11:30,118\n臺北車站是我們首都的入口甚至是我們臺灣國家的門戶那在臺北車站的周遭呢我們臺北市正在進行的是西區門戶計畫其中呢我們中央我們交通部轄下的臺鐵跟中華的郵政也在我們西區門戶計畫裡面是一個重要的角色那我在關注的是雙子星雙子星在2019年的時候一度呢臺北市政府是想要交給南海控股\n\n30\n00:11:30,538 --> 00:11:58,433\n但是雙子星畢竟為在我們國門要地牽涉到了六鐵共共,所以當時有送到我們投審會來審查嘛。審審會最後是否決了這個南海控股。那當時呢,包括我們台北市的前市長柯文哲還有現在桃園市的市長張善政都提出抱怨啊,認為說中央是在卡案。但是我要說的是,好險投審會有如實的審查。\n\n31\n00:11:59,523 --> 00:12:20,279\n為什麼當時投審會沒有給南海控股通過呢,院長?我想最主要是因為他是這個中國控股的公司嘛。他是中資嘛。對。去年的時候呢,南海控股被中國國營企業來沒收。對。所以我說海水退了才知道誰沒有穿褲子。還好投審會當年有如實依法來審查,否則現在在我們的國門要塞,我們雙子星,\n\n32\n00:12:26,744 --> 00:12:53,640\n就會是中國的國企來進行開發這後果是不堪設想我們是六鐵共共下面也有我們高鐵也有我們台鐵所以在這邊我也是要提醒我們行政院我知道在推動政策的時候時常要遇到帶風向時常要遇到政治的攻擊但是我要拜託你們我們所有都是人在公門你們不是為哪一個政黨服務也不是為民進黨在捍衛是對的事情我們理直就要氣壯\n\n33\n00:12:54,761 --> 00:13:10,259\n因為這個是法律要求我們的法定責任,該做的事情我們就要認真去做,我們就堅持去做,不想把它說明清楚,院長我們可不可以努力來做到。我同意而且謝謝你的鼓勵,我們行政團隊一定會按照這樣的精神來做。\n\n34\n00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:39,755\n院長那最後呢我是要拜託你因為我知道你也是我們臺北市中正區的居民嘛我相信你跟我一樣是期待我們臺北車站應該要是一個能夠去符合國際的標準跟國際的品質世界級的車站臺北車站呢臺北車站是我們台鐵寄出人數最多的一站也是世界評比裡面人潮前25大的車站但是呢我真的時常的在我們車站裡面看到很多的國際旅客\n\n35\n00:13:40,916 --> 00:13:59,793\n站在我們的地圖站在我們的指標前面停留非常久的時間現在我們很多來自於日本來自於韓國的旅客他們討論了很久臺北車站因為標示的不清楚儼然已經是一座迷宮了你們到YT的網站上面去搜尋影片\n\n36\n00:14:00,333 --> 00:14:27,627\n很多的這個外國的網紅YouTuber都在拍攝說在臺北車站裡面實在太容易去迷路了那我要講的是他其實的根本的問題是在於在臺北車站裡面我們有台鐵體系我們有高鐵體系我們有北捷體系歸臺北市政府管的我們現在還有基捷桃園市政府管在這個裡面有太多跨系統的單位光是我們的這個路標啊標識的指引\n\n37\n00:14:28,527 --> 00:14:44,062\n同樣一個中文的詞就有很多不同英文呈現的方式同樣一個地圖我們有不同方位的視角對於旅客來說這真的是是儼然是一座迷宮所以這雖然是一件小事但是也是一件大事\n\n38\n00:14:44,542 --> 00:15:10,072\n因為我覺得這牽涉到的就是我們中央跟地方如何去找到一個合作的機制。就我所知臺北車站目前我們臺鐵跟高鐵以及其他的單位就防災我們有一個跨單位的協作平台。我是能夠拜託院長拜託部長我們重新來盤整臺北車站不只是站體裡面的也包括站體周遭的行人安全。\n\n39\n00:15:10,572 --> 00:15:10,592\n謝謝吳委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7785\t11072\t謝謝主席。我請行政院院長。再請行政院陳院長備詢。\n18530\t39359\t院長好 院長我們是民意代表所以說時常我們社區倘若有旅遊我們都會在早晨的時候到遊覽車出發之前來上車來跟民眾來打招呼問候那所以說我們看到高雄發生這一起遊覽車的事故的事件造成了一死15傷其實真的是感到相當的憂心\n40640\t56690\t而且我們知道說其實在這個點煉花的事故之後2017年其實我們交通部已經針對我們的遊覽車客運業整體的管理安全有做出了一些改革的措施所以我想要先請問有關於這個事故發生之後因為報載媒體報導說2022年我們交通部的裁罰的件數針對超時駕駛就是我們現在看到在實務上最嚴重的問題\n68877\t70098\t針對超時駕駛,我們2022年裁罰件數一年只罰了5件,有這麼少嗎?\n84693\t104879\t所以他們就裝了GPS然後在我們這個樹林有一個中心所以我們可以看他路線還有包括駕駛他開車移動的時間那我們現在是這樣就是從我們的軌跡圖裡面去如果看到這個可能的這個超時如果你談是超時的部分就會去查核查核確實就會這個來採訪\n108803\t110624\t議員2022年比較少,我看會不會和疫情有關係,也可能有啦。\n133019\t146754\t我們交通部有裁罰,我們勞動部也有進行勞檢,有針對超時駕駛。我希望我們的聯合稽查也好,我們的裁罰也好,都是希望能夠預防意外。\n147335\t151457\t議員的這個建議很好謝謝你關心這個所有的安全接下來我也要部長先請回我同時要請速發部\n182634\t195975\t院長這是在2019年的時候我們國防部的國防安全研究院有一篇的研究來對我們提出一個警示也就是說我們必須要來去預防中國有可能來破壞臺灣的海底電纜\n198118\t198138\t﹚吳沛憶\n216804\t240810\t關掉。一次是因為中國的漁船把它拖斷。第二次是貨船來源不明但是一樣造成我們電纜的破損。在這個事件之後我們的國防研究院週報提出了三點的結論。第一個是中國有可能持續運用類似的手段來破壞我國的網路韌性。\n241570\t260618\t第二點,我們必須要去建立備援機制來強化我們通訊的網路韌性。第三點,臺灣我們必須要接近烏克蘭來發展低軌衛星。所以我今天想要請問院長,我們臺灣對於預防中國來破壞我們的海底纜線,我們有沒有在做因應的對策?\n261738\t289571\t對於海底纜線的這一個部分我們確實是有在進行怎麼樣加強它的韌性包括搶修的時間要快然後要有備援的這一個基礎那在這裡我們也會設置相關的保護所等等這是有關於這一個海纜的部分那中華電信也請海委會來加強這一個第一海纜的這個巡迴的這一個保護那這個部分我們\n293144\t315957\t所謂的這個備援通訊其中一部分重要的是低軌衛星那我看了我們行政院有提出太空三期計畫那甚至蔡英文總統去年還說三期計畫必須要加碼我們要加碼來投入400億來投入我們低軌衛星的研製甚至我們台灣要破壞我們自己的國家發射場\n316997\t344890\t我們這幾年也完成了立法,成立了國家太空中心。所以我想請問院長,針對太空三期計畫的加碼,我們目前規劃完成了嗎?對,我們在這一個部分呢,我們會積極來進行。那這一個部分數位部比較有關係。然後請數位部先來說明。謝謝委員。確實如同委員所說的,就是我想非同步衛星,包含已經在運作的中軌道衛星,這個我們包含在馬祖以及\n345370\t345390\t吳沛憶\n364545\t387398\t我們除了在努力要自治之外,我們也要進行跟國際的合作,對不對?目前我們數位部有沒有已經跟哪些國家來進行洽談了?是,我想除了剛剛講到的SES是盧森堡跟法國的之外,我自己去年也有到英國。那因為OneWeb這家公司比較特別,英國的政府對它是有所謂黃金股,就是有控制權的。\n388098\t415505\t所以在我跟英國討論之後他們也很願意盡快的在供應鏈上面或者是在他資安的水準上面跟我們一起來測試。沒有錯因為我們不能把雞蛋放在同一個籃子裡所以我們要去除這個風險就是你們講的我們必須要多元並且一直的這個網路通訊所以我們現在除了自製在努力當中這個700個接收站我們預計什麼時候可以完成對我們年底就可以完成那目前要分佈在哪裡目前國科會在\n415845\t415865\t吳沛憶議員\n430976\t450968\t有,剛才我有提到說我們中軌衛星已經在測試,那至於說提供給就是太平島上面的五個國人來使用,目前以我所知是大概4月的時候他們會來做調度頻寬,一旦調度好就可以提供使用。院長,我們看到美國跨黨派的議員才在上一週就提出一個法案,要求美國太空總署也就是NASA,\n451288\t467978\t﹗\n468238\t482254\t那我也要提醒速發部我認為低軌衛星的發展不只對台灣現在這全球在冷戰之後新一波的太空進逐台灣我們沒有落後我們正在努力投入當中但是我認為速發部的這些說明其實不夠\n482995\t483595\t謝謝委員接下來我要請交通部\n509551\t533449\t院長同樣是在去年您有到萬華東元國小我們跟加納站的共購來視察萬大縣一起的工程當時我也在場那當時我們台北市市長蔣萬安有特別來拜託院長就是因為我們都知道公共工程這幾年公共工程的經費上漲所以原定我們是751的預算那台北市我們政府計算了一下發現需要增加100億那當時蔣萬安市長就提出來了\n536411\t536431\t吳沛憶\n551428\t551568\t吳沛憶吳沛憶\n575751\t604774\t我們會跟地方政府再來檢討,如果是屬於不可抗力的這個因素所造成的話,我們一定會請相關的部門來全力支持。我請部長簡單的說一下。因為不可抗力就是說物價啦,這個原物料的這個物價上漲這部分是不可抗力。那其他比如說他當時設計自己疏忽掉的,這個就要請他們來處理。目前用這個原則在...那個計畫送進來了沒有?\n605594\t630972\t他送進來,我們請他再做一些比較細的解釋。我們還在審核嘛。這部分我們就朝向要支持公共工程的部分來支持。因為我看民間很多坊間在說好像我們中央只是補助南部,不補助北部。該做的事情我們就要做。我也去看了一下我們台北市,過去中央支持我們台北市軌道建設的預算,\n632233\t634715\t謝謝委員幫我們做了很好的統計。講到臺北市的軌道建設很重要的一個地方地標就是我們的臺北車站。\n661612\t690118\t臺北車站是我們首都的入口甚至是我們臺灣國家的門戶那在臺北車站的周遭呢我們臺北市正在進行的是西區門戶計畫其中呢我們中央我們交通部轄下的臺鐵跟中華的郵政也在我們西區門戶計畫裡面是一個重要的角色那我在關注的是雙子星雙子星在2019年的時候一度呢臺北市政府是想要交給南海控股\n690538\t718433\t但是雙子星畢竟為在我們國門要地牽涉到了六鐵共共,所以當時有送到我們投審會來審查嘛。審審會最後是否決了這個南海控股。那當時呢,包括我們台北市的前市長柯文哲還有現在桃園市的市長張善政都提出抱怨啊,認為說中央是在卡案。但是我要說的是,好險投審會有如實的審查。\n719523\t740279\t為什麼當時投審會沒有給南海控股通過呢,院長?我想最主要是因為他是這個中國控股的公司嘛。他是中資嘛。對。去年的時候呢,南海控股被中國國營企業來沒收。對。所以我說海水退了才知道誰沒有穿褲子。還好投審會當年有如實依法來審查,否則現在在我們的國門要塞,我們雙子星,\n746744\t773640\t就會是中國的國企來進行開發這後果是不堪設想我們是六鐵共共下面也有我們高鐵也有我們台鐵所以在這邊我也是要提醒我們行政院我知道在推動政策的時候時常要遇到帶風向時常要遇到政治的攻擊但是我要拜託你們我們所有都是人在公門你們不是為哪一個政黨服務也不是為民進黨在捍衛是對的事情我們理直就要氣壯\n774761\t790259\t因為這個是法律要求我們的法定責任,該做的事情我們就要認真去做,我們就堅持去做,不想把它說明清楚,院長我們可不可以努力來做到。我同意而且謝謝你的鼓勵,我們行政團隊一定會按照這樣的精神來做。\n791480\t819755\t院長那最後呢我是要拜託你因為我知道你也是我們臺北市中正區的居民嘛我相信你跟我一樣是期待我們臺北車站應該要是一個能夠去符合國際的標準跟國際的品質世界級的車站臺北車站呢臺北車站是我們台鐵寄出人數最多的一站也是世界評比裡面人潮前25大的車站但是呢我真的時常的在我們車站裡面看到很多的國際旅客\n820916\t839793\t站在我們的地圖站在我們的指標前面停留非常久的時間現在我們很多來自於日本來自於韓國的旅客他們討論了很久臺北車站因為標示的不清楚儼然已經是一座迷宮了你們到YT的網站上面去搜尋影片\n840333\t867627\t很多的這個外國的網紅YouTuber都在拍攝說在臺北車站裡面實在太容易去迷路了那我要講的是他其實的根本的問題是在於在臺北車站裡面我們有台鐵體系我們有高鐵體系我們有北捷體系歸臺北市政府管的我們現在還有基捷桃園市政府管在這個裡面有太多跨系統的單位光是我們的這個路標啊標識的指引\n868527\t884062\t同樣一個中文的詞就有很多不同英文呈現的方式同樣一個地圖我們有不同方位的視角對於旅客來說這真的是是儼然是一座迷宮所以這雖然是一件小事但是也是一件大事\n884542\t910072\t因為我覺得這牽涉到的就是我們中央跟地方如何去找到一個合作的機制。就我所知臺北車站目前我們臺鐵跟高鐵以及其他的單位就防災我們有一個跨單位的協作平台。我是能夠拜託院長拜託部長我們重新來盤整臺北車站不只是站體裡面的也包括站體周遭的行人安全。\n910572\t910592\t謝謝吳委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席。我請行政院院長。再請行政院陳院長備詢。\n院長好 院長我們是民意代表所以說時常我們社區倘若有旅遊我們都會在早晨的時候到遊覽車出發之前來上車來跟民眾來打招呼問候那所以說我們看到高雄發生這一起遊覽車的事故的事件造成了一死15傷其實真的是感到相當的憂心\n而且我們知道說其實在這個點煉花的事故之後2017年其實我們交通部已經針對我們的遊覽車客運業整體的管理安全有做出了一些改革的措施所以我想要先請問有關於這個事故發生之後因為報載媒體報導說2022年我們交通部的裁罰的件數針對超時駕駛就是我們現在看到在實務上最嚴重的問題\n針對超時駕駛,我們2022年裁罰件數一年只罰了5件,有這麼少嗎?\n所以他們就裝了GPS然後在我們這個樹林有一個中心所以我們可以看他路線還有包括駕駛他開車移動的時間那我們現在是這樣就是從我們的軌跡圖裡面去如果看到這個可能的這個超時如果你談是超時的部分就會去查核查核確實就會這個來採訪\n議員2022年比較少,我看會不會和疫情有關係,也可能有啦。\n我們交通部有裁罰,我們勞動部也有進行勞檢,有針對超時駕駛。我希望我們的聯合稽查也好,我們的裁罰也好,都是希望能夠預防意外。\n議員的這個建議很好謝謝你關心這個所有的安全接下來我也要部長先請回我同時要請速發部\n院長這是在2019年的時候我們國防部的國防安全研究院有一篇的研究來對我們提出一個警示也就是說我們必須要來去預防中國有可能來破壞臺灣的海底電纜\n﹚吳沛憶\n關掉。一次是因為中國的漁船把它拖斷。第二次是貨船來源不明但是一樣造成我們電纜的破損。在這個事件之後我們的國防研究院週報提出了三點的結論。第一個是中國有可能持續運用類似的手段來破壞我國的網路韌性。\n第二點,我們必須要去建立備援機制來強化我們通訊的網路韌性。第三點,臺灣我們必須要接近烏克蘭來發展低軌衛星。所以我今天想要請問院長,我們臺灣對於預防中國來破壞我們的海底纜線,我們有沒有在做因應的對策?\n對於海底纜線的這一個部分我們確實是有在進行怎麼樣加強它的韌性包括搶修的時間要快然後要有備援的這一個基礎那在這裡我們也會設置相關的保護所等等這是有關於這一個海纜的部分那中華電信也請海委會來加強這一個第一海纜的這個巡迴的這一個保護那這個部分我們\n所謂的這個備援通訊其中一部分重要的是低軌衛星那我看了我們行政院有提出太空三期計畫那甚至蔡英文總統去年還說三期計畫必須要加碼我們要加碼來投入400億來投入我們低軌衛星的研製甚至我們台灣要破壞我們自己的國家發射場\n我們這幾年也完成了立法,成立了國家太空中心。所以我想請問院長,針對太空三期計畫的加碼,我們目前規劃完成了嗎?對,我們在這一個部分呢,我們會積極來進行。那這一個部分數位部比較有關係。然後請數位部先來說明。謝謝委員。確實如同委員所說的,就是我想非同步衛星,包含已經在運作的中軌道衛星,這個我們包含在馬祖以及\n吳沛憶\n我們除了在努力要自治之外,我們也要進行跟國際的合作,對不對?目前我們數位部有沒有已經跟哪些國家來進行洽談了?是,我想除了剛剛講到的SES是盧森堡跟法國的之外,我自己去年也有到英國。那因為OneWeb這家公司比較特別,英國的政府對它是有所謂黃金股,就是有控制權的。\n所以在我跟英國討論之後他們也很願意盡快的在供應鏈上面或者是在他資安的水準上面跟我們一起來測試。沒有錯因為我們不能把雞蛋放在同一個籃子裡所以我們要去除這個風險就是你們講的我們必須要多元並且一直的這個網路通訊所以我們現在除了自製在努力當中這個700個接收站我們預計什麼時候可以完成對我們年底就可以完成那目前要分佈在哪裡目前國科會在\n吳沛憶議員\n有,剛才我有提到說我們中軌衛星已經在測試,那至於說提供給就是太平島上面的五個國人來使用,目前以我所知是大概4月的時候他們會來做調度頻寬,一旦調度好就可以提供使用。院長,我們看到美國跨黨派的議員才在上一週就提出一個法案,要求美國太空總署也就是NASA,\n﹗\n那我也要提醒速發部我認為低軌衛星的發展不只對台灣現在這全球在冷戰之後新一波的太空進逐台灣我們沒有落後我們正在努力投入當中但是我認為速發部的這些說明其實不夠\n謝謝委員接下來我要請交通部\n院長同樣是在去年您有到萬華東元國小我們跟加納站的共購來視察萬大縣一起的工程當時我也在場那當時我們台北市市長蔣萬安有特別來拜託院長就是因為我們都知道公共工程這幾年公共工程的經費上漲所以原定我們是751的預算那台北市我們政府計算了一下發現需要增加100億那當時蔣萬安市長就提出來了\n吳沛憶\n吳沛憶吳沛憶\n我們會跟地方政府再來檢討,如果是屬於不可抗力的這個因素所造成的話,我們一定會請相關的部門來全力支持。我請部長簡單的說一下。因為不可抗力就是說物價啦,這個原物料的這個物價上漲這部分是不可抗力。那其他比如說他當時設計自己疏忽掉的,這個就要請他們來處理。目前用這個原則在...那個計畫送進來了沒有?\n他送進來,我們請他再做一些比較細的解釋。我們還在審核嘛。這部分我們就朝向要支持公共工程的部分來支持。因為我看民間很多坊間在說好像我們中央只是補助南部,不補助北部。該做的事情我們就要做。我也去看了一下我們台北市,過去中央支持我們台北市軌道建設的預算,\n謝謝委員幫我們做了很好的統計。講到臺北市的軌道建設很重要的一個地方地標就是我們的臺北車站。\n臺北車站是我們首都的入口甚至是我們臺灣國家的門戶那在臺北車站的周遭呢我們臺北市正在進行的是西區門戶計畫其中呢我們中央我們交通部轄下的臺鐵跟中華的郵政也在我們西區門戶計畫裡面是一個重要的角色那我在關注的是雙子星雙子星在2019年的時候一度呢臺北市政府是想要交給南海控股\n但是雙子星畢竟為在我們國門要地牽涉到了六鐵共共,所以當時有送到我們投審會來審查嘛。審審會最後是否決了這個南海控股。那當時呢,包括我們台北市的前市長柯文哲還有現在桃園市的市長張善政都提出抱怨啊,認為說中央是在卡案。但是我要說的是,好險投審會有如實的審查。\n為什麼當時投審會沒有給南海控股通過呢,院長?我想最主要是因為他是這個中國控股的公司嘛。他是中資嘛。對。去年的時候呢,南海控股被中國國營企業來沒收。對。所以我說海水退了才知道誰沒有穿褲子。還好投審會當年有如實依法來審查,否則現在在我們的國門要塞,我們雙子星,\n就會是中國的國企來進行開發這後果是不堪設想我們是六鐵共共下面也有我們高鐵也有我們台鐵所以在這邊我也是要提醒我們行政院我知道在推動政策的時候時常要遇到帶風向時常要遇到政治的攻擊但是我要拜託你們我們所有都是人在公門你們不是為哪一個政黨服務也不是為民進黨在捍衛是對的事情我們理直就要氣壯\n因為這個是法律要求我們的法定責任,該做的事情我們就要認真去做,我們就堅持去做,不想把它說明清楚,院長我們可不可以努力來做到。我同意而且謝謝你的鼓勵,我們行政團隊一定會按照這樣的精神來做。\n院長那最後呢我是要拜託你因為我知道你也是我們臺北市中正區的居民嘛我相信你跟我一樣是期待我們臺北車站應該要是一個能夠去符合國際的標準跟國際的品質世界級的車站臺北車站呢臺北車站是我們台鐵寄出人數最多的一站也是世界評比裡面人潮前25大的車站但是呢我真的時常的在我們車站裡面看到很多的國際旅客\n站在我們的地圖站在我們的指標前面停留非常久的時間現在我們很多來自於日本來自於韓國的旅客他們討論了很久臺北車站因為標示的不清楚儼然已經是一座迷宮了你們到YT的網站上面去搜尋影片\n很多的這個外國的網紅YouTuber都在拍攝說在臺北車站裡面實在太容易去迷路了那我要講的是他其實的根本的問題是在於在臺北車站裡面我們有台鐵體系我們有高鐵體系我們有北捷體系歸臺北市政府管的我們現在還有基捷桃園市政府管在這個裡面有太多跨系統的單位光是我們的這個路標啊標識的指引\n同樣一個中文的詞就有很多不同英文呈現的方式同樣一個地圖我們有不同方位的視角對於旅客來說這真的是是儼然是一座迷宮所以這雖然是一件小事但是也是一件大事\n因為我覺得這牽涉到的就是我們中央跟地方如何去找到一個合作的機制。就我所知臺北車站目前我們臺鐵跟高鐵以及其他的單位就防災我們有一個跨單位的協作平台。我是能夠拜託院長拜託部長我們重新來盤整臺北車站不只是站體裡面的也包括站體周遭的行人安全。\n謝謝吳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.785 --> 00:11.072\n謝謝主席。我請行政院院長。再請行政院陳院長備詢。\n\n00:18.530 --> 00:39.359\n院長好院長我們是民意代表所以說時常我們社區倘若有旅遊我們都會在早晨的時候到遊覽車出發之前來上車來跟民眾來打招呼問候那所以說我們看到高雄發生這一起遊覽車的事故的事件造成了一死15傷其實真的是感到相當的憂心\n\n00:40.640 --> 00:56.690\n而且我們知道說其實在這個點煉花的事故之後2017年其實我們交通部已經針對我們的遊覽車客運業整體的管理安全有做出了一些改革的措施所以我想要先請問有關於這個事故發生之後因為報載媒體報導說2022年我們交通部的裁罰的件數針對超時駕駛就是我們現在看到在實務上最嚴重的問題\n\n01:08.877 --> 01:10.098\n針對超時駕駛,我們2022年裁罰件數一年只罰了5件,有這麼少嗎?\n\n01:24.693 --> 01:44.879\n所以他們就裝了GPS然後在我們這個樹林有一個中心所以我們可以看他路線還有包括駕駛他開車移動的時間那我們現在是這樣就是從我們的軌跡圖裡面去如果看到這個可能的這個超時如果你談是超時的部分就會去查核查核確實就會這個來採訪\n\n01:48.803 --> 01:50.624\n議員2022年比較少,我看會不會和疫情有關係,也可能有啦。\n\n02:13.019 --> 02:26.754\n我們交通部有裁罰,我們勞動部也有進行勞檢,有針對超時駕駛。我希望我們的聯合稽查也好,我們的裁罰也好,都是希望能夠預防意外。\n\n02:27.335 --> 02:31.457\n議員的這個建議很好謝謝你關心這個所有的安全接下來我也要部長先請回我同時要請速發部\n\n03:02.634 --> 03:15.975\n院長這是在2019年的時候我們國防部的國防安全研究院有一篇的研究來對我們提出一個警示也就是說我們必須要來去預防中國有可能來破壞臺灣的海底電纜\n\n03:18.118 --> 03:18.138\n﹚吳沛憶\n\n03:36.804 --> 04:00.810\n關掉。一次是因為中國的漁船把它拖斷。第二次是貨船來源不明但是一樣造成我們電纜的破損。在這個事件之後我們的國防研究院週報提出了三點的結論。第一個是中國有可能持續運用類似的手段來破壞我國的網路韌性。\n\n04:01.570 --> 04:20.618\n第二點,我們必須要去建立備援機制來強化我們通訊的網路韌性。第三點,臺灣我們必須要接近烏克蘭來發展低軌衛星。所以我今天想要請問院長,我們臺灣對於預防中國來破壞我們的海底纜線,我們有沒有在做因應的對策?\n\n04:21.738 --> 04:49.571\n對於海底纜線的這一個部分我們確實是有在進行怎麼樣加強它的韌性包括搶修的時間要快然後要有備援的這一個基礎那在這裡我們也會設置相關的保護所等等這是有關於這一個海纜的部分那中華電信也請海委會來加強這一個第一海纜的這個巡迴的這一個保護那這個部分我們\n\n04:53.144 --> 05:15.957\n所謂的這個備援通訊其中一部分重要的是低軌衛星那我看了我們行政院有提出太空三期計畫那甚至蔡英文總統去年還說三期計畫必須要加碼我們要加碼來投入400億來投入我們低軌衛星的研製甚至我們台灣要破壞我們自己的國家發射場\n\n05:16.997 --> 05:44.890\n我們這幾年也完成了立法,成立了國家太空中心。所以我想請問院長,針對太空三期計畫的加碼,我們目前規劃完成了嗎?對,我們在這一個部分呢,我們會積極來進行。那這一個部分數位部比較有關係。然後請數位部先來說明。謝謝委員。確實如同委員所說的,就是我想非同步衛星,包含已經在運作的中軌道衛星,這個我們包含在馬祖以及\n\n05:45.370 --> 05:45.390\n吳沛憶\n\n06:04.545 --> 06:27.398\n我們除了在努力要自治之外,我們也要進行跟國際的合作,對不對?目前我們數位部有沒有已經跟哪些國家來進行洽談了?是,我想除了剛剛講到的SES是盧森堡跟法國的之外,我自己去年也有到英國。那因為OneWeb這家公司比較特別,英國的政府對它是有所謂黃金股,就是有控制權的。\n\n06:28.098 --> 06:55.505\n所以在我跟英國討論之後他們也很願意盡快的在供應鏈上面或者是在他資安的水準上面跟我們一起來測試。沒有錯因為我們不能把雞蛋放在同一個籃子裡所以我們要去除這個風險就是你們講的我們必須要多元並且一直的這個網路通訊所以我們現在除了自製在努力當中這個700個接收站我們預計什麼時候可以完成對我們年底就可以完成那目前要分佈在哪裡目前國科會在\n\n06:55.845 --> 06:55.865\n吳沛憶議員\n\n07:10.976 --> 07:30.968\n有,剛才我有提到說我們中軌衛星已經在測試,那至於說提供給就是太平島上面的五個國人來使用,目前以我所知是大概4月的時候他們會來做調度頻寬,一旦調度好就可以提供使用。院長,我們看到美國跨黨派的議員才在上一週就提出一個法案,要求美國太空總署也就是NASA,\n\n07:48.238 --> 08:02.254\n那我也要提醒速發部我認為低軌衛星的發展不只對台灣現在這全球在冷戰之後新一波的太空進逐台灣我們沒有落後我們正在努力投入當中但是我認為速發部的這些說明其實不夠\n\n08:02.995 --> 08:03.595\n謝謝委員接下來我要請交通部\n\n08:29.551 --> 08:53.449\n院長同樣是在去年您有到萬華東元國小我們跟加納站的共購來視察萬大縣一起的工程當時我也在場那當時我們台北市市長蔣萬安有特別來拜託院長就是因為我們都知道公共工程這幾年公共工程的經費上漲所以原定我們是751的預算那台北市我們政府計算了一下發現需要增加100億那當時蔣萬安市長就提出來了\n\n08:56.411 --> 08:56.431\n吳沛憶\n\n09:11.428 --> 09:11.568\n吳沛憶吳沛憶\n\n09:35.751 --> 10:04.774\n我們會跟地方政府再來檢討,如果是屬於不可抗力的這個因素所造成的話,我們一定會請相關的部門來全力支持。我請部長簡單的說一下。因為不可抗力就是說物價啦,這個原物料的這個物價上漲這部分是不可抗力。那其他比如說他當時設計自己疏忽掉的,這個就要請他們來處理。目前用這個原則在...那個計畫送進來了沒有?\n\n10:05.594 --> 10:30.972\n他送進來,我們請他再做一些比較細的解釋。我們還在審核嘛。這部分我們就朝向要支持公共工程的部分來支持。因為我看民間很多坊間在說好像我們中央只是補助南部,不補助北部。該做的事情我們就要做。我也去看了一下我們台北市,過去中央支持我們台北市軌道建設的預算,\n\n10:32.233 --> 10:34.715\n謝謝委員幫我們做了很好的統計。講到臺北市的軌道建設很重要的一個地方地標就是我們的臺北車站。\n\n11:01.612 --> 11:30.118\n臺北車站是我們首都的入口甚至是我們臺灣國家的門戶那在臺北車站的周遭呢我們臺北市正在進行的是西區門戶計畫其中呢我們中央我們交通部轄下的臺鐵跟中華的郵政也在我們西區門戶計畫裡面是一個重要的角色那我在關注的是雙子星雙子星在2019年的時候一度呢臺北市政府是想要交給南海控股\n\n11:30.538 --> 11:58.433\n但是雙子星畢竟為在我們國門要地牽涉到了六鐵共共,所以當時有送到我們投審會來審查嘛。審審會最後是否決了這個南海控股。那當時呢,包括我們台北市的前市長柯文哲還有現在桃園市的市長張善政都提出抱怨啊,認為說中央是在卡案。但是我要說的是,好險投審會有如實的審查。\n\n11:59.523 --> 12:20.279\n為什麼當時投審會沒有給南海控股通過呢,院長?我想最主要是因為他是這個中國控股的公司嘛。他是中資嘛。對。去年的時候呢,南海控股被中國國營企業來沒收。對。所以我說海水退了才知道誰沒有穿褲子。還好投審會當年有如實依法來審查,否則現在在我們的國門要塞,我們雙子星,\n\n12:26.744 --> 12:53.640\n就會是中國的國企來進行開發這後果是不堪設想我們是六鐵共共下面也有我們高鐵也有我們台鐵所以在這邊我也是要提醒我們行政院我知道在推動政策的時候時常要遇到帶風向時常要遇到政治的攻擊但是我要拜託你們我們所有都是人在公門你們不是為哪一個政黨服務也不是為民進黨在捍衛是對的事情我們理直就要氣壯\n\n12:54.761 --> 13:10.259\n因為這個是法律要求我們的法定責任,該做的事情我們就要認真去做,我們就堅持去做,不想把它說明清楚,院長我們可不可以努力來做到。我同意而且謝謝你的鼓勵,我們行政團隊一定會按照這樣的精神來做。\n\n13:11.480 --> 13:39.755\n院長那最後呢我是要拜託你因為我知道你也是我們臺北市中正區的居民嘛我相信你跟我一樣是期待我們臺北車站應該要是一個能夠去符合國際的標準跟國際的品質世界級的車站臺北車站呢臺北車站是我們台鐵寄出人數最多的一站也是世界評比裡面人潮前25大的車站但是呢我真的時常的在我們車站裡面看到很多的國際旅客\n\n13:40.916 --> 13:59.793\n站在我們的地圖站在我們的指標前面停留非常久的時間現在我們很多來自於日本來自於韓國的旅客他們討論了很久臺北車站因為標示的不清楚儼然已經是一座迷宮了你們到YT的網站上面去搜尋影片\n\n14:00.333 --> 14:27.627\n很多的這個外國的網紅YouTuber都在拍攝說在臺北車站裡面實在太容易去迷路了那我要講的是他其實的根本的問題是在於在臺北車站裡面我們有台鐵體系我們有高鐵體系我們有北捷體系歸臺北市政府管的我們現在還有基捷桃園市政府管在這個裡面有太多跨系統的單位光是我們的這個路標啊標識的指引\n\n14:28.527 --> 14:44.062\n同樣一個中文的詞就有很多不同英文呈現的方式同樣一個地圖我們有不同方位的視角對於旅客來說這真的是是儼然是一座迷宮所以這雖然是一件小事但是也是一件大事\n\n14:44.542 --> 15:10.072\n因為我覺得這牽涉到的就是我們中央跟地方如何去找到一個合作的機制。就我所知臺北車站目前我們臺鐵跟高鐵以及其他的單位就防災我們有一個跨單位的協作平台。我是能夠拜託院長拜託部長我們重新來盤整臺北車站不只是站體裡面的也包括站體周遭的行人安全。\n\n15:10.572 --> 15:10.592\n謝謝吳委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":7.785,"end":11.072,"text":"謝謝主席。我請行政院院長。再請行政院陳院長備詢。"},{"start":18.53,"end":39.359,"text":"院長好 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