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指定哪些地方應該要優先來加強，我們會提供經費，這個沒有問題。"],["陳委員冠廷：謝謝。針對梅山纜車，我還是要快速地講一下。3月14日我們有收到交通部的公文，預計在梅山市區和太平村各辦一個說明會，我想請教這兩個說明會有沒有可能在上半年辦完？就是交通部關於梅山纜車的可行性評估不知道是不是可以提早把它做完，因為未來還有綜合規劃、環境影響評估、工程設計，所以這個部分想要請教一下部長，有沒有辦法儘快把它完成？"],["王部長國材：現在阿里山風管處積極在進行、做一些前置作業，前置作業完成，可以的話就進入可行性評估，然後再往後來走。"],["陳委員冠廷：最後還是要補問一個問題，就是關於嘉義TPASS的部分，因為有很多鄉親，包含各個市議員都有到我們的辦公室來討論這部分，其實TPASS在嘉義市是399元，但是只有大林到南靖，等於是只有6個站點而已，對於未來整個嘉義、整個產業，未來包含台積電的進駐也好，民雄航太園區也好，其實未來通勤所需要的，如果只有在嘉嘉地區，我是覺得有點可惜，是不是可以來考慮增設站點，是否可以請部長回去再思考一下？"],["王部長國材：我們會討論一下。"],["陳委員冠廷：好不好？這個我們之後再繼續來討論，謝謝。"],["陳院長建仁：對啦，好。"],["主席：謝謝陳委員冠廷的質詢，謝謝陳院長的備詢。","報告院會，現在休息10分鐘，休息之後我們繼續進行質詢，現在休息。","休息（16時21分）","繼續開會（16時31分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":132,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-6","speakers":["韓國瑜","陳超明","涂權吉","顏寬恒","廖先翔","吳琪銘","吳沛憶","游顥","林倩綺","葉元之","徐巧芯","陳冠廷","陳亭妃","羅明才","賴瑞隆","郭國文","黃捷","楊曜","王美惠","魯明哲","賴惠員","林楚茵","王世堅"],"page_start":38,"meetingDate":["2024-03-22"],"gazette_id":"1131401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1131401_00002","1131401_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期第6次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 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00:02:45,889\n在這一個部分的話我想各部會都有他執事的該做的這個部分那中科院他是做這一個無人機園區的規劃那經濟部廠發署跟這一個嘉義縣政府是協助調查跟招商所以各有各的責任這樣子\n\n9\n00:02:46,149 --> 00:03:02,119\n是,那院長因為這個開發的總積費是68億元那應該是會由國發會納入工建計畫那是由,大概是由經濟部那個無人機專案辦公室來去處理可是他有這個經驗來去處理這個將近30公頃的園區嗎我是認為我也建議院長齁如果可以的話這樣的相關的開發這個工作還是要交給經濟部產業園區的管理局來處理\n\n10\n00:03:11,005 --> 00:03:36,021\n因為他下面有大概50個產業園區,還有9個科技產業園區,所以比較適合這樣的開發工作。不知道院長現在是不是可以交辦給經濟部,這樣子讓他的整個統整會更快速。好,這一個部分的話我想這一個我們讓中科院跟經濟部我們再來做內部的協商。我請那個副院長來做一下協調。好不好,看怎麼樣。\n\n11\n00:03:36,701 --> 00:03:37,241\n﹚陳冠廷﹚陳冠廷\n\n12\n00:03:56,869 --> 00:03:58,591\n總統府之前在這個有正式的新聞稿都說未來會投入400億,\n\n13\n00:04:21,189 --> 00:04:21,689\n﹚陳冠廷\n\n14\n00:04:48,738 --> 00:05:10,515\n謝謝院長因為我特別要強調一下就是說因為無人機航太原機我們大家基本上把所有的注意力都放在無人機產業但是其實低軌衛星剛才部長也有提到那包含在我們的一些重要的島嶼像太平島等等都有它的應用的地方\n\n15\n00:05:11,215 --> 00:05:11,335\n﹚陳冠廷\n\n16\n00:05:41,455 --> 00:05:44,077\n只要在自然確保無虞的情況下,我們都很願意去跟國際的廠商來合作。\n\n17\n00:06:07,473 --> 00:06:07,613\n謝謝院長謝謝部長\n\n18\n00:06:31,348 --> 00:06:37,177\n那接下來我們要談民雄的鐵路高架化還有他的車站整體的這個規劃跟高架橋下面的利用\n\n19\n00:06:38,397 --> 00:07:02,495\n這部分我們可能要請黃國才部長一起,謝謝。那鐵路高價化這一個部分,其實我們爭取這個高價化是從馬英九前總統時代是否決啦,他到現在經過賴清德、蘇貞昌還有陳建仁院長總算是核定動工,所以還是要代表我們的團隊還有我們嘉義的這些姓名們來表示肯定。\n\n20\n00:07:03,780 --> 00:07:03,820\n兩格一結\n\n21\n00:07:22,223 --> 00:07:43,966\n主要的產權還是在台鐵公司,但是都市要變更,要經過地方政府來協助。據我的了解,這個空間的土地全屬應該是鐵路蓋好之前是鐵道局,鐵路蓋好之後就要移交給台鐵公司。那正常來說這個高架橋下面的空間大概是給台鐵公司去做處理。\n\n22\n00:07:45,047 --> 00:08:08,192\n現在的問題就是說台中有類似這樣的問題是因為我們的這個研究室的研究員特別他是台中人他也提到說過去就是把財產點交給台鐵公司但是財產很難登記過去因為台鐵公司不太願意去處理這個部分所以常常會辦就拒絕辦理登記所以這些空間有些時候會變成說下面的空間有的時候就會荒廢甚至用鐵皮圍起來\n\n23\n00:08:08,712 --> 00:08:08,912\n議員長可不可以\n\n24\n00:08:32,756 --> 00:08:33,076\n的確就是說鐵路的\n\n25\n00:08:51,567 --> 00:08:51,587\n謝謝,謝謝部長。\n\n26\n00:09:18,895 --> 00:09:35,423\n接下來我們來談一下民雄戰前的開發還有他的這個日式宿舍群。院長最近這幾年有沒有去日本考察?最近因為我...比較困難因為身份的關係對不對?可能比較困難因為安全因素還有國際的情勢。那請問\n\n27\n00:09:37,528 --> 00:10:03,397\n議長過去在日本的車站你的印象是什麼我還蠻喜歡日本的我以前在當學者的時候常常去那我覺得他這個有關於車站整體的開發做得相當成功不管是大阪也好或者是京都也好或者是神戶也好都做得是很成功所以他們鐵道公司賺的錢是這一些副業賺的錢反而比這個票價賺得更多\n\n28\n00:10:03,937 --> 00:10:26,720\n沒錯,因為日本的鐵道公司它可以利用他們車站的優勢,那可能會做商場、做飯店或做出租公寓,它變成一個總和營運的公司。所以就如同你剛剛說的,像是九州JR的2022年的總營收是2116億日元,但是非鐵道本業的是70%。所以說這是我們台鐵公司未來可以努力的方向,找出自己的價值。\n\n29\n00:10:27,501 --> 00:10:42,299\n那幫國家賺出更多的價值,這是很重要的。那我們談回這個民雄車站的高價化。在這個高價化核定之後,鐵道局台鐵公司,我想請教一下有沒有跟縣政府來談論整個民雄車站周邊的整體開發計畫。\n\n30\n00:10:45,622 --> 00:11:04,819\n目前有,目前在做個案編,事實上這很重要,在鐵路高架最重要的點就是車站開發,剛才談到日本的例子。目前也是希望在民雄車站包括一些複合商業大樓跟商店等等餐飲,還有一些生活娛樂的空間,目前有這樣的想法。\n\n31\n00:11:05,998 --> 00:11:25,711\n其實整個車站我必須要再強調,因為說如果我們仔細看剛才的這個整個平面圖的話,大家可以知道說在我們未來如果興建站前廣場的話,或者是停等區,可能會遇到一些青年朋友來反映就是說他會不會影響到這個舊的民雄分局的宿舍群。\n\n32\n00:11:26,371 --> 00:11:48,382\n那這個宿舍群是從日治時代延誘到現在所以現在地方上是有聲音說他們擔心會不會因為這個規劃的話會影響到整個宿舍群的部分我想請問部長有沒有聽到類似這樣子的這種我目前沒有聽到但是過去在台北車站的確也有類似比如說宿舍群的保留跟你新開發什麼融合一體\n\n33\n00:11:48,982 --> 00:12:11,117\n我想這部分可以在兩邊再討論一下。謝謝部長,我指出這一點的目的是說除了不是要讓他被影響之外,他在做整體車站規劃的時候,也能夠考量到舊的地景跟舊的文石。保留變成一部分。對,所以變成說在車站的規劃的時候,你在做整體規劃的時候,在做整個景觀營造的時候,可以納入這個景觀。\n\n34\n00:12:12,638 --> 00:12:35,276\n讓他成為一個重要的視覺點。所以我們現在很多車站,包括嘉義市的車站,如果你仔細看嘉義市的車站的話,他現在回復成他最古色古香的狀況。所以他同時能夠維持他過去的古色古香的狀況之外,又能夠把旁邊的這些周遭的景色融在一起。那整個民雄鄉對我們嘉義縣第一大鄉來講,那就是一個很好的示範地區。\n\n35\n00:12:35,776 --> 00:12:35,896\n﹚陳冠廷\n\n36\n00:13:07,895 --> 00:13:28,383\n其實我們嘉義縣山區有兩個主要的省道一個是台18那是到阿里山森林遊樂區那另外一個是台3可以到大埔鄉但是這兩個省道其實它通訊死角是非常多的譬如說中埔到大埔這個路段2023年1月到8月警方的統計死亡次數是超過60件\n\n37\n00:13:30,464 --> 00:13:58,966\n全國到底有類似多少這樣的地方為什麼會特別講到這個地址是因為包含大埔鄉長他帶領我們到整個每一個這個訊號時點的時候他都有強調說這一位鄉親他過去曾在這個地方交通事故那還好第二天下午有人發現所以趕快再送醫所以這樣子已經經過大概7到8個小時甚至10到18個小時所以這個地方的通訊很重要那我們這邊也是肯定任性司所有的任性司都有來去處理這個部分\n\n38\n00:13:59,606 --> 00:13:59,746\n﹚主席\n\n39\n00:14:29,506 --> 00:14:31,387\n梅山市區和太平村各辦一個說明會。整體的交通部關於梅山纜車的可行性評估。\n\n40\n00:14:47,995 --> 00:15:04,997\n不知道是不是可以提早把它做完因為未來還有綜合規劃影響環境影響評估工程設計所以這個部分想要請教一下部長有沒有辦法盡快把它完成現在阿里山分管處就積極在進行做一些前置的座位那前置座位完可以的話就進入可行性然後再往後來走這樣\n\n41\n00:15:05,798 --> 00:15:22,527\n謝謝最後還是要補問一個問題就是關於加一TPES的部分因為其實有很多鄉親特別在包含各個市議員都有來到我們的辦公室來討論到這個部分其實TPES在我們加一是399元但是我們只有大林但到南進等於是只有6個鄉鎮\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n22194\t22474\t陳冠廷\n36749\t54407\t今天是很高興用不同的身份在跟院長來對話那過去是行政院政務部的時候那我們把嘉義的很多問題包含我們講到的公糧問題交通議題等等有跟院長反映那也謝謝院長都能夠花時間去聆聽、去了解然後去做一些改善\n55148\t67506\t特別是今天早上還有今天下午其實我們的吳啟明委員也提到國土計畫的這個部分其實我們都是一樣我們的想法跟回想都是一致的我們希望能夠延緩\n69215\t90496\t今天我們準備了幾個跟交通相關的重大議題,想要跟院長來討論,包含民雄航太園區、民雄鐵路高架化、A3纜車還有緊急的救難的通訊等等問題。首先我必須談一下民雄航太園區,今天吳佩儀委員也談到包含低軌衛星的部分,這次也會在我們航太園區裡面來跟大家談一下。\n91357\t105528\t民雄航太及無人機產業園區,它是現在全世界都在搶著發展的航太產業。那我們嘉義縣公共其盛,那我們現在行政院在民雄規劃了一個民雄航太園區要用來發展航太、軍工、無人機產業。\n106849\t125909\t我想要請教一下民雄航太園區這個園區是以164線然後劃分為東西兩側那東邊是中科院航太及無人機園區西邊是民雄航太及無人機產業園區那東邊的這一個部分目前是沒有什麼開發的問題那去年12月動圖\n126840\t139332\t那未來要興建的是這個嚴肅大樓還有基礎工程大概是2025年底就能夠完工。現在有問題好像是西邊。院長我想請教一下現在到底是誰來負責開發這個園區?是經濟部?是縣府?是國防部?\n147160\t165889\t在這一個部分的話我想各部會都有他執事的該做的這個部分那中科院他是做這一個無人機園區的規劃那經濟部廠發署跟這一個嘉義縣政府是協助調查跟招商所以各有各的責任這樣子\n166149\t182119\t是,那院長因為這個開發的總積費是68億元那應該是會由國發會納入工建計畫那是由,大概是由經濟部那個無人機專案辦公室來去處理可是他有這個經驗來去處理這個將近30公頃的園區嗎我是認為我也建議院長齁如果可以的話這樣的相關的開發這個工作還是要交給經濟部產業園區的管理局來處理\n191005\t216021\t因為他下面有大概50個產業園區,還有9個科技產業園區,所以比較適合這樣的開發工作。不知道院長現在是不是可以交辦給經濟部,這樣子讓他的整個統整會更快速。好,這一個部分的話我想這一個我們讓中科院跟經濟部我們再來做內部的協商。我請那個副院長來做一下協調。好不好,看怎麼樣。\n216701\t217241\t﹚陳冠廷﹚陳冠廷\n236869\t238591\t總統府之前在這個有正式的新聞稿都說未來會投入400億,\n261189\t261689\t﹚陳冠廷\n288738\t310515\t謝謝院長因為我特別要強調一下就是說因為無人機航太原機我們大家基本上把所有的注意力都放在無人機產業但是其實低軌衛星剛才部長也有提到那包含在我們的一些重要的島嶼像太平島等等都有它的應用的地方\n311215\t311335\t﹚陳冠廷\n341455\t344077\t只要在自然確保無虞的情況下,我們都很願意去跟國際的廠商來合作。\n367473\t367613\t謝謝院長 謝謝部長\n391348\t397177\t那接下來我們要談民雄的鐵路高架化還有他的車站整體的這個規劃跟高架橋下面的利用\n398397\t422495\t這部分我們可能要請黃國才部長一起,謝謝。那鐵路高價化這一個部分,其實我們爭取這個高價化是從馬英九前總統時代是否決啦,他到現在經過賴清德、蘇貞昌還有陳建仁院長總算是核定動工,所以還是要代表我們的團隊還有我們嘉義的這些姓名們來表示肯定。\n423780\t423820\t兩格一結\n442223\t463966\t主要的產權還是在台鐵公司,但是都市要變更,要經過地方政府來協助。據我的了解,這個空間的土地全屬應該是鐵路蓋好之前是鐵道局,鐵路蓋好之後就要移交給台鐵公司。那正常來說這個高架橋下面的空間大概是給台鐵公司去做處理。\n465047\t488192\t現在的問題就是說台中有類似這樣的問題是因為我們的這個研究室的研究員特別他是台中人他也提到說過去就是把財產點交給台鐵公司但是財產很難登記過去因為台鐵公司不太願意去處理這個部分所以常常會辦就拒絕辦理登記所以這些空間有些時候會變成說下面的空間有的時候就會荒廢甚至用鐵皮圍起來\n488712\t488912\t議員長可不可以\n512756\t513076\t的確就是說鐵路的\n531567\t531587\t謝謝,謝謝部長。\n558895\t575423\t接下來我們來談一下民雄戰前的開發還有他的這個日式宿舍群。院長最近這幾年有沒有去日本考察?最近因為我...比較困難因為身份的關係對不對?可能比較困難因為安全因素還有國際的情勢。那請問\n577528\t603397\t議長過去在日本的車站你的印象是什麼我還蠻喜歡日本的我以前在當學者的時候常常去那我覺得他這個有關於車站整體的開發做得相當成功不管是大阪也好或者是京都也好或者是神戶也好都做得是很成功所以他們鐵道公司賺的錢是這一些副業賺的錢反而比這個票價賺得更多\n603937\t626720\t沒錯,因為日本的鐵道公司它可以利用他們車站的優勢,那可能會做商場、做飯店或做出租公寓,它變成一個總和營運的公司。所以就如同你剛剛說的,像是九州JR的2022年的總營收是2116億日元,但是非鐵道本業的是70%。所以說這是我們台鐵公司未來可以努力的方向,找出自己的價值。\n627501\t642299\t那幫國家賺出更多的價值,這是很重要的。那我們談回這個民雄車站的高價化。在這個高價化核定之後,鐵道局台鐵公司,我想請教一下有沒有跟縣政府來談論整個民雄車站周邊的整體開發計畫。\n645622\t664819\t目前有,目前在做個案編,事實上這很重要,在鐵路高架最重要的點就是車站開發,剛才談到日本的例子。目前也是希望在民雄車站包括一些複合商業大樓跟商店等等餐飲,還有一些生活娛樂的空間,目前有這樣的想法。\n665998\t685711\t其實整個車站我必須要再強調,因為說如果我們仔細看剛才的這個整個平面圖的話,大家可以知道說在我們未來如果興建站前廣場的話,或者是停等區,可能會遇到一些青年朋友來反映就是說他會不會影響到這個舊的民雄分局的宿舍群。\n686371\t708382\t那這個宿舍群是從日治時代延誘到現在所以現在地方上是有聲音說他們擔心會不會因為這個規劃的話會影響到整個宿舍群的部分我想請問部長有沒有聽到類似這樣子的這種我目前沒有聽到但是過去在台北車站的確也有類似比如說宿舍群的保留跟你新開發什麼融合一體\n708982\t731117\t我想這部分可以在兩邊再討論一下。謝謝部長,我指出這一點的目的是說除了不是要讓他被影響之外,他在做整體車站規劃的時候,也能夠考量到舊的地景跟舊的文石。保留變成一部分。對,所以變成說在車站的規劃的時候,你在做整體規劃的時候,在做整個景觀營造的時候,可以納入這個景觀。\n732638\t755276\t讓他成為一個重要的視覺點。所以我們現在很多車站,包括嘉義市的車站,如果你仔細看嘉義市的車站的話,他現在回復成他最古色古香的狀況。所以他同時能夠維持他過去的古色古香的狀況之外,又能夠把旁邊的這些周遭的景色融在一起。那整個民雄鄉對我們嘉義縣第一大鄉來講,那就是一個很好的示範地區。\n755776\t755896\t﹚陳冠廷\n787895\t808383\t其實我們嘉義縣山區有兩個主要的省道一個是台18那是到阿里山森林遊樂區那另外一個是台3可以到大埔鄉但是這兩個省道其實它通訊死角是非常多的譬如說中埔到大埔這個路段2023年1月到8月警方的統計死亡次數是超過60件\n810464\t838966\t全國到底有類似多少這樣的地方為什麼會特別講到這個地址是因為包含大埔鄉長他帶領我們到整個每一個這個訊號時點的時候他都有強調說這一位鄉親他過去曾在這個地方交通事故那還好第二天下午有人發現所以趕快再送醫所以這樣子已經經過大概7到8個小時甚至10到18個小時所以這個地方的通訊很重要那我們這邊也是肯定任性司所有的任性司都有來去處理這個部分\n839606\t839746\t﹚主席\n869506\t871387\t梅山市區和太平村各辦一個說明會。整體的交通部關於梅山纜車的可行性評估。\n887995\t904997\t不知道是不是可以提早把它做完因為未來還有綜合規劃影響環境影響評估工程設計所以這個部分想要請教一下部長有沒有辦法盡快把它完成現在阿里山分管處就積極在進行做一些前置的座位那前置座位完可以的話就進入可行性然後再往後來走這樣\n905798\t922527\t謝謝最後還是要補問一個問題就是關於加一TPES的部分因為其實有很多鄉親特別在包含各個市議員都有來到我們的辦公室來討論到這個部分其實TPES在我們加一是399元但是我們只有大林但到南進等於是只有6個鄉鎮\n923387\t945401\t謝謝。\n","txt":"陳冠廷\n今天是很高興用不同的身份在跟院長來對話那過去是行政院政務部的時候那我們把嘉義的很多問題包含我們講到的公糧問題交通議題等等有跟院長反映那也謝謝院長都能夠花時間去聆聽、去了解然後去做一些改善\n特別是今天早上還有今天下午其實我們的吳啟明委員也提到國土計畫的這個部分其實我們都是一樣我們的想法跟回想都是一致的我們希望能夠延緩\n今天我們準備了幾個跟交通相關的重大議題,想要跟院長來討論,包含民雄航太園區、民雄鐵路高架化、A3纜車還有緊急的救難的通訊等等問題。首先我必須談一下民雄航太園區,今天吳佩儀委員也談到包含低軌衛星的部分,這次也會在我們航太園區裡面來跟大家談一下。\n民雄航太及無人機產業園區,它是現在全世界都在搶著發展的航太產業。那我們嘉義縣公共其盛,那我們現在行政院在民雄規劃了一個民雄航太園區要用來發展航太、軍工、無人機產業。\n我想要請教一下民雄航太園區這個園區是以164線然後劃分為東西兩側那東邊是中科院航太及無人機園區西邊是民雄航太及無人機產業園區那東邊的這一個部分目前是沒有什麼開發的問題那去年12月動圖\n那未來要興建的是這個嚴肅大樓還有基礎工程大概是2025年底就能夠完工。現在有問題好像是西邊。院長我想請教一下現在到底是誰來負責開發這個園區?是經濟部?是縣府?是國防部?\n在這一個部分的話我想各部會都有他執事的該做的這個部分那中科院他是做這一個無人機園區的規劃那經濟部廠發署跟這一個嘉義縣政府是協助調查跟招商所以各有各的責任這樣子\n是,那院長因為這個開發的總積費是68億元那應該是會由國發會納入工建計畫那是由,大概是由經濟部那個無人機專案辦公室來去處理可是他有這個經驗來去處理這個將近30公頃的園區嗎我是認為我也建議院長齁如果可以的話這樣的相關的開發這個工作還是要交給經濟部產業園區的管理局來處理\n因為他下面有大概50個產業園區,還有9個科技產業園區,所以比較適合這樣的開發工作。不知道院長現在是不是可以交辦給經濟部,這樣子讓他的整個統整會更快速。好,這一個部分的話我想這一個我們讓中科院跟經濟部我們再來做內部的協商。我請那個副院長來做一下協調。好不好,看怎麼樣。\n﹚陳冠廷﹚陳冠廷\n總統府之前在這個有正式的新聞稿都說未來會投入400億,\n﹚陳冠廷\n謝謝院長因為我特別要強調一下就是說因為無人機航太原機我們大家基本上把所有的注意力都放在無人機產業但是其實低軌衛星剛才部長也有提到那包含在我們的一些重要的島嶼像太平島等等都有它的應用的地方\n﹚陳冠廷\n只要在自然確保無虞的情況下,我們都很願意去跟國際的廠商來合作。\n謝謝院長 謝謝部長\n那接下來我們要談民雄的鐵路高架化還有他的車站整體的這個規劃跟高架橋下面的利用\n這部分我們可能要請黃國才部長一起,謝謝。那鐵路高價化這一個部分,其實我們爭取這個高價化是從馬英九前總統時代是否決啦,他到現在經過賴清德、蘇貞昌還有陳建仁院長總算是核定動工,所以還是要代表我們的團隊還有我們嘉義的這些姓名們來表示肯定。\n兩格一結\n主要的產權還是在台鐵公司,但是都市要變更,要經過地方政府來協助。據我的了解,這個空間的土地全屬應該是鐵路蓋好之前是鐵道局,鐵路蓋好之後就要移交給台鐵公司。那正常來說這個高架橋下面的空間大概是給台鐵公司去做處理。\n現在的問題就是說台中有類似這樣的問題是因為我們的這個研究室的研究員特別他是台中人他也提到說過去就是把財產點交給台鐵公司但是財產很難登記過去因為台鐵公司不太願意去處理這個部分所以常常會辦就拒絕辦理登記所以這些空間有些時候會變成說下面的空間有的時候就會荒廢甚至用鐵皮圍起來\n議員長可不可以\n的確就是說鐵路的\n謝謝,謝謝部長。\n接下來我們來談一下民雄戰前的開發還有他的這個日式宿舍群。院長最近這幾年有沒有去日本考察?最近因為我...比較困難因為身份的關係對不對?可能比較困難因為安全因素還有國際的情勢。那請問\n議長過去在日本的車站你的印象是什麼我還蠻喜歡日本的我以前在當學者的時候常常去那我覺得他這個有關於車站整體的開發做得相當成功不管是大阪也好或者是京都也好或者是神戶也好都做得是很成功所以他們鐵道公司賺的錢是這一些副業賺的錢反而比這個票價賺得更多\n沒錯,因為日本的鐵道公司它可以利用他們車站的優勢,那可能會做商場、做飯店或做出租公寓,它變成一個總和營運的公司。所以就如同你剛剛說的,像是九州JR的2022年的總營收是2116億日元,但是非鐵道本業的是70%。所以說這是我們台鐵公司未來可以努力的方向,找出自己的價值。\n那幫國家賺出更多的價值,這是很重要的。那我們談回這個民雄車站的高價化。在這個高價化核定之後,鐵道局台鐵公司,我想請教一下有沒有跟縣政府來談論整個民雄車站周邊的整體開發計畫。\n目前有,目前在做個案編,事實上這很重要,在鐵路高架最重要的點就是車站開發,剛才談到日本的例子。目前也是希望在民雄車站包括一些複合商業大樓跟商店等等餐飲,還有一些生活娛樂的空間,目前有這樣的想法。\n其實整個車站我必須要再強調,因為說如果我們仔細看剛才的這個整個平面圖的話,大家可以知道說在我們未來如果興建站前廣場的話,或者是停等區,可能會遇到一些青年朋友來反映就是說他會不會影響到這個舊的民雄分局的宿舍群。\n那這個宿舍群是從日治時代延誘到現在所以現在地方上是有聲音說他們擔心會不會因為這個規劃的話會影響到整個宿舍群的部分我想請問部長有沒有聽到類似這樣子的這種我目前沒有聽到但是過去在台北車站的確也有類似比如說宿舍群的保留跟你新開發什麼融合一體\n我想這部分可以在兩邊再討論一下。謝謝部長,我指出這一點的目的是說除了不是要讓他被影響之外,他在做整體車站規劃的時候,也能夠考量到舊的地景跟舊的文石。保留變成一部分。對,所以變成說在車站的規劃的時候,你在做整體規劃的時候,在做整個景觀營造的時候,可以納入這個景觀。\n讓他成為一個重要的視覺點。所以我們現在很多車站,包括嘉義市的車站,如果你仔細看嘉義市的車站的話,他現在回復成他最古色古香的狀況。所以他同時能夠維持他過去的古色古香的狀況之外,又能夠把旁邊的這些周遭的景色融在一起。那整個民雄鄉對我們嘉義縣第一大鄉來講,那就是一個很好的示範地區。\n﹚陳冠廷\n其實我們嘉義縣山區有兩個主要的省道一個是台18那是到阿里山森林遊樂區那另外一個是台3可以到大埔鄉但是這兩個省道其實它通訊死角是非常多的譬如說中埔到大埔這個路段2023年1月到8月警方的統計死亡次數是超過60件\n全國到底有類似多少這樣的地方為什麼會特別講到這個地址是因為包含大埔鄉長他帶領我們到整個每一個這個訊號時點的時候他都有強調說這一位鄉親他過去曾在這個地方交通事故那還好第二天下午有人發現所以趕快再送醫所以這樣子已經經過大概7到8個小時甚至10到18個小時所以這個地方的通訊很重要那我們這邊也是肯定任性司所有的任性司都有來去處理這個部分\n﹚主席\n梅山市區和太平村各辦一個說明會。整體的交通部關於梅山纜車的可行性評估。\n不知道是不是可以提早把它做完因為未來還有綜合規劃影響環境影響評估工程設計所以這個部分想要請教一下部長有沒有辦法盡快把它完成現在阿里山分管處就積極在進行做一些前置的座位那前置座位完可以的話就進入可行性然後再往後來走這樣\n謝謝最後還是要補問一個問題就是關於加一TPES的部分因為其實有很多鄉親特別在包含各個市議員都有來到我們的辦公室來討論到這個部分其實TPES在我們加一是399元但是我們只有大林但到南進等於是只有6個鄉鎮\n謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:22.194 --> 00:22.474\n陳冠廷\n\n00:36.749 --> 00:54.407\n今天是很高興用不同的身份在跟院長來對話那過去是行政院政務部的時候那我們把嘉義的很多問題包含我們講到的公糧問題交通議題等等有跟院長反映那也謝謝院長都能夠花時間去聆聽、去了解然後去做一些改善\n\n00:55.148 --> 01:07.506\n特別是今天早上還有今天下午其實我們的吳啟明委員也提到國土計畫的這個部分其實我們都是一樣我們的想法跟回想都是一致的我們希望能夠延緩\n\n01:09.215 --> 01:30.496\n今天我們準備了幾個跟交通相關的重大議題,想要跟院長來討論,包含民雄航太園區、民雄鐵路高架化、A3纜車還有緊急的救難的通訊等等問題。首先我必須談一下民雄航太園區,今天吳佩儀委員也談到包含低軌衛星的部分,這次也會在我們航太園區裡面來跟大家談一下。\n\n01:31.357 --> 01:45.528\n民雄航太及無人機產業園區,它是現在全世界都在搶著發展的航太產業。那我們嘉義縣公共其盛,那我們現在行政院在民雄規劃了一個民雄航太園區要用來發展航太、軍工、無人機產業。\n\n01:46.849 --> 02:05.909\n我想要請教一下民雄航太園區這個園區是以164線然後劃分為東西兩側那東邊是中科院航太及無人機園區西邊是民雄航太及無人機產業園區那東邊的這一個部分目前是沒有什麼開發的問題那去年12月動圖\n\n02:06.840 --> 02:19.332\n那未來要興建的是這個嚴肅大樓還有基礎工程大概是2025年底就能夠完工。現在有問題好像是西邊。院長我想請教一下現在到底是誰來負責開發這個園區?是經濟部?是縣府?是國防部?\n\n02:27.160 --> 02:45.889\n在這一個部分的話我想各部會都有他執事的該做的這個部分那中科院他是做這一個無人機園區的規劃那經濟部廠發署跟這一個嘉義縣政府是協助調查跟招商所以各有各的責任這樣子\n\n02:46.149 --> 03:02.119\n是,那院長因為這個開發的總積費是68億元那應該是會由國發會納入工建計畫那是由,大概是由經濟部那個無人機專案辦公室來去處理可是他有這個經驗來去處理這個將近30公頃的園區嗎我是認為我也建議院長齁如果可以的話這樣的相關的開發這個工作還是要交給經濟部產業園區的管理局來處理\n\n03:11.005 --> 03:36.021\n因為他下面有大概50個產業園區,還有9個科技產業園區,所以比較適合這樣的開發工作。不知道院長現在是不是可以交辦給經濟部,這樣子讓他的整個統整會更快速。好,這一個部分的話我想這一個我們讓中科院跟經濟部我們再來做內部的協商。我請那個副院長來做一下協調。好不好,看怎麼樣。\n\n03:36.701 --> 03:37.241\n﹚陳冠廷﹚陳冠廷\n\n03:56.869 --> 03:58.591\n總統府之前在這個有正式的新聞稿都說未來會投入400億,\n\n04:21.189 --> 04:21.689\n﹚陳冠廷\n\n04:48.738 --> 05:10.515\n謝謝院長因為我特別要強調一下就是說因為無人機航太原機我們大家基本上把所有的注意力都放在無人機產業但是其實低軌衛星剛才部長也有提到那包含在我們的一些重要的島嶼像太平島等等都有它的應用的地方\n\n05:11.215 --> 05:11.335\n﹚陳冠廷\n\n05:41.455 --> 05:44.077\n只要在自然確保無虞的情況下,我們都很願意去跟國際的廠商來合作。\n\n06:07.473 --> 06:07.613\n謝謝院長謝謝部長\n\n06:31.348 --> 06:37.177\n那接下來我們要談民雄的鐵路高架化還有他的車站整體的這個規劃跟高架橋下面的利用\n\n06:38.397 --> 07:02.495\n這部分我們可能要請黃國才部長一起,謝謝。那鐵路高價化這一個部分,其實我們爭取這個高價化是從馬英九前總統時代是否決啦,他到現在經過賴清德、蘇貞昌還有陳建仁院長總算是核定動工,所以還是要代表我們的團隊還有我們嘉義的這些姓名們來表示肯定。\n\n07:03.780 --> 07:03.820\n兩格一結\n\n07:22.223 --> 07:43.966\n主要的產權還是在台鐵公司,但是都市要變更,要經過地方政府來協助。據我的了解,這個空間的土地全屬應該是鐵路蓋好之前是鐵道局,鐵路蓋好之後就要移交給台鐵公司。那正常來說這個高架橋下面的空間大概是給台鐵公司去做處理。\n\n07:45.047 --> 08:08.192\n現在的問題就是說台中有類似這樣的問題是因為我們的這個研究室的研究員特別他是台中人他也提到說過去就是把財產點交給台鐵公司但是財產很難登記過去因為台鐵公司不太願意去處理這個部分所以常常會辦就拒絕辦理登記所以這些空間有些時候會變成說下面的空間有的時候就會荒廢甚至用鐵皮圍起來\n\n08:08.712 --> 08:08.912\n議員長可不可以\n\n08:32.756 --> 08:33.076\n的確就是說鐵路的\n\n08:51.567 --> 08:51.587\n謝謝,謝謝部長。\n\n09:18.895 --> 09:35.423\n接下來我們來談一下民雄戰前的開發還有他的這個日式宿舍群。院長最近這幾年有沒有去日本考察?最近因為我...比較困難因為身份的關係對不對?可能比較困難因為安全因素還有國際的情勢。那請問\n\n09:37.528 --> 10:03.397\n議長過去在日本的車站你的印象是什麼我還蠻喜歡日本的我以前在當學者的時候常常去那我覺得他這個有關於車站整體的開發做得相當成功不管是大阪也好或者是京都也好或者是神戶也好都做得是很成功所以他們鐵道公司賺的錢是這一些副業賺的錢反而比這個票價賺得更多\n\n10:03.937 --> 10:26.720\n沒錯,因為日本的鐵道公司它可以利用他們車站的優勢,那可能會做商場、做飯店或做出租公寓,它變成一個總和營運的公司。所以就如同你剛剛說的,像是九州JR的2022年的總營收是2116億日元,但是非鐵道本業的是70%。所以說這是我們台鐵公司未來可以努力的方向,找出自己的價值。\n\n10:27.501 --> 10:42.299\n那幫國家賺出更多的價值,這是很重要的。那我們談回這個民雄車站的高價化。在這個高價化核定之後,鐵道局台鐵公司,我想請教一下有沒有跟縣政府來談論整個民雄車站周邊的整體開發計畫。\n\n10:45.622 --> 11:04.819\n目前有,目前在做個案編,事實上這很重要,在鐵路高架最重要的點就是車站開發,剛才談到日本的例子。目前也是希望在民雄車站包括一些複合商業大樓跟商店等等餐飲,還有一些生活娛樂的空間,目前有這樣的想法。\n\n11:05.998 --> 11:25.711\n其實整個車站我必須要再強調,因為說如果我們仔細看剛才的這個整個平面圖的話,大家可以知道說在我們未來如果興建站前廣場的話,或者是停等區,可能會遇到一些青年朋友來反映就是說他會不會影響到這個舊的民雄分局的宿舍群。\n\n11:26.371 --> 11:48.382\n那這個宿舍群是從日治時代延誘到現在所以現在地方上是有聲音說他們擔心會不會因為這個規劃的話會影響到整個宿舍群的部分我想請問部長有沒有聽到類似這樣子的這種我目前沒有聽到但是過去在台北車站的確也有類似比如說宿舍群的保留跟你新開發什麼融合一體\n\n11:48.982 --> 12:11.117\n我想這部分可以在兩邊再討論一下。謝謝部長,我指出這一點的目的是說除了不是要讓他被影響之外,他在做整體車站規劃的時候,也能夠考量到舊的地景跟舊的文石。保留變成一部分。對,所以變成說在車站的規劃的時候,你在做整體規劃的時候,在做整個景觀營造的時候,可以納入這個景觀。\n\n12:12.638 --> 12:35.276\n讓他成為一個重要的視覺點。所以我們現在很多車站,包括嘉義市的車站,如果你仔細看嘉義市的車站的話,他現在回復成他最古色古香的狀況。所以他同時能夠維持他過去的古色古香的狀況之外,又能夠把旁邊的這些周遭的景色融在一起。那整個民雄鄉對我們嘉義縣第一大鄉來講,那就是一個很好的示範地區。\n\n12:35.776 --> 12:35.896\n﹚陳冠廷\n\n13:07.895 --> 13:28.383\n其實我們嘉義縣山區有兩個主要的省道一個是台18那是到阿里山森林遊樂區那另外一個是台3可以到大埔鄉但是這兩個省道其實它通訊死角是非常多的譬如說中埔到大埔這個路段2023年1月到8月警方的統計死亡次數是超過60件\n\n13:30.464 --> 13:58.966\n全國到底有類似多少這樣的地方為什麼會特別講到這個地址是因為包含大埔鄉長他帶領我們到整個每一個這個訊號時點的時候他都有強調說這一位鄉親他過去曾在這個地方交通事故那還好第二天下午有人發現所以趕快再送醫所以這樣子已經經過大概7到8個小時甚至10到18個小時所以這個地方的通訊很重要那我們這邊也是肯定任性司所有的任性司都有來去處理這個部分\n\n13:59.606 --> 13:59.746\n﹚主席\n\n14:29.506 --> 14:31.387\n梅山市區和太平村各辦一個說明會。整體的交通部關於梅山纜車的可行性評估。\n\n14:47.995 --> 15:04.997\n不知道是不是可以提早把它做完因為未來還有綜合規劃影響環境影響評估工程設計所以這個部分想要請教一下部長有沒有辦法盡快把它完成現在阿里山分管處就積極在進行做一些前置的座位那前置座位完可以的話就進入可行性然後再往後來走這樣\n\n15:05.798 --> 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