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00:01:31,939\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金\n\n5\n00:01:38,044 --> 00:02:01,018\n前任2016年之前還要低現在才兩塊多而已現在成本都要三塊多但是民生用電才兩塊多所以是有達到照顧民生那這一次來講的話主要長的的確是出口型現在業績很好外銷的這些產業那外銷的產業來講它的價格會反映在出口上面比較不會反映在國內\n\n6\n00:02:02,039 --> 00:02:07,540\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算\n\n7\n00:02:29,383 --> 00:02:32,504\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n8\n00:02:51,730 --> 00:02:55,292\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n9\n00:03:12,822 --> 00:03:14,383\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n10\n00:03:29,514 --> 00:03:31,195\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n11\n00:03:52,483 --> 00:03:59,209\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n12\n00:04:20,441 --> 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