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00:01:37,623\n所以520前部長也曾經承諾520前在這段漲價的風波裡面520前我們的公路客運我們的台鐵我們的高鐵不會漲價嗎?國道客運齁他比較我們會用補貼的方式來協助他因為國道客運現在經營困境像基隆的桃園都有他的困境了我了解他們有經營困境這不是經營來發生的長期都發生這些事情了是我跟黃委員報告我透過補貼給他雖然調但是民眾感受不會那麼多\n\n5\n00:01:38,769 --> 00:01:57,154\n所以520前剛剛提到了不管高鐵台鐵跟公路客運國道客運都不會再漲價我要確定這些事情那個國道客運因為他們有急迫性我是覺得會讓他那你這樣子院長的承諾我就跳票了但是我會用補貼的方式但是雙鐵的部分是下半人在討論下半人在討論\n\n6\n00:01:57,930 --> 00:02:21,668\n好因為我想現在距離520其實也不到兩個月啊那當然這個院長的承諾現任院長的承諾我想現在的這個行政團隊應該要去遵行才對要不然接下來這兩個月陳建仁說的話到底還算不算數好我想這個是責任政治的問題啦如果你要漲價或你有什麼問題你有什麼自然難行的東西是不是等新的這個隔壁\n\n7\n00:02:22,248 --> 00:02:39,880\n新的這個行政團隊組成後再去執行要不然你看520之後有新的院長新的團隊那我想問一下我們在質詢我們在負責我要找誰負責因為到時候有可能做決策的人都不在了所以這個是我本席的要求520前這些\n\n8\n00:02:40,600 --> 00:03:05,968\n這也是院長的承諾嘛這不是我今天提出來的啊3月8號他的承諾說這個除了電費之外其他東西不會再漲價那當然這個是院長承諾也希望說部長你要去遵守這個行政倫理啊部長可以嗎是國道科研我現在的處理方式是這樣因為短途的部分有TPAS嘛台中都有TPAS這個所以他不會影響到那中長途的部分我們用部分補貼的方式\n\n9\n00:03:06,388 --> 00:03:26,226\n那他實施會不會在520之後因為我們現在這個我們交通會議委員會現在還沒有審也有可能是520之後好部長謝謝那接下來我們要討論到今天這所謂的這個條例的問題來我先請教一下部長你認識台上的人吧\n\n10\n00:03:28,176 --> 00:03:51,696\n這個畫面上台上這個這個人都認識嗎這個賴清德當年當初在競選的時候承諾兩人當選共同推動花東快速道路兩人當選那現在只有一人當選所以就不承諾了嗎這個包括賴副總統或是蕭副總統包括我我剛才談到的就是說基本上這個花東快速道路大家都都支持\n\n11\n00:03:52,897 --> 00:04:07,089\n當然我從一個這個我們專案裡面當然要透過一些評估啦所以我是講不反對事實上我是覺得這個是對花東一個正義但是我需所有人都支持現在我們也在做了在做可行性\n\n12\n00:04:08,210 --> 00:04:26,886\n今天要審這個相關條例我覺得就沒有什麼爭議了嘛部長部長為什麼今天要特別把這個拿出來講因為選舉的時候大家都很會開支票選舉的時候也沒有人講說這一句話當初在承諾說並沒有講說我們還要等交通部來評估評估完之後我們再決定要不要來推動\n\n13\n00:04:27,566 --> 00:04:28,747\n他們兩個表達他的態度啦但是所有的計畫我們還是從專業上必須走過這個程序是大概這樣\n\n14\n00:04:52,122 --> 00:05:07,246\n部長你剛剛提到說這個報告裡面也提到其實今天我們提了這東西他到底是來我先問你這件事情這個是預算案還是法律案這個是法律案這是法律案嘛那你們的處理意見報告裡面卻講說\n\n15\n00:05:11,516 --> 00:05:32,069\n你用一憲法第70條立法院對行政所提預算案你剛剛說這叫法律案但是你給這個立法院的報告裡面認為這叫預算案所以本質上部長你們在認知上就出現一個問題了今天這提的是法律案不是預算案再來如果你要依據憲法要談憲法大家來談憲法\n\n16\n00:05:34,168 --> 00:06:03,368\n憲法正確條文第3條如果行政院行政部門對立法院所提的法律案預算案你覺得自愛難行自愛難行出現在你們報告最後一頁倒數第三句你覺得自愛難行之處你要做什麼事情你不是現在去泛話說什麼立法院違憲你不該做這種事情那個柯建民的憲法世界跟我不太一樣他的世界裡面吸毒是無罪的但是我們是有罪的\n\n17\n00:06:04,889 --> 00:06:12,759\n所以我想部長你不能受科技名影響啊如果你覺得有治安難聽之訴你應該依據憲法徵修條文的第三條去提復議案\n\n18\n00:06:14,231 --> 00:06:40,524\n這是你的法定程序啊如果你真的覺得治安難行那我也尊重你行政部門嘛但是你要先尊重立法部門啊今天我們提的是法律案認為花東地區有這一條快速道路興建的必要性提了這個條例所以提了這個法律案時間也不夠了沒關係我先講完齁所以如果部長我要說如果你覺得治安難行你可以最後去提復議案這是憲法復印的權利我也不能阻止你\n\n19\n00:06:42,061 --> 00:07:03,828\n可是你不是現在就說啊你們這些人不懂法律不懂憲法我沒有人不懂法律不懂憲法如果不懂憲法不懂法律我們也不會選上啦也不會提這樣子的關係文書所以我今天希望說大家談憲法那就大家依照憲法的這個步驟來做我們今天提了相關的法案你不同意你不滿意你覺得這個東西你行這部門自然難行那你後面就提復議案就好啦\n\n20\n00:07:04,188 --> 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